Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Will Face the Winner of Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin for the UFC Heavyweight Title
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 2, 2009 9:40 AM EDT
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According to reports, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira will be getting the next shot at the UFC Heavyweight Championship:
Inside Fights has confirmed a Wrestling Observer Newsletter report that Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira will face the winner of the Nov. 21 Brock Lesnar/Shane Carwin fight.
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, who is coming off an impressive victory over Randy Couture, will have to put his desire for a rematch with Frank Mir on hold, since it seems that he will be getting the next shot against the winner of Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin. No date or event has been announced yet, but they say that it will probably happen early 2010.
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awesome fight...
we will get to see if nog can still be beaten to a pulp and still pull out the submission victory…
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nice scoop, weoX3
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Nogueira will get destroyed
He can’t take shots from Carwin or Lesnar like he did with Couture and still be conscious. Plus I doubt he’ll have the power to knock either down or the wrestling skills to put either on their backs. As long as the winner of Carwin/Lesnar doesn’t immediately shoot and work from Nogueira’s guard this should be a relatively painless win for them.
Really?
You are comparing Bob Sapp to Lesnar & Carwin?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Keep telling yourself that...
…maybe one day in about 500 years, someone may agree with you. lol.
But does Randy have the power that Brock and Shane possess?
It’d be “Goodnight Irene” if Carwin hit Big Nog with that.
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Question is would Nog be standing and throwing like that if he was fighting against Lesnar? I would like to think that he would the only reason he was leaving his chin open like this is because he knew he could take those shots and I doubt he would leave the same opportunity for Lesnar.
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 2, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Question is would Nog be standing and throwing like that if he was fighting against Lesnar?
Would he have a choice? The fight will take place wherever Brock or Shane wants it to take place.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Exactly.
Does anyone think that Nog planned on taking shots from Randy because he didnt think Randy’s power could hurt him? Doubtful considering those tiny gloves & it wasnt like Mir was exactly known as a power striker prior to their fight. Nog has really never been “elusive” when it comes to avoiding damage & he would likely be in for a short night w/either Lesnar or Carwin.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Lesnar isn’t really that great of a boxer…
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
would it matter?
Mir was also the better kickboxer..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 2, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you guys like to pretend staph infection can’t make a person weaker and more vulnerable, but I hear doctors presume differently.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
orcus, do you only root for brazilians? just curious, not trying to start anything
by cagefightonacid on Oct 2, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I will acknowledge that I am biased, but this has more to do with me being a long time fan of Big Nog than he being Brazilian. Second, I really do think Nog has much more experience to beat an inexperienced Lesnar (who hasn’t shown he can really be all he is made to be by ppl here on the blogsphere to keep the title after one defense). People are jumping on Lesnar’s ship just because he is big and strong. I still think technique beats strength any day of the week.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
So...
A 50lb blackbelt could probably kick my ass huh…
There’s a certain point where technique can not overcome strength.
find me a 50 lb black belt.
lets find out.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 3, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
btw
there are many Brazilians I do not like and cheer against, such as Thiago Silva and Hermes Franca.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
being bias is understandable, i’m a little bias but usually only if i’ve never heard of the guys. my favorite fighters are from all over the world. no offence meant but it seems brazilian culture is much more blindly nationalistic than the US (brazilians not liking to fight each other, etc)… just wanted to get your input, thanks! and how can you not like thiago silva?!
by cagefightonacid on Oct 2, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thiago is a playboy, and I hate playboys
The thing about Brazilians not fighting one another is a myth though, usually people from the same camp don’t like fighting each other (you guys have that problem too, ala AKA), sometimes also people that used to train together and no longer does (such as Shogun and Wandy), would also not fight against each other. I accept this reality, because I wouldn’t want to see a fight where both guys are not giving their all, and I’d be afraid they would keep things back should they fight. Brazilians fight each other all the time, smaller Brazilian shows are a prime example if you can find them on youtube (Bitetti, Jungle Fight, Fury FC, etc). We (in general), do like match ups where a Brazilian fights a non-Brazilian in an international venue such as the UFC, it is more exciting to us in general (but for Brazilian hard-core fans this doesn’t really matter, it can be Brazilian against Brazilian). Sorry for all that I wrote, just typing as the way I see things from my perspective, we can get lost in words sometimes :P
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
btw
I’d also like to add that I’m a proud fan of many American fighters.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
thanks!
i appreciate your lengthy response, you answered my questions
by cagefightonacid on Oct 2, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like the throat slash thing :\
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
and Vera's dance,
and brock’s antics,
and mayhem’s… face? haha. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 2, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Veras dance annoys me.
I find Brocks antics and the throat slash to be disrespectful to the opponents (and Titos gravedigging, and all crap like that). My theory is – you won, why be a jerk about it?
Mayhem just annoys the hell out of me.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Absolutely
he just copies the Tito thing.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i love it, especially the time he shrugged afterwards
by cagefightonacid on Oct 2, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa whoa, slow down... where did that come from?
All i said was Mir was a better kickboxer than Brock and it didn’t matter, so i asked if Nog being a better boxer would?
how did you reach staph infection from that?
