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Despite Loss, Kimbo Slice Deserves Praise for Attitude

Kimbo_slice_mediumLast night's The Ultimate Fighter season 10 episode went as expected for much of the MMA fanbase. Kimbo Slice showed a near non-existent ground game as he was unable to decipher the tactics that Roy Nelson used in order to gain mount and easily gain a crucifix position twice within the fight. As Michael Rome pointed out in an earlier post, the battle between the more experienced Roy Nelson and the "Street Certified" Kimbo Slice was far from impressive.

Nelson's crucifix position was easily obtained due to Kimbo's inexperience, but I have to agree with Dana White on the near stoppage at the end of round 1. Nelson knew that it was simply a matter of Kimbo intelligently defending himself, which was an impossibility with both hands locked down. I found it a bit disheartening to hear Nelson state that he would simply go for those unanswered shots while knowing that a lot of power wasn't needed. I understand that it's part of the rules, and perhaps Nelson was simply trying to be the "nice guy" in the entire situation by stopping Kimbo in the most non-damaging way possible. I highly doubt it though. In any case, the show favorite Nelson moves on... but his performance didn't exude confidence he'll win the show. I think Brendan Schaub could easily surprise everyone in the field.

There are still a lot of critics of Kimbo Slice despite his acceptance into the TUF house. Many fans still consider him "garbage" because he simply doesn't have the skills to compete with UFC-level competition. The fact of the matter is that it shouldn't come into play when determining whether Kimbo is motivated enough to succeed in this sport. From all indications from the opening episode to last night's show, he has passed my test with flying colors.

When he stepped out of the door as the final contestant in the 16-man field, he must have felt the animosity in the room. A number of faces within the group of 15 were angered by his presence and felt the need to target him because of his popularity among casual fans. Instead of walking out with a huge chip on his shoulder, he was humble. He stated to the fans and his own coach that he wasn't a complete fighter by any means, and he knew of his glaring weaknesses instead of trying to simply rely on his striking ability to get him through the show.

Impressively, Kimbo trained to make strides in his game. As one Ultimate Fighter contestant stated, he never said "I can't" or "I won't", but rather tried his hardest to soak up as much knowledge as he could during the training sessions. While I agree with Rome that Kimbo is a bit old to soak up a lot of knowledge in both the wrestling and jiu-jitsu departments, I will, at the very least, commend the man for not letting his previous popularity soar to his head. Many previous seasons of TUF saw men break under the pressure and men leave the show for various reasons. It also saw some fighters quit in the cage because the adversity was too great, but Kimbo went in against the best fighter on this show... and at least fought. It wasn't pretty, and it was far from impressive as some of the pre-fight quotes had suggested, but he didn't quit.

We can talk for hours about how EliteXC handled his career poorly, but Kimbo was just a pawn in EliteXC's plans to try to break into the mainstream. We can't blame the guy for accepting what was put on the table. As a hardcore MMA fan, I found it terrible to push such a green fighter as a legitimate MMA fighter so early, but I can appreciate Kimbo's humbleness and willingness to learn in order to improve. We see so many fighters who have a different attitude than Kimbo, and it's good to see that he's willing to put the work in to succeed. In December, we'll truly see if he has improved significantly. After all, American Top Team will put him through the gauntlet.

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I have a ton of respect for “Kimbo Slice,” and I am proud to call that guy a real mixed martial artist. His attitude after this loss only improved, and it wasn’t but a few hours after the loss that Kimbo was in Roy’s face asking him to TEACH him how to escape the move that “Big Country” used against him. Roy, like the leader he is, obliged. My respect meter is off the charts for both of these guys.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve gained respect for both of these guys, props to kimbo. I thought it was hilarious when Roy threw his head back to be served water instead of taking the bottle that was being handed to him.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with everything said, except...

the continuing concept of Kimbo as a pawn of the EXC scam. Pawns don’t make hundreds of thousands of dollars per fight.

Sorry, I don’t buy it. He was a willing participant in what equates to a scam in this sport because he was benefiting from it as well.

