Lyoto Machida: If I Defend My Title Five Times, I Want Brock Lesnar
by Luke Thomas on Oct 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT
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"I respect Brock Lesnar as a fighter, but I know I can fight with him...For me, I like the challenge."
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Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
champs moving up to fight champs
fucks up the two weight classes, as much as I want to see this, it’s not worth it after
by cagefightonacid on Oct 16, 2009 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Think scale version of GSP/BJ.
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even close Brock Lesnar is no where near a GSP!
by DRExLOC on Oct 16, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially in size, height, power, and one Sword Tattoo on his chest.
by BNTHIS on Oct 28, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if there are no challengers at the weight class
Which after 5 more wins I think there would be.
Seeing my dream is worth a lackluster card somewhere else.
by SES 84 on Oct 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love superfights, bring it on!
Also, I really like his Brazil card. Silva vs Fedor…..I’d watch it.
by Razzel on Oct 16, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
me too.
joe silva better watch out someone has some good ideas.
by Ronnie Liddle on Oct 16, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he defends the belt 5 times then what the hell
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by baldspot23 on Oct 16, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rule Ez hurt the Art...
Machida vs. Brock and Silva vs. Fedor
I see Machida thinks like me…
This fight doesn’t have to be for the title Brock can go back to being the Champ after he loses…
But seeing Machida on TUF would be interesting and i wonder if he would bring any fighters from his Gym to fight and be on his team.
by AfroSamurai on Oct 16, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TUF 15, Machida vs Rampage?
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOO!!!!! I can’t watch Rampage “coach” anymore. I just can’t do it!
by Razzel on Oct 16, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah..
Not gonna happen.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TUF 15, Machida vs Rashad, Rampage, Silva, Jardine, Shogun, Vera, Couture, Chuck, Forrest, and Henderson
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao i can’t do it either Rampage is a weak coach
by AfroSamurai on Oct 16, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Machida v, Couture if he wins...
by AfroSamurai on Oct 16, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking...
this is both a realistic possibility, and would be awesome. Maybe Machida will fight Rampage, but that’s all way up in the air right now. If Randy beats Vera, I’d expect this fight to happen next anyway. Rematches with Thiago Silva and Rashad probably won’t come for a few more fights, if they happen. Mostly, I just really want Machida on TUF so we can see more of his training methods. Maybe Yoshizo would come along as well!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 16, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida coaching? Cant see it. Whats he gonna do, teach them the horse stance and meditating? Through a translator?
by judonerd on Oct 16, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d really like to see exactly how Lyoto would plan to defend against a 800-pound brocklesnar shooting. Then again, if he does manage to elude it, it’d be kinda fun to watch the same 800-pund brocklesnar crash through the cage and wipe out Goldy and Rogan. New annouce team, hooray!
by lhasafi on Oct 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Machida would just side-step the take down and go for a foot sweep. Then KO him with a dragon punch, shuryuken style.
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by Bandaka on Oct 17, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most interesting thing to take from this is that he put himself up against Rampage in his Brazil dream card. Some of the most substantial evidence that he wants that fight. I’ve been saying all along that there’s no better title fight at 205 (and a year ago I said Machida/Rampage would end up having a historic trilogy). I would definitely travel to see their first fight.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I love ‘Page, it’s hard to have an epic trilogy if one guy were to go 3-0.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 16, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was dumb to say, Lyoto
You’ve just committed the mortal sin of wanting to fight Brock. For that, the disciples will burn you. Just watch, just wait.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scratches head & wonders WTF?
But still understands that it is Myth, so……
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying anything about Lesnar that isn’t filled with sunshine, lollipops and rainbows is tantamount to sticking children in the eyes with a fork. Instant Badguy.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if you say so, lol.
But you are the one who brought this up out of the blue buddy! ;-)
I dont think even Brockboys cared that Machida wants to possibly fight him someday.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just predicting the future. Watch and see, if Lyoto persues this – the magic eight ball says he will turn from beloved to be hated. :)
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for me is all that I can say
& who gives a crap if someone is that retarded that they actually get mad over someone wanting to fight their boy anyway? By the way, your magic eight ball looks like a regular old run of the mill crystal ball Myth. ;-)
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I ran out of black paint :(
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by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that shouldnt be a problem for
a stepper like you Myth! Your Lesnar hatred must be going down. :(
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A stepper?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using one of my favorite
grandpa lines. He always used to say that to me & it made laugh so I thought maybe it would help you get off the Lesnar hating mode, lol.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does it mean?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I liked Brockboys. I just may steal that and use it myself :)
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by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be my guest Myth.
