The Week in Quotes: October 4th - 10th
by Mike Fagan on Oct 11, 2009 8:32 PM EDT
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WHAT? YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO SEE HUGHES-ST.PIERRE IV, V, AND VI?
"I don’t have any problems with Koscheck or Swick. They’re just guys who want to beat someone who has been in the sport for awhile, to beat someone who has held the belt." - Former UFC welterweight champ Matt Hughes (Heavy.com)
"There are plenty of older guys out there with big names who can fight, too." - Hughes, like Carlos Newton, Dave Menne, and Renato Verissimo, right?
"I like to take fights where I’ve got something to win. If I take a fight against Mike Swick or Josh Kosheck, I’ve really got nothing to gain from that fight besides a paycheck and beating somebody up." - Hughes. Who are you going to fight then?
"Royce Gracie was a big fight, you know? It was a huge name, a guy that had won the old tournaments in the beginning." - Hughes
"Those are the kinds of fights that gets me into the gym ready to train and work." - Hughes.
THIS WEEK IN HEAVYWEIGHT SUICIDE WATCH
"I was very, very disturbed after the loss to Dos Santos." - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, commenting on his loss to Junior dos Santos at UFC 103. (Fighters Only)
"I was in such a state that I wished to hang myself in my hotel room so I would be gone." - Filipovic. Someone needs to make sure Mirko and Andrei Arlovski do not get within 50 feet of one another.
"I am seriously thinking about hiring a psychiatrist to help me out. I have already made some calls about it." - Filipovic. Probably a good idea.
"If someone offered me millions of dollars to quit my career right now I would not accept it. [Fighting] is my life and I don’t know any other way to live." - Filipovic. What about the fishing trip?
I BELIEVE IN RESPECT BY DISRESPECTING YOU
"I feel like I have paid my dues and so have a lot of fighters waiting for their shot." - Heavyweight contender Shane Carwin, who's set to face Brock Lesnar at UFC 106. (Five Ounces of Pain)
"Brock is what they call a ‘Draw,’ he sells tickets, I am what they call a ‘Fighter,’ I fight who I am told to fight the way my coaches train me too." - Carwin, who will find out the hard way that Brock Lesnar is also a "fighter".
"To me this sport is as much about respect and honor as it is paychecks sound bites." - Carwin. Please live up to this ideal and stop giving interviews.
TITOWNED
"The only thing Coleman is afraid of when it comes to Tito is contracting swine flu from that dirty ass d-bag." - Mark Coleman's trainer Mike DiSabato, defending Coleman after comments were made by Tito Ortiz. Coleman pulled out of their UFC 106 bout. (Fighters Only)
"We all know where he lays his head down at night." - DiSabato.
"Tito wants to get personal with a legend? OK, let's get personal - we can all go to our porn collections and watch what Tito sleeps with night after night." - DiSabato. Unfortunately, there's such a disconnect between Jenna now and Jenna then, that it really ruins the whole process.
WHITE NOISE
"I don't remember being pissed about the Kimbo stoppage." - UFC President Dana White (Bloody Elbow)
"Then Roy jumps up and looks at me like 'What the [expletive] Dana?' Like I'm up I'm over there telling the ref, 'Don't stop this fight'. Like I have input or something. That was my first beginning of getting [expletive] irritated with Roy Nelson." - White, not Jared Shaw.
"Then he runs over and asks me to go get him a [expletive] Whopper. That was my second starting to get [expletive] irrated with Roy Nelson." - White, walking a line dangerously close to Brock Lesnar's Bud Light fiasco.
PARTING SHOTS
"It looked like a couple of high school kids, a barroom brawl. The fat biker dude took his vest off and put ranch dressing on his (chest)." - UFC Heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar, commenting on the Kimbo-Roy Nelson fight. I have Lesnar actually watching the fight at +350. (Yahoo)
"I was never a Fedor fan. ...He is just another man to me. I'm just going to go in there and I'm going to smash him." - Brett Rogers, good luck with that.
