Anderson Silva Doesn't Think Vitor Belfort Has Earned a Title Shot, May Not Fight at UFC 108
by Kid Nate on Oct 13, 2009 8:52 PM EDT
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Steven Marrocco gets the story for MMA Weekly:
(Anderson Silva's manager Ed) Soares maintains a title eliminator between Nate Marquardt and Dan Henderson is the most logical idea for Silva's next contender, given their recent victories and Henderson's 2007 win over Belfort in PRIDE Fighting Championships. He first pitched the idea to White following UFC 102 in August, but White did not commit.
They also are complaining since Belfort had trouble making 195lbs for his UFC 103 fight against Rich Franklin:
Soares believes Belfort's weight issues may persist should his fighter accept the fight.
"Vitor has not fought in the UFC at 185 pounds," he said. "Now, I know people can say Anderson fought for the belt after one fight, and that's true, but he fought at 185 pounds. At 195 pounds, he didn't make weight, at first. So he couldn't make weight at 195 pounds, but now he's going to fight for the title at 185 pounds?"
On top of that, Silva's elbow surgery apparently discovered more complications and may prevent Anderson from fighting at UFC 108 at all:
"It's doctor's decision," he added in English. "My elbow is hurt, but doctor Chad says come back to training, come back to fight."
On Wednesday, the champion is scheduled to begin physical therapy after getting his surgery stitches removed. Soares says a decision on Silva's fight-readiness will be made in 10 days.
From my perspective this is just more mischief from Silva and Soares.
Check some of their other antics:
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Just fight the guy! Ktnxbai.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Oct 13, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fucking rec’d. Silva is such a goddamn prima donna these days.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 14, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Ed Soares.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 13, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I hate him too, glad it isn’t just me.
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 13, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Sick and tired of his little games.
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by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be good cop/bad cop but without speaking Brazilianese it’s hard to know who’s playing the games.
Half the time Soares looks like he’d rather jump out of a window than translate Silva’s last sentence.
by casey manrique on Oct 14, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
I love Anderson in the cage…but I am getting sick of this stuff outside it.
by Razreshat on Oct 14, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a high risk/low reward fight for Silva right now. Belfort hasn’t been a big draw for awhile, and it won’t necessarily be a big payday for Silva. Obviously the idea of Belfort not being able to make middleweight is a silly talking point but it’s still true that Belfort is largely unproven in the weight class, especially within the UFC. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a good fight, but it’s a hard sell unless Vitor strings together a couple wins at middleweight.
Ed doesn’t work for us and he doesn’t work for the UFC, he only advocates for Anderson. All the twisted quotes and fake injuries help Silva get the fights that make sense for his career, whether we like it or not.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its all bullshit, hes a champion, fight who that put in front of you. He worries about not making money yet he turns down every fight offered ass backwards dont you think?
by Riley_96 on Oct 14, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when has it been mandatory for a guy to actually earn a title shot before he gets a title shot.
I agree with him on this though, but the UFC wants Belfort in there now with Silva because if he fights either top contender be it Marquardt or Henderson again he’ll lose.
by scrambledeggs on Oct 13, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. It’s clear by now the UFC doesn’t necessarily award title shots based on who is most deserving: it’s about what makes the money. Belfort / Silva makes complete sense.
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by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry did you just say he will lose if he fights Marquardt or Henderson?
It’s doubtful at this stage in his career that Hendo has gotten any better since the first beating he took from Silva.
Marquardt has improved, but Anderson is improving all the time as well. Blackhouse might be the best training camp in the world. The first time Anderson attacked the strongest aspect of Nate’s game and outwrestled him and finished with GnP. Why should we expect a different outcome if Silva’s weakest attribute beat Nate at what he is best at.
Really Vitor is the most intriguing b/c there is a chance he might just outstrike Silva. With the other two I feel like you tune in just to see Anderson add to his highlight reel.
by HighNoon on Oct 14, 2009 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was talking about Belfort
losing to Henderson or Marquardt
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by Kid Nate on Oct 14, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
that’s exactly what I was referring to. Thanks from now on I guess I should be perfectly clear.
by scrambledeggs on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I questioned Belfort making weight back when he had trouble at 103, so I understand the worry.
