Rogan Should be Severely Chastised
by toxic on Oct 26, 2009 10:45 AM EDT
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On Saturday Joe Rogan engaged in the most partisan display of commentating I have ever seen in this sport. His one sided commentary during Saturday's fight between Machida and Rua was not only ridiculously lopsided and unfair to Machida, it also did serious damage to the UFC.
The influence a commentator has is immense; his statements impact how everyone listening to him views the fight. It greatly impacts how the casual viewer sees the fight, as he believes the commentator is supposed to be an unbiased expert. When commentator's like Rogan and Mir take grossly partisan positions during their commentary, it is unfair to the other fighter. It negatively impacts his image with the public and hurts his earning potential.
In the case of Machida v. Rua, it not only unfairly undermined Machida's reputation, it undermined the legitimacy of the title itself. Rogan no doubt convinced many people that Rua not only won the fight, but dominated it. Those people now think that the LHW title is being held illegitimately. This undermines not just Machida and the LHW division, it undermines all other champions by implication. It undermines the UFC itself. Rogan should be severely chastised for helping to damage the reigning champion just because he is a Rua nuthugger.
The UFC has commentators in both the UFC and WEC that from time to time simply throw their objectivity out the window and start rooting for their favorite. Not only is this annoying for the fans who can see this partisanship, but when the judges contradict the commentator, it undermines titles, champions, organizations, and the sport itself. It also destroys any pretension to objectivity that sports commentators are supposed to have. If Rogan can't contain his personal feelings about fighters, he shouldn't be commentating.
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Well then Dana White should be “chastised” as well because he ripped the judges, said he thought Shogun won, and made an immediate rematch. _
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine. You can think that Shogun won. Fine. That’s not the point though—- Rogan went beyond the pale here. Machida lands a flurry, and Rogan is screaming about the counters. Machida lands a leg kick, he says nothing. Rua lands the same kick, its great.
The commentary was too far, and it hurt the UFC. You can have whatever opinion about who should have won you want, that doesn’t change the fact that Rogan was blindly partisan.
by toxic on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the commentary was pretty one-sided as well, but it’s ridiculous to call Rogan a Shogun nuthugger. This was the same guy worshipping at Lyoto’s feet along with myself and a lot of others. I think it was his surprise at how well Shogun was handling Machida that came across in his commentating.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 26, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that has lead to this situation is Lyoto being a victim of his own hype. Anything less than complete and utter domination is seen as a failure.
by brad23 on Oct 26, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I agree with you. Even Anderson has lost and come back better and better from it. Hopefully Machida will as well. He has to know the fight wasn’t much of a victory, and he, his brothers and his father, don’t really seem like the type to kid themselves. I’m so fired up for this rematch. I know a lot of people seem to hate rematches, but if a fight was fairly even, and the fighters are a pair of technical geniuses like Shogun and Lyoto, then I’m really curious to see what adjustments they make on each other…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 27, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why the commentator has to be neutral. Especially if we knew ahead of time that he is biased.
by Ahhhoki on Oct 26, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the reasons I set out above; it’s unfair the unpopular fighter as it hurts them career wise to have Rogan dogging them on ppv. When the judges don’t agree with the nut hugging, it calls the decision in more question than it should be. In this case, it damages the title, the title holder, and the organization itself.
It’s very bad all around.
by toxic on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree, but...
Machida has tons of fans. He’s not some up-and-comer that is struggling to make it. But to me, this just seems like an attempt at discrediting Shogun’s pseudo-victory. I love Lyoto too, but he didn’t win. After watching the fight a third time, Rogan didn’t even seem that partisan. He extolled Shogun’s kicks more often than not, sure, but those are the more-easily-viewed blows. But I would say that Rogan noted like 6 or 7 of Lyoto’s power shots, of which there couldn’t have been more than 10.
by Ahhhoki on Oct 26, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what fight you watched…but looked like Shogun should have the title to me….which would make Rogan right.
by Mirjitsu on Oct 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you heard Rogan call Shogun’s strikes more because Shogun threw and landed more.
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by MicahW on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly! That was the bulk of the fight..Shogun striking with leg kicks. What is Rogan going to do, ignore it?
by oasis77 on Oct 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that I find ironic is that there was controversy over Forrest beating the champ (Rampage) with a similar strategy of leg kicks. Now there is controversy over Shogun not beating the champ with a strategy heavy on leg-kicks.
by brad23 on Oct 26, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what post you read, but I’m not arguing about who should have won.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO WON THE FIGHT!
It’s about Rogan swinging from Rua’s nuts from the first second of the fight to the last. Just not about who should have won.
by toxic on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the damage Rogan did by being so partisan.
by toxic on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have watched and rewatched the fight. if what you’re asking for is someone to call the fight 50/50 then they would have had to be silent for the majority of the fight. shogun threw and landed far more shots which rogan would have had to remain silent so he could only evenly call it. thats an impossible request.
