UFC 104 Commentary and Analyses: Mauricio "Shogun" Rua is Robbed by the CSAC Judges, Champion Lyoto Machida Gets Off Lucky
by Kid Nate on Oct 25, 2009 1:01 AM EDT
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Talk about some shady shit.
The California State Athletic Commission judges chose to ignore the reality of what happened in the fight and awarded Lyoto Machida with a gift decision over Mauricio "Shogun" Rua.
The moral of the story? If you want the belt you must knock out the champ.
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua fought the perfect fight, formulated the perfect strategy and beat the champ in every way but officially. He refused to let Lyoto control the rhythm of the fight. By taking the lead in the foot work and stalking Machida but forcing the champ to throw first so he could counter. Shogun's leg and body kicks left Machida staggered and limping. By the late rounds, Machida's mobility was so compromised that he could do little to force the action.
The UFC owes the fans and Shogun Rua an immediate rematch. He is the rightful champ.
Machida knew he lost the fight although he threw his arms up in victory at the end of the fight.
At least UFC fans realize why Shogun Rua is a legend of MMA and deserves to be regarded as the #1 MMA Light Heavyweight in the world.
In other fights, Cain Velasquez made a strong case to deserve a title shot against the winner of Lesnar/Carwin or a title eliminator against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.
Joe Stevenson remains a force in the 155 pound decision.
Chael Sonnen has cinched his top 10 status and pushed Yushin Okami out of contention in the UFC middleweight division. Dana White owes Sonnen a lot for curing a long-term headache that had spoiled Mike Swick and nearly spoiled Rich Franklin.
Ryan Bader continues to rise although he needs to improve his footwork and striking.
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Robbery!!
That was a fucking joke decision!!!! shogun won that fight. He didn’t lose a round. I’m so fucking disgusted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by pwdminotauro on Oct 25, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
worse than Hamill vs Bisping!
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
times 1000000000 fucking times, i mean really now!?!?
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah your right, sorry everyone for all the cussing but wtf, i really believe that shogun. i was just talking to my friend about the hamill/bisping fight and how that was compleat bull shit too.
idk, i just hope this dosnt happen more often like in boxing!!!=/
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time Machida was in any danger was when he slipped on the mat, and he didn’t even get taken down then. At no other point in the fight did I feel like Machida was in trouble.
There were multiple times where Machida had Rua in trouble but his excessive caution made him back off. But that is why Machida won; he put Rua in danger. Rua did a lot of leg kicks and impressive looking misses, but never really put the champ in danger. In that situation, the challenger should not win a decision.
It’s a disappointing performance by Machida—- he needs to be willing to take more chances to be a great champion. But he still won the fight. I firmly believe the compustrike stats will bear that out. The CSAC judges made the right call.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
cant wait for you to see those compustrike stats. Machida did not land ONE solid punch or kick.
by DRExLOC on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhhhh
you didn’t watch any of the infight replays did you
by soadtrails on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is retarded.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bahahahahahaha
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude that’s so off it isn’t funny. Machida landed lots. Shogun’s were maybe a little bit harder, but saying Machida didn’t land once? Destroys your credibility.
by Dooda on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was it, the three knees in the beggining of the 1st or the high kick that got blocked??? “Machinda landed lots” kills you credibility son.
by DRExLOC on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah plus six knees later on and a bunch of punches to the head, of which Shogun landed exactly 4 in the whole fight. Shogun missed nearly every kick he threw.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please go watch the fight again. This is silly.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least I don’t kill my own credibility. Three knees in the first (if it were only that) is a lot different from “not land one solid kick or punch”. The diagram that you linked us to completely debunked you. Wow. It was never so easy.
by Dooda on Oct 25, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're nuthugging and whining...
Most of Shogun supposedly devastating leg kicks missed, were blocked or landed foot only. Big deal. Watch it again. I thought Shogun won 48-47, but Machida won 1 and 3 going away. Shogun won round 5, and 2 and 4 were pretty much a wash, and in rewatching it, I gave 2 to Lyoto and 4 to Shogun. This isn’t the gigantic travesty you think it is. Point fighting for the win. Neither landed a knockdown, and it was a close fight with no major damage. An immediate rematch has to happen though, cause it was a pretty inconclusive fight…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^ THANK YOIU!
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time Shogun was in danger was when the fight ended and the judges woke up.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Lyoto was never in danger...so what's your point?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point seems really obvious
the judges didn’t watch the fight
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that counts as a point to you, you must have scored this 50-32 for Shogun.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun was bounced off the cage 4-5 times
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fightmetric is up
And has Rua winning 49-46
by Shaun32887 on Oct 25, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
49-47, why does everyone keep getting this wrong.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first impression, and second viewing
First:
This fight featured 2 out of my top 3 fighters. I went in expecting Machida to win, but hoping Rua would have a good show. When the decision was announced my jaw dropped because I was convinced that Rua had won 4 out of 5 rounds (2-5). I was blown away by how effective he was with his leg kicks. By the 4th Machida didn’t quit, he was visibly more tired than Rua, but the significant point was that Rua had taken his legs. The first thing I said was ROBBED! OUTRAGEOUS! I felt so bad for Shogun. He made Lyoto look human and beatable for the first time. Then I read through BE hoping someone had a convincing argument for Lyoto. Needless to say I didn’t find it, just a lot of bias and exaggeration. I agree that Goldie and Rogan were dazzled by the fact that Machida was getting hit. I don’t blame them because that was how I felt, but then again I don’t do commentating for fights…
Second:
I watched the fight again. I watched for who landed the more significant strikes per round (IMO). I gave the first round to Machida, though it was close. I was convinced Shogun had won, but felt that Machida landed the significant strikes and had an answer for Rua’s agression. Second round was even closer, but it went again to Machida. Rua was destroying Machida’s legs, but Machida was landing just slightly better. The 3rd round was close again with a slight advantage to Rua (I expected Rua was going to win 3-5). I think for the judges Lyoto stole the round with the flurry of punches, (becaue of the number of strikes or for being dominant and aggressive). Rua landed probably the hardest strike of the whole fight, but I could see how it wasn’t enough. If Machida had been more rocked, or even hit the ground, it could have been different.
Rua’s biggest mistake of the whole fight was in the last two rounds. These are the rounds he most likely won, but it wasn’t a dominant performance. He executed 75% of a winning strategy against Machida, and don’t underestimate my awe at this mind boggling feat. In the end he didn’t or couldn’t take the final step to seal the deal. He didn’t start adapting until the end of the fight. If he went into the 5th round like he ended it (remember the “he looks like the new LHW champ”comment) he very well could have swayed the judges and won the fight in decision, or even better TKO/KO. For as much praise as he should get for his performance and exposing that Machida can be beat if you can take his legs, he still couldn’t finish a more tired and much less mobile Machida. He just didn’t (or couldn’t) go in for the kill. I agree that his corner failed him somewhat by not saying “you need to take this fight, now” after the 3rd and especially 4th rounds.
I am okay with the decision now, it wasn’t a robbery. Machida should get props for squeaking the win, and being up to task for a helluva fight from Shogun. Rua should get massive props for pulling the curtain on the Wizard of Shotokan. Machida vs Rua 2? Yes please. I want to see if/how Machida adapts. Great fight, very close, very tough to score.
by TRob on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forrest didnt knock out the champ and he won the belt.
by Dav11 on Oct 25, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it was a roberry in the other way.
by bawzz on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is depressing in every way possible.
by gzl5000 on Oct 25, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
This is not a robbery.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s true. A robbery would be in Shogun had the belt and they took it away to give it to Machida. This is just bullshit judging.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see this as a robbery at all. Shogun clearly took the last two rounds. Rounds 1-3 are so close. I had Machida winning 2 easily. Others had him winning the third easily. That, as is usual with these sorts of things, leaves one round in dispute. And it’s a round I scored 10-10 live. Breen had 1, 2 to Machida and 3-5 to Shogun.
There’s no way that Shogun took 4 or 5 of the rounds so convincingly that the judges scorecards completely misinterpreted the action in the cage tonight.
It’s a close fight. And with such a small sample size of rounds, this is bound to happen over and over.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 17 recs
truth..
I had 1-3 Lyoto, 4-5 Shogun.. 2 was real close also..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly how I scored it live in the arena and Im pretty sure thats exactly how the judges scored it as well.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wait…I thought EVERYONE was booing the decision in the arena…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fans in the crowd were AWFUL. It was by far the least educated crowd I’ve ever been around at an event. They were screaming that Machida was running “like he always does”. They basically boo’d everything (except Cain).
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the only reason they cheered Cain was because he was from Cali, they would have even booed him and his dominance if he wasn’t from their home state.
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it was more the Hispanic thing. There were lots of soccer songs and “Mexico” chants
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, except that I’d given round 2 to Shogun until I rewatched it. Basically a wash of a round. 4 wasn’t so definitive either. A rematch is in order, but this isn’t a bad decision, contrary to how I felt after watching round 5. The difference between round by round scoring, as opposed to scoring the total fight.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Mike, it’s a total robbery, the mob has spoken.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Lemme grab my pitchfork.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll warm up the tar
You grab the feathers.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I like the way you think.
