Shogun, You Are the People's Champ
by MMAEruption on Oct 25, 2009 2:24 AM EDT
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(even the Google agrees!)
I normally don't complain much about close decisions. If a fight's close enough to go either way, odds are that I didn't remember every little thing that could have swayed the judges one way or the other. So why go crazy?
But tonight, there was zero doubt in my mind that Mauricio "Shogun" Rua beat Lyoto Machida. Shogun clearly won rounds 1, 4, and 5 by outstriking Machida. Round 2 was close and could have gone either way, and Shogun probably edged out Round 3.
Bottom line, Shogun won at least 3 rounds and the decision was crap. Machida's facial expressions said it all.
Shogun, you may not hold the light heavyweight belt, but tonight you proved that you are a true champion and a legend of the sport. After a loss to Forrest Griffin, two knee surgeries, and an underwhelming performance against Mark Coleman, just about everyone counted you out.
But you did the unthinkable tonight - you made the invincible Machida look not only human, but bad. And with that, you now have a bigger fan base than you ever did before. The judges may have made you a loser on the scorecards, but the fans know who the real champ is.
Dana, thank you for making an immediate rematch. (Dana seemed to make it clear that it will happen during the press conference)
And Shogun, you'll have the people on your side next time.
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not this people
Machida won IMO and deserves the belt
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BULLSHIT
I still can’t believe this decision, I don’t blame the UFC but the fucking judges, that fight was EASILY Rua’s, I really don’t wanna start thinking about UFC fights being rigged at all but man, I’m a lyoto fan kinda, but even though my fighter was the defending champ., he rightfully should have lost that belt and a rematch needs to happen ASAP and get something done about those judges.
by Takun on Oct 25, 2009 2:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wasnt that bad of a robbery
it just wasnt. at all. :/
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you’ve rewatched it already, but this wasn’t that bad a decision. I gave Lyoto 1 and 3, Shogun 4 and 5, and 2 was a toss-up, though I definitely thought Shogun had edged it out when the fight ended. I can’t wait for a rematch of this one, as Shogun proved himself at least equal to Lyoto, and thinking about the rest of the division, I’d say they have a long way to go to catch up. And all respect in the world to Shogun for fighting through the past couple years to get back to world beating form. Awesome performance. This could turn into an epic trilogy (at least) of fights.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave 4 rounds to Shogun, the people actually at the fight clearly thought Shogun won, the announcers thought Shogun won, Dana thought Shogun won, most of the press (actually at the event) thought Shogun won, 25 of every 30 people online thought Shogun won…
everyone that texted me after the fight thought Shogun won, post fight body language by each fighter and his corner points to everyone thinking Shogun won…
3 judges and a handful of people online (that somehow like to argue it wasn’t a robbery) think Machida won….or it was too close to call…interesting (and all claim its not Machida bias)…
just interesting, on another site that has a small like 50 person mma forum, everyone said Shogun was robbed, one person said Machida won and he’s the forum mascot (aka forum idiot that gets made fun of and can’t spell anything correct)…
oh well, I bet on Machida and picked him in all prediction contests/leagues…just don’t like to see shit like this in mma
by Reaser16 on Oct 25, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Food for thought:
First, Rogan was all over Shogun’s nuts the entire fight. I was really surprised he could talk with his mouth that full. That biased everyone watching the broadcast.
Second, one guy on another forum mentioned that he originally thought Shogun won, but rewatched it with the sound off. Afterward he and everyone with him agreed that Machida won. I think that is a fantastic idea and I think we should all rewatch it with the sound off before we get too riled up.
FWIW, I thought Shogun won.
by thekiltedwonder on Oct 25, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
josh gross scored it 48-47 at first
but he changed his mind after rewatching it without sound.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
48-47 for who? and what did he change his opinion to?
by thekiltedwonder on Oct 25, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
48-47 Shogun originally
And I believe after rewatching he said it was a tie.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 25, 2009 3:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the judges should do the same.
by MMAEruption on Oct 25, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could, of course, but they can’t go back and change their official scores.
by lhasafi on Oct 27, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the people at the fight can’t hear the commentary and they were unanimous in thinking Shogun won…
plus I had the sound off anyways as I was listening to college football while watching the fight…tho i don’t remember one thing I heard of the football game because i was 100% focused on the fight…
by Reaser16 on Oct 25, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but the crowd was full of “LA douchebags” according to Rogan* and didn’t know shit about MMA, so I’m not sure their opinion should count for that much.
I wouldn’t even try to listen to football while watching MMA (or vice versa). Hope you weren’t rooting for the Canes.
- Maybe he thought they were douchebags because they were taking up space on Shogun’s nuts and Rogan wanted it to himself.
by thekiltedwonder on Oct 25, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the crowd was full of "LA douchebags" according to Rogan* and didn’t know shit about MMA
I know you’re using this to prove a different point but that was a true statement.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fight audio is available at the area.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Shogun edged it out, but body language?, crowd reaction? Joe and Goldie’s opinion? are these really part of your criteria? It wasn’t that bad, just another decision that I disagreed with. If Shogun hadn’t put it on cruise control because of the unbiased opinion of HIS CORNER that he was winning the fight, maybe he would have…Seriously, this was a pretty inconclusive fight. Nobody took any major damage. Lyoto looked to be walking around in the postfight videos. They were both marked up on the face, ribs and thighs. Unfinished fights are always kind of a crapshoot, which sucks, but fighters have to fight to finish, particularly when you’re the challenger.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it was a horrible decision by the judges. Maybe the worst i’ve ever seen. SHOGUN won this fight and the world knows it. machida did some damage but SHOGUN did incredible damage to the body and legs of machida.
i gave 4 rounds to shogun and 1 draw and i was rooting for machida.
i pray for a rematch
by Raikoh101 on Oct 25, 2009 3:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that was the worst you’ve ever seen you haven’t watched much MMA.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 25, 2009 3:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
You mean the INCREDIBLE damage to Machida’s legs that left him able to lightly spar with Anderson Silva backstage afterward, as Anderson showed him some of his mistakes? Oh yeah, devastating, the guy may never walk again…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYONE at the bar I was at thought Shogun won – even all the Machida fans.
by MMAEruption on Oct 25, 2009 3:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For all you who truly believe Machida won
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html
Just figured I’d let you suck on that for a while, but if you’re as stubborn as the judges I doubt that will phase you anyway…
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 25, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, check out their stats for the Lyoto/Tito fight and try to count the multitude of punches and kicks they say Tito landed in that fight…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible decision.
