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The Hidden Cost Paid by Professional Mixed Martial Artists

How many mma fighters will end up living out their own private version of "The Wrestler"?

How many mma fighters will end up living out their own private version of "The Wrestler"?


Jake Rossen of Sherdog has a powerful piece on the real costs of trying to make a career out of MMA:

J.R. Minkel, a Scientific American contributor, recently wrote an article for Real Fighter exploring the brain matter of combat athletes -- not the abuse suffered, but the neural pathways created or damaged by both their choice of profession and daily intake of it. He quoted a sports psychologist from the University of Florida as having taken an informal poll of prizefighters and grapplers. Out of the 400 who responded to his petition to take an online questionnaire, nearly a quarter exhibited symptoms of depression.

Is this surprising to anyone? Think about the odds of performing to parity on the 15 or 25 minutes when it counts the most. Does anyone's income ever normally come down to less than a half-hour two or three times a year? Even jobs that require some kind of stellar public presentation or faultless performance often forgive a misstep. But in fighting, you need to trip only once.

The emotional pressure is overwhelming; physical punishment piles it on. Concussions have been inexorably linked to depression -- as many as 40 percent of head injuries could result in neurological disruption leading to behavioral changes or mood suffocation, according to a study at Montreal Neurological Institute of McGill University. Count concussions suffered in training and you're smart to buy stock in Pfizer.

There are real troubles on the horizon for the majority of athletes in this sport who lose as often as they win, who hobble their way through their 30s and who never experience the lucrative financial or emotional rewards of being a champion. They're already hurting themselves, and others -- and the sport has barely gotten started. Boxing, home to a longer legacy of punishing the people that love it, can point you to 60 suicides committed by its participants in the past decades.

We've seen the terrible toll exacted by the MMA lifestyle already. It's not just Junie Browning. It's Justin Eilers. It's Evan Tanner. It's Justin Levens.

I know many of you are going to object that MMA had nothing to do with the Eilers tragedy. Maybe not, but alcohol certainly did. And Eiler's profession was repeatedly brought up at his killers' trial as relevant evidence.

And yes, Evan Tanner might very well have come to a sad end without MMA, but there is no doubt that his peripatetic career played a role in his struggles with alcoholism and depression.

And I know that most only care to condem Levens' final horrible acts and prefer to pretend that he was just an isolated bad apple and that MMA had no role in his drug abuse, depression and personal acts of violence.

I assume everyone's seen The Wrestler with Mickey Rourke. How would you like to be starring in the version that is Pat Smith's real life these days?

And we haven't even touched on the long-term impact of head trauma on the fighters.

Attempting to competing in this sport at a high level comes at a very high price and that's why we owe it to the fighters to treat them with respect and to work to expose the failings of the officials and promoters who control their fates. Jordan Breen gave our own Luke Thomas a very nice shout out yesterday and I want everyone here to see it:

In the wake of the Mike Easton-Chase Beebe debacle last week, it was shown that thoughtful and pointed criticism can force the sport's regulators to accept responsibility. Instead of letting that fight go down as a random regional main event in which a rightful victor was robbed, BloodyElbow.com’s Luke Thomas -- who I'm now even prouder to call a contemporary -- was able to take the Virginia Professional Boxing and Wrestling Program to task for its inadequacy, and other concerned parties followed his lead. Resultantly, an investigation into the bout's outcome has been launched, and justice may reign yet.

It is a testament to the adage that "sunshine disinfects," and proof of why it's time we let the light flood in and let no malfeasance go unpunished.

MMA is too dangerous to leave it to corrupt and/or incompetent state officials and promoters who are focused, by necessity, on the financial bottom line.

Another thing that would help is the creation of a fighter's union, but that's something they'll have to take the lead on for themselves.

