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Phoenix Rising: The Rebirth of Kimbo Slice


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MMA Payout contrasts the UFC's promotion of Kimbo Slice with that of EliteXC:

UFC put together terrific television last night, as the organization turned what many were predicting to be a disaster (i.e., Kimbo’s presumed loss to Nelson) into, well, perhaps not quite gold, but something that’s likely to keep a strong level of viewer interest through the remainder of the season, even if Kimbo does not (as was hinted in the preview of next week’s episode) immediately receive a second chance in the tournament.

UFC took the exact opposite tack as that taken by EliteXC, which promoted Kimbo as an almost unbeatable freak (recall announcer Gus Johnson’s excitement at having seen the greatest "upset" in MMA history when Seth Petruzelli KO’d Kimbo). 

Last night’s Kimbo was likable and intelligent, and even turned introspective towards the camera discussing his need to defeat his "enemy," his "enemy," his "inner me."  Truly great stuff.

There's a truism in the world of professional wrestling: for a character to become a huge draw, the performer must be able to tap into some aspect of his own personality.  Steve Austin went nowhere as "Stunning" Steve or the Ringmaster.  Fans booed Dwayne Johnson mercilessly when he played the happy-go-lucky babyface Rocky Maivia.  Shawn Michaels (real name: Michael Hickenbottom) toiled on the mid-card in an 80's hair metal tag team gimmick.

Those guys' popularity exploded when they became "Stone Cold", "the Rock", and "the Heartbreak Kid".

The difference with Kimbo should be obvious - he already draws in eyeballs.  But that draw came with a tremendous amount of backlash.  Many MMA fans (your's truly not among them) felt Kimbo received too much, too soon.  They felt it unfair for him to headline network MMA shows while a title fight between Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith filled the "lowly" co-main slot.

The argument about whether this Kimbo-hate was really misdirected animosity for EliteXC and that promotion's business dealings is a discussion for another article.  The fact of the matter is that a significant portion of the MMA fanbase rejected Kimbo as a legitimate mixed martial artist.

Enter the UFC and the Ultimate Fighter.  It's clear from last night's show that Kimbo still has holes in his MMA game as glaringly obvious as a Joan Rivers facelift.  But the pulse from the MMA community seems to converge on a new view: we want to see Kimbo succeed.

Even during his infamous EliteXC run, Kimbo never portrayed himself as anything but humble.  He understood MMA was a far cry from knocking out tough guys in back yards and loading docks.  Now, without the pretense of being a world-beater bestowed about him, it seems as if the man's true colors can shine through.

We saw numerous examples of this just last night.  From his pseudo-philosophical enemy/inner me ramblings to his "yes, sir"/"no, sir" demeanor in practice, Kimbo has begun to erode the reputation he picked up in 2007 and 2008.

While the latest incarnation of the UFC's reality show looked to improve on the level of talent of previous seasons, it wasn't until the UFC confirmed Kimbo's participation that the show became must watch television.  It's no stretch to say the ratings will see a huge drop off from last night's mega-event, but Zuffa deftly latched on to a new hook: Kimbo as the underdog, begging and clawing his way back into the tournament.  And if there's anything America loves more than tearing down its celebrities, it's watching them return to glory.

Go get that bread, Kimbo Slice.

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good piece.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

um, not this

you got WWF in my MMA. And can we get back to judging fighters by their skill rather than whether they say “yes sir/no sir” when a TV camera is recording their interactions with their coach?

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by thetakeover on Oct 2, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hate to break it to you, but WWF has always been in “your mma” and it probably always will be.

by Phildo on Oct 2, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And it hasn’t been WWF for over seven years. I know “fuck that gay fake shit” but it bothers me when people criticize something/make disparing remarks, and don’t even get names right. That and WWF/E/pro-wrestling has influenced professional combat sports since at least the 1800s when they did boxer vs wrestler matches. And let us not forget one of the greatest boxers of all time admits he copied Gorgeous George to promote his fights.