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 2, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I just presumed you were making a reference to Nog getting tko’d :P I misread what you wrote, my bad.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
You should be in a better mood Orcus-
Rio just got the Olympic bid.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I know!
I was watching it live. good times, we got the world cup 2014 and the onlympics 2016. I’m gonna have a hell of time going to all the games!
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
I know, that was why I was kind
of surprised they got the bid because the world cup is going to cost a ton of money. Should be cool though.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
yeah
and the gorvernment is promising to invest 13 billion on Rio for the olympics. it’s going to be money well spent though, that city needs it, crimes are off the hook there (in a bad way).
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
fucking Brazilian gorvernment
only invests in the social needs when the international community is coming over.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
Of course,
but they are likely no different than most goverments in that respect.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I was actually just talking about power.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I'd hope that he didn't too.
But he seems to be pretty confident in his boxing as of late.
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Unfotunately Nog fights like that against everyone
His chin ego is his most vulnerable aspect. If he focuses with Anderson and Machida on defensive head- & foot-work, then maybe. But otherwise this is unfortunate.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Brock & the team are already training to fight him standing and avoid the guard pulls>sweeps and throws.
But man, I hope I’m wrong. After his dismantling of Handy he could be in for some serious success in the UFC since many fans will believe he can beat almost anyone. The Brock fight should do big numbers even moreso than just the Lesnar stamp would.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Brock & the team are already training to fight him standing and avoid the guard pulls>sweeps and throws.
I’d be surprised if Brock & the team are training to fight him at all right now…
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
It probably wouldn’t be much different than training for Mir.
Look how that fight went, sit in half guard, hulk smash. He went down into guard once and immediately stood up. he knows what his weaknesses are, the best way to avoid guard sweeps is to avoid guard.
and they look so much alike.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
i'll give you guys this
Mir after his loss to Lesnar looked more like Nog :P
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
I’m not saying they’re 100% the same, but his gameplan against mir, of staying out of the guard at all costs, is probably a similar gameplan that he’ll take against Nog.
I don't think
Lesnar will have a choice, if the fight hits the mat. The guard/ half guard is the base for almost all of Nog’s game, and Lesnar (or Carwin) will have to be VERY careful inside there. He may have a good base because he’s a wrestler, but so does Randy, and Nog flipped him over like a little girl with his guard sweep.
Brock/ Shane’s best shot against Nog is to employ a Fedor-esque strategy, where you punish him with big shots while Nog tries to put together his crisp combos, and when he clinches up, toss him on his ass, posture up, and rain down bombs (or else just stand up out of his guard) and beat him up in general.
I’m not entirely sure that Carwin or Lesnar could beat Nog from his guard like Fedor did, but I do think that they could sprawl/ brawl
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 3, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree hears why – Maybe the power of bolth Lesnar and Carwin is much much greater but most fighters Nog has went up againstin his career this has been the case. I think if some how Carwin gets passed Brock Nog would be a favorite going into a Carwin fight also ? Nogueira’s pure boxing and foot work is way better then Shanes and Brcoks if he can avoid that BIG shot and I am not even sure that BIG shot from eather on the feet will put him out cold like you do I think he can win a decision on the feet from avoiding there power . Also on the ground Nog is not winning this fight on top unless he pulls of a sweep from bottom so his wrestling means shit. HE is winning this fight like alot of fights he was got a w in from his guard. I can see him Putting bolth Broack and Carwin in a Arm bar with there long arms. Who knows though thats why they fight them its a fight I was happy to hear about and can’t wait to see.
I could see Big Nog submitting either Lesnar or Carwin. But this kinda sucks for Cain Velasquez. He was promised the next title shot against the winner of Lesnar / Carwin. Seems like there has been a ton of backpeddling on who gets which next title shot these days.
It's All about the Benjamins.
Money talks louder than anything else, and right now after that fantastic fight with Couture the UFC can sell Nog more than Cain, Ex Champ vs Champ, Old School Pride vs new UFC Powerhouse etc..
I do wonder what they will do with Cain if he does beat Rothwell, maybe make him vs Mir if he wins or perhaps Gonzaga?
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 2, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
because Cain has really earned that one
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 2, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
this is the UFC
Marquardt was also promised a title shot, so was Hendo, so was Okami and many others. This is the UFC :P
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SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
Cain Velasquez, after every one of his wins, always states that he wants more fights and just more time in the Octagon, and I think that is what he needs as well. Even if he beats Rothwell, Velasquez still comes off as somewhat green to me in that he still makes glaring mistakes (i.e. Kongo fight), and we have yet to see his finishing ability against higher level Heavyweights. I am a fan of Velasquez actually, and I hope that he gets more experience before getting a Title shot because I want to see him fight for a Title when he really is ready.
I'll admit to being
pretty surprised by this. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to complain. In another post ufc4 wondered why no one was talking about Nog as a title contender, and I noted He only had the win over Randy since his loss to Mir almost a year ago. He’s been inactive and his only recent win was vs. a guy older than him who was also coming off a loss. This is a bit of a quizibuk.
