Did the UFC Forget That Dan Henderson Beat Vitor Belfort in 2006?
by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 12:43 PM EDT
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Interesting excerpt from Sherdog's piece on Dan Henderson's ongoing negotiations with the UFC:
"Yeah, I'm not real thrilled about that," said Henderson of the plans. "And I like Vitor. He's a good guy and he's been around for a long time, but I just don't understand why he gets to jump to the front of the line, especially when I beat him."
Henderson said he brought up his 2006 unanimous decision victory over Belfort at Pride 32 in Las Vegas at last week's meeting, but he was met with puzzled faces.
"I think it's something that might have slipped their minds, that (that fight) happened," said Henderson. "I'm not exactly sure. You'll have to ask them on that, but to me, that's what it seemed like."
I see both sides of this one. I understand that Vitor is fairly known to old school UFC fans and has a dynamic and popular fighting style, and most importantly hasn't ever faced Anderson Silva, to whom he presents a unique and interesting set of challenges. And Belfort just KTFO'd Matt Lindland, a very comparable fighter to Dan Henderson.
But Lindland ain't Henderson.
I also understand Henderson's point of view since he utterly dominated Belfort when they fought in PRIDE and is coming off an all-time highlight reel KTFO win at the most highly viewed UFC ppv ever. Plus he's coached a season of TUF and headlined the highest rated ever numbered UFC event on SpikeTV. Its hard to argue the UFC fans don't know Dan Henderson.
On the other hand, there's no evidence that he's a huge, or even significant, independent draw and he lost badly to Anderson Silva in their first match -- although he did steal a round from the champ.
There's also this bit which makes me question the official UFC party line that the Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson rematch that was announced and then scrapped for UFC 103 was killed because of poor response from fans. That might have been partly the case, but it also seems that the UFC didn't want to pay Henderson's asking price for that fight:
In late July, Henderson said he was asked to rematch Rich Franklin at UFC 103 on Sept. 19 in Dallas, as the promotion was in need of a last-minute main bout to go head-to-head with a Mayweather-Marquez boxing card on the same night. Henderson agreed and was presented a new multi-fight contract a few days later, which he then passed on.
"We figured out we were a lot further away than we thought (on the contract)," said Henderson.
Now I don't doubt that Dan Henderson might be asking for a bit more than his market value, but I also think there is a big factor of the UFC brass not seeing him as one of "their" guys. Henderson's accomplishments in MMA over the course of his career are certainly comparable to those of Randy Couture and Matt Hughes and far exceed Rich Franklin's and yet there seems to be no interest in extending him one of the generous "retirement packages" given to those three.
I hope that all parties concerned can come to terms soon because I really want to see Dan Henderson vs Nate Marquardt.
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Did Dan Henderson forget that Anderson Silva beat Dan Henderson in 2008?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Yep. That's what Dan is forgetting..
That weighs a lotttt more than beating Belfort years ago..
I have no reason to believe that a rematch with silva would turn out so differently. That is why people want to see vitor vs silva.. Now if he beats a very impressive looking Marquardt, then that’s another story…
Also, the huge difference between Randy, Franklin, Hughes to Dan, is that the 3 have been with the UFC before it boomed.. Dana, to a certain extent, runs things based on loyalty, and while Dan has been that recently, he doesn’t have the tenure that the first three have.. therefore, no retirement package, not just yet..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't out of any malice that he was with PRIDE rather than the UFC
Hughes lost his biggest international fight — to Pele — and missed his chance to go to PRIDE.
Franklin got KTFO’d by Machida when he went to Japan.
Dan had opportunities for the biggest paydays available and took them. Hughes and Franklin would have done the same thing.
its not like Dan is Lindland or Randy Couture who have tried to fuck with the UFC at every given opportunity. Lets not forget that Randy has walked out on the UFC belt not once, not twice, but three times.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I get that,
But I think Dana is more loyal to those guys for the simple fact that he thinks that they were a huge part of building the UFC to what it is today..
He has Also said that about guys like chuck, Forrest, Bonnar, etc. And I’m willing to bet that they get retirement packages too.. (probably smaller for bonnar of course)
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly iiowyn
Simple and to the point. I love Dan Henderson, and I’m a mediocre Belfort fan, and yet Belfort has yet to fight Silva so give him the fight and let Henderson and Marquardt battle it out for the winner.
by KKamikaze on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the first post. Way to step up, iiowyn.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Henderson has yet to face “The New Vitor”
by ryanwk628 on Oct 1, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t “The New Vitor” supposed to be like “The Old Vitor”?