'The UFC only has like three top lightweights: Gray Maynard, BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar, so this way I can fight most of the top fighters in the world outside of the UFC." - Jorge Masvidal. (Tapology)
"Is there anyone better than me? For sure, but we don’t know where he is." - UFC middleweight champ Anderson Silva. (Fighters Only)
"Do you know who I am? I will kill you and rape your family." - Junie Browning, everyone. (Las Vegas Review-Journal)
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I love how people defend Brock, saying he’s just “playing the heel,” he knows how to play “the villain” and knows that people will pay to see him fight in case he gets KO’d.
How is what Carwin is doing ANY different? He’s playing up the babyface angle, trying to turn it into a showdown of GOOD© against EVIL® and trying to make more money for himself by promoting the fight that way.
Yet the people who defend Lesnar always seem to be the ones screeching about Carwin. Maybe that means he’s doing his job well?
by gzl5000 on Oct 11, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe it has more to do with Carwin contstantly contridicting himself than being pissed that he’s trying to play babyface.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did he contradict himself?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 11, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, for one, Fagan nailed it pretty good with the “respect by disrespect” thing. He’s also saying Lesnar is a draw and he’s a fighter, yet the entire point of what he’s saying in these interviews is…to try and draw fans into watching the fight.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it has more to do with Carwin contstantly contridicting himself
Assuming you’re right and he is lying in order to draw in fans, instead of honestly answering questions that someone asked him – where does the constantly come into play?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 11, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s constantly doing interviews.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 12, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a fighter who goes out and fights. Ok why you doing all these interviews about how you hate brock. Get over it guy.
by Dav11 on Oct 12, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that made sense.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 12, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the same reason people hated the Rocky Maivia character. It’s boring. Annoying. Self-righteous. Brock Lesnar may hunt down homosexuals in his backyard, but at least he’s entertaining.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 11, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and this is, after all, sports-entertainment.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 11, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it’s because Carwin is such an awful interview.
The guy is such a Quim. I completly agreed when I heard somebody say his comments make him sound like a real-life Hank Hill.
by GoldenOldie on Oct 11, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's OK for Hughes to beat up on a past-his-prime legend, but not Kos or Swick?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 11, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But it was Royce Gracie! and besides, Gracie wasn’t losing matches when he returned to the UFC, he was still winning and very competitive.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 11, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the 3y leading up to that fight, Royce was 1-0-2, beating only Akebono, a sumo champion; Hughes was 6-1.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 11, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-0-2 is stilll unbeaten
and did i mention that he is Royce frickin Gracie?!
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 11, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's Matt frickin Hughes
The fact that Gracie is a legend doesn’t explain why Kos or Swick can’t get their crack at Hughes which was the original point.
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Hughes vs Gracie was a mega fight while fighting any AKA member is not, he doesn’t want to be a stepping stone and he shouldn’t have to be.
Besides is there any point to this damn division? I mean soon 3 out of the top 5 will AKA and they will continue to duck each other.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 12, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And take turns getting murdered by GSP.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True stuff, everyone is just fighting for 2nd place right now, only way they can beat him is if all three fight him at the same time.
Betting odds would still be GSP -220 AKA +175
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 12, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess my point was that Hughes used Gracie as a stepping stone, why can’t the AKA guys. Rashad used Chuck, Franklin used Shamrock, Brock used Randy. That’s what happens to legends when they die. I didn’t really voice that well.
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes was already a Hall of Famer, the Gracie win was just the cherry on top. Liddell was coming of a big win and if he won against Evans he would have been in the title picture again, same goes for Randy (to stay champ) and Shamrock.
The biggest difference in the names you mentioned to whats going on here is that both guys had something to gain from there fights, in this case there is no reason for the fight.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points, but I think it just brings up the fact that Hughes has absolutely nothing to gain from any fight anymore.
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Dennis Hallman of course, revenge is always a good reason to fight someone. Besides that then no not really, not sure why he is even still around to be honest.
Well actually maybe Hughes vs Serra II, but that’s about it.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 12, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have told them that he would fight one of them, but only the best of the three, so they should fight to determine that.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 12, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well i think we all know who the best out of the three is… tbh he should fight the worst one which would be Swick, I actually think that he is be the only one that Hughes would/could beat.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thing is he keeps mentioning things but not names
Hw wants a huge name. Ok well who is huge name to you Matt? Ken Shamrock? Tank Abbott? Do you want BJ to come up to WW again?