Additionally, he has a legit point about not winning a fight at ‘85 in the UFC yet. But ultimately, Silva needs to fight someone and if he’s not interested in fighting Hendo or Nate, than fight Belfort.
The injury / surgery thing is the wild card too; health is always a variable.
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by E. Spencer Kyte on Oct 13, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He made the weight twice without problems for Affliction. Not to mention he was only a quarter pound off of weight at 103.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 13, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. at 103 he was aiming or 195, not 185. it’s irrelevant.
he’s been fighting at 185 and can obviously make that weight.
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by GregS123 on Oct 13, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats right. Irrelevant point by Soares. Plus he had his period.
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by crinow on Oct 13, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ha. vitor, through translator:
“it was, how do you say, a boy problem?”
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by GregS123 on Oct 13, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, I think the 195 catchweight
was more for Franklin’s benefit than Belfort’s.
by Razreshat on Oct 14, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These two guys crack me up.
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by AboveThisFire on Oct 13, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The weight is a moot point. He did make weight, hence “the trouble” is a non issue. His argument about Belfort not fighting at 185, within the UFC, is a valid argument.
by bubbafat on Oct 13, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SMH @ "Check some of their other antics:"
I agree that Belfort hasn’t earned a shot…and Hendo just beat him two years ago…
I was only interesting in this fight for another Silva highlight reel but I definitely wouldn’t mind seeing Belfort EARN a title shot and Silva fight the winner of Hendo/Marq if Henderson ever signs the contract that is…
by AfroSamurai on Oct 13, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scratching my head?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 13, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah ,thanks
well if you’ve been paying attention you’ll recall that they have a history of changing their stories — for instance the elbow surgery. First Anderson announced it, then Soares denied it, then Silva denied it, then it happened.
Basically I think they’re jerking Dana around with bullshit because they think they can get a bigger payday or easier fight against someone else.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 13, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if you’ve been paying attention…
I didn’t say it.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 13, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically I think they’re jerking Dana around with bullshit because they think they can get a bigger payday or easier fight against someone else.
They had an easier fight and turned down Matt Hughes. Maybe he had to have the surgery but just a few weeks ago D-bag Soares said he was ready to fight any time. It is almost certainly about money.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 13, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly feel like Silva just does this stuff because the UFC doesn’t interest him anymore. Maybe he’s trying to piss the UFC off so much that they fire him and he can box RJJ?
by gzl5000 on Oct 13, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it unlikely that Silva would turn down multiple 7-figure paydays for ONE boxing match that will pay him less than one UFC fight. He just wants a raise.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaking my head
i know its a long shot but……..what if his elbow really is hurt?
by AfroSamurai on Oct 14, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s Anderson Silva’s place to say who he should be fighting, it’s the UFC and Joe Silva who tell Anderson who to fight and when. If the UFC thinks Vitor is ready, Anderson should take the fight.
I remember reading an article that alleged that Anderson was posturing and playing games in order to be on bigger cards against bigger draws, so he could get a larger chunk of the PPV dollars… if that’s the case I don’t understand what Anderson and Soares are doing. 108 will be the New Years card, and there isn’t really a bigger fight than Vitor at MW right now.
by Excelsior! on Oct 13, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is really no good evidence to suggest that Vitor is a “bigger fight” than Henderson or Marquardt (especially Henderson).
by JRN on Oct 13, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off in my opinion I think at this point a Vitor fight sells a few 100,00 more PPV’s then a Henderson rematch and definitely a Marquardt rematch,The only good Evidence will be Zuffa throwing there huge media machine behind Vitor which they can do right now becasue casual fans will want to see this New fighter to them who Ko’ed Franklin fight Silva.