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Dan fought the intermediate Vitor.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I'm saying is that Vitor...
…is evidently the Herschel Walker of MMA.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, Anderson has no chance.
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was the interim vitor?
on route to the ultimate super vitor?
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was mediocre Vitor on his way to Optimus Prime Vitor.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Oct 1, 2009 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
we srsly need to stop these belfortocons
there destroying everything
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Meet the new Vitor, same as the old Vitor....."
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which new Vitor and which old Vitor? There have been a lot of Vitors, we need some context.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say we should number them, but in all honesty, we'd have to use base-62.
So when Vitor 4Cb entered the octagon for the 3.5-th time….
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan beat Vitor. Anderson beat Dan. By his logic, neither should get a title shot.
by bubbafat on Oct 1, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
[Dan] headlined the highest rated ever UFC on SpikeTV.
Do you mean 75, where he fought Rampage? I thought Tito/Ken 3 was the highest ever?
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by themachiavellian on Oct 1, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tito/ken 3 was a fight night
not a ufc.
I’d have to look up the numbers to see which was better between the two.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tito/ken 3 was a fight night
not a ufc.
…wow.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what wow?
The UFC is the one that draws the distinction between UFCs and UFNs not me. UFNs don’t even come out on DVD. its a different thing. and when i get back to my desk i’ll check the absolute numbers.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
careful
you might be jumping on the banned wagon.
/jk
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks
i’m glad someone appreciates my work around here.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trinity, I think I've found: the one.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a distinction with out a difference germane to the discussion. The fact that one comes out on DVD and the other doesn’t means nothing to the ratings. Both are Spike broadcasts and can be measured against one another. Additionally, to be accurate, they are both “UFCs.” One is a numbered UFC event, the other is a Fight Night. Call me crazy, but there are a lot of folks who, if I saw saying that very same thing you just said, I’d know, not think, but know that they were extremely ignorant on MMA topics.
But really, the point being made was that Tito v. Ken 3 was the highest rated match in Spike history. To nitpick and point out that it’s “not a UFC” comes off as so petty.
Hence, “wow.”
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as opposed to your heroic policing of my every word
lol.
I changed my statement to “the highest rated numbered UFC event in Spike history”.
I’m trying to make Henderson’s case in that paragraph, give a blogger some license. jeez.
Call me crazy, but there are a lot of folks who, if I saw saying that very same thing you just said, I’d know, not think, but know that they were extremely ignorant on MMA topics.
wtf are you talking about here? my proclivity for making glaring factual errors is well known, but my knowledge of MMA is pretty well established.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many numbered UFC events have been on free TV? 70 (CC/GG), 75 (Rampage/Dan), 85 (Joe Daddy/Diego), 89 (Bisping/Leben)? 75 does seem like it would have done the best of those four.
And the Spike cards are also prefaced with “UFC”, so a boo-yah to you sir. Nyah nyah.
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by themachiavellian on Oct 1, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have different numbers
for a reason
what on EARTH could that be….
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well what is he complaining about? If Vitor wins against Silva (you never know,it could happen), that sets Hendo up for the next shot at the title. Could you ask for a better storyline for a fight?
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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's complaining about not getting the money he thinks he deserves
this is likely the last contract of his career so he’s looking to provide for his family.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree, its all about the cash, lets not fool ourselves. But dont you think that if Dan just waited and see if Vitor beats Silva, then he could bypass the Nate M. fight becuase he has already beaten Vitor?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vitor didn’t jump ahead of anyone. Hendo already had a shot at Silva and all paths to a title shot don’t go through Henderson. Vitor earned the shot in his own fight and Hendo earned
by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dunno if you could make the argument that vitor earned the title shot… he beat rich franklin, which henderson also did, granted vitor did it more convincingly + faster, but a w is a w. i have no doubt that vitor will get KO’d very fast vs. anderson
by kanodogg on Oct 1, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It more interesting because Vitor has no lose vs. Silva and you have to concider his body of work. The KO of Lindland was not some dream we all had.
by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sound like a moron, please forgive my english skills. I am at work and distracted by co-workers wanting me to fix stuff.
by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s no excuse. That’s my job every day and I find a way to generate beautiful prose germane to the topic of the day.