Kimbo may be proving to be a “good guy” and ready to try and improve as an MMA fighter, but please stop fostering the concept of him as some sort of victim of EXC’s promotion of him.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I never said he was a “victim”. I said he was a pawn. EliteXC used him to gain notoreity, even though it was against everything that everyone knows about MMA. It didn’t help the sport. So what if Kimbo made hundreds of thousands of dollars. That wasn’t the point. The point is that he was used. Yeah, he got paid and took the money, but so would I.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

who wouldn't take that money?

Kimbo is human, we’re all greedy. They proposed big money and he took it. would any of us not take 600k if we were in his shoes?

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah… I can’t imagine not taking it. Living paycheck to paycheck, barely making ends meet… to putting your kids through college, having a house, and actually living without the worries of money. Insane concept.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its fine that Kimbo took the money, but

that also makes him part of the scam and not a “pawn” of it. He knew what was happening and went along with it and profited from it. Regardless of whether or not it was something “we all would have done”, it doesn’t make him innocent of helping to perpetuate a scam.

I’m glad that he is on TUF and trying to make a go of being a legitimate MMA fighter, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was a partner in the scam about him that EXC perpetuated.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scam is such as strong word for what happened with EXC, I agree that they were promoting him more than they should and calling him the most dangerous man on earth, but come on, he’s part of the scam? There is no one in jail, he committed no crimes. Yes, he did something any of us would do under the circumstances, and if you agree that you would do the same, than there should be no room for criticisms. Unless of course, you wouldn’t accept the deal as he did, which would be stupid really.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Knew of what was happening? That he was paid based on his popularity and fed cans? So what? That they told Petruzelli to stand and bang. It wasn’t like he went up to Seth at the event and said “Hey man, I’m supposed to win, let me win, stand and bang.”

This is such a ridiculous debate.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I am debating, is the concept of him as a pawn.

As a beneficiary of the “situation” (since orcus is bothered by the word scam) by way of hundreds of thousands of dollars, I find fault with the very concept that he was somehow a PAWN of EXC’s management.

Its an attempt to devalue Kimbo’s individual responsibility his part in that “situation”.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did what they told him = pawn. And he was kept out of the loop on a few occasions.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does that include the renegotiation of his fight fee before the Petruzelli fight?

He supposedly made quite a bit more money as a pawn in that situation.

I’d love to be a pawn of that stature for anyone.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares if he renegotiated… if you want to argue that he wasn’t a pawn in the entire scheme of things… okay. Fair enough.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grr...

didn’t mean to hit post just yet.

Anyways, I would love to see Kimbo do well on TUF and become a (more) legit MMA fighter. He is definitely a character and I think with the right skills stands a great chance to truly enhance the sport, but only as a legit fighter and not just some promotional tool.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pawn != Contractor

He got paid to do his job and that makes him a pawn? Wow.

He demands more when a client changes the contract at the last minute at increased danger to his health and future earning ability? Is this really still bothering you?

Anyone else? I’m just curious.

Any fighters?

by asa on Oct 1, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your replying to me.

What bothers me is the concept that Kimbo somehow doesn’t deserve to shoulder some of the responsibility for how he was handled by EXC. That he wasn’t a party to that “situation” and is somehow to be sympathized for in relation to it.

He wasn’t a victim, pawn or anything else. He was well paid and took part knowing that they were selling false goods when calling him the greatest etc…and putting him in main events. Saying anyone would have taken the same deal doesn’t make it any less honest on his part, doesn’t make it any less of a scam of casual MMA fans.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying

but you have to remember, Kimbo never agreed with statements like “the Tiger Woods of MMA” and the like…I remember seeing Shaw talk nonsense about him, and Slice immediately saying that he was not saying those things, he was just there to fight.

by slapjaw ackrite on Oct 1, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with slapjaw, and ...

Throughout the whole situation Slice always said he was a newbie even though Shaw was hyping him. The promoter promotes, and the fighter fights. That’s all. Is Kimbo BBQ-Brawluh Slice really gonna tell Gary Shaw how to promote his family’s business? From what I’ve seen of Kimbo, not a chance. Shaw does his thing and Kimbo does his.

And lets not forget Dana’s done the same thing with Nover. Are you really this angry at Phillipe for being a complicit pawn in Dana scheme? Why because Kimbo’s Q-rating is off the fucking charts and he draws?