I don’t get the “judging fighters by ther skill” remark either, but I can’t quite articulate what I want to say at the moment other than personality goes hand in hand with skill. You can be the most skilled fighter out there but if you talk trash about everyone and everything, it influences how people perceive you. A knockout will get a few replays on a sports network. A “fuck you and your momma” will get play everywhere.

by black dragon on Oct 2, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo

I’ve always liked Kimbo, because I never overlooked that the man himself was humble, and willing to work. Does he have the work ethic to improve and actually matter? I don’t know. But in a sport where many of the participants lack any real flare or personality…I’ll take Kimbo Slice, and cheer him on any day. His drawing power is great…if he can at least be able to beat B level competition half of the time…he’ll have a home with the UFC, for a very long time.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Oct 1, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The fact that you know Shawn Micheals real name is disturbing.

by mmalogic on Oct 1, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Research does that, wish it was a more common occurence on MMA blogs.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Oct 1, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On that note…I thought he was the Heart Break Kid?

by MikeD32 on Oct 1, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right, he was, I know sometimes they change their names for sake of contractual crap, but the biggest name he had was “The Heart Break Kid”. I was thinking it was something else, but couldn’t put my finger on it.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Oct 1, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good catch. Been too long since I’ve watch pro wrasslin’.

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by Mike Fagan on Oct 1, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

watched*

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by Mike Fagan on Oct 1, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really have been shocked by Kimbo’s demeanor since joining TUF. I just wish he was younger, I think if he was 5-10 years under what he is now he could have really gotten time to improve.

by Zack Gobie on Oct 1, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great article Mike, one of your best

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait till Kimbo Slice Jr comes up. He is a wrestler, so he will have a good base to qork with and fans will wanna see him i believe

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we get a number on how many people have joined us here since TUF 10 aired

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

roughly 500

July and August actually brought in many more n00bs.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great piece, Mike.

Kimbo is not, nor ever has been, a worlbeater, but EXC hyped him as such. I see no difference between him and Brock, as far as their popularity and initial skepticism from fans, is concerned. They were both popular (by different means) and rather one-dimensional when we first heard of them entering MMA.

What Brock had was a huge advantage at being trained in something that can be applied in a fight, Kimbo’s not a boxer, he just hits hard. I hope, for Kimbo’s sake, he can hone his natural talents and learn new ones. He’s 35, which is by no means a dinosaur in today’s fight game, but it is old to be starting from ground zero.

I honestly hope he does well.

Don't argue for the sake of arguing....

by Screwface on Oct 1, 2009 9:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

A fighter with Kimbo’s skills would probably have never gotten into TUF – much less gotten a contract to UFC. Kimbo may well end up getting a UFC contract of some sort based on his name and popularity alone. He’d be dumb to turn an offer down, in any case.

The sad truth is, though, that he’s several years late to become anything more than a borderline gatekeeper. Given carefully picked opponents, he may well get a few W’s on Fight Night cards and maybe the occasional PPV undercard fight, but that’s it.

Having said that, I have to take my hat off to him. He didn’t come to TUF full of his own greatness but instead showed up to learn everything he could – and, apparently, is eager to continue learning, given the fact that he’s training at ATT now. Whether he ends up making any kind of impact after TUF remains to be seen, but none of us can blame him for not trying his level best.

by lhasafi on Oct 1, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree. Knowing what we know about him now (ruse or not) I genuinely hope the guy can succeed (not championship level) within the UFC.

Don't argue for the sake of arguing....

by Screwface on Oct 2, 2009 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo is to the UFC what Bob Sapp was to K1.

by DirtyML on Oct 1, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea, this article was great. I really really love 80s/90s pro wrestling references in MMA discussion.

"He hit like a bitch."

by SMC on Oct 2, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, from everything I read and heard, I was always thought Kimbo came across as a pretty nice guy and a hard worker. But none of that changes the fact he just isn’t really good enough to be in the majors.

by nottheface on Oct 2, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Watching them return to glory" ?

I’m sorry , what glory exactly ? Beating a probably semi drunk Tank Abbott and barely beating Thompson ? Kimbo isn’t a good fighter period , he’s barely average. He’s actually not a UFC level fighter as Dana White said multiple times . I think it’s lame and insulting the White is trying to promote him now , it’s insulting to the intelligence of the fans . If you say something mean it , don’t make us feel stupid for reading what you say and believing you.
It’s cool for people to take interest with Slice and root for him but after the anti Kimbo campaign by Dana White I really lost interest. So the guy has nice pecs and he looks like Mr. T , good for him , he can probably succeed in movies if he really wanted to . But he’s old and he can’t fight , period. I don’t care if he’s nice (how nice can a street fighter be anyway) , this is mma , a sport . The UFC needs to be the stage for the best fighters , and Japan can take the role of “intriguing” freak matches …right now Kimbo is just a freak.

by JoelMan on Oct 2, 2009 3:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sick of This

Sloppy boxing with tons of power does not = Freakshow.

Dana hasn’t said, “Oh man, Kimbo is a real mixed martial artist, watch him!” He’s stayed constant…always saying Kimbo is there to prove himself. Now, if they start putting Kimbo on co-main events of UFC PPV’s, let’s grab our torches and commence the witch hunt…but seriously…

Kimbo vs. Roy Nelson WAS the biggest fight in TUF history. That could headline a Strikeforce card and do well. No other TUF fight has drawn that much interest. That fact alone smashes the whole “freak show” line.

Last but not least, if Kimbo “can’t fight, period.” then I don’t think he would have defended Roy’s takedowns as well as he did, or land a punch even.

/end rant

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Oct 2, 2009 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sick of this too man . If Kimbo was fighting anywhere else now you wouldn’t hear the end of it by Dana White , I mean come on he was freaking knocked out by Seth Petruzzeli in 14 seconds with what appeared to be a jab, what would Dana White say about that ? And I didn’t get your point , I know Kimbo was and is a huge draw , he’s been in 3 out of 4 of the most watched mma fights ever but that doesn’t make him not a freak show , because he is . What’s the difference between Slice and that baseball player that went to fight in Japan ? Same thing for me , both got a huge reaction from people for things that are mostly not even related to mma .
You can already see how Kimbo is getting special treatment , he’s guaranteed a UFC fight although he lost (probably some “freak injury” is gonna happen to one of the other fighters,probably paid to go home) , and he’s gonna get a hand picked opponent – probably someone that doesnt have any wrestling like Houston Alexander. The thing is – I’m pretty sure Alexander would kick his ass too…

by JoelMan on Oct 2, 2009 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course dana would say something different if it happened somewhere else.

Some people seem to have a hard time grasping this concept, so let me spell it out for you. Dana White is the PROMOTER of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. His job is to hype the shit out of people that are fighting for the UFC, and shit on whoever is not in the UFC. People need to stop being so shocked an appalled when he changes his attitude on fighters when they sign on with him (or when they leave him).

The difference between Kimbo Slice on TUF and Jose Canseco in Japan is that he was on TUF. A show for people trying to get into the UFC, not some freak show tournament where people are fighting guys that weigh 100 ponds more than them. The difference between Kimbo on TUF and Kimbo in elite xc is that one of them is on a show for people trying to get into the UFC and one of them is the “greatest heavyweight striker in mma” and losing to Seth is “the greatest upset in the history of mma.”

Kimbo is a draw, right now the UFC is using him in the perfect way.

by Phildo on Oct 2, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well said.

Even as a promoter, Dana is usually pretty damn honest (and correct) about his opinion…but he usually says it in a cringe worthy manor.

by Razreshat on Oct 2, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh Dana White is the PROMOTER , thanks for clearing that up , it’s so hard for slow people like me to understand that . Good that someone (apparently much smarter) like you was there to clear it up.
My point is , and this is beginning to be really stupid to argue about , that even though Dana is a promoter some (apparently not all) people still expect him to follow a certain set of rules , for example not to lie every two sentences or contradict himself.
And you know what Dana White isn’t the only promoter or the only head(or share holder) of a big company . I can’t remember the last time someone completely trashed an athlete (be it in soccer,basketball , football or boxing) and then just signed him and started to promote him.
Did Microsoft ever trash Yahoo and then tried to buy them ?
A lot of Dana’s criticism was towards Kimbo himself , as a fighter , and not towards the way Elite tried to hype him . Dana said Kimbo is no good and can’t find in the UFC , that he would be beaten by BJ Penn (which is probably true). Anyway there’s no denying White simply lied , you say no big deal , I say yes big deal . End of argument ?

by JoelMan on Oct 2, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparisons to other things really aren’t apt, because they aren’t fight promoters.

If you find a fight promoter that hasn’t lied, you’ve found a shitty fight promoter. You’re wrong in thinking it’s a big deal because it’s a requirement of the job.

For a simple sports example of people bashing people then turning around to work with them when the opportunity arises, look at the Lakers/Phil Jackson/Kobe Bryant rocky relationship that has gone on over the years. Or anyone that has switched sides between heated rivals like the Red Sox and the yankees.

It really isn’t a bid deal, I’m saying this for your own good, you are getting way too worked up about something that is always going to happen. I’m afraid for what’s going to happen to you when Fedor signs with the UFC and him and the Fink say that Dana is treating him and all of their fighters the way that they deserve and Dana says that Fedor is the most relevant fighter in the history of MMA, I thnk your brain might explode.

If you can’t handle fight promoter lying, you need to stop listening to them speak.

by Phildo on Oct 2, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK man well put with that I can’t argue , I definitely need to stop paying attention to what these people say .

by JoelMan on Oct 2, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You also need...

…to stop trying to convince everyone here that your opinion matters when in reality, EVERYONE’S opinion matters. That’s why this is a blog.

You think Kimbo is a Joke? fine.

I don’t. And that’s fine, too.

At the end of the day, it’s all good. :)

by BNTHIS on Oct 2, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

faulty logic
Kimbo vs. Roy Nelson WAS the biggest fight in TUF history. That could headline a Strikeforce card and do well. No other TUF fight has drawn that much interest. That fact alone smashes the whole "freak show" line.

Actually, no. Some of the biggest cards in Japan featured freakshows—Super Hulk Tournament anyone? People are INTERESTED in freak shows. Freak shows bring in fans that ordinarily don’t watch. In contrast, a great grapping match between two jiu-jitsu legends does a horrible buy-rate but it a high level display of skill for true MMA fans.

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by thetakeover on Oct 2, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is everyone forgetting that Roy Nelson is a highly skilled BJJ blackbelt who also had 35lbs on Kimbo!?

I think kimbo did really well to not get submitted or seriously busted up! I think that shows that he has some ability on the ground. If anything he showed that he had decent hands to rock Nelson on two occasions. Same thing would have happened on the ground if this had been Cheick Kongo or Pat Berry and they’re in the UFC. One thing I don’t agree with is if Kimbo is ever headlining events or even co-headlining before he establishes himself, if he ever does.

I think as long as that doesn’t happen then the UFC won’t lose the respect of fans like myself. But look at Wanderlei SIlva, he could lose his next three fights and still be in the UFC, same thing with Clay Guida – they put on exciting fights. If Kimbo does that then by all means keep him.

by Ilias on Oct 2, 2009 7:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well

Well, if Kimbo still lacks the experience and the skills then the Athletic Commission is not going to let him fight. Especially if he keeps getting beat and pounded. Which will happen unless he learns to maneuver on the ground.

http://www.fightstoptalk.com/

by Karmakaze on Oct 2, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He showed SOME ability when he ALMOST used the cage to reverse Roy’s guard into his own.

He has a lot to learn but he’s well on his way.

by BNTHIS on Oct 2, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Yeah, I agree with you. I’d rather see him as a household name than Brock.

http://www.fightstoptalk.com/

by Karmakaze on Oct 3, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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