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good post, kinda sad because I think the trauma is just part of the game… not sure how a union would work in the long run or how that would affect matchups..

by cagefightonacid on Oct 13, 2009 12:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Fighters should definitely get paid better

especially those who are not superstars … but I’m not sure what you can do about depression and/or head trauma. Forrest Griffin says in his book that most fighters come from broken homes and had horrible childhood (of course there are exceptions like BJ Penn and Florian) , so to most fighters it’s the depression that made them fight not vice versa.

by JoelMan on Oct 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

more money for these guys listed, eilers, junie and levens would have just made them worse. could you imagine what junie browning would do with a million dollars. he’d be dead in 6 months. i didn’t see what this article had to do with fighters pay anyway.

by bdw on Oct 13, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe you’re right I don’t really know

by JoelMan on Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most MM-Athletes are happy with what fighting gives them in the present—including amateurs and $500/fight pros.

If we start tallying up the cost/benefit of all potentially self-destructive behaviors we’ll be here for some time.

by casey manrique on Oct 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

true.

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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I especially enjoy the comments from the occaisional morbidly obese inlaw who asks me why I would “do that to my body” while licking the cheeto dust off their sausage fingers.

by casey manrique on Oct 13, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Great article and some points made in this article reminds me why I have been so concerned about Herschel Walker being allowed to fight. Such as this here:

Concussions have been inexorably linked to depression — as many as 40 percent of head injuries could result in neurological disruption leading to behavioral changes or mood suffocation, according to a study at Montreal Neurological Institute of McGill University.

So if Herschel Walkers gets KO’d there is a 40 percent chance it could result in neurological disruption leading to behavioral changes or mood suffocation. I’m not sure that is a good thing for someone with multiple personality disorder. I hope whatever Athletic Commission has to sanction Herschel Walker consults qualified doctors to get their opinion on the dangers of allowing him to fight.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Oct 13, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In this economy even more fighter can suffer from depression if financially they don’t have all their expenses covered not having that financial security and knowing that your career could end at any moment can be a lot pressure for one human being

by IRodC on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First, that was a great article by Jake Rossen.

I think the argument that Antonio McKee, Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida and Floyd Mayweather Jr. brings up is very valid to this article.
 - McKee has no qualms about being conservative and doing just enough to win a fight.
 - Mayweather Jr. has no interest in engaging in a crowd pleasing brawl just to please fans.
 - Anderson Silva was heavily criticized for not taking more risk and demolishing Cote and Leites. He argued that he suffered no injuries and fought his game. Note, the same game he has employed against all of his UFC opponents.
 - Lyoto Machida prior to UFC 94 was really fighting defensively to be safe, fight his style without getting hit.

McKee, Mayweather Jr. and Machida has been heavily criitcized for being boring. Yet at the end of their careers the only wear and tear they will suffer will be from their training. Anderson Silva two fights were anomalies compared to the rest of his fights in the UFC but the backlash he recieved considering what he has accomplished in the Octagon was astounding and in my humble opinion . . . really bizarre. All the aforementioned fighters are very successful while preserving their bodies and ability to fight in the future because they fight their way.

Then there are fighters like Wanderlei Silva who will put his health and future in harm’s way to please the fans. Sad but true many fans are now saying that he should hang it up and totally disrespecting the Axe Murderer as a fighter.

End note, this article fails to mention that some MMA fights ends rather quicly with little to no damage due to a slick submission.

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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 13, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And on damage in training...

Anderson said he spars twice a week. More time on skills, less time betting blasted?

by casey manrique on Oct 13, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rourke

Could play a helluva Evan Tanner…

by ThomasJ on Oct 13, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm… I think you’re right.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn’t this movie based off part of the “beyond the mat” docu with jake “the snake” roberts? i think pro wrestlers take the most punishment to the head and to the rest of the body than any other “pro” atheletes and are more succeptable to abuse painkillers and or alcohol and suffer from deperssion alot more. jmo.

by bdw on Oct 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno, how that comment has anything to do with what Thomas and Leland were talking about, but yeah, Pro Wrestlers have it rough. I don’t see how the human body could function without painkillers and other drugs, going through what they do so often. And being on the road so much really effects you, some people who never traveled much don’t know what I’m talking about, but when you age and realize you’ve never settled down, never had a real home, that effects you as well.

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by kyfm621 on Oct 13, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An Evan Tanner movie…never crossed my mind, but Evan’s character really fits a Tragic Hero role, and Rourke does look like he could nail it.

