Lyoto Machida and Mauricio "Shogun" Rua Try To Out Nice Each Other on UFC 104 Conference Call
by Kid Nate on Oct 15, 2009 4:28 PM EDT
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Today's UFC 104 conference call featured Light Heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida and challenger Mauricio "Shogun" Rua. Anyone hoping for a personal feud angle to build the fight had to be sorely disappointed. From MMA Fanhouse's Twitter feed:
Machida says Shogun is a down-to-earth person. Says Shogun has done a lot in his career to make Brazil proud.
Shogun has trained with Lyoto before during Chute Boxe days. Shogun likes Machida. Thinks he's a great guy and a great fighter.
The one bit of information I hadn't heard already had to do with Shogun's training for the fight:
Shogun says his entire training for this fight took place in Curitiba, Brazil with Ninja, Andre Dida and old trainers/team from PRIDE days.
Machida also talked a little bit about his unique karate style (first is from Fanhouse, next two are from Mike Chiapetta):
Difference between Machida Karate and shotokan? Machida brought back the original karate moves that were eliminated from sport karate.
Lyoto says 1 reason his karate works in MMA is because he brought back previously used elbows & knees that no longer used in sport karate.
Lyoto says he's happy to bring traditional martial arts into the cage, but has worked on adapting his karate for MMA for a long time.
As much as I like both of these fighters, it's hard to get too pumped about this fight because Machida is such a prohibitive favorite. Shogun is coming off of back-to-back wins over fighters who are on the edge of being put out to pasture. Before that he had two massive knee surgeries. So he's not what he used to be, and even if he were, it's not clear that he would be that formidable a threat to Machida.
Fortunately the event features a #1 contender's match between red hot heavyweight prospects Cain Velasquez and Shane Carwin. Oh wait, between red hot heavyweight prospect Cain Velasquez and UFC-newcomer-coming-in-off-a- loss-win-in-a-meaningless-tuneup-fight Ben Rothwell.
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Man, the pre fight smack talk is gonna suck. =)
by grein on Oct 15, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The last part about the Karate cracks me up. It’s like in Lord of the Rings or something, they have to find an old spell that’s long forgotten to save the day.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from the depths of Mordor, Lyoto Machida comes…
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Oct 15, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One does not simply back-pedal into Mordor!
by brad23 on Oct 15, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kid Nate
Rothwell is not coming off a loss, he beat Chris Guillen at Adrenaline 2 back in December of 08
by bigdmmafan on Oct 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m ready for this fight. More to see Machida fight again then for the match up per see. Machida is such an elite fighter that you know you will get something amazing every fight.
by Reciprocity on Oct 15, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
super stoked to see shogun test himself against machida even if he is a horrendously big under dog =) i personally think it will be a 5 round war!!!
"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb
by RearNakedPoke on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate you're gonna make me cry
No need to rub in the loss of the great co-main event. Hopefully the under card delivers.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 15, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See?
Pre-fight fake feuds are not needed. I am pumped as hell for this fight.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Oct 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun totally snubbed Lyoto when he was offered a ceremonial glass of pee.
Keep firing Assholes!
Never trust a man with no shirt on.
by Ubernoober on Oct 15, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
In this picture
Lyoto is uttering a silent prayer for Shoguns arm for it to heal quickly after he breaks it.
by JayKim41 on Oct 15, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there needs to be a feud between the two to hype the fight. Shogun used to be the number one ranking guy for the LHW and Machida is a guy no one has figured out yet. This is how the UFC is selling it, and I’m pumped for the fight regardless. This is going to be a war, people here are looking past Shogun, but this fight is going to be more competitive than ppl think. I know I have been saying Shogun will take this decisively, but the truth is that I’m just pulling for Shogun because I’m a bigger fan of his than Machida, he can win and so can Machida, but if it’s Machida that will end up victorious, it’s not going to be an easy fight as many ppl seem to think. Shogun will be no doubt Machida’s biggest test to date.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Shogun is going to surprise a lot of people on the 24th. He is far from done, and I think we need to start looking past his battle with Coleman — Mauricio is way better than that.
He will hit Machida, and it will be a great fight. I certainly don’t see this being as one-sided as most people think.
by goodbones on Oct 15, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He won’t hit him. He will be fighting an invisible dragon with touch of death fists.
Hwatcha!
Keep firing Assholes!