BRING ME THE HEAD OF ARMANDO GARCIA.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Armando Garcia = (former?) head of CSAC
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by themachiavellian on Oct 25, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^This is right on.
I had it 48-47 for Shogun, but I had a hard time scoring 1. I had 2 and 3 for Machida with the third being his most convincing of the two. The last two went easily to Shogun. It was damn close in my opinion. The only thing that wasn’t close was the way that Goldie and Rogan called the match. I thought they did a terrible job in that respect.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They always do that. They decide early on whether the fight is “close” or a “total domination” by on of the fighters and then they keep calling the shots based on the initial judgment. THey also seem completely unable to “switch levels”. They either see strikes or leg-kicks. Never both. I have never ever heard them say that BOTH fighters got something out of an exchange.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think their enthusiasm for anyone even being capable of touching Machida colored their commentary pretty badly. They were just excited by something they’d never seen.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you.
This was a crazy close fight. The first three rounds were a tossup, I felt. Lyoto had that rush at the end of the third that I thought clearly gave him that round.
I felt like Rogan and Goldberg were calling the fight for Rua and ignoring anything Lyoto did, which is going to sway a lot of people.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How does commentary sway people?
Did you listen to it on the radio? WATCH THE FIGHT!
Shogun won AT LEAST 4 rounds.
As a whole (pride rules) Shogun won. Round by round (Unified rules) Shogun won..
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
A lot of Shogun’s kicks weren’t landing as hard as people were saying. Lyoto blocked a lot of them. On the other hand Lyoto’s punches were rarely blocked.
I don’t see Lyoto losing 4 rounds here, sorry.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun did not win 4 rounds and you think so, you are giving every close round to Shogun. That just sounds like a biased opinion.
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by MyFistYourFace on Oct 25, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
If you can’t see that Rounds 1 – 3 could be called for either guy depending on your view, I don’t know. Neither guy went out there and proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt it was their round.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my opinion
rds 1-3
damage: Shogun (even if Machida landed a right for every kick Shogun threw (which isnt true, many kicks were unanswered) Shogun’s kicks did more damage.
cage control: Shogun (pushed/dictated the pace of the fight)
grappling: Shogun (one takedown if i remember correctly. zero for machida. You dont score points for defending a takedown just like you dont get points for slipping a punch)
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not how you score a fight....
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no that IS how i score a fight.
just may not be how the judges did.
I score a fight by who beat the other guy up worse (who inflicts more damage). Shogun did that.
I understand the judges gave Machida the win. I paid my money like evry month, and enjoyed it greatly. I dont have to agree with batshit crazy decisions though.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again... my opinion.
When i see a fight i judge it based on who beats who up in each round. not like this….
1. fighter A (with the busted face and body walking with a limp) landed more strikes so he won even though they did little damage.
2. fighter A is the champion of this corner, so fighter A has to do less than fighter B to win a decision.
3. I thought fighter B won, but “i could see” how you could give it to fighter A so its cool either way.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just stupid...Lyoto won 1 and 3 by a solid margin. 2 and 4 were a wash...
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t need to go around and say the same thing over and over again, once is more than enough mate. =)
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but it isn’t stopping anyone else either =)
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 25, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, thank you
And I am glad that not everyone is jumping on the blatant inflammatory opening of our esteemed editor.
No doubt, It was much more competitive than I thought it would be, Shogun impressed me. Having said that, all of the emotional and profane declarations of “he was robbed” are a bit unrealistic and don’t reflect the facts. You can’t win a title of this stature with leg kicks. You have to look at the fight round by round and by ’effective" points and aggression. Yes, Shogun landed some good kicks which made a good red welt on Machidas left side. But for nearly every kick he did land(or miss) he was tagged upstairs with 1, 2 and sometimes 3 punches. On top of that, Machida landed his share of kicks and left welts on Shogun. And in the only significant barn burning episode of the fight, Machida landed 7 punches, 3 knees and 3 kicks to Shoguns 2 slaps. Look up the Fight Metric before you bust a blood vessel, and just realize that styles make fights. But you must at some point control a fight to take a championship, and there is no sequence of this fight that approaches that for Rua.
This just means we have a good rematch to look forward to.
by SimplePsych on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmmm.
You can’t win a title of this stature with leg kicks.
Forrest disagrees with you.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jardine disagrees as well – see his fight against Liddell
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither did Shogun.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good one
I have seen this comparison. But its sort of like comparing climbing mount everest to running in the tour de france. How can you compare this fight to Griffin vs Rampage?. In that fight, Rampage looked almost like he could not walk, and in the only serious clinch Griffin took Jackson down and pounded him good. This is far from being as clear.
by SimplePsych on Oct 25, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thought Machida possibly won the third, but I don’t do draws.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already made my feelings known. On 10-point must system I had it 48-47 Machida, rounds 1-3. On whole fight scoring systems like PRIDE/DREAM I’d give it to Shogun, but you can’t do that because that’s not the system that is ran.
Close decision, close fight, not a robbery.
Also, it helps UFC LHW Division.
by ACCBiggz on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, shogun clearly would've won in PRIDE rules.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this as well.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised
I’m surprised Cecil Peoples didn’t score this 1,040 to 2 for Lyoto.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly enough, Frank Mir still scored it 50-45 for Miguel Torres.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Mir was calling the D'arce!
Mir was too busy screaming “D’arce! He is going for the d’arce choke here!” to notice it wasn’t a Torres fight and wasn’t a dominating performance.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also didn’t have enough time to screw up Yoshida’s name 16 times.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He called him Miguzaki
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I needed this laugh so much from this post
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 25, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had Machida winning 2 easily.
Based on what? Even in his single flurry, Machida ate more punches than he landed.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit. Pure horseshit. Rua landed 2 blows to Machida 7 or 8. In the big flurry.
People need to watch these fights; a lot of blows that Machida looks like he takes are in face misses or glancing shots.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you high? They even showed the replay in slow motion. Machida landed maybe two clean shots in the whole flurry- Rua countered with at least three.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe when shogun was cornered, but Machida landed a good 4-5 to get him there.
Are you high?
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he didn't.
He threw several, almost all of which were either slipped or blocked. Only two got through.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two punches account for the bruses under Shogun's eye.
k.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep proving that you didn’t actually watch this fight and don’t know what you’re talking about: the bruise was on the side of his head by the temple. And yes it was caused by one of two possible punches.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you go on how a fighter looks post fight then shogun won by a very wide margin.
by mmatokyo on Oct 25, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What???No. Sorry. you’r watching through pixel goggles. Did you watch it on the internet? He landed at least 3 shots getting him there, another 3 when he got there, and Rua missed 3 counters, and landed 1.
by Dooda on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously weren’t listening very well to Rogan, who didn’t stop chatting about Shogun the whole fight. They kept saying "You could make the argument that Shogun won rounds one and two, and I kept thinking “yeah, you could make the argument that Machida won those first two”. In fact I had Machida winning the first two, rd 2 being a near draw, 3 going to Machida, and 4 and 5 going to Rua.
But it appeared that Rua landed harder leg kicks, Machida tagged Rua in the face a lot of times.
by Dooda on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a total robbery
Hey Dana,
can you put the rematch on Spike? I dont wanna pay for that as a headliner again. thanks in advance.
by Td9d on Oct 25, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Why in the hell would you not want to pay for this fight again?
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wouldn’t like it if it was the headliner.
by Td9d on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a fight of the year candidate and you don’t want to see it again?
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how is this the fight of the year when Shogun dismantled the bloody elbow messiah?? I feel bad for Shogun – he won fair and square and to say that machida deserved this is bullshit…lyoto maybe won the 1st round, maybe….the rematch will be the same- shogun beating the shit out of the x champ
by oousty on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun is the internet messiah, you silly goose.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please- majority of all the threads, comments and articles about Lyoto on this sight say that he is basically unbeatable in the ocotogan….and us who believe otherwise are called pride nuthuggers
by oousty on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must not have been around MMA sites during the pride era.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Decision notwithstanding this was an absolute classic Muay Thai vs Karate showdown.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BOYCOTT THE CSAC
So two quick thoughts:
1. Since the UFC is a club sport, can’t Dana strip the belt and hand it over to Shogun?
2. I’m being facetious regarding my first thought. The reality is, is that Shogun should be champion and deserves an instant rematch before the end of the year. I think Shogun vs. Machida II should headline the Superbowl card.
by cdny on Oct 25, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
why would they strip him of the belt?
god people are overreacting..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stripping the title would be waaay overreacting, fight was way to close to go to those extremes and besides it’s not like Machida did anything wrong to deserve it stripped.
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t strip someone over a bad decision, that’s crazy. An immediate rematch is far more likely.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun should just beat Machida up and take it.
OH WAIT HE DID THAT AND IT DIDN’T WORK.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, ill fix that for you....
Shogunshouldjust beat Machida upand take it..
much better.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Thanks!
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OVER-REACTION
it was a close fight, NOT a robbery. lyoto won in my opinion but it could have gone either way.
by cagefightonacid on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He had one, count it, ONE burst of offense the whole match.
How is this anything BUT a robbery?
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was at worst a bad decision in a close fight.