If Lee Murray can get his own film about his heist, Evan Tanner can have a movie about his life. Alot of people who are ignorant don’t bother figuring out why Evan’s fans care about him like they do and just think he was a drunken wanderer who fought MMA…he’s so much more than that. An Evan Tanner movie actually has alot of potential, I think.

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by kyfm621 on Oct 13, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rourke is too old and ugly to play Tanner

plus even in his hey day he was too cool, Tanner was a little bit goofy. Someone else would be better for the role. perhaps a mutant cross between Matt Damon and Matthew McConaughey and someone really tough….obviously I’m not a casting director.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 13, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with a lot of the commentary on this article. For one, three fighters simply isn’t representative of the whole population of MMA fighters, and therefore, it is extremely hard for me to conclude that MMA really had anything to do with the tragedies that happened to them (you can even name twenty fighters, and that is still not representative of the population of MMA fighters). Junie Browning didn’t all of a sudden develop bipolar disorder on TUF 8, so to say that it was MMA that caused him to do what he did and ignore his documented troubled past is really pointing the finger at the wrong person/thing. Maybe, and only maybe, being in the UFC and its limelight gave him added emotional pressure, but I have a hard time believing that this MMA lifestyle caused him to do what he did.
Two, what is the MMA lifestyle, and what is it that is so negative? I know that the professional wrestling lifestyle includes being on the road for most of the year and temptation happens because there is no one to check up on you like in the Wrestler. I understand that training camps can be 8 to 12 weeks, but for many (not all) fighters, they still get to see their family after training or at least not be in some unfamiliar city unlike professional wrestlers.
Three, using the Wrestler as an example of what can happen to an MMA fighter is almost comparing apples to oranges. Like I said, the professional wrestling lifestyle includes being on the road for most of the year with no one to keep a wrestler in check and doing bumps almost on a daily basis. Yes, MMA fighters have to spar in the gym and that does cause damage to the head or body, but there is protective gear and light sparring for a reason.
I will agree that the emotional pressure is overwhelming and physical punishment piles it on, that is just undeniable. There is also cause for alarm about concussions in this sport even though I feel it is safer than boxing. But at the same time, that is just the nature of the sport of MMA. I sympathize, but I also know that that is something that cannot really be changed, and that is the risk that fighters have to face when they signed on to be an MMA fighter.

by chrisbboy82 on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the anecdotal evidence is just to give the readers an emotional connection

the actual evidence is the 40% of fighters surveyed who are battling with depression.
What’s brutal about MMA, aside from the physical trauma and low pay (for most fighters) is the pressure to perform at key moments. If I have a bad day at work I go home and try again tomorrow. If a fighter has a bad day at the office his career could be over in a flash.
Saying it can’t be changed is all the more reason to continue to focus on the dark side of the sport so fans realize they’re seeing athletes make real sacrifices. In the end I’d like to see funding for psychological and medical support for fighters whose careers are over.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 13, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MMA is definitely not the only sport with that type of pressure though.

How about career minor leaguers in baseball? Or practice squad players for the NFL. Most professional athletes have moments that can make or break a career, and I think that’s the risk in chosing a sport as a profession.

by WestbergIDFC on Oct 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points.

Although career minor leaguers or practice squad NFL players are far less likely to be cut based on one performance than an MMA fighter. I agree with you in principle though.

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by dnevil001 on Oct 13, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those athletes

also benefit from belonging to established players unions that help with health care, etc.
MMA fighters are on their own.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly understand the sentiment of the article but the “studies” and numbers leave me uncomfortable. An unnamed “sports psychologist from the University of Florida” takes an “informal poll” of 400 people and “nearly” 25% have symptoms of depression. There are a lot of vagaries in there. As well as I bet if I took a poll of 400 I.T. professionals a lot higher than 25% would have symptoms of depression.

“as many as 40 percent of head injuries could result in neurological disruption leading to behavioral changes or mood suffocation, according to a study at Montreal Neurological Institute of McGill University.” (From the Sherdog article) When the word "could’ is inserted any number is possible. It really destroys any meaning for the sentence.