Never trust a man with no shirt on.
by Ubernoober on Oct 15, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida is great, there is no denying that, but I don’t think Shogun should be taken too lightly here — and I’m not even that big of a Shogun fan.
by goodbones on Oct 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you so sure Rua can hit Machida? Because he hit Grandpa Liddell? Shogun was ranked #1 three years ago in a different environment under a different set of rules. Machida isn’t invincible but Shogun sure as hell won’t be the one to prove it.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
and you don’t think Shogun is Machida’s biggest test to date? Who is the best fighter you think Machida has fought? and who do you think can beat him?
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best fighter Machida has fought is BJ Penn. I realize BJ was fighting way over his weight but that doesn’t change my answer. He also gave Rich Franklin his first loss. Lately the best guy he has fought is Rashad who I’d pick to beat Shogun right now. I don’t think any of the top contenders can beat Machida right now but by late 2010/early 2011 I could see Jon Jones or Gegard Mousasi beating him. Silva probably could beat him but that fight isn’t happening.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
to me Shogun can crush BJ, Rich and Rashad. I can see your point with Gegard, but don’t keep your hopes up with Jones hehe. hey, if Shogun either wins or gives a really tough fight, will you do a 180 on the matter or will he still need to prove himself to you?
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Shogun can beat BJ, Rich and Rashad as well.
by goodbones on Oct 15, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think BJ and Rich were both more dangerous when Machida fought them than they are now. I don’t think Shogun would beat Rashad and according to my MMA calculator I’m right because Shad beat Forrest and Forrest beat Shogun.
(That last part was a joke obviously but I do think Rashad would win)
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
ok, now go back to when they fought Machida, the Shogun of that era would still beat them (to me at least). hey, answer my question though, will you give Shogun props if he wins or gives Machida a war?
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Shogun of that era isn’t fighting Machida next Saturday so that question is irrelevant. And yes, if Shogun beats him or wins at least 2 rounds of the fight I will give him big props.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think BJ and Rich were both more dangerous when Machida fought them than they are now.
I was just making a point that Shogun would crush them then too.
And yes, if Shogun beats him or wins at least 2 rounds of the fight I will give him big props.
I’m gonna hold you accountable! :P
JK
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If shogun wins a round with Machida I will give him props. I don’t believe Machida has ever even lost a round in MMA.
by Dropkick434 on Oct 15, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be able to make a case for the last round of the Ortiz fight
by Shaun32887 on Oct 15, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not according to the judge’s scorecards.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the triangle did not work and immediately before Machida dropped Ortiz with a knee, I don’t see any way you could make that case.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In MMA or in the UFC?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 9:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Never lost a round in the UFC, lost the first round to Vernon White on one judges scorecard, and he lost rounds in both the BJ Penn fight and the Sam Greco fight.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to one judge.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bj has never been more dangerous
by cagefightonacid on Oct 15, 2009 11:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
BJ might be better than Rashad in a P4P sense, but not in a real fight sense.
Shogun might be the best test to date, but on the other hand not too long ago he was barely able to put Mark Coleman, and they were both breathing like beached whales. Knocking Chuck out isn’t nearly the deal it was once upon a time, so I really haven’t seen anything recently to indicate this is the greatest challenge ever. 2006 Shogun hardest test ever? Ok. 2009 Shogun? Maybe, maybe not. The maybes are making a fairly sizable leap of faith.
by toxic on Oct 15, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can accept your argument.
Not the greatest fight against Coleman, even though he was coming off two knee surgeries and a two year lay off. The chuck fight was not that impressive because Chuck was already KO’d twice and one of them pretty bad. But that was the fight they gave him and he did his thing. Hopefully people will look at him differently after the Machida fight :P
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 year and 4 month layoff actually. And Coleman was coming off a 2 year and 3 month layoff.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and back to back knee surgeries, something Coleman did not go through…
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Mark freaking Coleman.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the most dangerous man on earth :P
I’m kinda kidding here, but really, look at the list of people that beat him in the past decade, he could easily be Randy Couture had he stayed in the UFC. Mark is old, sure, but he’ll still give a beating to most mid-level fighters such as Jon Jones (I put that there to piss you off hehe). Coming off two knee surgeries and ring rust going against an old but a legend in the sport who also had a ring rust, I don’t see the problem…
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was a fair enough matchup, I still think it was a pretty lackluster showing for a guy who was the #1 LHW in the world only a couple years earlier, surgeries or not.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
so you don’t think injuries can affect the outcome of a fight? ok, I say they can, and there has been quite a few instances of that happening. You can be the best in the world, but a bummed knee that kept you out of training will affect the way you fight even against lower competition, ie shogun vs forrest, silva vs lutter (even though silva still won, you could tell it affected his fight with lutter).