That’s right, I used the word “germane” in two different comments for this post. Word of the day toilet paper is the shit!
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t work for the government so I have to do work.
by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where by convincingly you mean "not just in the mind of 3 blind men."
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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dan does deserve one of those nice “retirement packages” that randy and hughes got. plus he is probably the most relevant of all the “older” fighters" in regards to a title shot. he’s still at the top of his game and could have a good 3-4 years left in him. i think he’ll get his contract and fight marquardt. i think the ufc at least owes him that if they are going to give vitor a shot over him.
by bdw on Oct 1, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck it Dan hold old as long as you have to unless they put it on the contract you get fight anderson silva dont sign. Ohh ya i hear Strikeforce is always looking for an opponent for Fedor lol
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by pitbull187 on Oct 1, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
out*
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by pitbull187 on Oct 1, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freudian slip? Lol
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by funnytiger on Oct 1, 2009 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
UFC always puts on the Money fight.
I love the UFC, but is anyone really surprised with this?
The UFC has always been about putting the fighter in the ring who will get the biggest payout on PPV. Simple as that. Its no conspiracy. Its just business.
We all know Henderson would be deserving of the fight, but most of us would rather see Belfort at least give him a test before we see Henderson so for seconds. Just the nature of fights.
by Jesse Taylor on Oct 1, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Out of Henderson and Marquardt…Marquardt deserves it more in my opinion.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he can say what he wants, but it's all about the money.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They don’t call him Hollywood Henderson for nothing.
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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, actually they do.....
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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I laughed heartily at this.
Also, they don’t even call him that. They did call him that, but they don’t anymore.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly “Decision” Dan Henderson is better than “Hendo” in my opinion. Hendo is right up there with Kenflo and J-Lau as bad nicknames.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo is just a truncation of his full name (shorter than “Henderson”, less boring than “Dan”), not some bizarre hijacking of a pop-star’s tabloid nickname. It’s not great, but not terrible, either.
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by themachiavellian on Oct 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo reminds me of Hondo, so it’s OK in my book
by Grappo on Oct 1, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Vitor title shot has to happen now
Throwing him in there in any more fights against top end guys is asking for him to get derailed and losing out on a very profitable title fight. Vitor won’t ever have as much momentum as he has now and has the “new Vitor” mystique that the UFC can sell.
Vitor title fight + Winner of Nate-Henderson title fight makes way more money than a second Nate title fight + second Henderson title fight.
Its all about the benjamins.
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by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And that is why the UFC is making money hand over fist in a bad economy and still the 800 pound gorilla in MMA. Dana always says it they make fights fans want to see.
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by pitbull187 on Oct 1, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was totally against Nate and Hendo fighting. I had wanted both to have their shots one after another, with Anderson. But that was before Vitor destroyed Franklin. I’ve changed my tune. Dan can say what he wants, but Vitor is riding a high right now that the UFC cannot afford to lose by having him potentially lose to someone before he fights Silva. At this point, the UFC has two money fights lined up: Silva / Vitor, + winner of Nate/Hendo taking on whoever is champ at that time (probably still Silva. I figure it’ll be Silva / Nate).
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by pud333 on Oct 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Henderson’s accomplishments in MMA over the course of his career are certainly comparable to those of Randy Couture and Matt Hughes and far exceed Rich Franklin’s and yet there seems to be no interest in extending him one of the generous “retirement packages” given to those three.
Although his MMA accomplishments may rank alongside Hughes and Couture, the key thing here is that they werent in the UFC and they never benefitted the UFC directly. So to just say that he isnt receiving the same monetary benefits ans Hughes/Couture despite the same accomplishments, is a little disingenuous.
by -Sam on Oct 1, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What about Big Nog?
I don’t know the details of his contract, but he’s always floating around the title picture and I’m sure he’s making mad coin. Isn’t Hendo the 2nd greatest MW ever? Sure, he floats up to LHW from time to time, but I’d love to hear an argument for anyone else.
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good new for Hendo is that if the UFC doesn’t pay him what he thinks is fair, Strikeforce is looking for challengers for Gegard. I think they’ll pay just to kill even the idea of Gegard-Hendo fight on a CBS card.
by nottheface on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get your hopes up.