I think Matt realizes that he is too old too hang with Fitch, Swick, Koscheck, Alves, Condit etc..
I guess we could always see if Lytle is available again.
by bigdmmafan on Oct 11, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s angling for a fight that was offered to him but didn’t end up happening. A middleweight title shot against Anderson. When they couldn’t find a main event fight for UFC 105, they asked Matt if he’d take the fight and he said yes. Anderson said no.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I’m not surprised Anderson said no I’m just shocked they tried to set that up. Hell Hughes/Silva would be a worse beatdown than GSP/Hughes 3.
by bigdmmafan on Oct 11, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were REALLY desperate. Silva would have obviously murdered him, but they wanted draws.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He pretty much laughed at the idea of it, apparently.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just laughing at the idea
I mean how do you sell that
He’s the pound 4 pound greatest fight on the planet and the other guy has only beaten Lytle and Serra lately but by god its gonna be a war.
by bigdmmafan on Oct 11, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
I don’t think Matt would have time to put on 15 lbs of muscle, and Silva probably can’t come down much further than 185
by Shaun32887 on Oct 11, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’d attempt to sell it on the myth that Anderson’s one weakness is wrestlers. You’d think that beating Hendo would have put that to rest, but apparently not for some people. It might have got some casuals to tune in, but hardcores would shit all over it.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo did outwrestle him for an ugly first round. However, I don’t think Hughes is as big or strong as Hendo, nor was his wrestling a factor in the 2nd round…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 11, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and Hughes isn’t nearly as good of a wrestler as Hendo.
by Ask Jeebs on Oct 11, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, as pedestrian as Hughes’ striking is, he has nothing with which to try and set up take-downs against a much bigger and more athletic fighter. At least Hendo’s big right hand can keep Silva somewhat honest.
by Velcro on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did those photos make anyone else feel like they were being slammed into a locker?
by casey manrique on Oct 11, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought they were a print ad for Glamor Shots in the mall
"Let's kick some names and take some a$$"
by StayGoldLikeFlair on Oct 11, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Is there anyone better than me? For sure, but we don’t know where he is.”
We still don’t have the technology to create a being superior to Anderson Silva in skills.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 11, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We didn't create Ryo Chonan with technology.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Oct 11, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryo Chonan has superior skills to Anderson?
by Big4Nuthin' on Oct 11, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He beat Anderson.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yupp.
It was Ryo via luck.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Oct 11, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Five years ago.
Diaju Takese also beat him six years ago, and Luiz Azeredo beat him nine years ago (according to Wikipedia).
I think it’s safe to say that Silva today is different fighter than Silva back then.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 11, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was explaining the Chonan reference, not agreeing with it.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was replied to you, but wasn’t meant to you directly. Just adding to the conversation :)
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 11, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was sarcasm in response to someone saying Ryo Chonan is more skilled than A. Silva because, this one time, he caught him in a flying heel lock.
by Big4Nuthin' on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from watching the whole fight it looked like Ryo was ahead in the score cards as well. However, you have one video with Josh Barnett commentating after the fact that Anderson was cruising to a victory until Ryo suddenly pulled the flying heel hook
by YoungGun on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question was “Is anyone better than me?”, not “Have I ever been beaten?”.
Are you saying Ryo Chonan is better than Anderson Silva?
by Razzel on Oct 11, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shibby?
She-bang?
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Oct 11, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a serious note...
Frank Mir just got in a street fight with Garth Brooks when Garth called Miguel Torres “overrated”.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Oct 11, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chonan beat Silva
Baroni beat Chonan
I think the only real way to know who the best in the world is to have A.Silva vs Baroni. UFC make it happen!
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 11, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy balls!
Baroni would disrespect Silva up and down the block before that fight, and then when they acually did fight, it would be Silva via teabag.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Oct 11, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to make sure Mirko and Andrei Arlovski do not get within 50 feet of one another.