Logically it would seem the conclusions are correct. I just don’t see that the supporting evidence is much more than anecdotal.

by jrobb20 on Oct 13, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point

i point to the anecdotal evidence.
; )

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by Kid Nate on Oct 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah statistics

You misquote the facts Nate. 25% not 40% display symtpoms…

As a licensed mental health professional care to know the avg rates of depression in the overall population? You guessed it, 25%. This article also only mentions “symtpoms of depression”. Of the 9 criteria in the DSM IV, a person must display 5 or more over a 2 week period to be diagnosed with clinical depression…were i to survey everyone on this site right now, I would wager a guess that nearly 100% would show some “symptoms of depression” with no indication of how many criteria are actually met.

That doesn’t even get in to the validity or lack there of of the study, but even assuming it is valid, all this study shows is that MMA likea lmost any profession, has the same depression rate as society as a whole…go figure.

Don’t get me wrong, emotional trauma and a history of depression, broken homes, etc certainly plays a part in MANY people’s motivation to fight (both that I see as clients and as sparring partners at the gym)…however, the same is very true of clergy, doctors, and even therapists themselves.

by cherubimzion on Oct 13, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ah good catch

thanks

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by Kid Nate on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I was trying to get at. You just did it much better. :-)

by jrobb20 on Oct 14, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is a very good post...

every time i see some one get KOed…all i can think about is how many more do they have left…its like a countdown. i really hope fighters will come together and will get into a union, which will hopefully give them a good insurance and will protect their rights as fighters. regular check ups and cat scans also would be nice…specially if a fighter knows his fighting style is the brawling one. no one will help them unless they help themselves. as a fan i think im educated enough not to boo a fighter for fighting his game… but i know lots of fans are not like that…

by 1WAYtiket on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Jake, SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Be quiet, we need the facts hidden as best as possible =)

by Razz on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, quit being a buzz-kill!

by casey manrique on Oct 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

If for no other reason than I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen the word peripatetic used outside of a Calvin & Hobbes strip.

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by CasualMMAFan on Oct 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What about the “MMA lifestyle” promoted by tapout, and all these magazines popping up? It’s all live hard and live fast. Maybe the way being a fighter is like the new rockstar has a part to blame.

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by actionbastard on Oct 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point.

by bdw on Oct 13, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the MMA lifestyle was simply strict dieting and training. Who was the time to live hard and fast if they’re busy learning and studying new disciplines or aiding their training partners for their upcoming fights.

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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Posers.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Oct 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck Liddell and Ricco Rodriguez (when he was fit) come to mind.

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by actionbastard on Oct 13, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Out of the 400 who responded to his petition to take an online questionnaire, nearly a quarter exhibited symptoms of depression.”

I’d imagine these days a quarter of north american society being depressed in any sample size survey would probably be an optimistic figure.

by DirtyML on Oct 13, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wear and Tear Happens in Athletics

That’s just the way it is. Any sport where hitting each other in the head is going to result in some brain damage, let’s just face it. Concussions are a favorite way for the NYT’s to whip the NFL, joint wear and tear on pitchers, boxing head trauma, you get the idea.

A fighter’s union is never going to solve this. Their representation can only insure a minimum amount of pay and some health benefits, they’re not going to be interested in dialing down the dangers in the sport. The NFL’s player union does little to insure the pay and safety of some of its lowest members. Median NFL pay is only 800k a year, which I would argue is just a little higher than UFC yearly pay (with sponsorships, bonuses, multiple fights ect. et al).

Sports are a tough way to make a living, a lot of natural talent, hard work and right place/right time elements are involved. What we should really question is whether we want to watch two people who are voluntarily risking their future for our own entertainment or not. For myself, I feel comfortable turning the mirror around and putting up my hard earned dollar and time for the athletes. Individual choice is the deciding factor for me.

by Meester on Oct 13, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Median UFC pay would be drastically less than 800k a year. Just saying.

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by kyfm621 on Oct 13, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of the 400 who responded to his petition to take an online questionnaire, nearly a quarter exhibited symptoms of depression.

So what?

This says nothing about causality. Even if 25% is high, do combat sports cause depression, or does depression make you want to participate in combat sports?

by judonerd on Oct 14, 2009 3:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very common non-sequitur. Correlation does not equal causation. Good point.

by jrobb20 on Oct 14, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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