What the UFC thinks is fair would be a good chunk of the money SF expects to be taking in from one of their CBS cards.
I think Hendo is too good for SF to be outbidding the UFC for him.
by Phildo on Oct 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty simple really
dan needs to concede that fair or not, he needs to face marquardt, and stop whining about it.
ufc needs to concede that dan deserves a big payday and they should offer him a nice contract.
wasn’t that simple?
by GregS123 on Oct 1, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last 5 fights….
Vitor 5-0
Nate 4-1
Dan 3-2 inc loss to Anderson
Maybe one of those 2 losses knocked something loose in Dan’s head.
by Din71 on Oct 1, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cmon...stop annoying 2006...
Henderson won what I thought was an iffy decision over Franklin, whereas Belfort DESTROYED Franklin. MMAth at it’s best!
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by ludakrish on Oct 1, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hendo is not under contract, why is he upset? If he was still with the UFC, I could see it a little more.
by Lynchman on Oct 1, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve asked this before under other posts, but never gotten a satisfactory answer:
How do we know Belfort/Silva is a bigger money match than Silva/Henderson II? It seems like this claim is justified by vague ideas like “Belfort is riding high,” “Belfort has a cache with old school fans,” and the notion that a new challenger is inherently more valuable than a rematch. But the UFC has put a lot into marketing Dan Henderson recently, whereas Belfort just came back to headline a minor PPV.
The UFC certainly seems to think Belfort is a better match, but that could easily be for other reasons, like that Dan isn’t technically under contract. I’ve heard references to market research other than PPV numbers, not any specifics on what that is in this case.
So basically it just seems like people have this gut instinct that Belfort makes the UFC more money, but I’m not convinced.
(I would personally prefer a Marquardt title shot and a Henderson/Belfort rematch for the next shot, though I acknowledge that that would make the least money of all the options on the table. Or the second least behind an Okami fight, which would be cool too.)
by JRN on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're on to something
and I think a ton of this has to do with the UFC and Dan being far apart on the money.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is probably the entire thing.
Part of it is that Anderson doesn’t want to fight dan right now. It’s hard for the UFC to give Dan a huge contract to fight Anderson when you have to deal with the factor that Anderson doesn’t want to fight him, and if they fight, and Anderson destroys him again, now what the hell do you do with Dan and his huge contract?
Money has to be an issue, it’s got to be difficult for them to negotiate with dan and convince Anderson to fight him at the same time.
They were probably able to get belfort for less money than dan, but the plan may backfire. If Belfort wins, now instead of dealing with Hendo that wants money and a title shot, you’re dealing with Hendo who wants money and a title shot, but has a win over the champ.
by Phildo on Oct 1, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Ariel Helwani...
Lindland aint that bad. He has him 9th in the world at MW.
Commence laughter.
by GoldenOldie on Oct 1, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we are dealing with the best p4p
i’m sorry but we are dealing with anderson silva. on the last few fights of his contract. if i am dana white and joe silva, to some extent i’m going to let anderson pick his own fights. i’m going to do whatever i can to get him happy enough to re-sign.
by kamachi on Oct 1, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It must be the $$
The money is obviously more important than fighting Silva if Henderson’s track record tells us anything about him. (Which is fine by me).
Have any of the contract #s leaked yet? If Hendo made $100,000 show salary for his last fight I can see him being worth $200,000 w/o any PPV bonus.
Also I don’t think Dan wants to fight Marquardt. Marquardt has the size, strength, and reach advantage, plus good-nuf wrestling to beat Dan.
This is likely the last “big” contract Henderson is going to be able to negotiate where he has this much leverage. With Strikeforce dying to find an opponent for Mousasi this is Dan’s time to stand firm and get paid.
by NateDouble on Oct 1, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Dan is, he’s proven that for him to beat Anderson, he’s gonna have to get him down and hump him for an entire 5 rounds. The second he lets up Anderson is going to kill him. That first round, from the time Henderson got him down, to the end of the round was terrible. The hammerfists that Dan landed wouldn’t hurt an 8 week old puppy.
by Dooda on Oct 1, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UFC can and will remember and forget whatever they wish to remember and/or forget.
by lhasafi on Oct 1, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they remember.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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