Well done Mike well done.
by bigdmmafan on Oct 11, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rogers has a BIG mouth
It’s one thing to not let your opponent inside your head, but he’s getting ridiculous. I’ve almost convinced myself that he genuinely doesn’t know who Fedor is, and his handlers are keeping it that way.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 11, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s taken out of context a bit. He’s not saying he dislikes Fedor, simply that he doesn’t follow him and doesn’t know a ton about him.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just here
any time he talks about Fedor, he sounds WAY too confident. Again, I understand that you need that going into a fight, but he’s taking it to a whole new level. The fact is, Fedor is a dangerous opponent, and you need to show him some respect; Rogers is making it sound like he’s fighting a can.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 11, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t think Rogers knows what he’s up against. He’s confident because he’s like an ostrich with his head in the sand.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Oct 11, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Like I said, I’ve almost convinced myself that he genuinely doesn’t know who Fedor is.
I can almost hear the post fight interview…
“We were preparing for that overhand right, so I got him down… man, that was a slick armbar.”
by Shaun32887 on Oct 11, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lest we forget
It wasn’t too long ago that Rogers was changing tires at a local Sam’s Club. He doesn’t exactly have a storied history in the sport, so why are people shocked that he doesn’t know much about a heavyweight that mostly made his name years ago in Japan?
by lowellthehammer on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so why are people shocked that he doesn’t know much about a heavyweight that mostly made his name years ago in Japan?
Because he’s fighting him. It seems like it would be a good idea to know what you’re up against.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it would seem, but you can’t tell me you don’t know of a handful of fighters who make it a point that they don’t research or gameplan in particular for specific opponents. Koscheck comes to mind.
And didn’t Rogers say this same kind of stuff about Arlovski? Seems to me that all of the hardcores are just pissed off that Rogers isn’t making a giant deal about fighting their hero.
by lowellthehammer on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That method worked out great when Kos fought Paulo Thiago…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It worked pretty good
against Diego Sanchez, Dustin Hazelett, and Yoshiyuki Yoshida
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not commenting on effectiveness
I’m just saying that it isn’t like he’s intentionally being disrespectful, he’s just saying he doesn’t know much about Fedor and everyone acts all pissed off about it as if he’s some cocky asshole. Plenty of other fighters do the same thing, it just seems like Rogers gets a bunch of hate because he doesn’t know about the internet community’s favorite fighter.
by lowellthehammer on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just sounds a bit ridiculous that’s all . If Belfort said he didn’t know a lot about Silva and he’s gonna smash him wouldn’t it sound weird ? This is the same . Rogers doesn’t have to be Fedor’s fan club manager but that same cockiness blew up in Sylvia’s and Andrei’s face…
by JoelMan on Oct 12, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it also be a good idea to tell the world exactly what he’s doing for training and his gameplan for the fight?
by Phildo on Oct 12, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, time scale is no excuse
I’ve been an MMA fan for a little over a year, but I’ve seen most of Fedor’s big fights.
I would expect an opponent to make a similar effort
by Shaun32887 on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say Rogers probably prioritizes training over watching tape, or lets his trainer watch the tape for him and form the gameplan. Personally I wouldn’t think this isn’t the best decision, but it has worked well for him thus far so who are we to tell him otherwise?
by lowellthehammer on Oct 12, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bleh , training over watching tape ? they train 6-8 hours a day , he could’ve watched all of Fedor’s fight in one day if he wanted to. My guess he did btw , this is all talk.
by JoelMan on Oct 12, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Rogers or Carwin have a chance at beating Fedor or Brock. Maybe I will eat my words and be wrong but I just think both men are getting too much hype.
Especially Fedor/Rogers I could easily see this going like Fedor/Sylvia. Rogers has no ground game and Fedor is one of the best in the world on the ground.
As for Carwin/Lesnar I dont think Lesnar will want to stand with him and so if it goes to the ground I just hope Brock can show us some of those new submissions.
by bigdmmafan on Oct 11, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They showed the Gonzaga/Carwin fight the other day
and I think I agree with you, I’m betting on Lesnar.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 11, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know! How dare he not worship an altar of Fedor in his closet and praise him to the heavens like the rest of us!
