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The Week in Quotes: October 18th - 24th

PLEASE! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HAPPY OCCASION. LET'S NOT BICKER AND ARGUE ABOUT WHO KILLED WHO.

"Anybody can be beat, but that's what motivates me to keep going out there, training hard, staying focused, and my goal is that every time I have the opportunity to present myself in the Octagon." - "Former" UFC light heavyweight champion Lyoto Machida, who outpointed Mauricio "Shogun" Rua 48-47 in route to a decision victory at UFC 104.  Whiny internet nerds proceeded to grab their pitchforks. (MMA Weekly)

"I think there will be a rematch in that fight." - UFC President Dana White (MMA Weekly)

"Of course I'm thinking about a rematch ever since the fight, and if that's Dana's wish and Lyoto's wish, I'll fight him anywhere, anytime, wherever." - Rua

"Of course if the UFC decides we should have a rematch then let's have a rematch." - Machida.  I'm eagerly awaiting the classic Dana swerve where Machida goes on to coach TUF opposite Randy Couture.

Star-divide

A WISE CHOICE, MONSIEUR! AND NOW, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT SERVED?  ALL, UH, MIXED UP TOGETHER IN A BUCKET?

"When you get injured, you don't do much. You sit around and eat and get fat. That's exactly what I did." - Anthony "Rumble" Johnson, who came in a whopping six pounds over the welterweight limit for his fight against Yoshiyuki Yoshida at UFC 104. (Heavy.com)

"Well, I was working with this trainer, a friend of my agent. He wanted me to try barely eating anything but getting a lot of fluids in me." - Johnson

"The trainer told me, 'Drink a lot of water and don't eat too much.' So I did that, and then on Thursday I did a three hour workout and dropped from 198 to 183. I was 192 and I drank all of this water that he wanted me to drink and got back up to 198." - Johnson.  Two steps forward, two steps back?

"Doing his thing, it was cool but I think the process got started too late. If I'd done things the way I always did, I would have been fine, but trying this new method, this new way of doing things, really jacked my body up." - Johnson, nothing like trying a new weight cutting technique for the first time when you're already having issues keeping your weight down.

HAGGLE PROPERLY, THIS ISN'T WORTH NINETEEN

"The money that [Henderson] is asking for would make him by far the highest-paid guy in the UFC." - UFC President Dana White, on contract negotiations with Dan Henderson. Talks have been proceeding at the same rate as Henderson's verbiage. (MMA Junkie)

"Contracts are confidential, so that statement’s impossible to prove or disprove." - Aaron Crecy, Henderson's manager.  Loose lips sink ships, as they say. (Sherdog)

"However, we have done our due diligence. We certainly don’t believe that to be the case. Dan understands and we have a certain belief on where he stands in the hierarchy." - Crecy

"Certainly there are champions and former UFC champions that deserve to be paid more than Dan." - Crecy.  Like, all of them.

"If they can afford to sign Dan Henderson and I couldn't, what's that tell you?" - White, on Henderson potentially signing with Strikeforce.  I think it tells you that Dan might be more valuable to another company desperately seeking name talent. (Cage Writer)

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

"It was hard to grapple with Ken Shamrock because he used steroids. It was especially noticeable when he couldn't make it through 12 minutes on a practice, but before the fight with me he became much stronger and at the bout made it for 30 minutes." - MMA legend Oleg TaktarovKen Shamrock's just a special kind of athlete. (Valetudo.ru)

"Over all steroids are dangerous because of slump after the end of the cycle. Coleman was on the slump when was KO'd by Pat Williams. I had the similar story with Gary Goodridge. I fought him when he was pumped by steroids and after that, he was losing to everyone." - Taktarov.  I am shocked (SHOCKED!) to see these allegations.

"Great example of the athlete who never used steroids is Nogueira and Rickson and Royce Gracie." - Taktarov, two out of three ain't bad.

LEMON CURRY?

"Up until 10 years old, that's when you can instill discipline." - Lyoto Machida's father Yoshizo Machida, picking up his child raising from Joe Jackson. (MMA Weekly)

"I did everything I could the first 10 years, and then they're on their own." - Machida.  Most parents send their kids away at 18.  Not Yoshizo.  Get a job, sir.

"Every day I was telling them what they can and can't do." - Machida, who had his kids beer bonging their piss in the morning.

