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On another blog site I posted a message talking about how I can't stand it when people call MMA, UFC. I hate that. Then I had a someone call me "elitist". They tried too make the case of the NFL. They said that people ask someone all the time if the watch the NFL or the NBA. I responded with the following retort, I hope you enjoy the read:

I have asked people if they watch the NFL but I am asking if they watch the NFL when I ask that. I have never heard anyone ever say "Do you watch the NFL? I like the Alabama Crimson Tide, they are my favorite NFL team" ? I have never heard that. I have never heard anyone ever call the Duke Blue Devil an NBA team but I have heard people say I am going too see the UFC in Fredricksburg, VA (When they are talking about going too an Amatuer fight called BattleFC). I have also heard people call it "Ultimate Fighting" Which is the same as calling it UFC just with out the "Championship" part at the end.

I also don't understand the "elitist part". I have no problem with someone asking a question about something that is a huge hobbie of mine, however I do have an issue with a person that pretends too know what they are talking about. If you were a mechanic and we were talking about a car issue and I have no real knowlege of cars. I know what they do, they get me from A to B. I know what the gas does, what the oil is used for, how generaly and engine works and what the Altenator and Battery does, but I am not a mechanic and really dont know about how too fix a car, and what if I started arguing with you about how too fix my car. What if I started getting "in it" with you when you are a mechanic and I really have no clue what I am talking about. That is the way I see the whole thing with my hobbie, Mixed Martial Arts. If you want too ask a question fine. If you know some things more than what the UFC is. Awesome, but don't start saying things like Tank Abbott was great or Roy Nelson sucks and Kimbo is going too be awesome, just don't.

 

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A lesson that we shouldn’t argue with people who think that all MMA is UFC…

…..I think…..

by Tonley on Oct 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drives me nuts when people put up advertisements for their gyms saying they teach “UFC”; if it makes you elitist well then color me royalty.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We have guys come into our gym fairly often asking if they can learn Ultimate Fighting. Usually the black belts have a pretty calm approach “Uh, we teach BJJ. It’s kind of a part of that. Grab a brochure if you’d like.”

The only person I excuse for saying “Ultimate Fighting” as a term is my dad, who is over 60.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 16, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think 50+ is the cut-off point, but I appreciate when people say it so that I know who I’m dealing with. Helps you avoid getting into deep conversations..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude the best are the morons who come into jiu jitsu and when they’re asked if they have any prior martial arts experience they say “yeah, I do like street fighting and stuff”. My first question when I hear “street fighting” is “So are you a Ken or Ryu kinda guy?”

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

The worst thing about that particular comment is that they think it’s someone applicable or will advance their training, when it is often the adverse and they’re laughed at/frowned upon.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s just a self confidence thing, they don’t want to seem like complete newbs so they walk in tough. From my experience it’s best that those type of guys get matched up against an established student who will wreck them in the most controlled, non painful, nicest way possible via complete domination (while still encouraging them and showing how jiu jitsu works) and technique; hopefully showing them that they do indeed not know anything and that through practice they can actually get somewhere; whereas “street fighting” typically gets your ass haduken’d by a gun.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at a bar one night and two “tuff guys” were messing with a friend of mine and trying too fight him. He called me over and they backed off a bit. They actually told me that they were TRYING to get in a fight that night (what is up with guys that want too bar fight?) I told them they were welcome too come to the gym anytime and we can do fight where you don’t get arrested. They got threw out of the bar later that night after someone else kicked their ass. I just can never understand the “Street Fighter” guys.

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They didn’t get hugged enough as kids. It’s not like they’re all bad guys, a couple I know who have stuck with bjj have ended up really loving it and getting into it, as a result their personalities changed, they got more laid back/confident/etc, the whole tough guy image is honestly just insecurity.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think there’s a universal street fighter type, but I know the type you’re describing. A lot of younger kinds who are getting lit up in public for the first time/s get a puffy chest when they’re sauced up. It’s often a tell-tale sign that they actually lack confidence.. They’re called “hold me back bro’s”.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Training has taught me to never underestimate anyone based on appearance. There’s guys who weigh 140 that can tie me into a pretzel, or guys that size who can punch me 5 times before I cover my face.

However, if a guy gets drunk and tries to start shit like that? That’s one of the few signs he is probably all talk.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 16, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I have actually watch a girl I train with, Shelly Carson who is about 5’5" 125lbs. Choke OUT as in Dude went too sleep a 6’4" 275lb Marine Dude. It was pretty funny. He pretty much let her get the choke in and he claimed he could make her let go. She jumped onto his back and put her hooks in fast and within no time he fell backwards on her (she was ok) and went out and kinda into that convulsions I am knocked out shake. Pretty funny shit.

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah

My BJJ trainer (who is 6’2", 215ish) has some great stories about his early days in Cali when some of the girls in his gym (under Wander Braga) would humiliate him on a daily basis, and how they’re so much more aggressive than the guys he trained with (which is a list that includes Napao & Shaolin).