Keep firing Assholes!
Myself, I have simple tastes. I like to kill my enemies, and take their gold and women.
by Ubernoober on Oct 11, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he needs to worship the guy
but he’s starting to sound almost naive to me.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Matt keeps fighting a few more years….I really enjoy seeing him get his ass handed to him.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Oct 11, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Hughes vs Tim Sylvia at a catch weight? Or no weight division New Years Eve unsanctioned freakshow? I’d buy that for a dollar!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 11, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Hughes vs. Ray Mercer
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 11, 2009 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
’The UFC only has like three top lightweights: Gray Maynard, BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar, so this way I can fight most of the top fighters in the world outside of the UFC." – Jorge Masvidal.
Obvious his last loss by submission must have caused Jorge to lose some brain cells because that is just a stupid comment.
by Raker on Oct 11, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that Brett Rogers chargin in and winging left and right hooks is a good gameplan… cause what the hell else is he going to do?
Keep firing Assholes!
Myself, I have simple tastes. I like to kill my enemies, and take their gold and women.
by Ubernoober on Oct 11, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ive been out of the loop for a minute
whats going on with hughes? i dont really understand why anyone’s talking about him.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 12, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Swick and kos have been calling him out.
Keep firing Assholes!
Myself, I have simple tastes. I like to kill my enemies, and take their gold and women.
by Ubernoober on Oct 12, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesner Shmesner
It’s just funny to me… Lesner has gotten a lot of soft fights going into the UFC, and I’m sorry but Randy Couture is washed up, and I don’t think he’s nearly the “figther” so many fan boys are making him out to be.
Carwin has gone the hard road, and fought real competition away from the big lights.
by Machida Hadouken on Oct 12, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lesner has gotten a lot of soft fights going into the UFC
First of all it’s Lesnar, with an A. Second of all, that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. Name me another fighter whose second, third, and fourth pro fights were against guys anywhere near the caliber of Frank Mir, Heath Herring, and Randy Couture. And Carwin has faced tougher competition? Was that a joke?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real competition like Sherman “The Tank” Pendergarst. LOL, OK! XD
by Big4Nuthin' on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m consistently surprised by how hard people’s opinions have switched on Brock Lesnar by watching him beat Frank “I beat Wes Sims” Mir.
Before the Mir fight, the entire internet community was basically saying Brock was going to lose and how he was a joke and his wins were flukes. Now after the UFC 100 hype machine he’s the best HW in the world and nobody can beat him? It’s pretty amazing.
Even the author of these week in quotes deals keeps throwing little “BTW CARWIN IS GOING TO GET WRECKED” comments after any Brock/Carwin quote in the last few weeks. I’d love to see his write up on why exactly he thinks that is. At best I’d say this fight is very even, as Carwin nullifies pretty much every advantage Brock has. How did his amazing NCAA Div 1 wrestling fare when he was facing a Greco wrestler who was 60 pounds lighter than him? But now he’s going to just steamroll a guy who’s an NCAA Div 2 champ and just as big?
Have at it Fagan, what’s your breakdown on how Brock is going to “destroy” Carwin? I’d love to hear it.
by Jason H. on Oct 12, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because he does everything Carwin does, only better?
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think he’s going to put him on his back and grind out a decision or GnP with those weak little hammer punches he uses to say “REF, STOP IT BEFORE HE GETS UP!”?
Or a KO with the super slow and sloppy “hope one of these hits” strikes he throws?
Interesting theory
by Jason H. on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get ridiculous now
Lesnar has only ground out one decision “with those weak little hammer fists.” He’s stopped both Randy and Mir.
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, weak little "hammer punches"
by Scott Haber on Oct 12, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, you beat me to it
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else hungry for a burger?
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by nandez44 on Oct 12, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those "weak little hammer fists"
Did this:
And let’s not pretend like Carwin’s standup is some great technical boxing because it’s not.
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just imagine what his face would look like if Lesnar hit hard!