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by capital L on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When a man very clearly loses 5 straight rounds and somehow wins the fight, I’d call that a robbery.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly he didn't "very clearly" lose 5 straight rounds
Seeing as how a lot of fans, commentators, and a consensus of judges thought otherwise. I think Shogun won, but he certainly didn’t win 5 rounds to zip.
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by capital L on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the dumbest thing I’ve heard on here
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he won every exchange outside of the leg-kicks, just because rogan chose to mention shogun’s half. it could have gone either way but there’s no way this was a robbery. the fact that people are arguing over it proves it anyway….
by cagefightonacid on Oct 25, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shockingly I didn't listen to the fight, I WATCHED the fight.
I could care less what I heard, I know what I SAW. Machida had no offense. He tried to avoid as usual, didn’t do a good job at that got his legs and his body tagged, was slowed down and damn near gassing, took the harder shots and was pretty much ineffective as a counter striker. You can argue he won the third round. That’s about it.
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida had multiple offensive bursts.
It wasn’t an impressive performance by any means. It was very frustrating to watch as a fan. But Machida had more substantive offense than Rua did.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had two or three flurries the rest of the fight he was getting his ass kicked.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he wasn’t. Getting leg kicked is not getting his ass kicked.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fight metric has the win for Shogun only based on leg kicks. They scored them as if lyoto didnt check any of them and that they all landed. 15 “power” leg kicks in the first round???
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you think fightmetric is wrong eh?
Machida is a god
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, apparently kicking Lyoto Machida shouldn’t count.
by NinjaCodah on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there numbers are accurate (I havent checked but I have no reason to doubt that) I doubt the point value they assigned to those strikes in the context of determining total damage.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it just puzzles me that every site out there, including this one, and a professional and respected site such as fightmetric is all giving this fight to Shogun and yet some of you think we feel it was a robbery because we were being brainwashed by Joe Rogan (I’m not saying this is your case, but it’s what I’ve been reading in general). I respect your opinion, but I truly think you are being biased here. Truth of the matter is that Shogun came out with the right strategy, he countered the counter master, and got the better of it. I’m just glad they are leaning towards a rematch, leaving things as they are would be unacceptable. Do you agree with an immediate rematch though? Or do you think this win is enough?
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with a rematch but more from the standpoint that I really enjoyed the fight and I dont see other legitimate contenders ready to be the next challenger.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed the fight too, and hopefully a rematch will give us a stoppage to put this to rest. Until then…. SHOGUN! :p
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not even mad at that he fought a great fight and has a TON of heart and a great chin. That being said…MACHIDA!
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do this again in a few months my friend? Shogun had a great gameplan and Machida had a bad showing…but I still don’t know who won. Rounds 2 and 3 were the only ones I saw Machida definitely winning, the others I don’t think I could get past my own bias to judge impartially.
Shogun definitely got my respect.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 25, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure
in a few months hopefully we’ll have a stoppage and we don’t have to speculate on it, good luck to each our boys :P much respect to both, it was a great fight after all.
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only watched the fight once
and I was completely blitzed at the time, but I think I gave every round to Shogun except the 3rd.
I have to watch it again and reassess. I know from the very first round I was bummed because Machida looked completely off his game. Not as much feinting or movement, and his inability to adapt to what was a pretty basic offense from Shogun. Then in the later rounds I was getting pissed that he wasn’t just going for it (since i had him decidedly down on the cards.) You might lose, but go out there swinging.
Yeah gotta watch it again to make sure. Either way, immediate rematch. Machida needs to take himself out of the spotlight a bit, get back to basics, and get some major sparring time in with Anderson Silva.
by Grappo on Oct 25, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Machida looking off
Anyone else think this burst of new found fame and attention had anything to do with his flat performance?
I’m far from a Machida or Shogun nuthugger. I wasn’t pulling for either fighter, I just thought this would be an interesting stylistic match up and it was. I DID notice that one of two things was taking place though:
A. Machida was WAY off his game, either due to the increased media attention or maybe he under estimated Shogun’s game planning (least likely in my opinion, he doesn’t strike me as someone who dismisses opponents).
B. Shogun’s game plan completely threw Machida off, the focus on his legs and body took the wind out of his sails and the spring out of his step.
Either way, that wasn’t the showing from Machida I had been expecting or that had been hyped up SO much over the preceeding months.
by DJDace on Oct 26, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rua didn’t have a “burst” the whole fight. He landed a lot of kicks, in single shots, but so did Machida. Rogan just didn’t call out anything he did.
by swells2048 on Oct 25, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Justice
What does it matter if its CLOSE or not. If the wrong guy clearly wins it is a ROBBERY!!
What about the WIN bonus that he looses becuase of it.
The WIN bonus is just as much as the TO SHOW money!!!
It may have been close but it’s CLEAR who won…
by ALMEGA on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is some of us don’t think it was a close fight.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
respectfully disagree
he won all the exchanges and did the most damage to the head. if it was a leg kicking contest, shogun won, but lyoto had just as many body kicks as shogun. the fightmetric will show i believe.
by cagefightonacid on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s safe to say Dana and Lorenzo are lining Shogun’s pockets for that performance.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see 3-2 Machida as a robbery
It’s not how I saw the fight, but it’s no robbery.
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by capital L on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS WASN'T BEEBE-EASTON
It wasnt a robbery, but a close fight and a decision I dont agree with
by IRodC on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if you want a robbery, watch Beebe-Easton.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or this fight.
Maybe I’m not drinking the Machida Koolaid* you all are, but Shogun won that fight.
It smells like pee.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you’re certainly entitled to that opinion. I’m not sure I would have the same scores upon second watching.
But to imply a robbery means the judges took CLEAR and DECISIVE rounds from one of the fighters. Seeing as the judges (hopefully) gave Shogun 4 and 5, which were the clearest of the fight, and gave Machida one 1 through 3 – which seem to be closely disputed by anyone who watched the fight, there’s no “robbery” here.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the official scores
Cecil Peoples gave R 1-3 to Machida, 4 & 5 Shogun. Same for Marcos Rosales. ‘Doc’ Hamilton had R1 & 5 Shogun, 2-4 Machida.
4 to Machida WTF? really
by IRodC on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, someone needs to take Hamilton back to the shed for this one.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what happened to “hopefully”?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, one of the judges is an idiot. I never made a guarantee. The Hamilton card is atrocious.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody who scored 3 rounds for Machida when he didn’t clearly win ANY rounds is atrocious.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, you’re just being unreasonable at this point.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna remake the subo gif for me?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be a waste of time. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you just change my nick to subo?
That’d save time! :-)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, I should be a bigger prick?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Because I can do that.)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had Lyoto winning the first round and I could see an argument for the second but he lost the next three rounds quite clearly.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with Brent’s scoring, as do most people here – 10-9, 10-10, 10-9, 10-9, 10-9 – Machida tied one round and won no others. That’s not unreasonable.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG IT WAS NATE SCORING. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine – wrong.
(See? Not hard!)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But how can we trust your opinion when you can’t read the live blog???
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is your deal? You made a point, I disagreed, you turned out to be wrong in your assumption, now I’m the bad guy?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re unreasonable.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? Because I disagreed with you?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you argued a red herring. Because you said this:
“Anybody who scored 3 rounds for Machida when he didn’t clearly win ANY rounds is atrocious.”
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you’re parsing that right: I’m saying that he didn’t CLEARLY win any rounds. He may have come close, but he didn’t achieve a CLEAR AND DECISIVE victory in any single round. And there are a few people (I call them every major MMA site I can find) agreeing with me, including your bosses Nate and Luke. Right?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL “my bosses”
Continue to appeal to authority and the masses.
Regardless of whether Lyoto won 3 rounds convincingly or not is not the issue. He could have won razor thin three rounds and have been dominated in the last two and still won the fight. I’ve already agreed that Shogun wins this fight easily under Pride’s scoring.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have some other term they make you call them, let me know. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colleagues? Friends? Buddies? Lovers? All are more appropriate than bosses.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you with the night crew tonight?
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. I’m already out on my feet. And I have a bunch of shit to do tomorrow.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Why is it the admins here never want to admit when they make a mistake?)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admitted it RIGHT AWAY and then you “called me out on it” anyway.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I called you out on it as I made my way through the thread.
What are you even arguing with me for?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could ask you the same question.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton is blind..
4-5 CLEARLY goes to shogun.
if he did get that right, split decision for Lyoto.. and less people would be whining cause if it’s ‘split’ it’s not a ‘robbery’.. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truthiness if your statement is probably the saddest part of all.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida quit in the 4th.
end of story.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but the guy I thought won didn’t win, so it’s a robbery wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was rooting for Machida.
You don’t know me, take your act elsewhere.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did I say anything about rooting? Did I say anything about you?
the whining after every decision is getting old.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bzzz.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since you don’t know how the judges actually scored the individual rounds, I reject this line of reasoning. Get some facts to back it up and we can talk.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We do, actually.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(And what Mike said was incorrect.)
(You left that part out.)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did I say was incorrect?
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Seeing as the judges (hopefully) gave Shogun 4 and 5, which were the clearest of the fight, and gave Machida one 1 through 3 – which seem to be closely disputed by anyone who watched the fight, there’s no "robbery" here.”