C’mon man :)

by asa on Oct 1, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a well-paid pawn. THere’s nothing wrong with being a pawn. Most people are in one way or another.

by Dooda on Oct 1, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

please to god, no more kimbo or TUF posts

i’m begging you. I know we have 3 weeks before the next UFC, but i can’t take this whole blog becoming a ‘kimbo-fest’.

by pmac06340 on Oct 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

it's because of Kimbo

that so many “new” fans are watching this season of TUF. Granted he’s not our ideal “athlete” to showcase the sport, but it’s what we got. Respect should be shown to him at least for that alone.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify

you mean he’s not the ideal athlete simply because he is currently one dimensional and doesn’t represent a “mixed” martial artist, not for some other silly reasons, right?

by rzor on Oct 1, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Maybe if he was 10 years the younger and had a more promising future in the game, he would be a perfect candidate. If you think I was talking about his “look” though I guess that would be silly, his looks is awesome for primetime.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say he would nor should…

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

as a personal aside...

how confident are you about shogun on the 24th? Return of the king, or another ‘dragon’ victim?

please, build me a case for shogun…i really want this to fight to be competitive.

by pmac06340 on Oct 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m as confident about Shogun beating Machida as Brazil winning the next World Cup (coming from me, that’s pretty confident :P).

All I have to say about Shogun is that he hasn’t shown the real Shogun since coming from Pride (with the exception of the Chuck fight). He came over fighting on one leg and had just gotten married too. All I’m saying is that we’ll see a different Shogun com the 24th, and it ain’t going to be a pretty fight for Machida. He’ll bring it and take it. I’m not going to go on specifics though, Shogun’s arsenal are too much to detail, great BJJ, great Muy Thai, Machida’s got a lot on his plate to deal with…

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are going to be sorely disappointed.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

about Shogun or Brazil winning the cup? or both?

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shogun.

Even his PRIDE era self would be defeated by Machida unless he made this a ground war. And I still doubt he can get close enough to do so.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree, his style seems tailored for lyoto… never know though

by cagefightonacid on Oct 1, 2009 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Machida/Shogun will probably go like Machida/T. Silva.

Shogun should last longer than 1 round, but his high-flying balls to the wall style will get him picked apart.

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by Ubernoober on Oct 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh man

Thiago Silva? Don’t compare the two, it’s like comparing Maia to Paul Harris.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think the assessment is correct.

Shogun will try to be aggressive and be punched out in similar fashion, although Thiago doesn’t have the ground game that Shogun has.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

thiago is a BJJ black belt

but he doesn’t fight smart, Shogun on the other hand does.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That really doesn’t matter here. We aren’t comparing fighter’s credentials.

It’s the style at which Shogun fights. If he comes out aggressive, he’s dead. If he waits, he’s going to get pointed. His best chance is shooting at a rangey Machida who maintains distance. It’s just bad news all around.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

he won't be too aggressive

and if it goes to decision he’ll get the points :P

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wishful thinking. Nobody has outpointed Machida.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

there is a first time for everything :P

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep on holding on to that, orcus.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

no worries haha

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he comes at Machida with anything in the neighborhood of the sort of of loopy shots he used with such success against Liddell, Shogun will get starched epically.

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by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looked really savvy

face down with griffin on his back

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Griffin felt so bad for him he gave him a neck hug.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's nothing more comforting than a neck hug

 that ends in a man nap

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

if you guys don’t take into account his injuries…

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am just having fun with it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know :P

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Forrest didn’t linger and spoon with him like he did against Bill Mahood.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

at the end of the day

and without the silly steroids allegations, Shoguns has bigger wins than Machida. That’s not enough to make him the favorite (after all ppl tend to look at their last bouts more than their resumés, which I think is wrong) but it’s enough for me to make him the better candidate.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even consider the wins at all in the context of the conversation. Shogun’s wins in PRIDE were purely based on ridiculous aggression, something Machida counters very easily. Shogun is going to look bad if he comes out in that manner.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about the aggression

he has always fought intelligently, but the ring was made for more “action packed” nights than the cage (corners and smaller in size). but the names he has beaten are far more impressive than the names Machida has.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t even matter, not at this point. Names of who he beat just isn’t the same as it used to be. It’s the style match-up, which suits Machida.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not always, just because Machida has beaten a fighter that has the same "style" as Shogun, doesn’t mean Shogun can’t pull out the victory. Thiago Silva on paper has the same style as Shogun, but in reality they couldn’t be any more different. To me it’s apples and oranges.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really doesn’t matter what Shogun brings to the table, IMO. If he thinks his old PRIDE-era style is the answer, he’ll be abruptly KO’d.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he has changed his style to be more proficient in the cage

trust me, he knows the cage game.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