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, once a woman gets comfortable doing jiu jitsu they get WAY WAY more aggressive than guys with the same amount of time in, it’s a weird ass phenomenon.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

I’ve been training for 2 months and feel like I’m starting to get the hang of it… wanna roll? :)

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by funnytiger on Oct 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hellz no, I’m scared!

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

When I was younger, I had a “don’t start fights, finish them” mentality, but I’m more cautious these days. It’s just better to let guys like that have one more story about how they “almost kicked this dudes ass” than to risk getting arrested because some kid who can barely climb off his stool is getting into ole irish stance while his girlfriend begs him to calm down. It’s never worth it.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I actually had a guy tell me a story about getting in a fight over beer pong a few days ago, and he thought it was funny. I thought, dude?! over beer pong?! Its beer pong buddy, you never fight over beer pong. Jesus, thats just sad.

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This girl I was hanging out with last night told me a story about a guy getting stabbed in downtown Minnneapolis over the Vikings/Packers game. I was like “Well, that proves that football fans are more violent than MMA fans, because you never hear about someone getting stabbed over Liddell/Shogun”.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What??

I’ll stab you!!!!

I'm the kind of girl who loves to watch a GOOD fight!
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by funnytiger on Oct 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec’d

Hello, Japan!

by Mr.Kib on Oct 16, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um, sad thing is… I had a guy swing at me a few years ago because I “took his table”.

fighting over beer pong is sad, but its worse to get beat up by a loser starting a fight over it. so yes, techincally i ended up in a fight over beer pong.

by beersnbroads on Oct 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few years back

I was a a bar with a machine that measures punching power. Well being the degenerate drunk idiot that I am, I decided to go show up the Nazi’s that were throwing down on the machine. This hulking 300 pounder who’s bald with “SS” bolts tattoed to his neck throws down and get a 730 (out of a possible 1000) so I step up and throw down an 875 and he gets pissed and his skinhead buddies start talking. It was literally 5 “hold me back bro’s” all trying to back me down.

I’m married now and have had to slow my role since we’re having kids, but it’s just another example that even the biggest tough guys are just trying to show dominance over who ever they can. I was in the same boat for awhile, except I really was better than these guys…ya know, Nazi’s and all.

by B Money on Oct 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh Nazi's...

When I was a teenager, and the only non-white kid at most metal shows in the Twin Cities, I used to get headhunted in pits by nazi’s. Good times..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too make it worse

The reason for the post. I was at an “Operation Octagon” event in Manassas, va My roommate was fighting and I was waiting in line for a ticket with 2 friends. I saw another line up farther that was seperate and in the line was a guy with a American Spartan MMA shirt and another with a Tapout shirt. I figured they must be here for the fight also (fight was at the county fair). I walked up too them and asked if it was the line for Operation Octagon. They asked me what was that. I said, oh my boy is fighting today. They said, OH COOL!! UFC IS GOING ON TODAY?!

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s depressing that there are people like that associated with MMA, it is crazy how fashion has both helped blow up MMA to the public… but at the same time invite the brainless into the MMA fold as well. Double edged sword.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m almost glad I live in an area where there is no MMA for hours. I don’t think I’ve ever seen somebody in public wearing a Tapout shirt. If these are the sort of fans I’m missing out on, then I’m glad.

by Ahhhoki on Oct 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I look at it this way with the MMA clothing. You wouldn’t wear a teams NFL jersey and not know what football is. Well unless you are a woman (kidding kidding)

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple months ago at an Eagles preseason game I saw a guy in an Affliction: Korn shirt, of course he knew nothing about MMA or music…

by CliChe Guevara on Oct 17, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LELAND,REC'D

 well put. i would rather hear people refer to it as “ultimate fighting” than “human cockfighting” anyday. :-)

by bdw on Oct 16, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree man, Before the boy was even found in the basement some company had t-shirts made up.

Plus that family was full of assholes so they deserved the crap they got after he was found in the attic.

by Dav11 on Oct 18, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like a silly thing to be bothered by, especially considering all the crazy stuff you’ll hear from the casual fan. I mean, did you know that Cung Le was the uncrowned UFC champ?

by Razzel on Oct 16, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not as much bothered as I am bored at work and it gives a topic for convo. Yeah.

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh, gotcha.

by Razzel on Oct 16, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off, MMA was actually invented as a term to describe Inoki’s mostly worked fights against fighters of different disciplines in the 70’s.

Second, where in VA are you? Very rarely see Fredericksburg (where I live) mentioned much.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh, coincidence, I went to college at UMW in Fredericksburg, may head back down for homecoming tomorrow.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

How many people are on here from Virginia. I know Luke Thomas is a Virginia guy (he writes for bloodyelbow and is a comentator for some events. I live in Alexandria now, just moved there a month ago from Stafford. I work on Quantico. Anyone go too Tim’s for Aquapalooza? Good suff.