How quickly they forget.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Hopefully'
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His basic argument was that the judges were in agreement which means that this can be considered a fair judgement. The fact that the judges WERE not in agreement demonstrates that “hopefully” you’ll see that his point was incorrect.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2/3 would still have Machida winning the fight, by the way.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And 15,000 fans in attendance disagreed. So where does this get us?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only person I heard cheering for Machida was his dad. How about you?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are stupid.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU ARE certainly right about that.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RANDOMLY CAPITIALIZING letters CERTAINLY doesn't make you look STUPID.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(It wasn’t random.)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my god!
i know its hip and cool right now to ride the Machida bandwagon, but if you think he won that fight then you dont know much about MMA.
Sorry, im sure ill get flamed for this but if anyone thinks Machida won the fight then you prolly just picked him before the fight and are trying to justify his GIFT decision.
If there is a fight on the playground and 3/4 of the people watching think kid A won, the guess what… he won. Machida holds the belt, but Shogun beat him tonight.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT MMA ;_;
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the judges?
So by your logic, the judges all saw Machida winning, so clearly they were right.
See how this argument doesn’t hold up?
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not getting into an internet pissing contest.
Shogun won.
the pubes must have obstructed your view from machida’s nuts.
I read the live thread, PBRADY was the only person giving Machida more than a round or two.
if only a few thousand folks in the arena thought Machida won, its a shame that 3 of them were judges.
Wait till tomorrow and look around your 5 fav MMA sites. see what the consensus is.
And dont give me that, “You have to BEAT the champ decisively to take the belt” because #1 He did, and #2 see Forrest/Rampage.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a reason they don’t just slap an applause meter up there and have people clap for who they thought won. Most of the people in attendance probably have a worse idea of what is going on than the people watching it on tv.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The L.A. fans were literally awful. They really didn’t know shit about MMA.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was conjecture on my part without knowing the scorecards and assuming the judges were rational. One wasn’t. I’M SO FUCKING SORRY.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, thanks for admitting it. Could you point it out do your defenders now?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, because you’re arguing a red herring anyway. Please stop.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if that judge had 4 going to shogun his statement is still apt because he's outnumbered.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Hopefully'
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun is the Number 1 trending topic on twitter
People are ANGRY
by IRodC on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made a comment about this earlier
Shogun #1 trending topic on twitter.
Since the majority of twitter is mentally challenged I’ll claim superiority.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that really changes his point, doesn’t it?
Oh, wait. No.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Worse
This is WORSE than Easton-Beebe becuase the UFC is supposed to be the STANDARD for all MMA.
by ALMEGA on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bahahahahaha
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's stupid
The UFC doesn’t pick the judges. The atheltic commission does. The UFC doesn’t have a say in who the judges pick. If they did then Rua would have won. The UFC would benefit more from Rua winning.
by swells2048 on Oct 25, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a robbery
The majority of Machida’s punches were blocked. He didn’t know what to do.
by Hozumi on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Looking forward, do the rematch on 108 and they should be able to convince Anderson that his elbow is healed if he gets to fight on the Superbowl card alongside a GSP defense.
by rabrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree Nate.
COMPLETELY disagree.. No robbery here..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
i thought it was robbery, but like I said in another thread, people are overreacting. this was no more robbery than controversial but understandable decisions like the Stout/Wiman fight
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robbery both tarnishes the fight and erases the rounds.
The fight was a classic and the rounds happened. They did. Just because your guy didn’t win doesn’t mean it was a robbery.
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by jebushchrist on Oct 25, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the UFC’s duty to give Shogun a rematch after this fight.
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by 49er16 on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. Completely agree. Someone said it could headline the Super Bowl card. It should headline the New Year’s card.
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by FlyByKnight on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed a lot of footsie with the official before the fight...
I’m not a conspiracy theorist so I don’t want to get into the “That sh*t was rigged” gear, but honestly. Who saw Machida winning that? Frankly I think we may have seen an org protecting it’s new posterboy.
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont see this as the org having a hand in this at all. their LHW champ looked terrible in that fight. beaten and battered, tired by round 2. shogun was robbed.
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by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
beaten and battered, tired by round 2. shogunwas robbedlost a decision i don’t agree with.
fixed. STOP OVERREACTING PEOPLE.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you take the liberty to edit my opinion and add the words “i dont agree with” yet you so boldly state that you are more correct over my absurd statement? you reak of pompous arrogance.
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by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a robbery, go get sober.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no alchohol in me sir.
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by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then go get drunk and relax :-)
by thekiltedwonder on Oct 25, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Research the word Robbery.. or better yet, watch beebe easton..
how am i arrogant? cause i’m saying people are overreacting over a close decision they don’t agree with?
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you took the liberty to change my words to better fit your opinion, that is arrogant. the entire arena erupted in “boos” at the decision, bloodyelbow as well as many other sites are going crazy over this decision, at what point does it become robbery? the majority of people think it is.
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by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s why i told you to watch beebe vs easton.. or read brent’s posts on what makes a robbery.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bloody elbow defined a robbery? funny, i suggest you read this post, as it states in the title “Rua was robbed…”
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by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LAME
“STOP OVERREACTING PEOPLE.”
Stop acting like its NO big deal!!
You wouldn’t be saying that if you were Shogun or his family!!
by ALMEGA on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His family is happy morons are bitching because it means he gets another fat payday.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not overreacting he’s reacting differently than you because he views the reality of this fight differently than you.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s anything in this sport people should react strongly towards it’s extremely poor judge’s decisions in marquee title fights.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is over reacting. Its going to be pretty hard to call lyoto the undisputed light heavy weight champ considering the vast majority of people who saw the fight thought he lost.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that..
my point was it wasn’t a robbery, just a close fight with a decision that some people don’t agree with.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
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by BlueberryMuffin on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s just dumb.
Shogun winning would almost completely solve the “anderson sivla problem.” You get that belt out of Machida’s hands and you have 1 great title fight right there. Forrest can get a few wins and get a rematch with Shogun, Rampage would probably be more willing to fight Shogun than machida, and so on.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess the whole “close fights can’t be robberies” theory is out the window…
by Tonley on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't close
Shogun landed the most damage and forced Machida out of his game. Machida did very little that impacted Shogun.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 25, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
How about the 9000 straight lefts Machida landed in the first 3 rounds every time Shogun went for a kick.
In 4-5 he didn’t have enough juice to get those and he clearly lost, but come on.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, those were really effective
You can see how much power he had on those. Wow. So hard.
When did tapping people start counting as punches?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
9000?
By that standard, Shogun landed approximately 6 billion leg and body kicks.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Despite the fact that just about every left straight made Shogun fly backwards?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think jumping backwards is flying.
I call it dodging. When Machida does it, they call it “eluding”.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I scored it 48-47 Shogun...
but I can see how someone could see Lyoto potentially eeking out the first three rounds because of his left hand.
by Tonley on Oct 25, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly Nate most people and almost all major mma websites have sogun winning this fight 4 rounds to 1 some 5 to zip
by Shocbomb on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida did very little that impacted Shogun
Thats ludicrous. He knocked Shogun stumbling back into the cage at least five times during the fight on top of landing multiple thai plums where he landed 3-4 damaging knees to the body and the times he clipped Shogun as Shogun attempted to close the distance.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is considerably less than what Shogun did to Machida.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Round 3 is about the only round Machida could have arguably won.
The rest of the fight… other than one good counter right hand what the hell did he do besides literally get kicked around?
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Besides tag the body and legs with kicks to the point that he slowed down and stunted his movement, push and control the pace of the fight and land the harder shots pretty much nothing.
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF! Close vs. Robbery vs. Screwed vs. Injustice. What does it matter??
Doesn’t make it any better if someone gets screwed A LITTLE OR A LOT?
NO. Its injustice and ROBBERY NO MATTER HOW big or small the error is.
That is so ignorant to even think let alone say…
by ALMEGA on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. This thread is now over.
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by jebushchrist on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Machida had his game shut down.
by An0nymous on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There is no way Machida won three rounds of that fight. He was chased around the ring and had his ass handed to him. His legs were battered and his mid-section pummeled while he barely landed anything more than a love tap on shogun.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I fudging lost it, finished my beer got up and left the bar, with a red bull in one hand and my car keys in the other
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by Krawchuck on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seek help please.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Effective striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control…
by An0nymous on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun won 4 rounds in my books. I gave the third to machida because it was too close and he is the champion.
by bawzz on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OVERREACTIONS!
SONNEN IS G.OA.T
MACHIDA SUCKS OFF DANA
JOE STEVENSON IS A TOP 3 LW.
CAIN VELASQUEZ BEATING BEN ROTHWELL IS SUPRISING.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
You sir
Have summed it all up.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
enough out of clear cleverness
I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.
by Thulsa Doom on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of guys with a lot of emotional investment in Machida gonna be upset at this one.
by An0nymous on Oct 25, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3-2 is not a robbery
but all 3 judges?!?! when Buffer announced all 3 judges had it 48-47 I assumed a victory for Shogun. hell, I wouldnt of been mad at a split decision for Machida but I dont see how all 3 judges had it that way.
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by TitanFan2K on Oct 25, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats the reaction with everyone i was watching it with. … all 8 of us
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by MicahW on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
School for the blind?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what’s the difference? If you can see one person scoring it that way why can’t all three? It’s not like they check each others scores.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a random sample of three people saw the fight 3-2 Machida. If you got me, Anton, and Cannon to judge it, did we do something wrong?