by Shocbomb on Oct 13, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant it in reference to PPV draw. Since the most recent common opponent is Rich Franklin I dug up the numbers from those events:
UFC 93 Franklin vs Henderson
UFC 103 Franklin vs Belfort
The difference isn’t amazing, but with Belfort bringing in almost one third more than Henderson, I would have to say Belfort is the bigger draw. Again, I didn’t do a big in depth look into the whole situation, but based on a cursory glance I would say Belfort is a bigger draw and his match against Rich Franklin was definitely the more exciting of the two.
by Excelsior! on Oct 13, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, Hendo’s fight with Rich was on a European PPV before he did TUF and knocked Bisping dead on the biggest ever UFC PPV.
by rabrown on Oct 14, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don’t know the answer but couldn’t the difference be Crocop? I don’t know how much of a draw he is in America these days, but another 100k buys sounds about right to me. It’s also possible the simultaneous scheduling of the Mayweather fight had an unintended effect of bringing attention to the night’s UFC.
And of course, neither number is official, which could account for a 100k difference as well.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also the PBF fight was also the same night as the Belfort fight
by Riley_96 on Oct 14, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contrary to what Dana White claims, having all the fighters under one promotion doesn’t save them from the problems of boxing.
The UFC do their best to keep fear in the belly of their fighters by cutting guys with names big and small for even minor slides. A lot of the UFC fighters are clearly scared of getting cut and have that in the back of their minds when they fight, no doubt leading to better fights. It puts most fighters in a sort of master/slave relationship with the UFC where they do what the UFC tells them and don’t give them any backtalk.
Anderson Silva is the #1 or #2 fighter the UFC has, he has no fear of being cut. He isn’t as powerful as a Floyd Mayweather is in boxing, but he obviously calls the shots when it comes to who he’s fighting. Remember; he said Hendo and Marquardt should fight each other before Dana White did. White and Joe Silva obviously wanted him to fight Hendo, Anderson said no, and that was that.
I don’t know what Dana White was thinking announcing Vitor’s title shot without conferring with Silva first, he now has to backtrack and look like a wimp, and that’s no good for his toughguy persona.
Playing games to make more money is how business works. Silva and Soares are playing the UFC like a fiddle.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ED: how bout you just tell us when he'll be ready to fight...
…and spare us your fantasy matchmaking suggestions.
enough spin to make fox news proud.
by woooburn on Oct 13, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If this is some kind of ploy to get as much money as possible – I encourage it wholeheartedly.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Oct 13, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 13, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just when Anderson is on the verge of being a casual fan favorite...
…is the time to step up and solidify that reputation by fighting and giving the fans what they want to see.
Rather than play these game and turn the UFC and the casual fans off of him.
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by GregS123 on Oct 13, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The casual fans won’t hear about these games.
But i totally agree that if he wants to solidify himself as a fan favourite now is the time for him to step up & fight.
Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.
by MMAussie on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casual fans don’t care about Belfort or Silva. Belfort can become a big name again by going on an exciting winning streak. Silva will never be a big draw in America because he has dark skin and doesn’t speak English.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Ed Soares turning into the Brazilian Vadim Finkelstein?
I kid, I kid. Vitor hasn’t earned it IMO. He hasn’t even fought at 185 in the UFC. Let him take on Nate if Hendo’s negotiations keep stalling out. That makes more sense than Vitor getting fast tracked.
People are stupid.
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by Deo Wade on Oct 13, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vitor hasn’t earned it IMO. He hasn’t even fought at 185 in the UFC.
I don’t understand this. Dana stated if Fedor had signed he would have gotten an immediate title shot, is that unfair since he has never fought in the UFC? I’m not trying to comapre Fedor to Vitor but I don’t think a guy should have to win “X” amount of fights in the UFC to get a title shot. He had a 4 fight winning streak coming into the UFC and now has won 5 in a row, I think he’s deserving.