Very disappointed and close to being incredulous.
by ScooterMagruder on Oct 25, 2009 4:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
close close fight
i’m a true machida fan and i initially thought he lost
but hey a rematch is in the making
so let’s hope it’s gonna be a better match
by CC11 on Oct 25, 2009 4:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter anyway. The Jan 2 show just got its main event
by rocket8188 on Oct 25, 2009 5:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone making a big deal about Shogun putting it on “cruise control” is getting a bit carried away. It wasn’t like he won the early rounds and came out and lost the late rounds, rounds 4 and 5 have to go to Shogun. Machida looked drained, didn’t throw much and seemed like he no longer wanted to be there. Even if Shogun came out looking to win on points and not finish the fight, he still won rounds 4 and 5 and I don’t think many people would argue that.
I thought Shogun won the fight if you look at the whole of the 5 rounds, but when you look at it round by round the first 3 rounds are all very close. I think Lyoto might have stole the third round with that “flurry” on the judge’s scorecards, but replay showed that the only punch landed there was Shogun’s counter. Really sucks for Shogun, he fought the perfect fight and lost.
by xDieseLx on Oct 25, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
machida’s gon be limping for a month like he got the stanky leg
by dagoldenmonkey on Oct 25, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I definately thought shogun won, if the rounds were close, and they were call them a draw, but shogun clearly had 2 maybe 3 rounds. Shogun the people’s champ. Having watched it without sound I STILL think shogun had it, fightmetric agrees with me.
by Chrisapalooza on Oct 25, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah what have those people got to say about machidas “elusivness” after being tagged by a shogun all night? I would also refer the machida fans out there to the bloodynose, raw legs and bruised ribs, as compared to shoguns mildly red rib cage.
Octagon control – Shogun all 5 rounds
Effective Striking – Machida 3 and maybe 2
Takedown attempts – Shogun
attempts, lyoto stuffs, shouldnt the attempt mean more than the defense?
Submission attempts Nothing subststanial
by Chrisapalooza on Oct 25, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would file takedown attempts under octagon control.
by MMAEruption on Oct 25, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then you would have to include striking as octagon control if you use that same logic.
by JaTinkles on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the takedown attempt mean more than the defense???
The fighter attempting the takedown is trying to take the fight to the ground. The fighter stuffing is not allowing the fight to go to the ground and dictating where the fight takes place.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so far 78% think shogun won? so how does that not make this decision a “robbery”?
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Truth be told
I think the problem is that the people who thought this was a mismatch are so shocked and mad that Rua punished Machida that all they have left is that we need to get Joe Rogan and Rua’s nuts out of our mouth, and to say that leg kicks aren’t how you beat the champ. I find it funny how the same people who praise Machida’s cautious style are now bashing Rua for having a great gameplan against machida. It’s no easy task to hit Machida in the head and Rua did exactly what he needed to do in order to slow Machida down so he can try to land more shots. However, when Rua does it , it’s terrible and underserving of a win?
the way I see it:
Damage- Goes to shogun, he damaged machida more on a round to round basis, and overall.
Octagon control- Shogun as well. there were several occasions where Shogun backed Machida away with powerful low kicks that threw him off balance, and he did by far the most work in the clinch, which he held for quite a while.
effective aggressiveness- All belongs to Shogun. If you rewatch the Machida flurry towards the end of one of the rounds, he lands maybe one clean punch as opposed to Shogun landing about 3. On top of that Machida didn’t score very well at all being aggressive, and Shogun landed many a low kick while in pursuit of Machida.
Clean strikes- This area I can understand why some people would give this to Machida, as he did land more clean Hand strikes. However, Shogun landed quite a few knees and kicks, and even a few really good punches on Machida.
Grappling- Bleh
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
*Sigh
I have to console myself, and compare this to Leonidas at the of 300, where he doesn’t kill Xerxes, but proves he isn’t a god.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone twittered Rogan
WELCOME TO THE MACHIDA ERROR. Quite fitting, I believe. Poor decision, but definitely not a robbery.
by slapjaw ackrite on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I scored it 48-47 for Shogun. I thought you could give Machida rounds 1 and 3 but the rest were all Shogun. I have to give Shogun the second round because I think he clearly displayed more aggression and better octagon control, two things which seem to get overlooked in scoring a lot.
But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13
by Ominous on Oct 25, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHOGUN THE TRUE UFC LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
shogun so won that fight i think he won 4 rounds. bullshit decion
by ganstagunner on Oct 25, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I scored it 4 rounds if not 5 for Shogun. I thought one of the judges might screw up, and give Lyoto 3 rounds. When I heard it was a UD I thought, great they didn’t screw up. And then I heard Lyoto’s name.
I was shocked. I honestly don’t think I will watch mma for much longer if they don’t fix the scoring system, and find some competent judges. I don’t want to get excited for a fight when it can be so easily ruined.
I feel sorry for Shogun, and his family.
by MrJobro on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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