What is mine is yours!!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not gonna happen
But keep it up— you look great..
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is reserved a far worse fate for comitting such a grave error. HE MUST NOT BATTLE THE BROCKLESNARRRRRRRR!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjjR07m6hVU&feature=related
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typecast much?
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thoughts from an Elder of the Brock Disciples
I love Brock, I love Machida & I would love to see them battle.
I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.
by Thulsa Doom on Oct 17, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His english has gotten alot better.
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by Deo Wade on Oct 16, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If i Blink my eyes 5 times i want Rhianna. Not likely going to happen either way. Dana is going to let his future p4p get mauled by a Albino Gorilla? i dont think so
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Oct 16, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Brock would stand with Lyoto, and he has no shot against Brock on the ground. Ask Frank Mir how that goes.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Dude is a sumo practitioner and is extremely elusive. It’s possible that that fight could be extremely boring.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t you get the memo that Machida is a stand and bang KO machine?
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^this. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone looking past their next 5 opponents
by HighNoon on Oct 16, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO no no. He’s not looking past anyone here. He’s simply got long term goals. Something that fuels him in the short term to win the next fight. Just like if you’re goal is to someday direct a huge blockbuster. First you have to do the indie low budget film, but you still think about the long term…
by Dooda on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t think of it that way, but now I can see how that makes sense and could actually be a good thing
by HighNoon on Oct 16, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eventually Machida will zig when he should zagged and he will be fucked.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Oct 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Because his movements are completely arbitrary.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know how the majority of those things go right?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes the bull dies but its much more brutal when the matador slips up and the bull gets the better. Machida could win this fight i have no doubt but why risk it? Brock could seriously fuck him up
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Oct 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong. When the bullfighter slips a bunch of guys come flying out from the side and distract the bull who then runs away and then someone comes and helps the bullfighter to safety. When the bull messes up, he’s got spears with hooks prying open his flesh between the shoulder blades. Then he gets a sword stabbed into his back, right next to his spinal column, if it doesn’t go all the way in he’s stabbed repeatedly until it does. As he lays there helpless a guy comes out with a long dagger-like knife and plunges it into the back of his neck over and over until his limbs are stiff. His tongue hanging out, his bloody corpse lies there and a team of horses come out and hooks the body up and drags it off, smearing blood all over the ground while everyone boos.
by Dooda on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well ive seen videos of bulls goring matadors into oblivion so i guess it all depends on how fast your help is and how pissed off you made the bull.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Oct 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. I’m sure it’s plenty brutal when the fighter gets gored, but I’ve been to the bull fights and it’s plenty plenty brutal what happens to the bull. Way worse than being gored.
by Dooda on Oct 16, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I am assuming your stance
is that you are against bulls being killed during bull fights? Good thing this is MMA so that does not apply.
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by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No i just always route for the animal in anything like that. it was more of just a image of what would happen if brock somehow got a hold of machida
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by pitbull187 on Oct 16, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking to me? Yeah. bullfights are dumb. It’s animal cruelty at it’s worst. And yeah, mma is completely different.
by Dooda on Oct 16, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was.
Your paragraph long graphic description was funny.
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by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I get it. You’re inferring that it’s pointless to write a long paragraph like that on an MMA site? Well, it sort of applied to the comment directly above mine didn’t it?
But it’s awesome that you found that funny. When I was at the Corrida I was absolutely in stitches the entire time.
by Dooda on Oct 16, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the alternate ending for Borat?
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar won't be the champ in 2012.
It sounded like he said “Anderson Silver”. Have we been pronouncing it wrong? Aren’t they good friends?
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Oct 16, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s part of Anderson’s endorsement deal with Silver Star Casting Company. He is now referred to as Anderson Silver…
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Oct 16, 2009 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. This all assumes Lesner will defend 5 times. Keep in mind his total fight experience is only 5 fights
by HighNoon on Oct 16, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his brazil card is great plus nog is gonna triangle choke lesNAR after he shatters both his orbital bones
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 16, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you clean out your division,
you should be able to move up and keep challenging yourself. If Anderson would just move up it would create a ton of interesting match ups at middleweight. The key is to prove yourself as untouchable at your weight class before moving up.
by MMArmy on Oct 16, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think GSP is the only guy that (temporarily) applied to this logic. Anderson has a lot of challengers at 185.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot = Belfort. He has already beaten everyone else in title contention
by HighNoon on Oct 16, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's absolutely silly
Be serious, hombre.. If you think challengers are only allowed a single opportunity to vie for a title, they may as well pack their bags and try their hand at professional handball. MMA is organic.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like GSP is the only one that hasn't challenged himself after cleaning out a division...
by AfroSamurai on Oct 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really… Okay..