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by ufc4 on Oct 13, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bah
1st of all his 4 fight win streak was against guys that are no where near the caliber of the UFC’s Top 5 Middleweights. Beating washed up, possibly mid-tier fighters, and a guy that doesn’t even have a weight class shouldn’t earn you a title shot. Secondly Fedor doesn’t deserve an immediate shot at the UFC Heavyweight Title if he ever signs either. Not having to fight “X” amount of fighters in order to get a title shot is flawed logic. If we use that logic, then Alessio Sakara could get a title shot or Jason “Mayhem” Miller could get an immediate title shot if he signs with the UFC.
People are stupid.
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by Deo Wade on Oct 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While that’s a nice theory that is obviously not always the case in the UFC, see Brock Lesnar. What we think someone needs to do to “earn” a shot doesn’t really matter, the UFC is a business that is trying to maximize their profits, plain and simple. The only person these matchups need to make sense to is their CFO.
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by ufc4 on Oct 13, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a sport where any top 10 fighter can beat any other top 10 fighter on a given night, who cares anyway? Belts only interest me because they are a useful tool for enabling high quality fights to happen. To me, getting too caught up in the pseudo importance of a belt is missing the forest for the trees.
by Jahbulon on Oct 13, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Can I get a yayuh? Where were you when I was making this exact same point a couple weeks ago. The guy just didn’t get it. It was all about the belt for him and not the fights.
But yeah, the belts are there for the fights, and not vice versa.
by Dooda on Oct 14, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as much as i’d like there to be a merit based system in the UFC, where everyone had to earn their spot fair and square, we just don’t have that right now.
and in the absence of that, the fights that there are natural momentum for and that the fans want to see are:
- Vitor vs Silva
- Marquardt vs Henderson
given the situation that we’re in, these are the two matchups that make sense now, and should both be at UFC 108.
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by GregS123 on Oct 13, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Title shots are not about who is deserving. It’s about the money. There’s more money in Belfort / Silva, rather than Marquart / Hendo / Okami vs Silva. Otherwise those fights would have been made by now.
Also, Vitor is on a hot streak right now. Marquardt and Hendo are no jokes. The UFC probably doesn’t want to risk Vitor being derailed by one of those guys. (Considering Hendo already beat Vitor once).
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by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea
Hendo is bullshiting
by AfroSamurai on Oct 14, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is annoying
Silva really just pisses me off more than anything, I hope Vitor KOs the hell out of him
by Shaun32887 on Oct 13, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yyyyyuppers. Agreed. Can you say, DIVA?
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Same here. I’d like to see Silva knocked down a peg or two.
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by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the fight does happen please remember to bet on Belfort. Thanks.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man what I wouldn’t give for him to have the same attitude as GSP. Good lord he’s complicated and picky. He’s obviously trying to buy time for something.
by Dooda on Oct 13, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP is 6 years younger and will no doubt fight at least that many more years. Anderson has talked about retirement for a couple years, and is clearly looking to get his big paydays now so he can do so comfortably. Not a fair comparison.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not comparing him. I’m saying, I’d love for him to have his attitude. And any comparison is fair in any case. Anderson’s attitude sucks. The fact is, Anderson always complains about who he’s fighting, whether it’s in fight performance or whether it’s in not taking fights or claiming injuries. I’d love for a straight up dude like GSP, who doesn’t feel the need to play all the games. Yeah sure they’re in different stages of their career. I don’t give a rats tush about that. I want to see Anderson do his job and fight and not nitpick.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting big paydays. You can be straight up with magagement and work with them. He just sort of acts like a spoiled brat about things.
by Dooda on Oct 14, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a BJ Penn fan, I’m starting to feel grateful for the beatdown that GSP put on him. At the end of the day, I just like watching fights, and it is starting to seem like thrill of a fighter going on an amazing streak like Fedor or Silva is outweighed by the bullshit that comes with it. Thanks GSP for keeping BJ’s ego in check!
by Jahbulon on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not the biggest BJ fan in the world, but the guy has the toughest schedule of fights that I’ve ever seen.