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put up a poll. You guys are in the minority.
by cyph on Oct 25, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Rua (48-47 Rua)
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Rua (48-47 Rua)
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua (50-45 Rua
by cyph on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, 48-47 Rua twice..
and most rounds were close.. where’s the robbery? It’s just a decision some people don’t agree with.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the experts from Sherdog and BE thought Shogun won the fight… it’s a robbery.
by cyph on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I respect most of them..
That just isn’t true. Everybody is allowed to have their own opinions.
If anything this fight was a prime example of how the 10-point must system is not a good fit for MMA. According to that system, this was an incredibly close fight and could’ve gone either way.
Shogun did the most damage and Lyoto landed the most shots (IMO on both), what does that really mean? The judges via the 10 point must system saw it as Lyoto’s victory while the pundits saw it as Shogun’s.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s plenty of BE staff (me, Anton) who have Machida winning it, so what the fuck are you talking about?
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're talking about Pride Fanboyism, like in the good old days.
Yessss I missed these arguments.
TAKANORI GOMI IS CLEARLY THE BEST LW IN THE WORLD.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomi was P4P da best
Him and Fedor, if I remember right.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
Who are you guys again? FALL INTO LINE.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BE Staff
If ANYONE on the BE staff has Machida winning that fight you should be FIRED!!
by ALMEGA on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll have my resignation in tomorrow morning.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cannon too.
Luke scored it for Shogun but doesn’t think it’s a robbery..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did shogun win this or not? The definition of robberies have been discussed so much it actually made it look more important than it really is. At the end of the day, we just want to see the real winner win the fight, by an inch or a mile, roberry or not, it doesn’t matter.
UFC 104=> ben rothwell will UD the shit outta Velasquez.
Not.
by spectaa on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has a different definition of what constitutes a robbery.
But it’s clear that Shogun won.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because there were a couple of close rounds doesn’t mean there wasn’t a clear winner.
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by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter if he’s in the minority, “that should have been a split decision” is one of the stupidest comments that can possibly be made.
If you can understand that 1 person can score it one way, you should be able to understand how 3 people can do it.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s always a minority that judges a fight for one fighter over the other. That doesn’t make it less of a robbery.
by cyph on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying it wasn’t a robbery (right now) neither is Fagan, he’s saying that saying “I don’t see how all 3 judges had it that way” is a stupid thing to say.
You can think all 3 judges are wrong, but to expect the judges to disagree is silly.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than score the fight?
No. You did nothing wrong.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 25, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call. Didn't think of it like that...
I couldn’t see anyone giving the fight to Machida in the first place, but the thought that NOT ONE judge saw Shogun as winning that fight is a sign of either corruption or complete incompetence.
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you should take a basic statistics class.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should get your eyes checked, it’ll help you see reality better.
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun was pretty gritty too, right?
If only he was short, I could start making eckstein jokes.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Shogun definitely checked in high on the clutch factor as well.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea who won this fight.
If you think the judges SHOULD have disagreed, you’re an idiot. If you think every judge got it wrong, that’s fine. If you can’t comprehend that all 3 agreed, you’re dumb.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phildo and Limelight, please don't go over the line of going to personal insults.
can’t we all argue in a civilized manner?
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll try, but I’m getting a little fed up with the crying over the decision going the way some people didn’t agree with, I’m not talking about that here, neither is Fagan, we can talk about that other places in the comments.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough is Enough!
That fight should be INVESTIGATED and over turned. Not to mention the WIN bonus that Shogun lost!!
If Dana White doesn’t come and say something to defend Shogun about this Robbery he is a FRAUD!!
WTF were those judges smoking or watching? Maybe the Judges and refs should start taking DRUG TESTS!!
This BS is starting to happen FAR TO OFTEN lately in MMA.
by ALMEGA on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You gots to chill
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by capital L on Oct 25, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You gots to punctuate.
Also, conjugate.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its bizarre the judges all had it that way. It almost makes you wonder if they were bought.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there's no money angle in defending Machida
he’s not a draw.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Anderson fighting for the 205 belt could possibly be a big money fight, but I’ve never known conspiracy theorists let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
by Phildo on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pissed, I was pretty sure that Shogun won. It isn’t that huge a deal though, there will be a rematch soon—if Machida can even keep the belt long enough. He’s been exposed badly, and though not everybody in the elite has the physical tools to implement the gameplan Shogun used, Machida doesn’t have the tools to defend against it.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh
He had a bad night. He didn’t look himself from the start. A lot of things probably went into that. I strongly disagree with the notion that Machida doesn’t have the tools to defend against Shogun’s offense. The man mastered karate, jiu-jitsu, and frickin SUMO, and he doesn’t have the capability to tighten his game up to defend an onslaught of leg kicks??
I think this will be a good thing for him. Come rematch, he will have his head on straight, and be prepared. Especially if he has Silva mimicking Shogun in training every day.
by Grappo on Oct 25, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing Shogun crying backstage was heartbreaking.
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by themachiavellian on Oct 25, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's sad.. the guy put up a good fight..
best fight anyone has put against Lyoto.. either way, he’s still a winner in peoples eyes so it’s good too..
PS
no robbery. just a close decision.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree – I think Shogun should have won, but it was too close to be definitive.
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by themachiavellian on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah....
Machida was beaten,,, The decision was bad.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad decision that you don't agree with =/= robbery.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why you keep saying this. People think it was a robbery because they feel Shogun dominated. It’s not just because they disagree with it, it’s the extent to which they do so.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun #1 trending topic on twitter.
Since the majority of twitter is mentally challenged I’ll claim superiority.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be heartbreaking to come back from serious injuries, beat the crap out of the champ in a definitive fashion and then get screwed on the scorecards of evidently blind or idiotic judges.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Watch it on mute and if you still think its a robbery then we can talk, but the commentating was HORRENDOUS.
by Niles on Oct 25, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was somewhat one sided, but it means nothing.
I watched that fight. Shogun controlled the pace, paced the action and landed the harder shots. Other than the flurry at the end of the 3rd and a good counter right in the 4th Machida did nothing offensively.
I have never knocked him for not being the type to just stand there and get punched in the face. That just means he’s intelligent. But when all you do is avoid and not that effectively at that plus you put up no real offense? Sorry man…. You lost.
by Limelight on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Gross Tweets
Official scoring: Cecil Peoples gave R 1-3 to Machida, 4 & 5 Shogun. Same for Marcos Rosales. ‘Doc’ Hamilton had R1 & 5 Shogun, 2-4 Machida.
by TheChairman on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't see how lyoto won the fourth..
Cecil and Marcos are more spot on..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you people blind to
the diversity Machida used to counter every leg kick? FIght Metric will sort this out. MACHIDA won a razor close fight…
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like letting Shogun kick him in the leg repeatedly? Does that count as a counter?
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Machida always eats the leg kicks to hit his opponent.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you punch him in the head as he kicks you, yes it does.
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by MyFistYourFace on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ain’t saying it’s Machida’s finest hour. But he still won the fight.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately for Machida
he punched Shogun in the arms instead
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was about to say.
FightMetric analysis, please.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida was unable to do any damage to Shogun regardless of the counters. Where as Shogun did damage to Lyoto all 5 rounds.
by oasis77 on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point.
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Machida was landing some good shots, but it just so happened that Shogun was landing cleaner, and harder, shots at the exact same time.
Timing was big in this fight. Most exchanges involved each fighter landing big shots simultaneously.
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by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let me know when he can walk without a limp and we can discuss that
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How'd this end for you?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shane Carwin's tweet
@ShaneCarwin great night of fights. further proof you have to finish as the judges just can’t score MMA.
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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Carwin get’s it, if you let it go to the judges you have a 50/50 chance of winning no matter how dominate you were during the fight.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huge Machida fan here but..
Shogun won that fight. I didn’t even think it was all that close. Lyoto esssentially quit that last round imo.
by oasis77 on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I couldn’t hear a damn thing Joe or Goldberg were saying in the bar I was in and I still saw it as a terribly one sided fight.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dd you see Machida punching Shogun in the face every round?
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didn’t see it because Rogan never mentioned it.
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by MyFistYourFace on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Did you see Lyoto kicked in his ribs every round?
How bout his legs? How bout the elbows Shogun hit him with in the clinch? Or the knees to the legs? etc…
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I still contend a kick to the legs is not equal to a clean punch, and machida was countering shogun with a clean punch every kick in those first 3 rounds.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha not even close
Almost every single counter was blocked or whiffed.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan is clearly biased
but without that in play I don’t agree that Machida won
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by Thulsa Doom on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Punching" is a strong word for those love taps.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see Machida panting with his hands down and his mouth open as his will was broken.
Even though Shogun “lost” the fight, he put together the blueprint for beating Machida. Go to the body. Test his conditioning. Take him into the deep water.
Machida should do fewer katas and run more miles.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disgusting, I hope everyone that keeps talking about how all of these close fights aren’t robberies finally wake the fuck up. Shogun was robbed of the LHW title, he pulled a Griffin against Rampage and dominated and exposed the favored champion and was screwed over big time. This along with Nog/Ricco are probably the 2 worst decisions i’ve ever seen in my life.