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be kind of hard since he hasn’t fought since cleaning out the division.
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by ufc4 on Oct 16, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by actionbastard on Oct 16, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks, I love this jpg.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, my first rec! Thanks!
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by actionbastard on Oct 16, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this would be like ryu vs. zangeif
should be an easy win, all machida has to do is go all the way back and neutral jump and kick repeatedly
by kanodogg on Oct 16, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
He is Brazilian, so he could Blanka it and high roll on top of his spinning clothesline repeatedly.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More likely Zangief…err, Brock would just Super Piledrive him through Concrete instead.
Be careful what you wish for, Lyoto.
by BNTHIS on Oct 28, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida's take down defense is very good
This matchup is a great matchup imo . Machida is very hard to take down . Size wise Machida can easily be bigger than Randy Couture. And we’ve seen Machida can hit like a truck. I’m not saying he’ll definitely win but I do give him a fair shot. And comparing Machida to Mir …I think Machida would murder Mir .
by JoelMan on Oct 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto!
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida is under 210 lbs(in shape)
by dancingChicken on Oct 16, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida isn't very big
He could probably make 185 quite easily. We’re the same size/build and I’m 185.. Lesnar would greatly outsize him, but it would be an interesting stylistic polarity, that’s for sure..
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Machida would have an easier (not easy at all) time fighting Fedro than Lesnar.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from wikipedia :
“He was the runner-up in the 2000 Brazilian Sumo Championships in the 115 kg division”
he probably had some fat on him back then but still , I don’t think he’s such a petite light heavyweight . He kinda dwarfed Rashad Evans for example , and didn’t look smaller than Ortiz or Thiago Silva.
by JoelMan on Oct 16, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lisboa says that Machida "walks around 208 pounds and there’s no stress to his self in order to make the weight. He eats normally until a day before the fight but in the correct time and the exact amount so that it is easy to control the weight.
Eduardo Lisboa, Lyoto’s S&C coach
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec`d for being true.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Oct 17, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I DISAGREE
. . . with just about every comment that thinks this notion is dumb or may be a “Think scale version of GSP/BJ.” (I like that by the way)
Size is a factor but it is not the end all, be all. Royce Gracie proved that a long time against many bigger fighters. Styles make fights. Take a look at a really big Bob Sapp and how many different fighters approached fighting him.
Like baldspot23 said, “if he defends the belt 5 times then what the hell”
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the problem with the gracie comparison is
that he was pwning people who had no clue what the f*** bjj was. nowadays everyone trains in a variety of fighting techniques. maybe machida vs. a non-mma trained, strictly wrestler brock would have huge advantage, but this brock has trained somewhat in how to defend against bjj techniques, not leaving himself as open as he did in the first mir fight.
by kanodogg on Oct 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Gracie win? Y or N
Yes, it proved that you can beat bigger guys with technique.
-—-
Want more examples of smaller guys beating bigger guys?
- Rashad Evans vs. TUF 2
- Couture vs Sylvia, Gonzaga, Lesnar (his size didn’t bother Couture, it was the 8" inch reach advantage)
. . . there’s more.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you pay no attention to what i'm saying
small guy + technique beats big guy with less technique. small guy with technique equal to the big guy gets smashed. we all see now that brock has great technique, was able to nullify a bjj expert like mir with relative ease. the only way imo that machida can win this is if he can avoid being taken down, and we all know how good brock is at taking fighters down.
by kanodogg on Oct 16, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This assumes that Brock is anywhere near Machida in terms of technique. Has Brock ever faced anyone with even a remote resemblance to Machida? What’s a wrestler with a couple of years of mma training compared to someone who’s devoted his life to it since he was a toddler? Brock is good at getting slow guys not known for speed down. How would he be at getting Machida down, someone who’s speed is heads and hands above his own division, or even a middleweight, much less a heavyweight. Speed, in my opinion is the greatest skill. There’s no substitute for it.
by Dooda on Oct 16, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no substitute for Power or the Athletic ability when you’re the size of Brock EITHER.
If Lyoto is going to attempt to just stick and move(or is it kick and move?) Brock, he might get caught in a take down eventually. Brock is not stupid.
A fight between them would be epic but I see Brock taking this. Why? ‘Cause Machida’s punches won’t affect Brock at all.
by BNTHIS on Oct 28, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you kano,
I just think Machida’s techniques are definitely far better than Mir’s for sure.
Mir admitted that his wrestling technique is not that great and he was quick to change his tune concerning skill versus size. He’s now focusing on weightlifting for the first time in his career. His takedown defense was horrible. Herring was controlled by Lesnar because he simply has no answer for wrestlers, we saw that against O’Brien.
Against Randy Couture? Skilled and undersized against skilled and super-heavyweight?? We all saw the first round. It was great, exciting and competitive. Now imagine if Couture possessed Machida’s sense of timing and distance. Who knows?
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when Mir is BJJ expert? Because he has black belt it doesn’t mean that he’s an expert…
by dancingChicken on Oct 16, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would you call him then, a bjj amateur? i’d say his bjj is amongst the best in heavyweights.
by kanodogg on Oct 16, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s amongst the best in heavyweights because he hasn’t really faced too many well versed bjj guys in the HW division. When he did, he got handled by Marcio Cruz and didn’t want no part of Big Nog.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s definitely good, but I’m pretty sure he would lose in grappling to say, someone like Werdum who just won ADCC.
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there only bjj experts and amateurs? If so, then Mir is an amateur.
by dancingChicken on Oct 17, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah Mir’s best grappling credentials achievement is : 2007 NAGA Absolute Division Champion.
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I heard, Roy Nelson beat Mir in a grappling match. Any confirmation?
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://promma.info/index.php/2009/09/13/grapplers-quest-classic-frank-mir-vs-roy-nelson/
they competed at Grappler’s Quest..
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with this comparison is...
that he was pwning people who had no clue what the f*** Machida Karate was or how to defend it. nowadays everybody trains the same fighting techniques (Muay Thai, Wrestling and BJJ).
See what i did there and what the problem with your argument is?
by AfroSamurai on Oct 16, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget about that argument, in the end . . .
Size is a factor but it is not the end all, be all. There are many examples in boxing and mma that dispels all the hype behind Brock Lesnar the Beast, the 800lbs. gorilla, blah, blah, blah.
Machida doesn’t sound crazy, dumb or stupid for thinking about challenging a fighter who will probably outweigh him by well over 20+lbs.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 lbs?
i’m thinking 50+ what does machida cut down from, maybe 225 tops… , whereas brock walks it at around what, 285, 290?
by kanodogg on Oct 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Machida cuts much, if at all.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
208 before the Rashad fight according to his S&C coach.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the Lesnar mechanic at work;
Guys being big don’t normally get shit for it, because size often equates to a decline in speed. Because Lesnar bucks this trend, critics fixate on his size. Suddenly we need a SHW division and Lesnar is only successful because he’s big.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that line of thought often. It sounds like an excuse.
I am wondering how big does he get on fight night? There are many heavyweights fighting around 220 – 230 facing size disadvantages against guys that fight around 250 – 265lbs.
example: Pat Barry 230lbs. vs. Tim Hague 260lbs.
or Pat Barry vs. Dan Evensen 252lbs.
He won (Evenson) and loss (Hague) but he face a significant difference in both fights.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bigger you already are, the less a marginal difference makes.
If you’re 200 and your opponent is 220, they’re 10% heavier than you.
If you’re 210 and your opponent is 280 that’s 33% of your bodyweight in difference
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 16, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just realized that’s a terrible illustration lol
it’s more like:
comparing 230 vs 250 is a 9% difference
comparing 150 vs 170 = 13% difference
so comparing lyoto vs brock is an astounding 33% difference
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 16, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida noticed and mentions the speed being a strength of Lesnar.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar : wrestling :: machida : striking. So much of his hype is based off how he looked against Shad… who is not an elite thai boxer. He can stand and bang, but so can high school kids. Watch his fight with BJ and tell me Machida is invincible.
Lesnar could rush Machida and submit him by bear hug without ever going to the ground.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 16, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget the hype, look how he handle all of his other fights. He incorporates sumo, judo and a bunch of other styles in his arsenal.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Henderson, Jon Jones, BJ Penn, Jose Aldo, King Mo… all guys who have been able to make up what they lack in skill/experience (or fitness in BJs case) with pure athletic ability. (by that I mean reflexes, reaction, coordination, athletic strength, speed, etc) Brock should be in this category. The argument of the more skilled fighter does not always hold water. That was not the case with Mir/Lesnar.
No doubt in my mind that Lesnar would use his size and athleticism to prevent Machida from administering his skills as he did with Mir.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ was a shorter fighter that matched or exceeded Machida’s speed in a ring. Machida is not invincible, but he is pretty damn close.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Size will be a factor because it will definitely be 50+ pounds…and hey maybe it is a freak show match up but i’d still like to see it lol. And I’d have a hard time figuring out who’d be the favorite in betting lines…
All of this considering defend there titles 5x
by AfroSamurai on Oct 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see it...but
I think Brock in two years will have improved more than Machida will have, just based on Brock’s inexperience. There’s a lot more room for improvement. Machida would have a lot better chance right now, than two years down the road if they both are unbeaten in that time. Still, I’d be interested to see it at that point.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 16, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can tell yourself whatever you want, but Lyoto would get the hell beaten out of him by Brock. If you want to bring up Royce Gracie beating bigger guys, look at the Kimo fight. Royce eventually won with superior technique, but got beaten up so bad he couldn’t continue the tournament. Imagine if Kimo had better cardio and could defend submissions.
Most big guys are as slow as shit. Brock isn’t. Machida won’t get a chance to pull out his bag of karate tricks because he’d just get scooped up, dumped on his back and have his face punched in.
The reason I use the GSP/BJ comparison is because a smaller fighter will go up against a larger one waving the flag of “You can do it! P4P matters! No one can defeat your style!” and then get smushed.
Wrestling is a martial art, just as much as karate.
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock learned after his first fight with Mir not to play to your opponents strengths. No way he circles at arms length with Machida, telegraphing all his punches like Rashad did.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 16, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
Telegraphing his punches like Rashad did and Thiago did and all the other 15 or so fighters who have tried not to fall into Lyotos MACHIDANESS…
by AfroSamurai on Oct 16, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't also forget....
Brock isn’t Rashad, Thiago, or “all the other 15 or so fighters who blahblahblah”…
Brock is going to slay this dragon and make stew for dinner.
by BNTHIS on Oct 28, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, there are so many examples through out mma where the smaller fighter was able to overcome huge differences in weight and size.
Yeah, sure Brock Lesnar can clinch and ground and pound Machida to a bloody-Frank Murrhhh-pulp BUT there’s a possibility that Machida may have a trick up his sleeve to deal with Brock’s strengths and weaknesses.
GSP-Penn blah, blah, blah.
Did Penn make their first contest, competitive? Yes.
Did GSP learn a new bag of tricks, got stronger and man-handle Penn in their 2nd contest? Yes.
Was size a huge factor? I my humble opinion . . . not so much.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Size was a factor. GSP had something in the area of 15 pounds of lean muscle on BJ come fight time. GSP was able to overpower BJ’s guard and pass effortlessly.
The time of vast size differences not mattering are coming to an end at the high level. Every pound matters. Being elusive on the feet is not helpful when a 280lb former NCAA has you in a half nelson. Karate is not magic.
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Frank Mir cant get out from Brock’s top control, no way Machida wins when Brock takes it to the ground.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was a factor, but not so much . . . GSP also employed wrestling techniques, striking techniques and some bjj. Then you realy have factor in GSP’s athleticism.
Time will tell if the vast size difference not mattering are coming to an end at the high level.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2012 I would assume that Brock would have picked up some striking and BJJ. Aparrently he’s already at purplebelt.
It is demonstrably true that size differences matter in MMA now.
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodrigo “Comprido” Medeiros, said before the Couture fight that Lesnar was roughly a BJJ purple belt after just a year of practicing the art.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna hope
There is a wee bit of exaggeration from Medeiros there. Purple Belt in 1 year?
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by Farthammer on Oct 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is at that level due to his years in wrestling. The skills don’t completely transfer over, but they help a lot.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I get that
But even BJ Penn took more than a year to get a purple belt, and I don’t know of any other of Ralph’s students who came along that quickly.
I believe Brock knows his shit but I also think Madeiros exaggerated.
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by Farthammer on Oct 16, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock does not have an actual belt because skill and technique are not the only things needed to earn a belt. His ground game was at about purple belt skill level.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have the belt
He was commenting on his ability. He may not even have the belt now, but he was commenting on his abilities (and that is the quote that is most commonly referenced). Just creating some clarity about when he said that, which is pretty remarkable..
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get it from both you and Iiowyn
And I’m not trying to be a smartass….
I mean I think he was still exaggerating Brock’s skill level. Although I am sure he is a fast learner.
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by Farthammer on Oct 16, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may have been
I was really just showing people that the constantly referenced “he’s a purple level BJJ practitioner” was derived from a quote that happened a long, long time ago. I don’t believe that he IS a purple belt level BJJ guy, even now, but it proves that Comprido has great confidence in his abilities (learning & natural), regardless of belt level. Let’s be honest; Lesnar’s not about to start arm-barring guys, but if he can have competent defense, he’s golden.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I would like to do a reality show next time”
He will be a coach on the next TUF.
by schwanz on Oct 16, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i remember they showed him for like half a second on the Nogueira season, sitting at the table eating cake or balut or something lol.
by Grappo on Oct 16, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Phillipe? I don’t remember that. Ha..
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was on Nog's birthday
i just remember being excited that he was on, then really pissed that we never saw him again. I don’t even think they mentioned him as helping with the training. A big FAIL at promoting future superstars.
by Grappo on Oct 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember seeing him
But I didn’t see him eating balut. He obviously has the stomach for it (insert urine joke)..
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by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The scale version of BJ GSP has lots of flaws. BJ didn’t have much, if any speed advantage over GSP. He didn’t have a huge technique advantage either. If anything, he only had a power advantage in the striking department, as well as a BJJ advantage, but that was nullified and so didn’t prove to be much of an advantage.
by Dooda on Oct 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
orange or grape?
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Oct 16, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can understand BJ wanting to move up to welterweight, but I really don’t get Lyoto and Silva talking about challenging Brock, who is huge for heavyweight.
I’ve sparred grappled against way bigger people before (no one my size there that day or something), and it is never fun. I’m worried that I’ll get a fluke injury (more common against people bigger than you and it’s happened to me before), and even when applying proper technique, your opponent can power out of a lot of things.
Can I be competitive? Only if I have a pretty significant skill advantage. If Brock Lesnar kickboxed Lyoto, Lyoto would win, but do you really believe Lyoto will not get taken down for the entire fight?
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He stated the reason, for the challenge.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brocklesnar is the new MMA Mount St. Everest.
He’s also a massive payday.
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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Fedro.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious,
but do you purposely write “fedro” every time that you intend fedor?
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by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, for two reasons. I always manage to make that typo and got sick of fixing it, and the image of Fedro in a sombrero is hilarious to me.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am talking one of those massive sombreros, the ones you can wear in the rain and be perfectly dry even if you are Ralphie May.
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by iiowyn on Oct 17, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying it doesn’t feel like a challenge, so much as a massive handicap lol.
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 16, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i tend to like guys who are undefeated to get the zhit beat out of them once.
that include’s fedor(1 loss was b/c off blood stoppage), anderson silva(has not lost in ufc) and machida (has not lost a round in ufc). i say let lesnar take them all on!
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 16, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that would be an easier fight for Machida stylistically.
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by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida is the man,
my fav thing is fighters who are confident but not cocky. he is a good sport and as soon as he learns good English…he would be much bigger star then now 100%. And as far as him VS Lesner …. i would say Machida by UD. (since its gonna be hard for Lesner to catch Machida) they will run around the ring for 5 rounds. and Machida will win for running faster.
by 1WAYtiket on Oct 16, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First Machida is a bushi. Second his father is really small and probably always fought bigger opponents in brazil, it’s no surprise his son is considering jumping weight classes.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 16, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After three rounds of being frustrated by Machida's elusive defense
Brock goes crazy, turns green and rips Machida’s head off. Virginia Athletic Commission judges give the decision to Machida b/c of his takedown defense.
"Let's kick some names and take some a$$"
by StayGoldLikeFlair on Oct 16, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After 3 rounds of that he'd end up turning back into Banner lol.
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by Deo Wade on Oct 16, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone think this would be NON-Title? I think it would. So if Brock loses, due to more of Cecil People’s shenanigans, then he’d be like “Whatever…” and go back home to promptly run over the local tax collector with his tractor. lol.
by BNTHIS on Oct 28, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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