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by Ubernoober on Oct 13, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely, with BJ the problem is getting him to fight in his own weight class. If he had beaten GSP, he’d be pursuing a fight with Anderson or a rematch with Machida right now.
by Jahbulon on Oct 13, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ had beaten GSP he would be retired in Maui right now while puppies lick peanut butter off of the soles of his feet wearing both belts telling everyone how he’s the greatest fighter of all time.
Either that or pursuing a rematch with Machida.
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by Ubernoober on Oct 13, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact
According to FightMetric, the fighter who did best against Lyoto was… BJ Penn
by Shaun32887 on Oct 13, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he had some good success cutting Machida off in the ring.
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by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four and a half years ago
(still, I reserve the right to bring up the fact that Machida beat BJ when and if I need to reference Machida’s ossumness.
… actually I hate referencing that fight.)
by Grappo on Oct 14, 2009 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ still wants to fight GSP. Again. He’s never letting that one go. But I give him props for being so good at LW. WW is just too much for him.
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by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what though? BJ went 4 whopping rounds with GSP (no small feat) and was still on auto-pilot when his corner threw in the towel. I see something in BJ now that wasn’t there before. I’m not sure what it is, but I think that BJ can potentially come in and figure out how to stuff GSP’s takedowns. I know, no one has. Can BJ? Who knows? Is it impossible? No. BJ’s had two cracks at him now to figure him out. I dunno, I’m starting to feel like a couple great wins at LW, maybe 1 or two convincing wins at Welter, then give him another shot. Maybe it’ll be a great fight.
FWIW, I’m a GSP guy. Always have and will be. Not a huge Penn guy, but lately I like what I’m seeing from Penn, and just because he was decisively beaten, I don’t see it a stretch for BJ to go in there and make it competitive.
by Dooda on Oct 14, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva vs. Dochin
Who wins?
Sorry Anderson, but you can’t fight Thales Leites and then say Vitor hasn’t earned a title shot.
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by SSreporters on Oct 13, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It DOES seem a little odd that Anderson is more than willing to fight Leites and Cote but they give him Vitor and he is like “who the hell is this guy?”
Of course, he is right about who is most deserving of the title shot but he is not the matchmaker and Hendo isn’t even signed. If its about the money then fine, just pay the man and let’s move on.
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by MyFistYourFace on Oct 13, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he basically only agreed to fight leites because chuck was on the card
by yngjzy on Oct 13, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what's up with Cote?
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by SSreporters on Oct 13, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cote was a replacement for okami and iirc okami was basically the only other dude in line at the time. i might be wrong about that though
by yngjzy on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Okami was really the one true contender before he broke his hand, and with Bisping just getting done fighting and Nate coming off a lose they had to choose from Leites or Cote, perhaps even Maia.
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true. Cote-Almeida was billed as a #1 fight. Cote was going to get a shot anyway.
by gunranger on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh right right forgot about that fight but still they really only did have two choice’s in Cote and Leites, and what bad choices they turned out to be.
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 14, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasnt happy with either of those fights, hence his performances.
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by Day Man on Oct 14, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything Andy does is about money. I don’t see how anyone can be mad at him. If you were in his shoes, you’d do the same thing. A fight with Mir, or someone else even has the potential to draw a higher yield of buys and ticket sales. Of all the MW fighters though, Vitor and Hendo (this time) would attract the most money. I think he should take the fight, but I don’t blame him for wanting to get more money out of his body while he can.
To the above poster, Andy only agreed to fight Lietes because it was in Canada and Liddell was on the card. He earned a nice % of that show’s profits.
by TheAlphaNerd on Oct 13, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you were in his shoes, you’d do the same thing.
Please don’t make that generalization
by Shaun32887 on Oct 13, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Silva’s a legend and has more than paid his dues. He deserves to be paid some back in his twilight.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's avoiding a boring fight
Anderson has been scarred by the backlash from his victories over Cote and Leites, and he knows Belfort will try to counter for 5 rounds while Anderson outpoints him.
by Razzel on Oct 13, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
this
razzel, you are exactly right… it will likely be a slow, counterstrike boo-fest from the fans… these guys are both so talented and would be very wary. I would enjoy it, but its not going to boost his popularity.