“welcome to the machida era”… rogan was the man who helped build the facade of machida as an unbeatable man, he was watching shogun tear down that same facade brick by brick, round by round.
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by MicahW on Oct 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rogan was in shock that someone was able to hit Machida, but through much of the fight, Rogan only called Rua’s strikes on the exchange even when they were not clean or they didn’t land at all. In the same exchanges Machida landed and I heard nothing about his strikes.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swinging from Rua's nuts?
Dude, if you’ve ever seen any other Machida fight, it’s obvious that he’s a huge Lyoto fan. He always talked about how intelligent his fighting approach is of taking as little damage as possible while maximizing the amount his opponent takes. And if you actually listen, the commentary is very neutral at the beginning.
This whole ‘watch the fight without the sound’ bullshit needs to stop, it’s obvious that Shogun displayed better cage generalship, effective aggression, effective grappling (the takedown attempts he used to keep Lyoto honest), and mainly- effective striking.
Look at Fightmetric, compubox, anything- it shows that Rua comprehensively, round by round outlanded and outstruck Machida. He landed nearly twice as many total strikes. He landed over twice as many power shots. The only area where he even lost was shots to the body, and anyone who watched the fight recognized that Mauricio marked up Lyoto’s left ribs.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, I think you are way off base here.
First, you need to recognize Rogan’s unique position. He isn’t some professional, career, trained sportscaster. He is first and foremost, a fan. Then an entertainer, commentator and practitioner. If this was some CBS NFL broadcaster I would agree, and that does, in fact, happen at times in sports. But, he isn’t. he is different than about any other broadcaster out there, in position, expectation and experience.
Second, it wasn’t him swinging from Rua’s nuts, as you so eloquently stated, but rather a deep appreciation for the technique and patience displayed in the fight. Rua took on, perhaps, the most difficult match up in the UFC and picked him apart. Rogan recognizes how amazing Machida is and what a feat Rua accomplished on Saturday.
Third, Rogan is swinging no more from Rua’s nuts than Machida’s. He just appreciates when he sees something outstanding and gets excited about it.
Fourth, he did NO damage to the UFC and that thought is almost laughable.
I’m sorry, but you are making something where there is nothing. Just appreciate what we witnessed on Saturday and go on about your life. If your opinion is so swayed by an announcer, just turn the sound off.
by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd
Well said as always BJJ. And welcome back.
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by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely,
great points BJJ.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 26, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with you saying Rogan isn’t a pro. He is gainfully employed as a commentator and has been for years. That by definition is being a pro.
I agree on all other points, but still think Rogan was bias and ignored all of Machida’s offense. Machida’s offense was, over all, less effective then Shogun’s, but I would have hoped for a more down the middle color guy.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought about putting a disclaimer in about him being pro in the fact that he is compensated for his work, but I wanted it to read as he isn’t a pro in the vein of a Al Michaels, etc…
by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he does color, so its more valid to compare him to John Madden, but goldie is no Al Michaels either.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course...
toxic does not respond ’cause he just got P@WNED by BJJDenver. A very nice Wake-up call there, BJ. Good Job.
I mean after what you said, what can toxic or anyone else say in rebuttal?
by BNTHIS on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you read because I did disagree with him.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a professional commentator. He’s been doing this for years in the premier sports organizations in the world. It’s a broadcast that people pat 45-55 bucks to see live.
Rogan wasn’t just prasing Rua, he was utterly silent at times when he should have been praising Machida—- i.e. when he was kneeing Rua in the face in round one. And there were numerous instances where he praised Rua for exchanges he lost.
He was on for Rua from the first moment. I know he has been a fan of Machida as well.
And I think he did. The controversy about the decision is partially due to his extravagant praise (giving rounds to Rua that not a single judge gave him), and making it seem much more onesided than it was. Every “bad” decision hurts the sport—- hence the accusations that it was turning into boxing. It raises questions about the legitimacy of a sport some people still think is worked. And he helped cause people to think that Machida is an illegitimate title holder.
Grossly biased commentating is hurtful in general.
by toxic on Oct 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan, I am happy for you and your boy Shogun and I’ma let you finish, but Miguel Torres is the best fighter of all time!
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by iiowyn on Oct 26, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
That’s the other one that really stands out when I think of “really biased color commentary.”