MMA judging has gotten worse and worse and it’s up to us the fans to start calling for some heads. Too many fighters have been robbed this year alone for this bullshit to continue to happen it’s a disgrace. I’m a partial observed I don’t hug either guys nuts and just wanted to see a good fight but what I saw was a great performance by a fighter ruined by either inept or corrupt judges and this shit needs to stop before mma becomes worse than boxing.
by Raker on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This
I believe fightmetric will show shogun landed more strikes.
And I had money on Machida. And watched with sound down.
Not a robbery—you gotta beat the champ and take the belt. But Shogun won that fight.
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by thetakeover on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If you mean punching him in the forearms and doing not a like of damage – yes.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MMA fans are so fair weather. One day Machida is god. The next day is sucks. Give it a rest. Machida was always good for his weight class but BJ Penn showed that he can be hit.
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who said he sucks? People saying shogun was better doesn’t mean machida sucks.
UFC 104=> ben rothwell will UD the shit outta Velasquez.
Not.
by spectaa on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. Gettig pissed about all the crying...
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like overreacting too, but I won’t, it’s 06:38 here, actually 07:38 without the time thing, and I need my sleep, see ya.
UFC 104=> ben rothwell will UD the shit outta Velasquez.
Not.
by spectaa on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t think anyone here thinks that Machida sucks, just that Shogun today was better than he was.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My girlfriend who knows almost nothing about MMA got sick and tired of Rogan/Goldie talking about the leg kicks. She even asked me if they couldn’t see all of the other things that were going on in the fight….some landed hard, but some were even blocked and answered by a few hard shots.
by soadtrails on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So did Mine!!!!
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pics of GF?
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahahaha
Anton would like that, she’s Filipina ;-)
by soadtrails on Oct 25, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Filipinos are all over the world..
were trying to slowly invade countries en-route to world domination.. first stop, so-cal! haha
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My girlfriend’s co-worker just married a Filipino woman fresh from out of country.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 26, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave the balut at home...
but bring all the lumpia and pancit bihon you can
by soadtrails on Oct 26, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that ends that discussion. Soadtrails’ girlfriend saw it for Machida.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 25, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
that’s the sound of my point going right over your head.
by soadtrails on Oct 25, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My girlfriend who knows almost nothing about MMA….
Your girlfriend is Cecil Peoples?
by ufc4 on Oct 26, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t look like his forearms when his head snapped back
by Niles on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So does this mean The Dragon won’t be fighting Lesnar any time soon??
by Jason_73 on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correctumundo!
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After that fight I’m pretty sure Lesnar would rip him into pieces and use his head as a puppet.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you really think otherwise before this fight?
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need fightmetric on this asap
Fightmetric isn’t going to do anything for this fight, they proved that in the way they called the Guida/Sanchez fight. Where one guy got credit for landing his strikes while the other guy didn’t get any credit even though he landed his fare share of strikes too.It’s just as crappy as regular mma judges when it comes to scoring fights.
by Raker on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He thinks that Guida got robbed against Diego.
by Tonley on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you be a little more vague please.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for taking this opportunity to remind everyone how wrong you are about Guida/Sanchez.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s more like reminding everyone that I was right about the Guida/Sanchez fight and that anyone depending on fightmetric to stop all the controversy is out of their minds but your welcome anyway.
by Raker on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a robbery
Watch the fight on mute and without drinking. Machida in the first 2 rounds landed just as many leg kicks as Rua, or did you not see the welt on Rua’s side. Just because Rogan yells about Rua kick and nothing about Machida’s punches doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. Did everyone miss the two times Machida got the MT clinch and landed an handful of knees? Rogan missed it too.
I had it 3-2 Machida. My brother disagreed. It was close. Nate is overreacting just as much and Breen did in the Cerrone/Henderson fight.
by swells2048 on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Machida was working the knees hard on Shogun
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, I thought the knees to the body were the hardest shots of the night, and he landed several on shogun
by Niles on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes aside from the ones that left Machida looking like he got beaten up in a mob movie in some back alley.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the fight on mute and without drinking.
Is that possible?
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not now – we need to drown our sorows.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly
but if you were rooting for Machida, you’d want to drink as much as possible to give yourself disillusions that he won the fight.
I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.
by Thulsa Doom on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad decision or not it’s obvious that Lyoto didn’t look unbeatable. He scored some point strikes but it didn’t look like he had an idea how to fight.
by dancingChicken on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ll agree with that, I think it threw him off when Shogun simply would not throw first, he only threw counter leg kicks
by Niles on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. this is true.
Lyoto’s unbeatable aura just faded.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was speaking in terms of UFC robberies, not everyone knows of that Beebe fight nor UWC.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol well that was just a fail reply on my part.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
biggest robbery in MMA history, made me sick …. seems like mma is going down the same route that boxing took.
by DRExLOC on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You are clearly overreacting, and besides Hamill vs Bisping was a bigger robbery.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easton Beebe.
where have you guys been??
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was speaking in terms of UFC robberies, not everyone knows of that Beebe fight nor UWC
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one got screwed out of a title in that fight.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not but this fight is debatable while Hamill won that clearly.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun won the fight but the first rounds were so close that you will never get a everyone to agree unlike some of the aforementioned fights on this board.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering what was at stake… the belt, Machidas “invincibility” etc….Shogun was suppose to have that belt a long time ago and now hes been robbed in a fight that his opponent didnt even win one round.
by DRExLOC on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rutten/Randleman’s worse. Ricco/Nog too if memory serves.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way is it that bad.
Do I think it was a robbery? Yes. There was a clear winner, in my mind. Was it the worst ever? Hardly.
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by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definition of Robbery (so people stop saying to look it up)
1. the act, the practice, or an instance of robbing.
2. Law. the felonious taking of the property of another from his or her person or in his or her immediate presence, against his or her will, by violence or intimidation.
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by Deo Wade on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s an expression. It means a really implausible decision.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definition of Pedantry
(see above)
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exceedingly well played
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3. Shogun vs. Machida
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has the press conference started yet?
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They're waiting for Machida to be able to walk to the dais.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if Lyoto won, but maybe people were expecting such a dominant performance from him that anything less looked like a bad performance.
Either way this fight should be rewatched.
by dancingChicken on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point..
could’ve affected it also..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is something I’ve noticed a ton. Forrest/Rampage is a prime example.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that fight was just another example that some fans don’t think leg kicks count.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically I had Forrest winning that fight.
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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did. In rounds 2 and 5.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Shogun won, but I totally can’t deal with all of the histrionics. People are acting this is our generation’s version of the Kennedy assassination.
by Jahbulon on Oct 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reminder that Dream’s in 30 if you haven’t already died from an aneurysm
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahh yes thx for that, with all of this robbery talk i forgot about it.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just waiting for Lyoto's rock album
Titled “Use Your Allusion.”
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That was a pretty bad misspell on whoever’s part.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lyoto is a scholar.
He enjoys scholarly pursuits.
He was using allusions on the judges tonight.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read Dana's lips
And he told Shogun he thought he won
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by thetakeover on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure he exact words were “Fuck these judges man, you fucking won that fucking fight, i mean what the fuck”.
But I’m not the greatest at reading lips.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre GD right he did
I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.
by Thulsa Doom on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joke of a decision
I can’t see any plausible way Lyoto won that fight.
Number of strikes landed – Shogun battered Lyoto’s legs/midsection all night. Lyoto did land the straight left, but no where near the frequency of Shogun’s kicks
Power strikes – Machida could barely walk back to the dressing room. Shogun barely looked like he was in a fight.
Octagon aggression – Machida looked like he wanted to QUIT in the 4th. He knew he was “losing” at that point, and still wanted no part of pursuing Shogun.
Say all you want about Machida “rightfully” winning the fight, but even LYOTO didn’t think he won. They had to forcefully raise his hand after the bell rang. I usually don’t get too upset about decisions, but this one has me scratching my head.
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yo Shogun, I’m really happy for ya. I’mma let you finish. But Machida had one of the best fights of all time!
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I'd pay..
To see Lyoto in those shades.
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by D.W. on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida needs haterblockers right now.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re doing an awesome work already.
UFC 104=> ben rothwell will UD the shit outta Velasquez.
Not.
by spectaa on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would think the Kanye jokes would be old by now, but they are still as good as the first time.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...or as bad
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not gonna lie, that was funny as hell haha
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Frank Mir
Miguel Torres won the LHW title
by IRodC on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I laughed.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i see this joke one more time...
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Mir scored your comment 50-42.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I do feel bad for Machida though
He’s going to catch a lot of unlawful backlash from this decision.
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t blame Machida for any of this. He lost to a superior fighter. It’s the judges who deserve the scorn (along with Dana White and Joe Silva if there isn’t an immediate rematch).
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Virginia State Athletic Commission has overturned the bout, and Mike Easton is your winner.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Link?
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Dream…people get punched in that.
by omigawda on Oct 25, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Bday Present
A controversial desicion towards Machida. I like Machida but….I didn’t like the fight. The ONYL possible wa that he could’ve won is if it was 1 kick by Shogun vs 2-3 counter unches by Machida. Thats the only possible way, other than that…..Shogun got robbed.
by Krimson on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DANA JUST SAID THERE WILL BE A REMATCH
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent news. Good to see Dana and Co. have their heads in the right place.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So apparently....