I’m ok with this fight, im ok with a fight with Hendo (the most legit fight in my opinion), but honestly i would be most interested in a fight with Mir… Can the most talented fighter in all of mma beat a legit HW? I was a man who was very disappointed that Holyfield (the holy impregnator) refused to fight a prime Roy Jones jr, that would have been dynamite.
by chimps on Oct 14, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be blatantly obvious at this point that Silva doesn’t care about fan backlash, just winning fights.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
silva cares about money
his contract is pegged to ppv numbers- he cares about fans buying ppvs… did you watch his razzle dazzle against forrest? That was a showman. It was a perfect style fight for him, forrest is aggressive, silva is a counterstriker and generally conservative.
Leites was fighting a bjj match, extremely conservative, and the fight sucked. Silva doesnt want to fight another conservative fighter if he can help it.
by chimps on Oct 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, on second thought that sounds about right to me.
This is like the first day I’ve replied to one of these posts and I maybe wrote too much and read too little.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah if you’re Anderson you don’t want this fight with Belfort. His quick powerful hands can do damage. You want the Henderson fight. His slow and predictable grinding style for Silva would be like fighting a sophmore, not to mention Dan’s aging body and cardio. The last thing Silva is worried about is a fight with Hendo. Hendo has absolutely no chance of even getting close. The first fight was intriging, the second fight isn’t. No way Hendo get’s him down in the second fight. What’s Dan gonna do? Work on his speed and explosion? Work on being able to do more damage when he gets him down? Work on submissions so that he can submit him when he get’s him down. Develop power in those tine hammerfists he landed in the first one?
Vitor on the other hand, the dude can throw and has the speed to potentially catch Anderson. Not that he will, or that he’ll come even close, but it’s damned more intriguing then Dan.
Nate, on the other hand, I’d like that fight, and his ability to tailor a game plan and his ability to come up with new skills to counter Silva’s awesome arsenal.
by Dooda on Oct 14, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need to be careful not to get Dana too pissed off. He’s not as big of a draw as he thinks he is and Zuffa probably has him by the balls contractually.
They can probably extend his contract because he’s missing time because he’s injured, and if they offer him the fight and he turns it down they can extend it more. Zuffa will probably try to keep this stuff from getting out in the public to prevent another Randy or Tito-like situation, but Silva should just get in the cage and fight. He’s going to have to fight Vitor and the winner of Hendo/Marquardt, so he might as well just get the fights over with. The only way those fights don’t happen is if they somehow force Vitor to fight someone else and he loses, but I doubt that makes the situation any better for Silva.
by Phildo on Oct 13, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s Dana gonna do? Fire his best middleweight for Vitor’s sake?
White obviously has little reign over Silva, he’s going to fight the winner of Henderson/Marquardt because he said so. The only other possibility is the UFC offers him more money. I bet Silva’s shaking in his boots at that prospect.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not going to fire him, he can just not budge on the salary.
If dana offers the fight and they decline time on the contract stops ticking, and the dream fight with RJJ gets pushed further into the future. He signed a contract to fight x times for y amount of money, he has to do those fights for those dollar amounts.
Silva wouldn’t even be able to make an excuse that they aren’t big enough fights, he’s saying he won’t fight the people that independent rankings say are the 2, 3, or 7th ranked mws, so he can’t make that argument.
by Phildo on Oct 14, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Dana offers the fight and they decline they offer the winner of Henderson/Marquardt. He already turned down Hendo so I’m not sure why you think Vitor is going to be any different.
We don’t know what his contract looks like, so there’s little point discussing it. I’ve never seen evidence of the championship clause or if it applies to everyone or whatever, but if Silva really wanted to fight RJJ I imagine he would just retire from MMA first. His contract could prevent him from doing that, we don’t know.