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure Luke is a DC guy.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha I live in Alexandria, what the hell is with these coincidences.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nuts

Where do you train? I guess its a little obvious for me. Gold Medal Grappling. Yeah, I figured Luke was either DC or VA, thats crazy though. NOVA/DC area is ruling this site! lol

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 16, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

USAJJ (hence the avatar pic haha)! NOVA/DC is getting pretty well rep’d here for sure.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might end up assimilated with the NoVA crowd if I get this job in Reston.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should start a gang.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a slippery slope.

Eventually you’ll all wear camo Tapout shirts and do drive-by on people who where the plain black ones.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 16, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m willing to slide down that slippery slope of a slip’n slide.

Actually I’m not, sorry :(

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Fredericksburg!

Centre (or Central?) Park = Awesome.

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by funnytiger on Oct 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Central Park is a bastion of American consumerism…. also it’s the only thing to do there haha!

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I just think it’s so awesome… Evil? Yes. Awesome? Also yes.

You can be like, “Fuck McDonalds! I’m going to Burger King!” And it’s right there! So awesome.

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by funnytiger on Oct 16, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, it’s the small things in life..

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 16, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I an "elitist"

for wondering why you keep putting “too” when it should be to?

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes

We all are.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering that myself...

Maybe there should be a basic grammar guide posted? Explanations of:

there, their and they’re
to, two and too

What else?

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by funnytiger on Oct 16, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your/you’re, dude/d00d (of which d00d is the correct spelling).

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 16, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

definate/definately…always drives me batty!

by BJJDenver on Oct 16, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mute/moot

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dominate/dominant

"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"

by woomikee on Oct 16, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rediculous/ridiculous

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by funnytiger on Oct 19, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering

most of our posts could be picked apart for not having perfect grammar, this is the general viewpoint I don’t understand. Spelling and Grammar Nazi’s. If someone is posting on a phone, at work with limited time and neglect to put an ‘e’ where it goes, or even not know in the first place……ummmmm….who cares?

One of Nate’s own posts yesterday neglected to capitalize a proper noun, spelled we’ve wrong (used we’re) and used an intentional misspelling of a word that only gamers would understand why. Hurry, someone call the posting police.

by soadtrails on Oct 17, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m against being a total grammar nazi, this isn’t an academic paper, but things that should be learned very early on, and are very simple concepts to grasp like to/too/two and their/there/they’re and your/you’re should be done properly, and I don’t feel bad if someone misusing one of those gets ripped.

by Phildo on Oct 17, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im confused by the nfl, nba reference

someone calling a college football team a professional football team is not the same as calling the entirerty of MMA sport UFC. i think you are being a little to harsh on people(as i am finding out MOST of the commentors on BE are). fighting and the thoughts of fighting are confusing to people, so they have to compartmentalise it the best way they can. Plus MMA is a new sport to the mainstream. UFC is just the biggest name brand. Are all tissues Kleenex, no, but how many people get a runny nose and ask for a kleenex? Do you know the difference when youare handed a Puffs?
Being elitist also means that you have too high of an opinion of your own opinions. so chillax scrow, we all roll our eyes when we see the douche wearing the tapout shirt that is extra medium trying to flex in the bar and we all get sick when someone knows who kimbo slice is and not Lyoto Machida or Shinya Aoki.

BOOSH

ufc fan boy all the way

by georgehouse on Oct 16, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The attitude of most MMA fans pisses me off.

MMA fans are haters. They hate anyone who didnt spend their infant stage in an octagon shaped crib. They hated Brock, they hate Kimbo, now they hate Bobby Lashley and Herschel Walker.

If you think I guy is unworthy, you should be rooting for him to get into the octagon so he can get dusted.

This is why the NFL has and always will dominate the American sports landscape. The NFL appreciates the hardcore fan, but also welcomes the attention of the female fan who likes a team because she thinks the quarterback is cute.

Expand the fanbase, then educate the fanbase. At this stage, anyone who brings attention to this once obscure sport is good for the sport.

OBSERVATION - EMOTION = COMMON SENSE

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Oct 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What if we just called it super-mega fighting?

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Oct 18, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can get behind super-mega fighting

But they would have to be more flexible with the dress code. If you want to wear a full gi, do it. Ninja outfit? Done. One boxing glove? Bring it on. Tank top and slacks? Why not. Wrestling singlet? If it makes you feel comfortable.

by black dragon on Oct 18, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love it

I might rock with Ultra Super Costco Mega Fighting Death Kill Murder

by GoldmedalGrappling on Oct 19, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about hot pants?

we gotta allow hot pants

ufc fan boy all the way

by georgehouse on Oct 18, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A rose by any other name is still a rose. I can’t really stand it when people refer to MMA as ultimate fighting either, but the fact is that’s how a large portion of new fans recognize it. I’ve often wondered whether we just confuse the situation by calling it “mixed” martial arts, when really it’s just “Martial Arts”.

by bubbafat on Oct 18, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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