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course injuries can affect outcomes, but he wasn’t injured against Coleman and he still looked like crap.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I once tore my ankle, and stayed indoors for a month just watching TV and eating, becoming a couch potato. couldn’t do much, gained 10 pounds. I wonder how long Shogun stayed without training, it’s not like he took a year and a half off and kept on training you know…
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that you’re defending Shogun, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question whether he’s got the sauce to do much right now, going off his recent history. He ended up knocking Liddell out, but most of the shots he threw were wild hooks and he ate plenty of punches along the way.
I’m not saying he won’t do well against Machida, and I always hope every fighter fights to the best of their abilities. But the cold hard truth is that Machida is an excellent fighter who has been looking great and getting better, and Shogun hasn’t looked that good in a long time. Whether that’s because of an injury or not won’t matter if he doesn’t get a lot better, and fast.
50% more Ultimate than the leading competitor.
by Dodectagon on Oct 15, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I accept the fact that people are looking at Shogun through his past few performances which aren’t that great, and I get that Machida is a great mixed martial artist (big emphasis on great) and that Shogun still has lots to prove inside the octagon (I actually did not agree with him getting a title shot already, I felt he needed another win at least against a top fighter). but I wish people wouldn’t look past him, it seems like 80% of the MMA community thinks this will be a cake walk fight for Machida and that Machida is on "another level". You have to take into consideration that two fights back (from Machida), 80% of the MMA community was calling him boring and that he hadn’t fought any legit competition and that he’d fall at the hands of any experienced fighter, now most of the same people are in his ship. I actually have always defended Machida because I myself have always enjoyed his fights, I am a fan of both fighters, just a bigger fan of Shogun. This will be Machida’s biggest fight however and soon people will realize that :P
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
by orcus on Oct 15, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry my friend.
But your boy is going down & going down hard. This fight doesnt make it out of the 2nd round.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 16, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has nothing to do with his win over Chuck ‘Dancing with the Stars’ Liddell.
But you know, sometimes you just get a feeling.
I just don’t see Shogun getting knocked out, and I don’t see him getting Submitted. I can’t tell you who will win the fight, but I certainly think Shogun will be his best, toughest, and most dangerous test to date.
by goodbones on Oct 15, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His toughest and most dangerous test to date doesn’t really make much difference because Machida is YEARS AHEAD of most fighters (Silva©), remember?
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 16, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see Rua doing much. I don’t even see the Rua of 2006 doing much. Unless Rua has pulled a GSP and worked on his wrestling and takedown abilities this is a matchup nightmare for him.
by nottheface on Oct 15, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also have a strange feeling about Vitor and Silva… but that’s a whole different story, and who knows if that fight is even happening.
by goodbones on Oct 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As far as these two hyping this fight up, I believe that their personalities and just that they authentically seem to be friends (or good acquaintances at least) will make it difficult to really hype this fight. There’s no real rivalry here, and the only thing that is making them fight is the Title. I have to go with Machida on this (even though I am extremely biased because he is my favorite fighter). If Shogun wins, it will most likely be by some sort of unorthodox strike (like the one he did on Liddell), or a possibilty of a submission. However, Machida can do the same.
by chrisbboy82 on Oct 15, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Props to the politeness. Frame it as a test of skill, like two ancient swordsman using bamboo for a friendly spar. I’m more pumped know then I would have been if there was trash talk.
by judonerd on Oct 15, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate, you’re really not excited about it because Machida’s a huge favorite? In my opinion, Machida’s in the same class as Fedor, Anderson, or Pretty Boy Floyd. They’re so damn good, I look forward to watching them fight anyone. The fact that Machida is (in all likelihood) so far ahead of Shogun, who’s a damn good 205er, is very intriguing to me.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 15, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where u been Fagan?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 15, 2009 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Rec the post peoples!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 16, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZdBLnAxpCI
Shogun by spinning low to high kick KO!
by grein on Oct 15, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun would get punched 5 times in head before he even finished rotating!
by Grappo on Oct 16, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a FANTASTIC matchup, but a lackluster card.
by Razzel on Oct 16, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you forget yushin okami’s on the card the most electrifying technical middleweight there IS! also machida is all class.ne guy who drinks his own urine is badass and has mental toughness,ne1 seen shoguns wife,….not bad muhahahahhaha,but compared to sexyyama shes not appealing
by sexyama on Oct 16, 2009 7:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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