He never said they weren’t big fights, just that they weren’t earned. He wants #2 and #3 to fight each other, and then fight the winner. He’s already beaten them, it’s not unreasonable to expect them to face each other before they get another shot. I think it’s a fun fight anyway.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a pretty good idea what his contract looks like, there is most definitely a champions clause and even if he retired he couldn’t fight RJJ if all the fights on his ufc deal weren’t fulfilled.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure there is a bigger payday for Silva at 185, with the exception of Wanderlei, who clearly doesn’t meet the “hasn’t earned a title shot” qualifier that has apparently been instituted by Soares and Silva. It seems pretty fishy that the two guys they are complaining the most about (Hendo & Belfort) are the ones whose weapons pose the biggest threat to Silva. There isn’y anyone else at MW who has anything more than a puncher’s chance of beating him. I used to be a huge Silva fan, but may have become the biggest crybaby in all of MMA.
by Velcro on Oct 13, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They haven’t complained about either, simply said that they should face off to determine a legit contender. If they wanted an easy fight they’d be asking for the weaker of the two, not the stronger.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just kind of wish Anderson and ED said how does Vitor get this fight when Okami has desereved a shot at the title for some time now .If he beats Soneen its about time he fights Anderson ! I guess I am still hoping that one day Okami will get his fair shot but I think that’s a pipe dream ?
by Shocbomb on Oct 13, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Demian Maia adds his two cents:
"Vitor is a man who deserves to be among the best. Dan Henderson and Nate Marquardt have already faced Anderson so the UFC wants something new. Vitor sells like hot cakes, especially now. Other guys fought
Anderson but not Vitor and it sells more. It’s a question of business"
From Fighters Only
by Scott Haber on Oct 14, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can’t say I disagree with anything he said.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Oct 14, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maia’s a dude that gets it.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another question of business is timing. Whatever Silva v Belfort is worth now is less than it could be a year from now. Let Belfort build his name back up and you could actually have a huge main event.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maia is a smart man, he knows that if you sell PPVs and tickets you get title fights early, isnt that right Mr. Okami
by IRodC on Oct 14, 2009 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem isn’t that he doesn’t want to fight Vitor, it’s that he doesn’t seem to want to fight anybody. Retire then, because this is getting old.
by Razzel on Oct 14, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure if the UFC would let him then he would.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 14, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silva can retired whenever he wants. He just can’t fight for anyone else after the fact, or go box so long as he’s champ, I believe.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Oct 14, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, the UFC wont let me do what he wants to if he chooses to retire with his title, therefor he cannot retire because of the UFC.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 14, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wants to box he’s not retiring.
If he wants to retire from fighting there’s nothing the UFC can do to stop him.
by Phildo on Oct 14, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wants to fight the winner of Henderson/Marquardt. He’s made that perfectly clear.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this has finally broken me of being an anderson silva fan
i used to be a HUGE anderson silva fan (alhtough i still respect his fighting abilities) however, this is the proverbial straw/camel’s back for me. i have been increasingly disheartened at silva’s lack of willingness or ‘drive’ to solidly defeat his opponents when he fought cote and leites; and then gave a bullsh*t response to the criticism that he was simply doing his job to win even though it was lackluster at best. then his subsequent bs re: who he “is in the mood” to fight and who he isn’t really turned me off.
i agree w/ the above poster who calls suares a brazilian vadim finkelstein and i DON’T kid about that as he did. what happened to being a fighter and fighting whoever is put in front of you? i can understand having an opinion sometimes about who you’d like to see next, but this is just ridiculous at this pt.
anderson is effectively pulling a rampage-light screwing up the ufc’s plans by constantly saying who he wants to fight and who should be the next challenger and then coming up w/ excuses and/or convenient surgery related postponements that will make him “unable” to fight belfort (of course the doc will say he can’t fight at 108 now that silva doesn’t want belfort). and you can add the unwillingness to fight machida to this as well.
i’m not a big fan of dana white at all but i’m just about ready to hear him let loose on silva and suares over this crap and just tell the guy who he is fighting and when, plain and simple. it’s sad really when a fighter who you’ve admired for their unprecented skill and talents can actually make you root against them b/c of their behavior and attitude.