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by Brett Jones on Oct 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan though Shogun won and so did I, but the part I was upset about was he was giving close rounds to Shogun without stating how close they were and ONLY calling Shogun strikes on each exchange. The later being bad. Machida checking a kick and landed a clean jab and you hear nothing of the jab. Now a checked kick scores, but not as big as a clean jab to the face. After round 4, I had it even 2-2 on my scorecard and I was pissed at Rogan for not calling it closer. Shogun, imo, edged Machida out, but they gave the him rounds and exchanges that were razor thin and called them like they were 10-8 domination’s by Rua. I think Rogan was just shocked that someone was hitting Machida, but it was unprofessional. My immediate reaction after the fight was “screw job”, but after that it was “Anyone who watched this fight with the sound on has no business presenting there score card”. And I thought Rua won, but the announcing was awful.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just wanna know how Rogan gets away with telling the TV viewers watching the prelims on Spike to “Order it bitches don’t be cheap!”
I mean, seriously? O_o
SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s spike. That’s probably the least offensive thing on that channel all day.
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by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah lol
You ever watch Manswers?
“How big do boobs have to be in order to crush a beer can? FIND OUT NEXT ON MANSWERS!!!!!!”
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 26, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
lol
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by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or when he called the people in the crowd douchbags.
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Oct 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk why Rogan was so biased
I mean look at these “counters” that shogun was eating every time he leg kicked.
http://www.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop.php?image=http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/images/pictures/20091026120308IMG_9978.JPG&width_size=600
http://www.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop.php?image=http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/images/pictures/20091026120110IMG_0051.JPG&width_size=600
http://www.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop.php?image=http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/images/pictures/20091026120308IMG_9921.JPG&width_size=600
http://www.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop.php?image=http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/images/pictures/20091026120308IMG_9978.JPG&width_size=600
how could you not give machida credit for such clean, flush counters?
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Try again. you can’t put a link in the subject of a comment.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gah screw it
wasn’t putting it in the title strangely :S just go to the sherdog photo gallery, there aren’t many of machida’s flush counters to be found, but plenty shogun kicks.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Posting on this site definitely takes some getting used to :)
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by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the point you are making, and you are correct, but sometimes you have to take damage to inflict it. i thin we saw by the end of the fight that it was heavily paying off in Shogun’s favor.
by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true. It was basically a perfect fight for Shogun. Lots of leg kicks and win the fight in the later round, perfect. Shogun doing enough to win, especially in the later rounds, then the fight being given to Machida makes this case against Rogan harder to make.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be chastized? Only a Machida nuthugger would claim so.
The Machida fanboys who claimed that Shogun would get “clowned” and “humiliated” in the standup game should apologize to everyone else.
Shogun landed more strikes, more damaging strikes, and won the fight clearly. Check Fightmetric, any website that did scoring of the fight, or any pro fighter’s take on the fight.
So much for the Machida era.
by Hardcharger on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh don't lump us all together
I was (and in some ways still am) a Lyoto nuthugger, and I laughed at Shoguns claims that his aggression would win the day. Also, I was among the first people to come on and post that the decision was pure theft.
Not all Lyoto fans are so stubborn :)
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by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I love Machida as well for how dominant he has been. But I could not believe (and apparently neither could Lyoto) that he got the nod in that decision, much less a unaminous one.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone like yourself who is actually objective as a fan of Machida is certainly not included. It’s no crime to be a fan of Machida. He’s great. But some make him into some superhuman, which obviously isn’t the case.
by Hardcharger on Oct 26, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was the voice of the vast majority of fans who saw it that way. Listen, there’s all sorts of times where I think Rogan is wrong—Rampage/Forrest for instance. But he’s a great announcer and part of what makes him great is he calls the fight as he sees it. None of the 15,000+ in arena who turned on Machida and booed the hell out of the decision heard Joe Rogan.
Also, this post is naive, the controversy will benefit the UFC immensely. The rematch will do far better business, people no longer believe Machida’s invincible, and Shogun has the chance to become a big star.
by Michael Rome on Oct 26, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My point is that yes Shogun won, but Rogan was only calling the largely even exchanges early in the fight for Rua when in some cases Machida was the only one landing clean. I was pissed off during the fight that he was so bias or shock someone was getting to Machida. But like I said I though Rua won anyway, but it was much closer round by round and exchange by exchange the Rogan let on. While I don’t agree with every point to the post in question, this is something I thought and voiced during the fight.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious
“largely even exchanges”
What did Shoguns face look like after the fight?
What did Lyotos ribs look like?
Jab < body kick
Jab < leg kick
This isn’t directed at you specifically, but because I keep hearing about Lyotos ‘punches’ being equal to the kicks he was receiving, and I really disagree with that.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they were not equal, but they were not mentioned. A blind man would have scored it 10-8 when some reasonable people scored the round the other way or 10-10. Damage is hard to gauge and Rua did win in my book, but he didn’t win every exchange. and Machida blocked a good number of strikes while countering. Yet the counters and the blocks were never called. Thats my issue.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LEG KICKS
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by AboveThisFire on Oct 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A large part of Rogan’s charm, and success, is that he says what he thinks. He often disagrees with referees, judges, fighters, corners, etc etc.. He says what he wants to say, and is far from the corporate shill that many other commentators are.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The saddest thing in the world is seeing people in the comments on this site using moronic and utterly meaningless terms like “nuthugger” and “fanboy”.
It’s your community, folks. If you want to poison the well, I can’t stop you.
by Luke Thomas on Oct 26, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“The saddest thing in the world”? I was gonna post a pic of a starving ethiopian child or a person battling terminal cancer but I think you get the point.
by ufc4 on Oct 27, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone point out
that Rogan is really just a scape goat. what does it really matter how Rogan feels, anyone who’s opinion holds any merit watched and rewatched the fight without sound , and most still think shogun won. I don’t think Joe Rogan was affected by his own commentating, and hes a Machida fan. I also highly doubt that his commentary swayed all 20 mma writers to pick shogun. whether or not Rogan was too vocal about his opinion is so far beyond the point, and to say he should be severely chastised over it is going way too far at best, and at worst a sad attempt to take the focus away from the bad call the judges made.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sports commentators do this all the time. Have you ever watched a football game this year when Brett Favre is playing?
I agree with you that there are times Rogan’s commentary is slanted, but he’s been doing that for a long time. It was a really close fight. People are going to disagree.
by Andy R on Oct 26, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
off topic but hilarious
stolen from mmamania
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
if ya noticed Rogans commentary might have been a bit bias cause every1 else who spoke praised machida till his nuts were glowing as much as mike goldbergs smile
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 26, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goldy was acting like a tool the whole time.
“I’m sitting with Joe Rogan, I’m having fun, blah blah blah”
I think even Rogan was rolling his eyes.
SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you are a good spectator. What flurries did Machida land? The few flurries he went for he landed very few solid shots, while Shogun countered effectively and landed more shots than him in those exchanges. I mean just check fightmetric, Shogun landed literally twice as many blows as Machida. Don’t you think the commentator is going to comment on the fighter landing more?
by HighNoon on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The entire audience boo’ed and none of them heard Rogan’s commentary, I’d have to say it had little effect on my watching experience or how I judged the rounds, that being said I could easily see how someone could judge them for Machida, albeit they would be wrong in my opinion.
Rogan should never be chastised for calling fights how he sees them, I highly doubt he has a Shogun bias given his first class ticket on Machida’s nuts he has had for a long time.
All in all, if he had a competent broadcasting partner instead of someone who read advertisements in between blows and made aloof comments that had little bearing on reality, then perhaps they could both be involved in calling the fight and then it would not all be on Rogan’s shoulders.
by DirtyML on Oct 26, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So the crowd bood at Machida because Rogan was biased ?
Pathetic article toxic.
Hey toxic, Joe Rogan has few words for you :
“joerogandotnet: @roshisbest an excellent example of why most MMA “journalism” is a joke. Pseudonyms like “toxic” and shitty writing like that dopey article"
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by bawzz on Oct 26, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hah, did I really get called out by Joe Rogan?
OMG. Nice.
I wouldn’t call this journalism, it’s a fanpost. But anyway, the crowd can do what it wants. I’m not saying that no one should think Rua won. A very good case for that can be made. But Rogan is a representative of the UFC, and he shouldn’t be calling the fight like he’s in one guys corner and not the other.
You guys are trying to make this a referendum on whether Rua won; but can you honestly say that a commentator who is silent when Machida is kneeing Rua in the face while praising Rua for leg kicks, is really unbiased?
by toxic on Oct 27, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are trying to make this a referendum on whether Rua won; but can you honestly say that a commentator who is silent when Machida is kneeing Rua in the face while praising Rua for leg kicks, is really unbiased?
Who said Rogan is supposed to be unbiased? That would be ideal but this is the real world, there is no such thing as unbiased journalism.
by ufc4 on Oct 27, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should strive for it.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 27, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Natasha Wicks should give me a blow j.
by ufc4 on Oct 27, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is with MMA fans’ weird obsession with bringing nutsacks into every discussion where people enjoy a fighter? Beyond disturbing.
by Michael Rome on Oct 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not just MMA fans. According to the news, there’s a whole lot of teabaggers out there.
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by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have one counter
Rogan was probably just seeing it the same way everyone else in the crowd was. The crowd can’t hear the commentators (I think), yet they clearly thought Rua won the fight as well. That means that damn near every person in the audience independently reached the same conclusions as Rogan. This INCLUDES every fighter at the post-fight press conference. Yes, every fighter, even Machida wouldn’t come out and say that he thought he won the fight.
It seems like the entire audience, save three people, thought Rua won the fight. Rogan was just calling it as he saw it.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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