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 12, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No shit
He wouldn’t have just retired from MMA; he would have moved to Guatemala.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you mean Bolivian?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch Randy try and get up after those hammer fists?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do know Frank Mir was KO’ed at UFC100 right?
by Big4Nuthin' on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying Lesnar isn't the favorite
But Carwin might have better hands and enough wrestling to nullify Brock’s advantage.
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Randy fight showed that when facing another wrestler, Brock’s wrestling is no longer an advantage. So when you turn it into a striking match, which guy has the better striking? Watch some tape on either dude, it’s pretty self explanatory.
by Jason H. on Oct 12, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which guy has the better striking?
Lesnar easily. Carwin was getting tagged left and right by Gonzaga and got rocked badly, before his miracle punch. If it was Lesnar, he would have been out cold. Gonzaga also got Carwin to the ground with ease.
Carwin’s striking looks great against the Neil Wains and Sherman Pendergarsts of the world. Perhaps you should consider watching some tape as well.
by Scott Haber on Oct 12, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easily?
Gonzaga is a better striker than anybody Lesnar has faced. I think both guys have similar striking games. KO power in both fists but a little sloppy. If Carwin keeps it standing he has plenty of ability to knock Brock out.
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzaga is a better striker than anybody Lesnar has faced.
So what? Carwin was eating punches throughout that fight, if he doesn’t do a lot of work on his defense he is going to get KTFO’d.
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably. I don’t think Carwin has great striking either. But using the Gonzaga fight to compare Carwin’s striking to Lesnar’s is misleading, which was the argument. Neither of these guys have great striking. Both of these guys have power. Carwin has a decent chance.
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not sold on Gonzaga as a "striker"
Does the guy have KO power? Definitely…but all he does is wing bombs and head kicks. Technically sound he ain’t.
Gonzaga is a better striker than anybody Lesnar has faced.
I’d argue that Mir and Herring are both better strikers than Gonzaga. Is Gabe more capable of knocking guys out? Perhaps, but Mir and Heath are much more technical with their stand-up.
by Scott Haber on Oct 12, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could delete my fuck ups. :P
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy is a better striker than Gabe as well. Herring ABSOLUTELY is.
by VegasBatman on Oct 12, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock was winning that fight with Randy. Couture was doing a great job preventing the takedowns, but he was always on the defensive. Brock also has tighter striking, maybe not 1-punch-ko like Carwin, but he also won’t get tagged as often.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 12, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Couture is a better wrestler than Shane Carwin.
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock beat Herring and Mir using nothing but his size and strength advantage. Both guys are mid-level gatekeepers for the HW divison…Mir was the champ during the weakest era in UFC’s HW division in 10 years, when all the decent HW talent was in PRIDE. He beat Tank Abbott and Wes Sims to get a title shot vs Tim Sylvia, then came back to lose to Marcio Cruz and Brandon Vera.
Herring has been a gatekeeper since the early 2000’s, the guy who’s good enough to hang on top level but not good enough to be a champ.
Brock has a legitimate win against Couture, but that was a fight he was losing until he caught Randy with a big punch. Take away Brock’s massive size advantage and what exactly does he have over Carwin or anyone else in the division?
by Jason H. on Oct 12, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for real?
take away anderson silva’s speed and power and what does he have over the rest of is division. duh!
by bdw on Oct 12, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his speed is what makes him able to use his technique so effeciently. he doesn’t have the best takedown defense. his technique alone would not get him past hendo or marquardt. i’m not bashing silva, but saying that brock is only good b/c of his size is redonk. if that where the case, bob sapp, choi, zulu and giant silva would be dominant cahmps. brock’s size and strenght help make up for the lack of decades of experience his opponents have over him, and herring and mir both weigh around 250+, so they are not exactly pipsqueaks. brock has good skills and technique for someone with as little fight experience that he has and amazing speed for someone his size. :)
by bdw on Oct 12, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying that Brock has no skills and is size only. Just wanted to point out that Spider besides speed and power has technique, flow, accuracy, instinct (talking about striking) and a lot of other stuff.
Talking about Brock…it’s obvious that he has skills…and I agree with you.
by dancingChicken on Oct 13, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock beat Herring and Mir using nothing but his size and strength advantage. Both guys are mid-level gatekeepers for the HW divison
This was in Brock’s SECOND AND THIRD PRO FIGHTS. Name me anyone else who has fought that caliber of competition so early in their career. Anyone?