by theflyingtsunami on Oct 14, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m still a huge Silva fan but this is getting ridiculous, lets go back to a Silva that comes in does his job, doesn’t slack off, doesn’t make excuses to not fight, his manger I think is getting alot of shit into Anderson’s head, so I don’t solely blame it on Andy, but fuck man, stand up for yourself, if you wanna go down as one of the best p4p in the world, fight Vitor, no excuses about weight and all this random bullshit.
by Takun on Oct 14, 2009 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jeezz...i can't spell tonight....
unprecedented…….
by theflyingtsunami on Oct 14, 2009 1:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson can try and play all the games he wants but thanks to him resigning with the UFC and holding the MW belt he’s fucked. whether it’s at UFC 108 or UFC 110, Andy will fight Vitor it’s irrelevant what him or Soares think about it. This guy is really living in a fantasy world if he thinks he can call the shots, bigger name fighter have tried and been humbled so will he if he keeps this bullshit up.
by Raker on Oct 14, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He can, in fact, call the shots. To a certain extent, not outside the stipulations of his contract. He’s trying to milk as much money as he can out of his final years and he’s going about it in a much smarter way than Couture did.
by omigawda on Oct 14, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vitor just KOed Lindland and Franklin. Both guy’s were easily in the top 5 at the time. Nate hasn’t beaten a top 5 guy in the UFC yet, and Hendo only beat one in the UFC with a coin flip split decision over Franklin.
Vitor has just done more lately
by HighNoon on Oct 14, 2009 5:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 MMA republicans.
Does not compute.
by Zack Gobie on Oct 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has been blown out of proportion
He isn’t saying he wont fight. They said they took the fight against their wishes out of respect to Dana.
He will fight who they want him to fight “if” he can be cleared in time to be 100% healthy before the fight. No fight Silva gets at this stage of his career is an easy fight. He just questioned Belfort’s ability to make weight. Soares said his primary goal right now is breaking the record for consecutive title defenses. His next defense sets the record. He doesn’t want to risk another Lutter situation where he would have owned the record now if Lutter would have made weight.
I’m sure he feels if he has to fight without the title on the line, he would rather it be at 205 against a bigger name money fight. Cutting weight and training for the title defense only to possibly have your opponent come in over sucks when you’re trying to set a record..
But at no point does he say he wont fight Belfort either.. He just say’s that he has to wait 10 days to see what the Dr.‘s have to say.. He plainly states they’ll fight whoever the UFC wants them to, only if Anderson is 100% healed in time for the 108 card..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Oct 14, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Now that sounds more like it, and more like Anderson.
The Brazilians my brother trains with say that Anderson is routinely mistranslated/misquoted.
by Razreshat on Oct 14, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always wondered this since his manager is the one translating him. Does anyone hear speak Portuguese that could shed light on this?
by Zack Gobie on Oct 14, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really mean to tell me that internet MMA fans took a quote out of context and got all in a tizzy about it? Well I never!
by JRN on Oct 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whine whine whine
Are MMA fans going to continue to complain and whine about every statement that Ed Soares or Anderson Silva makes. Everybody talks. Ed Soares is doing his job how he sees fit. He’s aware that Belfort was able to make weight in Affliction. He’s just talking. Silva recently said Shogun doesn’t deserve a title shot. So what. Everybody talks.
- In the end will he be in the Octagon and fight? Yes.
- Will he win or lose? Yes.
Everyone can speak what they want, right? I have to worry on my own words and not about what other ones say… If he criticized me there must be a reason, who knows? I’m calm because I never did anything bad to him. So if he says such things he is being unfair and it will be hard for him a day . . . I don’t give a damn on his words. Even a parrot talks. – Mauricio Rua
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 14, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This seems to be the straw that broke the camels back. I was a longtime fan, and I stood by him even when he was being bratty before. But it’s over. I’m excited to watch him fight, but I no longer care about him, and I hope that he gets wasted by Vitor.
by Dooda on Oct 14, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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