WHITE NOISE

"I've given away 3300 tickets for UFC 104; we're always looking at the ticket situation and how to make it easier for the fans." - UFC President Dana White.  They also had trouble selling out the building.  (Cage Writer)

"He kept [expletive] pushing and pushing. He said, ‘OK, hypothetically speaking, would you ever sell a piece of it?’ I said, ‘I guess we’d sell a tiny little piece. We’d probably sell a tiny little piece.’ But, here’s the thing: I want it to be known that this guy kept pushing me and pushing me." - White, quelling reports that Zuffa was looking for a minority partner.  They're not.  (Yahoo)

PARTING SHOTS

"I personally wouldn’t like to fight him, because if I fight a high-calibre fighter like Dan Henderson or a bum I would get paid the same, so there isn’t any motivation to fight a better fighter – although for the right money I would fight even Godzilla." - Strikeforce light heavyweight champ Gegard Mousasi.  Please don't give Dream any ideas. (Fighters Only)

"[I plan on] controlling him on the feet, making openings, taking him down. Just beating him up real bad, and picking my shots and really exploding on him; Letting him know that there is nothing that he can do to me." - Cain Velasquez, who beat up Ben Rothwell real bad. (Pro MMA Radio)

"Because of a little injury, my rib cracked when I was going to stand up and I came back. My mistake was to fight, but he did his work and I congratulate him." - Wagnney Fabiano, on getting caught in a triangle to Mackers Semerzier at WEC 43.  Prepared for all the asshats to come out of the woodwork and rag on Fabiano for discussing the injury. (Tatame)

"I needed some time off. "Dancing" actually gave me something to concentrate on and get in shape on." - Former UFC light heavyweight champ Chuck Liddell, who couldn't be bothered to get in shape for his fights. (Sherdog)

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Nicely done with the Monty Python quotes

"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK

by duck on Oct 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

On beatdown after the bell, Jeff Sherwood (or was it Savage?) said that Rumble had to almost be carried to the weigh-ins and afterward Joe Silva told him that was it for him and 170.

by Jahbulon on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well…if we’re letting Joe Silva tell fighters where they need to fight then I have some issues with that.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is too early, but at some point a promotion should tell a fighter what division they fight in, or cut them. Otherwise, whats to stop Thiago Alves or somebody like him from punting 20% of their pay every time in order to go in with an overwhelming size advantage?

by Michaelthebox on Oct 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumble also lost out on a 60k bonus for it.. so that plus 20% kinda sucks on your wallet.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a fighter can use an extra 5 pound advantage against each of his opponents, he may be able to dominate fighters better, move up faster in a division, get extra money from sponsors due to being on the main card, a better contract due to a higher placement in the division, and so forth. And for a single big fight (say, Thiago Alves vs. Matt Hughes) a single fight can basically make a career.

That may be worth 20% of pay for a fight, or it might not. But the potential to abuse the system does exist.

by Michaelthebox on Oct 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but if you miss weight a lot, You get in trouble with the management (unless you’re gina carano/cyborg), so i’m not that worried about it.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

A) the commission won’t let it happen with one fighter regularly

B) The promotion can provide an ultimatum to move up or they’ll cut him loose.

What i’m saying is that they should not be making a determination that a man needs to move up based on a single missed cut. Yes, the promotion can say “move up or we can’t use you” in a situation where a guy isn’t able to make weight but this was a first for AJ (not counting the short notice fight where it was understood he wouldn’t make weight)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 25, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or...

, and this is a stretch if you are of the UFC-paranoia mind, it could be that Joe Silva was concerned about this kids health.

Seriously, if he needed to be helped to the scales because of his weight cutting, then any reasonable person…even a member of the UFC management…would think that Rumble should not be doing what he is doing and proscribe a change.

by Razreshat on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn’t a normal cut. I just don’t like a single abnormal cut being the reason that someone is told they MUST change weight classes. For a lot of guys being forced into a different division is the difference between a run at the title and a run as a gatekeeper.

If it happens again, then yes…he should move weight classes. But after one bad cut after an injury where he DID gain an unusual amount of weight to say he MUST move weight classes is wrong IMO.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whiny internet nerds proceeded to grab their pitchforks. (MMA Weekly)

Nice.

10/24

by spectaa on Oct 25, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fixed

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Lyoto Machida, who got a gift-wrapped, BS decision against Mauricio “Shogun” Rua 48-47 en route to a decision victory at UFC 104. Machida nuthuggers work to disprove what their own eyes witnessed.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whiny internet nerds proceeded to grab their pitchforks. (MMA Weekly)

by JayW on Oct 25, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 26, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whiny internet nerds proceeded to grab their pitchforks. (MMA Weekly)

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree about somebody else getting the title shot

Yes Dana said Rua would get another shot right away but if Couture wins I could see them giving him the next title shot weather it’s right or wrong.

With Rampage quitting and Machida winning you dont have as many options

Originally it was supposed to be Rampage vs. Rashad and I’m guessing they would assume Rampage would win and set up Rampage vs. Machida.

You have 4 options for the next title shot

T. Silva vs. R. Evans – Both men are great fighters but the problem here is Machida just dominated them both less than a year ago

R. Couture vs. B. Vera – Couture I see getting the next shot if he wins and definitly if he wins big time ( a la not a decision) but Vera could you really sell Vera as the # 1 contender? I guess if he ko’s Randy or something then maybe.

Lil Nog vs. L. Cane – A great match up but neither man is that well known and would be hard to see without that victory over a better known name

Rua/Rampage – I think this plays into why you hear some talk of a rematch. Rua is the only one who has made Machida look human and many fans thought he won that fight. Of course everything can change if Rampage comes back as well.

by bigdmmafan on Oct 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rematch w shogun in feb, then assuming randy wins he gets next shot sometime after that. By then Rampage/Rashad will have happened and they are 3rd in line.

by Gerrymanderer on Oct 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t believe Hendo’s quote of the week didn’t make the list:

"I’m not comfortable discussing contract negotiations in a public forum, but I’d have to respectfully disagree with both statements," said Henderson through a representative on Thursday. "I am neither seeking to be the highest paid athlete in the UFC, nor am I ugly."

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Beer Monster on Oct 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha! Awesome.

by JRN on Oct 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prepared for all the asshats to come out of the woodwork and rag on Fabiano for discussing the injury.

Nice

by Shaun32887 on Oct 25, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can you correct that picture, I was told Shogun never got touched and Machida only landed punches to the arm.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Right at this moment Joe Rogan said

“brutal kick to the body by Shogun!!!!!!!”

by MauiPimpin on Oct 25, 2009 9:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Oh snap, a jab!

by grein on Oct 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is not a jab

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 25, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that jab pushed, not snapped, like most of machidas opening counters. that body kick, however, sounded like a side of beef dropped off a bridge onto a highway.

by judonerd on Oct 26, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

cant you? leg against torso and meat doesnt sound like a hand pushing through a chin

by judonerd on Oct 29, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously I was wondering why Joe was so focused on the knee when shogun was seriously getting punched in the face. And those vicious knees to the head when Shogun rushed in. It was like the tito fight except Shogun was game

by pandaboy99 on Oct 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Vicious? seriously? the only thing those knees had going for them was that there was plenty, the only one throwing vicious knees was shogun in the clinch. I see why people thought machida was winning now. Regular Knees are seen as VICIOUS knees, and a nice body kick, when countered by a fucking jab, is considered winning the exchange.

by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Machida is in a south paw stance which means his right leg is forward. He is hitting him with his left hand. According to wikipedia,

“A jab is one of the four main punches used in boxing. Several variations of the jab exist, but every jab shares these characteristics: while in a boxing stance, the lead fist is thrown straight ahead and the arm is fully extended.”

Therefore it wasn’t a “fucking jab.”

by JayW on Oct 25, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Body kicks dont knock people out. I never saw machida once in danger, i only saw shogun losing the exchanges from the random flurries

by pandaboy99 on Oct 25, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cro Cop/Megomedov

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 26, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry! i didn’t mean it to be an insult…. just that he’s skewing the facts to his advantage. could i say ’you’re wrong’? serious question.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're wrong is fine...

honestly the delusional comment wasn’t too bad but the problem is it is the kind of thing that spirals a conversation into an argument

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 25, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

and that’s the last thing i want this place to become…. i truelly did mean it in the most basic sense of the statement, not as an insult but i understand. thanks for the warning…. my 2nd today and ever…. not good.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 25, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don’t worry. that wasn’t even the true warning that goes on your record. haha.

you’re (still) following the rules, you’ll be fine. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, technically, it's actually still okay,

but with everyone being on edge lately, it could lead to nasty arguments/banning/etc. Just trying to prevent that. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rewatch the round 2 replay of those “regular knees” to me those are pretty vicious!

by pandaboy99 on Oct 25, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

niiiice legkick by shogun!!!

by kovy on Oct 26, 2009 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like when Shogun puts his guard. Pretty funny.
I said it before and I say it again: Lyoto lacks power (yeah, yeah, Silva and Rashad disagree).

by dancingChicken on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at Shogun’s face after he bounces off the cage. He was clearly hurt by that shot and in my opinion looks glassy eyed. One of my issues with Machida’s performance is that I thought he was too cautious (hard to fault the guy since that has always worked before) but there were multiple times during the fight where he hurt Shogun and bounced him off the cage and immediately looked to counter punch rather than attack which let Shogun regroup.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can you tell if Shogun was hurt with that? He got hit (and also delivered a body kick) and went straight into a take down (which got stiffed, but still, he wasn’t phased by that).

Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily

by orcus on Oct 26, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will illustrate what is going on in Machida's head:

OH MY GOD my spleen is going to explode and OH MY GOD i just landed my invincible counter straight left on his chin and he is still standing…when is this going to end

by oousty on Oct 25, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m eagerly awaiting the classic Dana swerve where Machida goes on to coach TUF opposite Randy Couture.

HAHAHAHAHA

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Oct 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know,

that was a (poorly delivered) “you-dont-have-to-worry-cause-Vera-will-beat-him” joke.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 26, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aah!

I get it, because he’s fighting Vera and you’re the resident Vera die-hard.

Well, Orcus (sorta) had his day, maybe you will too.

by Shaun32887 on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vera fan, not die-hard.. I actually was heavily criticizing him for his poor performances after his UFC return.

and no Orcus and I have completelyyy different levels of fandom. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 26, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch minute 3:05 of round 1 where shogun gets kneed in the face and then attempts a takedown. Rogan treats shoguns failed takedown like he won that exchange. Very strange.

by pandaboy99 on Oct 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

story of the fight

by cagefightonacid on Oct 25, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“well you know whos name you keep saying joe….SHOGUN!!!” – mike goldberg

by kovy on Oct 26, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then silence

Like Joe suddenly became confused, and mike suddenly was confused at Joe’s silence, which rendered him silent. Then Joe chimes in “Awesome leg kick by Shogun”.

by Dooda on Oct 27, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4:40 in round 2. Machida high kicks Shoguns mouthpiece out. No response from rogan.

by pandaboy99 on Oct 25, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

It was so weird for me too, because I’m sort of fascinated with Machida and his footwork and stance, I kept seeing him hit Shogun with straight lefts, and hearing Rogan ooh about the Shogun leg kicks. The other guy, shamelessly feeding off of Rogan, just kept it up.

But the real story to me is how people can be so biased and disillusioned about what they watch, and how we all rationalize it by baiting ourselves with what we want to hear.

by Dooda on Oct 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously.. dont get me wrong i respect shogun… hes up there with my fav fighters because of his ownage of rampage and his soccer kicks from his pride days… i would be the first to defend his gassing out in the forrest fight because of the blown acl, and the ring rust for the coleman fight. But machida eeked out a split decision to me

by pandaboy99 on Oct 25, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that bugs me is when people say they thought he won a “split decision.” You have to think either he won or not. By saying you think it was a split decision is trying to view it from 3 points of view. A single person can’t judge a fight as a split decision, it takes 2 people judge it for fighter A and 1 for fighter B. I can’t find the right way to describe what I mean but hopefully you get the point I’m trying to make.

by midwestbred on Oct 26, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I spent like an hour last night trying to explain this to someone

He meant “won’t win every round” or, would win a close decision (a one point margin) when he said “split decision”. I just kept saying, “WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU GUESS THAT THE JUDGES WOULDN’T AGREE ON WHO WON THE FIGHT?” He never got it.

by gocjeffe on Oct 26, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what if the rounds were too close to call and it could have gone either way for the judges

by pandaboy99 on Oct 26, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can say that you see how it could be a split decision because you are determining the perspective of a group of people (which can be split), however, your own opinion of the fight can not be that a fighter won by a split decision.

Its really semantics but the point is that one person can’t say “I had it as a split decision victory for fighter X” but you can say “it was really close I think the judges are going to have it as a split decision for fighter X”

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then it would be a draw to me.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what happened to my response?

It wasnt shoguns mouthpiece it was tape off of Machida’s toe …and shogun blocked the kick …get your facts straight before you make a statement

by oousty on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you name call……your posts often get deleted.

by soadtrails on Oct 26, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know that warning you had to click through?

That is what happened to your response. Don’t call another member a “dummy”

Take your aggression down a notch.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what’s that fun group of letters mean?

by cagefightonacid on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

post traumatic stress disorder?

by soadtrails on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks…. i’m terrible at online jargon

by cagefightonacid on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Fagan

rules, and this is always my favorite piece to look forward to at the end of the week.

by roccotuna on Oct 26, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t tell Fagan that shit he already thinks way too highly of himself.

by ufc4 on Oct 26, 2009 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

When Oleg was talking about Royce not juicing, I think he meant back in the old days.

Keep firing Assholes!

Never trust a man with no shirt on.

by Ubernoober on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A little off topic

but Lyoto and Yoshizo Machida are right. If you think you can start correcting bad behavior after children are in their teens, you’re already too late.

by rzor on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you're actually ON topic..

hardly anyone of these people were talking about the actual post itself.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off-topic in terms of

commenting on child-rearing and no longer commenting on MMA. Sometimes it’s annoying to scroll through a post on BE with 15 comments about the baseball playoffs.

by rzor on Oct 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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