Under Scrutiny: A Brief Look Inside the NSAC's Judging Process
For much of my small-time career as a MMA writer, one of the main focuses of my work has revolved around trying to put a spotlight on the judging processes within the world of mixed martial arts. Instead of suffering through ridiculous decisions such as the Mike Easton vs. Chase Beebe debacle or seeing insanely bad split decisions like that of the Yves Jabouin vs. Rafael Assuncao bout from WEC 43, one of my main goals was to try to converse with some of the top commissions in the country to outline the processes in which judges are brought up to a professional level and allowed to work these popular promotional cards.
In a previous article, I talked with the NJSACB's Nick Lembo regarding the state of New Jersey's process in maintaining a competent stable of judges while also bringing up new judges. One of the main focuses involved the training of applicants. What do they look for in a fight? Do they take in account a fighter's offense from the back? Interestingly enough, New Jersey seems to be one of the few states in the United States with an extensive program for applicants to work through in order to become professional judges. I was satisfied with Lembo's answers to my questions, but I wanted to know more about commissions across the country.
My focus for this piece was to talk about the Nevada State Athletic Commission's own judging process for applicants and how these judges were trained in order to understand MMA. Keith Kizer kindly took some time out of his schedule to reply to my emails regarding their process, and it is surprisingly similar to that of the NJSACB.
The NSAC, like the NJSACB, has its own "shadowing" program for applicants. New applicants "shadow" judge amateur bouts alongside professional judges in order to gain experience and knowledge about scoring a MMA bout. All the professional judges are easily accessible to answer questions from those applicants in order to gain a better understanding, and Keith Kizer himself scrutinizes the applicants' judging cards in order to assess their performances.
Kizer also stated that a review process is also in place, and that poor judging can result in some judges being dropped from judging professional events. One of the main differences between New Jersey and Nevada is the criteria for judges. New Jersey requires some sort of martial arts background while Kizer simply stated that "Judges can come from various walks of life, but need a "judging background" to do the pro events. Judging the amateurs and attending judges’ training events is important.". As long as applicants prove that they are competent and get their experience through the process, those applicants can become professional judges.
Like New Jersey, Nevada also encourages judges to attend any seminars available to increase their knowledge. These would include sessions involving training on jiu-jitsu holds and specific technical parts of a MMA fight in order to score bouts correctly.
Initially, I was a bit hesitant about applicants not being required to have a mixed martial arts background. This would obviously allow boxing-only judges to convert to MMA judges within the state, but there is a system in place for those judges to prove they are competent enough to judge fights correctly.
Now, this isn't to say that the system can't have flaws. Obviously, poor judging can happen at any point, but the real solution is dropping those poor performing judges from the stable of professional judges. Luckily, this is in place in Nevada currently. Obviously, there have been some questionable decisions in Nevada over the past few years, and the main gripe has been the value of the takedowns versus working off the back. With any system, problems are going to arise, but the NSAC's process is easily one of the best in the country when we consider states like Texas and Virginia in the mix.
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Are any of these knowledge increasing seminars required? Or do judges just learn to judge from other judges? If the judges they learn from aren’t good to begin with that doesn’t strike me as a particularly good system. There should be a required amount of knowledge for the judges in regards to striking, takedowns, clinchwork, and submission fighting. Is there even a test to take?
Cecil Peoples has some martial arts background, Karate black belt I believe, so that’s not really a good requirement either. Peoples only has a background in striking I believe and if anything his background might bias him more than some person given a liberal education in all the different forms.
I’ve also always wondered; do judges have access to monitors to watch the fights as we seem them?
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe New Jersey requires them to attend these seminars. Kizer didn’t specify, but I believe they are required to attend, at least, some of the seminars.
Judges don’t have access to the monitors, unless they peep the tvs in the arena, and Lembo stated that judges at the side of the ring sometimes have obstructed views, which sucks for judging.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 14, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No access to the monitors?! That’s insane. I’ve never been to a live UFC but it’s my understanding that seeing the action through the cage is difficult from various angles. To expect accurate judging under those circumstances is absurd.
Suppose a judge sits by the cage during a fight and can’t tell what’s happening in an exchange (the aggressor has his back to the judge). The aggressor wades violently in but all shots are blocked, then the defender slips backwards on the mat. To the judge it looks like a knockdown and he scores it accordingly. Am I missing something or is what i just laid out a possible scenario?
Do you think you could get an interview with an actual judge? I never hear them defend themselves, and I’d be curious if they ever watch the fight on tv and see it differently.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just know the Lembo brought that up as a point in how judges have a hard time seeing the action, so I’m assuming they don’t have access. Seeing action through the cage isn’t the difficulty, it’s when they are on the opposite side of the cage from where the judges are sitting. I always thought the judges should move around the cage to where the action is, but apparently that doesn’t happen.
I’ll try to contact some judges though, that’d be a good interview.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward to that. This series is good stuff.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make it mandatory to have a certificate from Big John if you want to ref MMA.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Oct 14, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
VA requires a BJJ blue belt or three years grappling. and a $50 course. I think one of the judges that turned in a card for Easton runs the class. After which you can judge amateur events.
In MD, the state I applied for, you submit a resume with you exp and you can be accepted to judge amateur bouts. Now this is a new process since they don’t even have the completed regs for amateur MMA yet, but I hope to be part of the early stages in MD and I hope to see a process develop.
by szucconi on Oct 14, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is Kizer’s explination for John Schorle? This guy has been fucking up all over the place! And hopefully If Kizer is a man of his word MMA/Boxing will never see Schorle EVER again.
by EVeezy on Oct 14, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Was that in Nevada? WEC 43 was in Texas, and I believe he was a part of the California commission
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