Some legand body kicks should earn you a title. I hate to oversimplify this but geeeeeeez!!!! Yes some rounds could have gone either way but this is not a robbery. Its a decision that some people thought could go either way. I watched with three people ( two of them shogun marks) and everyone thought that: 1: the score was legit and 2: the commentating was insanely favoring shogun, thereby clouding peoples judgment. Shogun landed nothing more than leg and body kicks. Machida landed the same, plus knees and some effective strikes. Far from a robbery. More like a perfect decision based on wgat happened in the fight.
by MauiPimpin on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yes if you ignore the fact that Shogun controlled the fight, beat the crap out of Machida to the point that Machida could hardly move at the end of it while Shogun could have fought another three rounds and imagined Machida’s punches landing and doing damage – I’m sure it looked like he won the fight.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way you present your arguement
You make it sound like you think that UFC titles can and should only be obtained through knock-outs, submissions or repeated punches to the face.
That’s a retarded point of view frankly.
by DJDace on Oct 26, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those leg kicks, aside from being lauded by Rogan every single time, were easier to see than the straight lefts Machida landed at practically every time for the first 3 times. But they didn’t make the slapping sound Rua’s made. I mean it was controversial, yes, but a total robbery? Uhhh, I think people should just get a good nights sleep. I could’ve seen it go either way, but when one fighter finishes the fight with strong rounds the way Shogun did, it’s easy to forget how competitive the previous were.
Those leg kicks were nasty, but Machida wasn’t ever in any trouble. I can think of a couple of times where Shogun was looking pretty rattled.
And in the last round, when Machida was so battered and gassed as people claim he was, why wasn’t Shogun eagerly trying to finish the fight?
by Dooda on Oct 25, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol @ Dana telling Shogun and Machida how to fight.
by An0nymous on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he has a point though
these guys had to know it was close, and even a few late flurries could’ve decided the fight
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are completely ridiculous
It was anything but a robbery. I just got back from the fight. I had the first three rounds to Machida and the last two to Shogun. Im pretty sure the refs saw it exactly the same way. Shogun pushed the action but was getting cliped every time he attempted to close the distance and ended up taking knees to the body from the thai plum multiple times in the fight.
Nate normally I agree with your work but to call this decision a robbery and then follow up with how great the Cain win was (By FAR the worst robbery of the night) is totally offbase.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
Cain completely dominated that fight. The fight should’ve been stopped earlier. Rothwell was pounded.
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whether he was losing the fight is completely beside the point. The stoppage was totally incorrect.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it appeared to me that Mazzagatti went to stop the fight right before Ben decided to try and standup – oh well Ben
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I don’t think Ben was going to win the fight but if Maz steps in to stop the fight and the circumstances that caused him to decide to end the fight change before he steps in then he needs to react on the fly.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so stop then start again we’ve seen how that can turn out – Herb Dean made that mistake in a Arlovski fight (don’t remember his opponent) but Herb went to stop the fight with Arlovski on his back and his opponent on top and big mouth Randy was yelling Herb don’t stop the fight (or something like that) when Herb had them resume Arlovski sucker punched the guy
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so stop then start again we’ve seen how that can turn out
He hadn’t stopped anything. He didn’t touch the fighters (and they didn’t see or react to him) until after Rothwell got to his feet. The problem with the Yves stop and start was that he put his hands on the fighter (which is the point where the fighter knows he is supposed to stop fighting). Completely different situations.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Rothwell ate more than 30 unanswered power punches and wasn’t intelligently defending himself. You’re being ridiculous.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He moved from a prone position back to standing (where he was at an advantage). That is the definition of intelligently defending himself.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how in Gods name is Cain's fight a robbery?
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the referee steps in and stops a fight when a fighter is standing up and not in danger he has literally robbed that fighter of a chance to continue the fight.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a robbery
because Cain should’ve finished the fight (if he could) with a KO and TKO not by a bullshit judges decision! I was pulling for Rothwell but Cain was clearly winning. Steve M. robbed Cain of a clear and just fight. Since Maz-a-fucky screwed the decision Cains’ win is a “little” flawed. Cain should’ve won on his own term not Steve Maz-a-fuckballs!
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by Thulsa Doom on Oct 25, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
by a bullshit Ref’s decision!
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by Thulsa Doom on Oct 25, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps...
but Cain beat the shit out of him before the ref’s stoppage, and there was no evidence that the tide would’ve been turned. I don’t see Cain’s win as “flawed”, he completely dominated every facet of that fight
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that in any way a legitimate argument? Well…Cain was winning the fight and I doubt Rothwell was going to come back so its ok to stop the fight in a situation not warranting it?
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a fighter can get himself hurt standing up or on the ground
teh stoppage was well overdue and justified
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Rothwell no longer intelligently defending himself?
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fighter safety is the priority
and Rothwell’s safety was in jeopardy IMO
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I can’t argue with your opinion and obviously Maz agreed. My opinion is that the timing of the stoppage was ridiculous and was completely unfair to both Cain and Rothwell.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see Ben defend himself at all
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He went from a grounded position to a standing position. How is that not improving his position and by definition defending himself?
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am stating in general that several times in that fight he was not and did not defend himself – right before the stoppage he was not defending himself and just before Mazz stopped the fight Ben started to get up from his downed position
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont think you can say, “well I probably could have stopped it 10 seconds ago so even though the fighter who was in trouble is no longer in that position Im going to step in anyway”. Maz has to react to the situation as its happening thats pretty much his job.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought that once the ref is in motion to end a fight he has to end the fight; once he reached in and touched both fighters to end that fight he had to follow thru with that
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that, however, he hadn’t touched the fighters until after Rothwell stood up and didn’t make any fight ending motion he just moved towards the fighters.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we can go back and forth but if he had went in to stop but then didn’t and Ben capitalized on that then everyone would be upset with Mazzagatti for that – I understand why he stopped the fight and am not all that upset about it – I should be being that I had money on Ben
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not, but it should be up to the fighters to decide the fight and Rothwell had just gotten into the position where he had a shot to win the fight and that was taken from him by bad refereeing.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Refs stop fights all the time. How is this even an argument.
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it was both an early and a late stoppage.
It could have easily been stopped earlier during the numerous times Rothwell was getting his head bashed it. Since it wasn’t, it shouldn’t have been stopped when it was, since Ben was getting back to his feet.
That said, barring some kind of hail mary mother of god type miracle, the stoppage wouldn’t change the outcome, and probably save Ben from some serious brain damage.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is what I was trying to iterate, but
I’m too drunk….
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A late stoppage is where a ref stopped the fight after a fighter was unable to defend himself and took extra defensless damage because of the referees slow reactions. Making an argument that a stoppage earlier in the fight may have been legitimate in no way legitimizes a completely incorrect stoppage.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll let you guy discuss about the definition of robberies and come back when you’re done (so probably, never).
UFC 104=> ben rothwell will UD the shit outta Velasquez.
Not.
by spectaa on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres what i think:
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he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Josh Gross is rewatching the fight without commentary and just gave Lyoto the first three rounds.
by Tonley on Oct 25, 2009 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://twitter.com/SI_JoshGross
This was not a robbery folks. R4 was close and much slower than I originally thought. Shogun slight edge w/a couple solid kicks. 10-9 Rua.
Combo by Machida at the end of R3 is the difference. 10-9. I can see how judges — w/o hearing commentary — gave 1-3 to Machida.
Competitive R2. I had Machida doing enough to earn it 10-9.
Re-watching fight w/o sound. R1 was tight as can be. Can score it either way. Have no problem with Machida or Shogun winning that round.
by Tonley on Oct 25, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my impression watching the fight live at Staples without the commentary.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No real issue here with the judges’ scoring. Live I had R1 for Shogun. Replayed it was effectively 10-10. Rematch please.
Fifth was the best, most decisive round of the fight. It goes to Shogun (10-9) because of aggression and landed strikes.
by Tonley on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On first watch
I had 1-3 for machida…but all very close. 4-5 were decisively Shogun. Then I watched again and scored it about the same. I would have been happy with either fighter winning, or with the fight being called a draw. There’s no robbery here, just a close decision on a competitive fight. The commentating was super annoying…much more pleasant the second time I watched the fight without it. Look forward to a rematch…and all the articles about how shogun “solved the machida puzzle”. LOL.
by gocjeffe on Oct 25, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if you don’t agree that he won, you have to give him props. he did solve the puzzle.
Machida is a god
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will give you that, Shogun fought an amazing fight and was extremely competitive against a fighter that had basically shut down all of the offense thrown at him by his previous UFC opponents.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s stupidly obvious in hindsight – Machida relies on his quickness, so take it away. Duh. Shoulda realized it sooner.
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by themachiavellian on Oct 25, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right about now greg jackson is going
“doh, why didn’t I think of that?”