He beat Tank Abbott and Wes Sims to get a title shot vs Tim Sylvia, then came back to lose to Marcio Cruz and Brandon Vera.
And you conveniently leave out his recent victory over Minotauro Noguiera.
Brock has a legitimate win against Couture, but that was a fight he was losing until he caught Randy with a big punch
How do you think Brock was losing that fight?
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you conveniently leave out his recent victory over Minotauro Noguiera.
and it seems Mir’s win over Brock doesn’t count either ;)
by Scott Haber on Oct 12, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it count’s about as much as serra’s win over gsp. ;)
by bdw on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name me anyone else who has fought that caliber of competition so early in their career. Anyone?
Dong Sik Yoon’s first four fights were against Kazushi Sakuraba, Makoto Takimoto, Rampage Jackson, and Murilo Bustamante.
Fellow pro wrestler Yuji Nagata’s first and only MMA fights were against Fedor and Cro Cop.
Of course, the difference here is that Lesnar actually won a few of his.
by JRN on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If i remember correctly Hunt’s first few matches were against some top competition as well, beat the likes of Cro Cop and Wanderlei.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 12, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quickness, Head-Movement and Footwork.
Brock has all of these over Carwin in the striking game, and he gets better in these areas with every fight.
His quickness coupled with his reach was the beginning of the end for Randy.
Remember that first punch against Herring? I don’t think Carwin has the ability to hang with that quickness.
If Brock goes out there with a “stand and bang” mentality, Shane has a puncher’s chance.
I think Brock will keep his distance with his quick jab, avoid Carwin’s power, circle, and eventually land bombs.
What a Fashion Don’t! That’s like your dick wearing socks with sandals.
by nandez44 on Oct 12, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You could take 30 pounds off Brock and he’d still have an advantage over every other HW in that he is the fastest guy in the division.
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It's no use
Look at TUF; these guys are as big as or bigger than Brock and don’t have shit. It’s not even worth arguing with these types that still recycle this tired argument that Brock is somehow a cheat because he’s big and strong.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t consider Brock a cheat, I just think that he’s overcome serious skill deficits in fights with just his size. So when you put him up against a guy who’s the same size as him, it nullifies a lot of his advantage. Seems a lot of people here think Brock has some great technique going…I suppose we’ll see in Nov.
by Jason H. on Oct 12, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think that he’s overcome serious skill deficits in fights with just his size.
Well you’re wrong. Are Tim Sylvia, Hong Man Choi, and Bob Sapp world champions?
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant believe you guys aren't talking about their mullets!
Just LOOK at those neck warmers!
by iTap on Oct 12, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not just the haircuts that clearly are warming their necks (God bless them its october!) but look at those cocky smirks. Those are the kind of smirks that say “Hey bro, I have wrestling ability, say something about this mullet if you want to find out.”
by DirtyML on Oct 12, 2009 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hughes could scrape together a string of wins why shouldn’t he get to fight for the title again?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You really want to see him fight GSP again?
by hlebtasic on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is he gonna do that? He won’t fight anybody.
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 8:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
“Matt Hughes was a big fight, you know? It was a huge name, a guy that had won the old tournaments in the beginning.” – Hughes
“Those are the kinds of fights that gets me into the gym ready to train and work.” – Hughes.
Hughes is the Franklin of the WW Division, he exausted that fight and now has nothing to climb towards in frankly the only division he is built for.
Now what does he do? Hope GSP dies.
by DirtyML on Oct 12, 2009 4:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Franklin moved up, maybe Hughes should too.
I’d be interested in some middle weight match ups for Hughes, but I also enjoy watching him get beat up. He could make some money up there.
What a Fashion Don’t! That’s like your dick wearing socks with sandals.
by nandez44 on Oct 12, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Hughes fought Matt Hughes?
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by ufc4 on Oct 12, 2009 8:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
it was a battle of egoes
Matt Hughes won it.
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by nandez44 on Oct 12, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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