What’s a quizibuk?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Funny enough
I got it from a show that used to come on late nights before The Tick (great animated show, or greatest animated show?) on Comedy Central called The Critic. I believe it meant something that was a problem.
It does not matter
No one will beat THE BROCKLESNAR.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 2, 2009 10:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nog has the best chance of beating either Brock or Shane in the whole division.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Because
he can take three rounds of this from either guy before hoping to catch them in a submission?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
You guys are overestimating brocks ko power… Yeah he gets tkos via several GNP shots, yet even though he’s gotten some direct shots at people hasn’t really kod anyone with one shot
by kanodogg on Oct 2, 2009 10:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ask Herring about that.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Herring wasn’t KOed with one shot, or with 1000 shots for that matter.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
First, it looked like Brock was faking a shot. Second, I think I remember Herring mentioning that he thought Brock couldn’t hit him from that range.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Well, Randy also thought he’d ducked the punch that Brock caught him with. Lesnar’s range is off the charts.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Oct 2, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oddly, your anigifs support kanodoggs argument.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Has Brock hit anyone on the button yet with a good punch? I thought the Herring punch connected more or less to his eye area.
I don’t think he has. I’m pretty sure he’d KTFO someone with a flush shot to the jaw.
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Sadly
I think we could see the first ever in ring death in mma.
meh
But if the arm is ripped off, and then used to bludgeon the person to death… would that be death by armbar? hmm…
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I think Brock’s top game beats Nogs bottom game.. Brock wont leave space to be swept, as evident in the Mir fight.
Brock wont stay in Nogs full guard.. He’ll go to half guard and control his posture and pound on him, if he doesn’t drop him first.. Brock’s wrestling tells me that he dictates where that fight goes.. If he want’s Nog down, he’ll take him down.. If he want’s to keep it standing, he’ll keep it standing.. If he gets to the ground and want’s to get up, he can.. Nog would have to catch him in order to set up a submission.. I dont think we’ll see Brock caught as easily as he was 2 years ago..
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If NOg wins then UFC will shut the fuck up about Fedor's case...
But i think BROCKLESNAR will murder Big Nog…and it will be the never ending story!
Lets face it, Nog has some of the best boxing skills and he is a beast on the ground, how does Brock win this?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Mir also had wayyy better kickboxing and is also a beast on the ground..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 2, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but Mir got fooled by Brock being hesistant and evasive from his striking. I think tht really tripped him up.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
We have already discussed that if Mir truly
thought Brock was only going to stand with him then he was an idiot. But if Brock lands on Nog like Randy did it is good night Big Nog.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Mir is not that mentally strong though. He is known for giving up when the fight does not go his way. Don’t get me wrong though because I think that Lesnar would beat Nogueira in similar fashion as he beat Mir (on the ground by GnP), but I think that if Nogueira were in the same positions that Mir was in against Lesnar, Nogueira would in my opinion be more active in trying to escape those positions (Mir seemed to have just given up). It’s not saying much because I think that Lesnar would still win though.
IMO Nog is mentally way tuffer then MIr....
the problem is Brock’s top game is very good, and he shifts his 300 Lb body in such ways that it traps the fighter underneath. i mean look at how Mir could not get out because his hands were trapped, behind his back. i never seen anyone finish a fight in that position. it just shows you how good of a wrestler he is.
How in the bloody hell is this old man fighting for the title?
Mir destroyed this guy and was then summarily destroyed by Lesnar. WTF?
He is a year and a month older than Lesnar actually.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
In human years yes,
but in fight years he is like 25 years older than Lesnar.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
You partake of recreational drugs don’t you? You never did answer my origianl question; do you think Big Nog has a shot at either Carwin or Lesnar?
Nog is not the same as Mir.
Mir is the type of aggressive submission fighter who likes to go out and grab a limb and rip it off as fast as he can so he doesn’t risk getting his face broken.
Nog is the type of pasive submission fighter who is willing to take punishment on his back for 2 or 3 rounds while searching for submission attempts. Nog also relies on wrist control to control opponents in the guard, and try for sweeps.
Nog is not a good stylistic matchup for SHANECARWIN or BROCKLESNAR. I predict a 2nd or 3rd round stoppage.
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Why do I have to answer all your questions but you can’t answer any of mine?
When did KO become the only method of victory in the UFC, did they change the rules recently?
Nog is a top 5, former interim HW champion, coming off a victory against another top fighter who is a former HW champion.
That is how he has EARNED the shot. He has as good of a chance if not a better chance than anyone else to beat Brock or Carwin, so that is why he deserves the fight. If you’re saying he shouldn’t be there, even though he’s a top 5 fighter, I’m sure you have someone lined up who has done more to earn the shot and will definitely win, right?
This news made my day. I now hope BROCKLESNAR defeats Carwin.
I’m smiling just thinking about the hypothetical celebration in the cage after Big Nog submits Brock.
I specializes in grammar fail.
Imagine Nog doing this after losing to Lesnar =(
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
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