Machida is a god
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mad props to Shogun
but still not sure he “solved the puzzle.” From the outset, Machida looked off his game to me. Little feinting, less movement, he appeared generally slower, attempted no takedowns or trips from the clinch, much more hesitant to throw… Shogun fought a very smart fight, and I think he won, but I’m not sure how much was Shogun neutralizing Machida’s game, and how much was Machida just not being all there. Have to watch again.
by Grappo on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad.
he gave lyoto rds 2-3, and rua rds 4-5. said 1st could go either way….
by Tonley on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was in a room full of Machida fans, and even they think he lost. this easily compares to the Forrest fight with Rampage. except it went the opposite way.
by pop_gun_war on Oct 25, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The impact of having Rogan virtually cheering Rua on is what this is mostly about. Rogan should sell his timeshare on Ruas nuts or at least make a disclaimer that he makes no pretense to being an objective observer. Ridiculous levels of partisanship in the commentary.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i watched that fight virtually without listening to Rogan. regardless, Shogun layed out the perfect gameplan for Lyoto. win or lose, Machida relies on his balance and his base, and disabling that, Shogun showed that Machida holes.
by pop_gun_war on Oct 25, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do have to agree with the notion of “to be the champ you have the BEAT the champ,” though.
by pop_gun_war on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rua did a great job, far and away the best challenge ever for Machida. That’s undeniable. But he didn’t really win the fight.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can argue that Machida did not “win” it either. eh, time to watch Dream. (-;
by pop_gun_war on Oct 25, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody really won that fight =/
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i might have to agree with you. REMATCH. unlimited rounds. definite winner.
by pop_gun_war on Oct 25, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida even said he'd be fine with a rematch
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was he going to say no?
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he said no, he’d spent the next several years being accused of ducking Shogun because everyone knows Shogun won the fight the first time.
by ChrisBat on Oct 25, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When, after any fight, did a fighter say he wasn’t okay with a re-match?
by Dooda on Oct 25, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just in case the UFC is watching and they care about volume of complaint
bullshit decision, I and a friend watched together and I had it 50-45 Shogun and He had it 49-46 Shogun. To find Machida winning by unanimous decision was a disgusting result and we both decided that MMA is officially taking steps towards boxing. IMO the only acceptable result is a rematch in a different state.
FUCKED decision. (pardon my french but ive literally never been so upset ver a fight)
at least dream 12 is starting….
by Gerrymanderer on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun didn't win the fight, he made it interesting.
If he wanted to win, he would’ve, you know, hurt the champ. Or taken him down. Or dominated a round.
Listen, I think Shogun won 1 round clearly lost 2 rounds clearly, and left 2 rounds up in the air. Least Shogun showed up in shape for the first time in 3 years.
And based on the last round, neither guy “demanded a win”. They both fought tentatively.
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by jebushchrist on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurt the champ?
Lyoto could barely walk back to the dressing room…
by WestbergIDFC on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
... are we now judging how people look after a fight?
Please. At least Shogun finally got into shape.
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by jebushchrist on Oct 25, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wanted Machida to win more than anything
but I cant stand this talk that he won the fight. Rua should have and should be the current Champ. Blackout612 and I drank to Rua’s honor tonight!
DANA SHOULD ANNOUNCE A REMATCH WITHIN THIS MONTH IF HE BELIEVES THAT RUA WON!
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by Thulsa Doom on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana all but announced the rematch at the post-fight press conference. Said he wanted an immediate rematch.
So, yeah…
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by a tommy point on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said that about Forrest and Rampage too
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fact is, every round was close. I dont think there was a great disparity in damage inflicted. Even though Machida was that active with his hands he still threw more punches than Rua and looked better in the clinch overall. Shogun did more stalking so I htink that won his cause over with most fans. Anyway, we’ll see a rematch soon and I’ll double down on Machida ..probably
by naturalist on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In a telling sign, as he waited for the scorecards to be announced, Machida stood with his head down, looking solemn and preparing for bad news. It never came. All three judges scored the bout 48-47 for Machida, giving him his eighth consecutive victory in the UFC.
Even the champ thought he should have lost that one.
by cyph on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cause nobody else looks nervous before a decision in a close fight. Machida would have to have been delusional not to be scared of losing that decision. Doesn’t mean a thing.
by toxic on Oct 25, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only "robbery" I saw was Rothwell getting "TKO'd" while actually fighting and standing
Course, he never dominated in Pride, so I guess it’s OK that he got hosed.
I mean these calls of robbery are so insulting to the fighters.
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by jebushchrist on Oct 25, 2009 2:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His feet were touching the ground,
but that doesn’t mean he was fighting
by George Lucas on Oct 25, 2009 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Shogun had the fight stopped in the same fashion the internet would end.
I just think it’s poor form to call this fight a robbery, particularly when there was a more egregious stoppage on the same card.
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by jebushchrist on Oct 25, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMAJunkie scores it for Rua.
Yahoo scores it for Rua.
MMAWeekly scores it for Rua.
MMAFanhouse scores it for Rua.
Sherdog scores it for Rua.
BloodyElbow scores it for Rua.
When is a robbery not a robbery again?
by cyph on Oct 25, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions 17 recs
FUCK YES.
Also, I like how the discussion here works: If you think Shogun won, you’re just a Shogun fan and are whining because your fighter lost. But if you think Machida won, it can’t POSSIBLY be that you’re a huge Machida fan who feels like you have to justify the last 6 months of posts about how Machida will never lose and this is the Machida Era and Shogun will never lay a glove on Machida and on and on and on.
Definitely not that.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer reality...
different people value different things and scored close rounds one way or the other. Hooray for diversity in viewing!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess you're just going to ignore what's going on in the comments then? :-)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 26, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are always people, who want to think the opposite, no matter what the subject is.
by grein on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd!
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 2:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the announcing was terrible
ALL Rogan and Goldberg were talking about were Shogun’s leg kicks. There were scores of exchanges where Shogun landed a kick, but Machida would land a punch or another kick. Maybe Shogun’s was hitting harder. Every flurry, Rogan talked about Shogun but failed to mention anything Machida may have done.
And I’m not saying that Shogun didn’t win, but what I am saying is that if you watched that fight without the volume on I think you might look at it different, like the judges did. There was some awfully, and I mean awfully, close rounds. I thought Shogun only clearly won round 1.
Controversial? Yes. Robbery? No. A fight that close, whichever way it drops, can’t be considered robbery.
by mason_beer on Oct 25, 2009 2:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, but how can light punches count more than hard leg/body kicks? and besides that, Shogun actually blocked many of the punches Machida threw and countered with a kick.
Machida is a god
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The punches weren’t light. Nether were the knees to the body or the kicks.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at the fightmetric data, it just came out
Machida is a god
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by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fightmetric gave shogun an advantage in three of the five rounds. They gave round one to Shogun completely on the basis of leg kicks.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say that were? Im specifically addressing the fallacy that Machida’s punches were light.
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by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“…but failed to mention anything Machida may have done”
That’s because Machida didn’t do much in the first place.
by NinjaCodah on Oct 25, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html
Fightmetric report is already up. They scored it for Rua.
by Jahbulon on Oct 25, 2009 2:56 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
pretty much
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
i guess the BCS champion is the clear cut best each year too, right?
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, good point.
The majority of people who watched the fight thought Shogun won. The majority of MMA bloggers thought Shogun won. The EVIDENCE shows that Shogun won. This is JUST LIKE the BCS.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 25, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like it or not
the majority of people are uneducated and/or watched the fight with Joe Rogan cheerleading for Rua.
People will go back and watch it again, sans Rogan and if theyre not being ridiculous, they will understand that this decision wasn’t as crazy as everyones pretending it is.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
People like FightMetric?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 26, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robbery
You have to be biased big time to give this fight to Machida. I loved Machida, I thought he would annihilate Shogun. He didn’t, not even one bit.
This is a shame.
by NinjaCodah on Oct 25, 2009 2:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hopefully everyone will read the fightmetric report and see the light I think Fightmetric is a good resource for these types of issues
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 25, 2009 3:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fight metric has two rounds where Machida did more damage and three for Shogun (they gave round one to Shogun based almost entirely on leg kicks which I completely disagree with). Either way its not some crazy one sided report.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are leg kicks stupid??
Isnt it true that you cant cripple and even stop a fighter with them??
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one said leg kicks are stupid
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 25, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure where you’re getting that. I think leg kicks can be very effective. I said I disagree with the way fight metric assigned points to the leg kicks in this fight (in particular the first round) in order to decide who won the round.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why do you disagree with fightmetric?? Why should leg kicks not be counted??
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with fight metric because the leg kicks that were landed were given way more value than they should be in calculating who did more damage. I had yet to hear anyone talk about how Shogun clearly won the fight due to his leg kicks but when you look at fight metric they made up almost the totally of damage they gave to Shogun in the first round (the other four rounds they had split between shogun and machida).
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida admitted that legs kick affected him and he felt it more than his ribs. So why do you think leg kicks didn’t do damage? It was the deciding factor.
by cyph on Oct 25, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admitting leg kicks affecting him at the end of a five round fight is not the same as saying that the kicks in the first round were extremely damaging.
Also I didn’t say the kicks didn’t do damage I said I dont think they did more damage than Machida was able to do with his knees and punches in the first round.
And no they weren’t the deciding factor in anything.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure they were, Machida was limping bad in the fourth and fifth, those were all from the added leg kick, which is damage.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 25, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can they be the deciding factor, what did they decide? Shogun lost the fight.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 25, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs