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Tito Ortiz Berates A Homeless Man

Despite some of the things that I've written in my time here at BloodyElbow, I don't consider myself to be some sort of behavior police for fighters but when Tito Ortiz pulled this whole trip on a homeless guy, what in the hell was he thinking?

I'm honestly ashamed of Ortiz being in public, obviously on camera and berating a homeless man for being lazy.  What does he know about the situation that put this man on the streets?  It's really nice that Tito was able to get himself up out of "the streets" that he came from through hard work.  But for every success story where a man was able to survive these conditions and become a superstar in a sport there are tens of thousands of stories of men dying in those same streets.

Look, maybe Tito was right and the guy is just some lazy bum who would rather look for handouts than put in an honest days work.  Or maybe he is wrong and this is a guy who got into a situation he can't find a way out of.  Either way, this was just a dumb time for Tito to choose to deliver a pointless lecture.  These are the moments that can stick in peoples minds to cement our sport as one for cruel meatheads when Tito could have simply left it as "I'm sorry brother, but no."

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If Tito gives the guys a handout, and people see it on TV, what will other homeless people do? It would be a nightmare for Tito on the streets because everyone would ask for money and they can reference this guy saying “hey you gave that one guy money…”. Tito set an example and I hope people follow it. Begging won’t get you anywhere.

by Dayvet on Oct 1, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is a choice between...

laying into a guy as lazy and handing him money. It’s called saying “no”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 1, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or better yet

“Sorry man, I only carry plastic.”

Works for me every time (though if I’m feeling benevolent that day I’ll give a bum a cigarette or something).

I get the feeling Tito was showboating for the cameras and trying to sound inspirational or something, but he just came across as a condescending jackass. Like Dr. Phil, but with a poorer command of English.

“Let me tell you how you feel…buddy!”

I finish beers at 1:55.

by ihateemo on Oct 1, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it's true for me

I only get cash to pay my kids their allowance. Not having cash saves me money:

  • Can’t give to the homeless
  • Can’t buy my kids shit from vending machines
  • Can’t get fat(ter) off of the vending machines at work

WIN WIN WIN

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I carry cash to tip at resturants. Giving a cash tip is like allowing the server to make 30% more and giving them a reason to evade tax law.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tax evasion-accomplice

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or

“I get punched in the face to make money, so why should I give it to you?”

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by IHateMMA on Oct 1, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, that could be fair:

“Look, I got punched in the face by this crazy Brazilian for this money, so if I’m gonna give some to you, I have to punch you in the face. Deal?”

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

I commend Tito all the time for his relations with the fans and public—-he is on the whole outstanding, even exemplary in this arena. I also sympathize with Tito in that he has a camera on him more than the vast majority of others.

That said, I agree with Brent. If you must, a simple no is sufficient.

by Rob Maysey on Oct 1, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have done the same thing. If you actually came from the streets as I/Tito did, you would understand the lecture. Growing up on the street you know people who beg for a living. Tito probably knew such people, and that’s why he has such a disdain for beggars.

Not to mention the number of times you see the guy you give money to head right over to the liquor store. Hence the lecture. I have given so many of the same lectures its not even funny. Again street people will understand and many other people won’t.

by traydawg on Oct 2, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Homeless people are hanging out watching YouTube on their iPhones looking for people to ask for money?

You live in the COOLEST fantasy world.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a well dressed lady that begs at an intersection I go through a lot while she listens to her ipod. I laugh at her. My girlfeind got pissed off once and went on a rant, not to the lady, but to me in the car. I told her “maybe its her first day homeless.” It’s a joke that makes me laugh even if it’s stolen.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true

It’s not like the pawn value of an iPod gets you a house. :-)

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but before I give you money to help you live and eat, you better be hocking the ipod and other luxury shit that I don’t have. You don’t need a coach purse before you need a place to live.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Living without an iPhone isn't living.

How are you gonna check your stocks from the limo? Amirite?

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, you could buy a house two years ago with less then an ipod is worth.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well for a down-payment.

But you’d still need a pay stub showing that you made at least $4 last year.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good old days

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 1, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's like James May's lego house!

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you implying?

That every homeless person has valuable crap and chooses not to sell it? You saw one (maybe) homeless lady with an ipod. I’m pretty sure the majority of homeless don’t have valuable stuff that they keep.

by ontite on Oct 1, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was calling you gay.

Srsly.

(Or he was making a joke. As am I.)

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a person’s reaction when a “bum” approaches them, really defines their character. I never understood people that were willing to put forth energy on judging someone and wondering if they “really” need it.

Then again, I wouldn’t expect a person who gleefully dates a woman who has sex for money to specialize in compassion.

by bleve_ on Oct 1, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want to be the adverb police, but “gleefully dates”? Wha? :-)

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ...

Cause saying “No” takes so much out of your busy schedule.

I pray that you are NEVER forced into a terrible situation where you hit rock bottom. I won’t dignify this with any further discussion.

by DJDace on Oct 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I assume you're responding to the guy above and not my article?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 1, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely the one above and no your article.

Tearing into a down on his luck stranger like that smacks of discrimination, ignorance and a shitty attitude.

And to all those saying “cast an eye inward” first, I don’t care of you believe me or not, but I NEVER ignore homeless people who approach me and I always give what I can afford. I have been broke, jobless, homeless and on welfare before. You have no idea what its like until you have walked a mile in these peoples shoes or know what brought them to that point in life.

by DJDace on Oct 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have no idea what its like until you have walked a mile in these peoples shoes or know what brought them to that point in life.

This is exactly what’s wrong with the world today. So many people lack empathy.

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by pud333 on Oct 1, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats true for some circumstances, but there are just as many where if you walked a mile in their shoes you would wish tito had beat the crap out of him. Lots of homeless rob, steal, abuse each other… read stories about what goes on down on skid row in LA. Addicted to drugs, its survival of the fittest, where rape and assault run rapid.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 1, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of homeless people rob, steal, abuse each other

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if they're famous directors, we let them get away with it.

Evidently. Grrr.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's cool

Other Hollywood stars support him!

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I call that petition the “do not let babysit” list.

Woody Allen is on the list TWICE.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sorta like when Roman took up with that 16-year-old girl.

Cause, you know – that’s okay in France. D:

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Samantha Gailey was 13 years old and he raped her in Jack Nicholson house. I hope they bait Polanski back to the US and arrest his ass!

by flickgrifter on Oct 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, did you see the Ninth Gate?

There should be the death penalty for movies that bad.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO! You know a movies bad when Johnny Depp can’t even save it

by flickgrifter on Oct 1, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this was not exactly where I saw this string going when I posted my comment. haha

by ryanwk628 on Oct 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The internet is a strange place.

When I’m around, anyway.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true ture, but Id say youre more vulnerable as a victim and have less risk as a perpetrator if youre on the street. Watch some documentaries about Skid Row or the homeless who flock to the pacific northwest because of the clean needles they give out and supportive culture. Its pretty awful.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 1, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t that one of tito’s major talking points though… the fact that he’s from the streets too so he knows what it’s like but still made something of himself.

by nastyem on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got nothing against Tito here, the guy was berating him for spare change. How this guy came to be in this situation has nothing to do with why Tito wont give him money and why dont you think Tito was trying to inspire the guy. Im serious, why not.

by bucco69 on Oct 1, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They guy asked him for change. He didn’t “berate” him.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Tito any worse than those of us who walk down the street and act like we don’t know the beggars are there? Or those of us who have money in our pockets but say, “I don’t have any cash on me”?

I’m not saying he’s above reproach, but let us first cast the eye inward.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yes it's worse

when you go out of your way to talk down to someone like that when a simple no is easy enough.

by kamachi on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But if you ask Tito if it’s gonna rain, don’t you think he’s gonna tell you about cumulonimbus clouds and whats going on with the barometer? No, because he’s stupid, but if he had a chemistry degree he would because he doesn’t understand “Yes/No” situations.

With that said, I’m not defending his actions. I’m just saying that everyone commenting here should consider those times a homeless person has approched them and you think to yourself Oh God, Oh God… I hope he doesn’t talk to me. If you go down the street handing out $10 bills, good for you, you’re a better man than I.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I try to give a little change sometimes, others I say “sorry man” and walk on. It’s a lot different than going “hey man, you’re being lazy” or whatever

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 1, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, but that's not Tito.

I’m not excusing him at all. And I try to give some change sometimes, too, but if I know all I got in my pocket is a twenty, I weight out benevolence/utility and often side with the latter.

This is coming from a poor college kid though, so maybe you and Tito are carrying around Benjamins, haha.

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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*weigh

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you say sorry?

by Michaelthebox on Oct 1, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he is sorry he doesn’t have any money or maybe he is trying to say something that won’t get him stabbed. Maybe he should punch them in the dick and run?

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why should he be “sorry” he doesn’t have any money? And if he’s saying something that won’t get him stabbed, isn’t that subtly acknowledging that homeless people are threatening, and if thats the case, why berate Tito for aggressively attacking a threat?

I think Tito was being a douche, but the very fact that anybody feels the need to apologize to homeless people says something about why a guy like Tito goes off.

by Michaelthebox on Oct 1, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't follow this at all

Sorry doesn’t necessarily pertain to the fact you don’t have money. Why do you say ‘sorry’ at a funeral? Did you kill the person in the coffin?

Arguing the use of some of the words we employ in different social situations is the stuff of stand up comics, not serious discussions. They are what they are, and we use them accordingly.

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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 2, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Not the dick! Not the dick!"

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re talking vicariously out of your own experiences. Even if most people who say “no” while they have spare change are assholes, at least they simply said no. This guy doesn’t just have spare change in his pocket, but a fat wallet with hundreds, and he was so arrogant that he lectured him too. Tito is not just a bad person, but he’s worse then most people.

by ontite on Oct 1, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t actually watch the video, but based on the title of this post, it sounds to me like Tito verbally engaged the vagrant and didn’t have anything nice to say to the man. So, if you’re asking if that guy is worse than someone who simply abstains from giving a homeless man money, then yes, he is worse.

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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should. It affects your opinion more than the write-up.

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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incorrect

All I need to know is that Ortiz said something other than “Sorry, no” or something along those lines. Anything more than that is uncalled for in mu opinion.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s not such an open-and-shut case. I’ve had this discussion before, and there is a lot of moral ambiguity in these scenarios. Is one responsible for blind charity to a fellow man, or should that which is earned be kept and encourage others to follow suit?

I love the stuff Brent writes, but to title it “Tito Ortize Berates a Homeless Man” is a tad sensationlist, IMO. Perhaps to Brent, it is a berating, but I just don’t see it that way. You really need to see what Tito says.

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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

“heard of a job?” is not exactly something that i consider to require a lot of thought on

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 1, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well, yeah Tito’s an asshole, but that doesn’t alleviate the moral ambiguity evident everytime someone decides not to toss change in the cup.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are confused

Nobody is saying you have to give homeless people money. I’ll admit it right now: I rarely give out money.

What everyone agrees on (or should agree on) is that if you don’t want to give money, just say something like “sorry, man” – saying “ever hear of a job” is being a jerk. That’s Brent’s point.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not confused.

I guess my point is this doesn’t really lower Tito in my eyes (perhaps because he’s already at bed rock).

In fact, I would have been surprised if Tito had said “Sorry, man.” And, if he’d pulled out a C-note I would have thought the world was ending.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus this is TMZ trash, does anyone care

by bucco69 on Oct 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It has nothing to do with TMZ...

It could be the same exact video posted on CNN.com and it’s the same video, same dialogue, same situation

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 1, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s some high level montage right there…

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

 I dont like it one bit. If Titos so smart he should be smart enough to know that people have bad things happen to them all the time. Really nice people with big hearts people that care. Sometimes things just sprial out of your control things dont go your way and life takes a turn for the worse. Dont assume things especially just because this guy is on the street. Im glad you guys wrote about this, because this is the type of stuff that really piss me off about people with money or power or fame.

by nsiegel on Oct 1, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What bothers me the most...

is that Tito doesn’t think for a second to move his wife out from between him and some stranger that he is talking shit to.

Doesn’t he fight for a living?

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jenna preferred to stay there, she likes being between two guys.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

no interracial for her though

of course in porn terms, that only means black and white.

by Grappo on Oct 1, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

real douchebag move by tito

could have saved some face by just saying no thanks but he had to be an asshole in front of his wife and say “heard of a job?”

by kamachi on Oct 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why would we assume that the man is homeless? Every dollar we give to him we can not give to world wildlife fund or a battered woman’s shelter. That man is about as undeserving of charity dollars as it gets. That’s not to say he shouldn’t be hired or trained to do something productive.

by naturalist on Oct 1, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

one time a homeless guy had a sign up that said “not gonna lie, need money for alcohol” and I parked my car, went up to him, and said his sign was funny and asked about his situation, he was actually funny and said he just wanted to drink and I said I won’t give him money but if he tells me what he drinks I’ll drop it off for him on my way back, and 30 minutes later on my way back through there I had stopped at the liquor store and got him what he wanted…

THAT is how you handle those situations, a homeless man wants to drink, you get him something to drink, this is America…

also my and 3 of my friends had Seahawks season tickets, and this same guy was always off the freeway exit in a Seahawks shirt, and every home game we gave him our leftover food (always got fast food and ate in car on the hour drive) and we gave him some weed….and you could tell it made his day everytime, he got so excited and would be yelling go seahawks, which if you a hawks fan, thats enough for me, you get a bowl and some food…

by Reaser16 on Oct 1, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

where are you hanging out at now? (i’m in puget sound area too) You want to see someone’s face light up big time? I really need some chronic.

by naturalist on Oct 1, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you gong to the game this wknd? if you can help me get some tickets i’ll pay your asking price.

by naturalist on Oct 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah, this was like 6 years ago…Always was, except for those 3 seasons we had tix, more of a watch every play of every NFL game, fan of entire NFL and Seahawks are my team but I like to see every game, multiple TV’s in one room, multiple computers, DirecTV, Sunday Ticket, Superfan, etc…games at quest are fun as hell though but I only goto night games now so I don’t miss other games, and of course we don’t have any Thurs, Sat, Sun or Mon night games this year so unless we get flexed into a game, or playoffs, or me randomly deciding to go I won’t be at Quest this year (besides the pre-season games)…

and I’m in some unnamed town closer to southern WA now, lived mostly in Olympia my entire live until two years ago though…

by Reaser16 on Oct 1, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotcha. i’m in The Coma, i mean, Tacoma area now. just thought it would be nice to burn one down and watch some MMA witchya.

by naturalist on Oct 1, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Brent...

Let me rephrase. This guy is no victim of our current economic meltdown. He has been pimpin’ Sunset Blvd for the past decade.

by steveoc24 on Oct 1, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was unaware of that honestly...

but still. Beyond the “decent human being” aspect of things there is a “you’re clearly on camera, act like it” thing that I think is expected from celebrities.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 1, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure if it’s true or not but a few people in the comments section on TMZ were saying, the homeless guy was harrassing people well before he asked Tito for Money. Apparently he had harrased a lady who had given him some change and yelled at her for just giving him a few cents.

by asmiley420 on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When I was in college there were tons of bums on our little college street. They would beg for money all the time. We were warned by the police not to give them money because they would go buy crack cocaine and get arrested. The cops didnt process these people (no ID, no address, not worth it I guess) and they would end up back on the streets the next day.

Also, when I was in the ER for an illness, there was a homeless guy who checked himself in on a cold night for a warm place to sleep. He was complaining of chest pain and was really just looking for a warm place to sleep (he told me all of this because our beds were next to each other). He even asked if I could switch IVs with him because I had a morphine drip (I said no) The nurse by law had to tend to him though he had no insurance, good thing I didnt have to have urgent surgery (I did). He got up and left at 6am without checking out. The nurse said he and others do this all the time.

I dont have much sympathy for these people. There are non profits and half way houses for them to get back on their feet and get a job. The only thing holding them back is their addictions, but thats not our fault. No one forced you to start smoking crack.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not really true

While I’m sure there are plenty of homeless guys that are in their position because of drugs, 90% of them have some sort of mental illness beyond addiction.

by WestbergIDFC on Oct 1, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

90%? Source?

Many of these people, mentally ill or not, are addicts of one kind or another. There was a guy who died in an alley on campus because he drank a bottle of rubbing alch. Lots of mentally Ill people function fine in our society. It depends on their circumstances. Either way, they can collect from the state, get meds an apartment without doing anything. There are also programs for job placement. But for most of these people, drugs are the reason they have no money. Dealers know they are reliable customers.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s have the courtesy accept random numbers for what they are.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 1, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My source is me

I work at a hospital in Minneapolis, and volunteered at a food shelter when I was in medical school. Granted, our homeless population probably isn’t the same as somewhere like L.A., N.Y., or Vegas, but I’m sure it’s representative to some degree.

So this 90% is obviously an estimate, but I don’t think it’s that far off. Bureau of Justice Statistics has come out and said ~ 55% of prisoners suffer from mental illness, so I don’t think 75% + is much of a stretch.

by WestbergIDFC on Oct 1, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you got me curious...

I just briefly checked our hospital literature database, and came up with this paper published in April.

Am J Orthopsychiatry 2009 Apr;79(2):236-43

Their brief case series said ALL homeless people suffered from some sort of mental illness. 100%.

by WestbergIDFC on Oct 1, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but does that take into account that some of them became mentally ill only after being on the streets so long?

I’d say it’s fairly obvious that 100% of legitimate homeless are mentally ill once you pick them up off the street.

I think the % we’re looking for is how many homeless people ended up there due to mental illness.

by nastyem on Oct 1, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's your idea, that pollution causes madness?

Or fresh air? Overexposure to diesel fumes?

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe its the thunderbird or paint huffing?

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Thunderbird

is the root cause for all of society’s ills.

by WestbergIDFC on Oct 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And SOLUTIONS.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize it was a generalization

But it was pretty outlandish. Found this:

http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/homelessness/#why

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by funnytiger on Oct 1, 2009 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I realize it was a generalization

But it was pretty outlandish. Found this:

http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/homelessness/#why

“Thirty-nine percent report some form of mental health problem, and 20 to 25 percent meet criteria for serious mental illnesses.”

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by funnytiger on Oct 1, 2009 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You're generalizing.

Not every bum is a drug addict or alcoholic.

by ontite on Oct 1, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true

Many are disabled or crazy – some are both because of a war we sent them to fight.

Unless you can tell which, I try not to judge.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Knowing Tito's opinion of himself,

He probably thinks that little soliloquy changed that poor guy’s life.

by WestbergIDFC on Oct 1, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Way to go Tito. Real impressive, digging into a homeless man like that. I don’t know what the exact circumstances are with that homeless man and where he lives, but being from Vancouver, we have our own big homeless / affordable housing issue. It’s something that has become a big issue in the past few years, especially with the Olympics coming and the local government trying to “clean up” the streets any way they can, like giving out jay walking tickets to the homeless. It’s all in an attempt at pushing along the almost inevitable gentrification of the downtown east side of Vancouver.

The reality in Vancouver is that much of the homeless problem is due to mental illness. My gf works as a psych nurse and local facilities are being closed down due to funding cuts, which means there is more pressure on existing facilities, which means only the most unstable patients are kept while others are released early, before they are completely well. Once they get into the real world, they find they cannot cope and end up on the streets, which only causes them to spiral further and further into their madness. This is what is happening in Vancouver, and you gotta figure this is what’s happening in other cities as well. When you see a homeless person, there’s probably more to his/her story than you think. Tito should have just said no. How hard is that?

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by pud333 on Oct 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am not a fan of Tito, but I don’t see anything wrong there.

Tito seemed polite and initiialy said no. The guy kept asking and Tito continued to respond.

by Lynchman on Oct 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you call that polite, then what is rude, shooting someone?

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free ammo is never rude.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I pretty much hate tito ortiz but i don’t see much wrong with what he said.

by nastyem on Oct 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn’t disagree more with this article. Tito was right on and this guy needs to go get himself a job and be a productive member of society. Tito said no and the guy kept pestering him leading to the lecture. The guy looks in good health isn’t old and there is no reason he can’t have at least a minimum wage job. The only reason he is outside fancy clubs with rich people begging for money is because he makes more doing that than he could with a real job. If more people were like Tito and would stop enabling people like this he would be forced to get a job, be productive, and pay his fair share of taxes.

by Sliup on Oct 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just to be difficult

Let me point out that even the homeless should know that Tito’s a dick, so this guy had it coming.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know when your porn star girlfriend

gets embarrassed by your behavior, you might need to consider a slight personality adjustment.

by JayKim41 on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

She was never embarrassed, she looks as annoyed as tito and just want it to stop.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 1, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have different strategies for handling things.

Tito beats people “up,” while she…. makes peace.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I respect Tito more

I live in a area where there is lots of homelessness. I work for my money and have never begged for a handout. The people that beg for the money should be ashamed…not Tito. I would have said the same thing only worse.

by Hellrazer on Oct 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bro-ski,

I was trying to spit game at this slut, and this bum totally harshed my vibe. I let him have it though. Told him he was worthless and should work harder. Then I kicked him in the face because I am a man!

High-Five!

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, that’s lame – he didn’t degrade or humiliate that guy at all!

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dispite the constant smirk from the homeless dude, Tyrese handled that very well. Props to the man. Tito is Tito…did he handle it well? No. Should we go on a witch hunt because Tito went off on the dude? No.

For all we know, Tito could have been having a shitty day and just went off the deep end. I know I’ve had moments where I go overboard on someone for something simple…it happens. Now let’s keep speculating on the Kimbo comeback, and start hyping UFC 104. =)

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by kyfm621 on Oct 1, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good point

“Tito’s a dick!” Breaking news? Not so much.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When I lived in California I used to drive through Salinas a couple times a week and there was a guy sitting in this little park area in the middle of he road downtown with a sign that said, “Homeless Vet, Want a sandwich and a beer.” So every few days, one of the guys in my unit would get the guy a sandwich and a beer. He was always appreciative, and evidently this was as much of life as he could handle. It was cool.

On the other hand, I had a kid run up to me when I lived in Baltimore and tell me an elaborate story about how the cops had run over some little girl (a surprisingly common occurrence in B-more) and how he was collecting money for her funeral. And all I could tell him was, “This is the third time you’ve told me this story in a month. How many times are they gonna bury this little girl?”

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And guess which city my ipod toting begger lives in?

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salinas? ;-)

When are we gonna get together for a fight anyway? That Gifofjab girl seems cool too.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a large plasma TV that I can sit in front of and eat your food and drink your spirts while pitching in zero hundred dollars for the privilege? Cause that the deal I have now, beat it and you win me.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

But you can adopt me. REAL TALK.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, so what I just said is a myth, but Brett Jones has always been good to me. Maybe we can get together at some point. Where are you located? I am too lazy to pull up the BE map.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glen Burnie, but moving to Baltimore soon.

Gotta see how much of an asshole I’ve been to Brett Jones. :-)

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am in catonsville very close to ellicot city and Brett is in Owings Mills. Maybe we can work something out. I am sure you have been an asshole to him, but he is kind of an asshole so its ok.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, a quick scan shows that I’ve actually been nice to him – WHA?! How crazy is that shit?

But yeah – we should get together and form a rivalry against the DC people.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you going to UWC show or ShoGun Fight at first mariner this month?

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't make the UWC show...

…because, of all the lame excuses: I have a dinner party scheduled with some of my wife’s colleagues. That’s right: I can’t watch fights because I’ll be eating with 3 professors, an M.D. Ph.D., and a post-doc. Those were my choices: dinner with the brain trust and Beebe vs. Easton. What kind of life is that?

But the Shogun fights look cool – anybody else going?

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the cool people live in central Virginia.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you’ll find that not only are you wrong, but you’re also smelly.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm cool!

:)

I’m up for whatever! I wanted to check put the Shogun Fights event but why the hell did they schedule it the same nite as UFC 104???

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by funnytiger on Oct 1, 2009 7:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Because Shogun fights that night?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shogun Fights is a MD based MMA promotion

Or were you being funny and I missed it? :(

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by funnytiger on Oct 1, 2009 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He usually is, and you usually do. :-)

Though that would be an awesome reason, no?

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because they are dumb. Binky Jones headlines and I skip it.

by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the UK 1 in 10 homeless people are ex-armed forces.

In the US it’s even worse, 1 in 4 homeless people are ex-armed forces.

So chances are very good that any homeless person you see fought for your country. I thought Tito was supposed to be very pro army, yet he’ll pre-judge anyone who is homeless and look down upon them, even with the very real possibility that they are someone who he in fact is supposed to be very supportive of…

by Donk696 on Oct 1, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to the signs they have EVERY homeless person in Kansas City is an ex-armed forces member.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, "God bless."

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tito is a schmuck

He should never talk on camera anyways. Surprised he didn’t say to the bum “let me tell ya how your feelin right now”

by drudog1715 on Oct 1, 2009 4:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

The unfortunate reality is that Tito is a self-promoting douche-tard and was likely just playing it up for the cameras, regardless of whether or not he meant the things he said. I’d bet my next paycheck that if there had not been any media around that he’d have avoided any sort of confrontation entirely. Either way, it was a weak move and one he deserves to be criticized for.

by Velcro on Oct 1, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Donk696...Tito didn't look down on anyone

The guy’s homeless and begging for money. End of story.

by Hellrazer on Oct 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know how many times i’ve freaked on homeless people…90% are looking for there next fix. And the other 10% are just lazy

by Hellrazer on Oct 1, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are a teenager, if you aren’t than you got some issues…

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by orcus on Oct 1, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed, because where I'm from...

…“Freaking on” somebody means making the sexy time. And that’s just a bad idea with homeless people.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He never gona get no George clooney or Colin farrell love

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070913/farrell_toronto_070913/20070913?s_name=tiff2007

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by RealIrish on Oct 1, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Chaaaaaange?"

I wouldn’t exactly call the guy “lazy” because I’ll bet begging for a living is HARD work. I sit on my ass all day at a desk and pull in money doing that. Who’s the lazy one?

Still, I don’t think what Tito did was wrong. The guy asked Jenna, kept standing there after being turned down, and then asked Tito. “Leave these creatures alone!” (Many rec’s to anyone who knows where that quote is from)

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Oct 1, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I wanted to comment on this but I have such disdain for people with bleeding hearts for homelessness I can’t even talk about it.

by YelirNoj on Oct 1, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just can’t understand any criticism here. Tito used himself as an example, right in the guy’s face. It’s not as if he just called him a bum, he elaborated on what he was saying. If the guy wasn’t lazy, he wouldn’t be next to Tito begging for handouts. He’d be resting somewhere, preparing for the next day’s search for a better tomorrow in my humble opinion. As a former homeless guy myself, I like what Tito did there. Sugar coating doesn’t get anywhere with hardheaded people. SOmetimes, in your face, no BS advice doesn’t either. Can’t win em all.

Seems a bit nitpicky.

by bonez2799 on Oct 1, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So your idea of lazy is going around begging people for money, while the alternative is resting somewhere and elaborating? Think you got things a little mixed up there buddy? Well we don’t know for sure man, maybe the ‘bum’ who asked him for money worked for a company whose stock crashed and screwed him over. Just saying that we can’t judge.

by ontite on Oct 1, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

way to go tito more people are going against you, and how old is Jenna anyways

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by Krawchuck on Oct 1, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tito should have ground and pounded the bum.

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Oct 2, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where's Lee Murray when you need him?

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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 2, 2009 7:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s people like this that I pray will someday be forced to be homeless.

Luckily for them, I pray to Toucan Sam.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 5, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That guys seemed pretty articulate and determined for a mentally ill bum. He also had a freshly shaven head and face and managed to get in front of the reporters which makes me question the validity of the situation.

Celebs do not like paparatzi because they say and do terrible things to get you upset for a good shot. They dont say “hey tito simile” they say “hey tito, how does it feel to get smoked by the dragon” then take his picture. You always here stories about how celebs attack these guys… its because they instigate the situation that much to get a photo.

The guy in the clean white beater and sweat shirt, in front of the camera men, not picked up by club security, was likely placed there by the photographers as a set up.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 4, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hypothetical...

what would Dana say in the same situation?

by ryanwk628 on Oct 4, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna guess:

“Fuckin, fuck! Fuck fucking motherfuck fucking fuck! Fucker fucker fucker fuck? Fuck fuckity fuck UFC fucks Boxing fuck.

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by jemaleddin on Oct 5, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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