When? If he fights Machida like he did Chuck, KO Round 1.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

yes, Shogun KO’s Machida RD 1. We’re not going to get past this from now on :P

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh….

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he kinda is....

or maybe chuck, at least from the publics point of view… not saying that’s how I want it.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 1, 2009 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cry me a river somewhere else then….

Nobody has truly commended Kimbo for his attitude. I thought I would do it. Sue me.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

They know what the people want.

The people want KIMBO!

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Oct 1, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still hope to see Kimbo winning a fight in this season if he replaces Jones, a KO would be nice. come on Kimbo, bring it!

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Kimbo, and he does have a good attitude about things, but he’s going to get eaten alive in the UFC. Even with Roy giving, IMO, a half-assed performance, he managed to beat Kimbo. A good attitude can get him somewhere, but it won’t make him successful unfortunately. Training with Bas was uselss when it came to the ground game because clearly he didn’t learn anything, and he’s too old now to really get it. I hope ATT can help improve his sprawl, because that’s the only chance he’s got. And even standing, I don’t think he, to borrow a phrase from Rampage, could bust a grape. He doesn’t hit hard enough to make his standup a true threat.

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by pud333 on Oct 1, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm tired of people bending over backwards for Kimbo

Yeah, he has a nice attitude. Yeah, he’s a PPV draw. Yeah, he’ll inevitably have a career in the UFC and hopefully win at least one fight against a scrub.

BUT THE GUY SUCKS AT MMA. There, I said it. That fight last night was embarassing, not just to him, but to the UFC and all of us fans watching. A fan guy sat on him in a crucifix (TWICE!) and Kimbo had no answer. He laid there. Just laid there. I saw no attempts to buck, create a scramble, or sweep. He laid there, helpless.

It’s all well and good for someone to have a good attitude in training, and call you “coach” and do the whole hand explodes thing after the fist bump. But if he doesn’t follow any of your advice in the actual fight—if he looks like exactly the same guy on the ground as he did a yer ago—then he’s hopeless.

After last night, I decided that Bas Rutten was exactly right about Kimbo.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

It’s a good thing comments like this completely miss the point of the article.

Yeah, we already determined he isn’t good at MMA, but at least he isn’t a ego maniac.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since when has this board been about not being an ego maniac? I thought this was about MMA. I was simply making the point that Kimbo could be the nicest guy in the world, but he sucks at MMA. And he appears to be unteachable. We’ve already gotten Bas Rutten’s testimony, and after watching the fight last night, I think it’s cinched.

I agree with you—Kimbo seemed like a super cool dude to hangout with, and he seemed like he was working hard and learning. But I saw very little evidence of that in the fight. Everybody knew Roy would put him on the ground, and yet Kimbo didn’t have anything to deal with that. To be honest, it didn’t look like he was even trying very hard.

There’s a lot of nice guys out there, they just may not be good enough MMA fighters to be in the UFC. Kimbo is one of them.

Besides, why are we giving somebody so much credit for NOT being a dick? Reminds me of Chris Rock’s routine about paying child support: “That’s what you’re supposed to do! What, you want a cookie?”

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he appears to be unteachable. We’ve already gotten Bas Rutten’s testimony, and after watching the fight last night, I think it’s cinched.

you can’t really learn that much of the ground game in two weeks…

I thought he was following (or trying to follow) Page’s instructions.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Granted, Rampage is probably not the best instructor for what Kimbo needs. But he worked extensively with Bas Rutten (months, not weeks) and it didn’t seem to help and Bas pretty much through up his hands. Then last night Kimbo was doing good in practice but seemed to just lay there in the fight. Maybe it was Roy’s big belly, but I think Kimbo will always revert to form in the heat of battle.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

you’re right, he was clueless on the ground. but I’m a bit skeptical on what Bas did with him, I’m not sold on what Bas has stated recently.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t sold on what Bas said until last night, and then I saw Kimbo do exactly what Bas accused him of: not learning, despite expert tutelage, and not executing in the fight what he had been taught to do in training. I believe my lying eyes.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me, utilizing the cage to try and sweep was some sort of improvement for Kimbo compared to what I have seen of him. I mean, he is going up against Roy Nelson, a BJJ Black Belt, and Nelson is definitely the type that can take a fighter down and keep him down.

by chrisbboy82 on Oct 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I liked his almost-sweep off the cage—he deserves credit for that. I was more disappointed in the second round performance—maybe he was tired.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because there are so many “dicks” in MMA, it’s absurd. And most people felt Kimbo would be an ego maniac.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any more dicks in MMA than other sports. Nobody in MMA measures up to Ocho Cinco or T.O. for pure jackassery. In fact, I’d argue MMA is remarkably civilized considering that the point is to beat each other’s faces in. The glove touch, for example, or the ritual of thanking an opponent and having a private moment after you just beat him, have no equivalent in other sports (sans post-game handshake, which is often an empty gesture or chance for a reunion with old friends from earlier teams).

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. In the spotlight, other sports might dwarf MMA, but MMA has a huge local scene that I’ve dealt with too many times.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Yes, you’re right, MMA has a higher douchbag quotient among the pretenders. I was talking pro.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

For evidence, just look at the recent post about the guy who got a cheap KO off a fake glove touch.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That happens way more than people think. I’ve seen two of them live.

David Heath’s back of the head punch after KO’ing Wayne Cole was downright douchebaggery as well.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

are we talking about the same guy

who got his start with ‘reality kings’?

by pmac06340 on Oct 1, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, his start was with the Youtube fights, and he knew the founders of Reality Kings. Reality Kings used his Youtube popularity to increase viewership of their porn. Pretty simple.

What does that have to do with anything? They paid his ass to stand around.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s arguing that beating up inferior, poorly-informed opponents at backyard barbecues for “bread” and then mocking them with videos on YouTube is the height of being a dick.

But dude’s gotta eat. And yes, I did think he showed a cool attitude last night.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I fail to see how that’s being a dick. And more importantly, that was a life that’s gone anyways, so how does that even pertain to the present? It doesn’t.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beating up amateurs in unsanctioned backyard contests? Isn’t that kind of like Lawrence Taylor throwing crippling hits during a game of backyard football?

But personally, I don’t hold it against him or fault him for it.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s better than them shooting each other.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, as we learned from Kimbo’s convo with Marcus last night, some of them DID end up in shooting matches.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sounded like some of those spats were resolved by the backyard fights.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took it more as dudes tried to muscle in on their gimmick, and some of them brought guns and pulled them out when the fight didn’t go their way. Scary situation, but predictable.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you miss the attempt to push off the cage? He tried what he knew how to do.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus

rampage said specifically to hold him and stall if he got taken down again in the 2nd…. didn’t say anything about escaping to kimbo

by cagefightonacid on Oct 1, 2009 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I still love that they were both put in the cage and the cards fell where they did. IE: there was no careful editing, no questionable stoppages (though I was sort of surprised that they didn’t stop it at the end of rd1 when it was painfully obvious Kimbo was going nowhere).
I guess it’s not that surprising but seeing where Kimbo came from (EliteXC) it was nice to see him lose and not see the promoter screaming at the ref to “STAND THEM UP”.
I would have liked Kimbo to put on a better showing, it’s hard not to like him as a person (what little of that we get to see) but I think his limited performance likely hurt him further in the eyes of the more casual fan who tuned in the first few shows to see how well Kimbo does.

by pr0cs on Oct 1, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s hard not to like the guy, despite his lack of skills combined with his advanced age.

The UFC also deserves praise for letting the show run its natural course. Tons of people, including high profile members of the MMA media, made a lot of allegations about how the UFC would tell the coaches which matches to make to protect Kimbo or make sure that he didn’t fight until the last possible minute. Of course now that Kimbo fought early and fought against the worst possible match up, nobody is offering a mea culpa.

by Jahbulon on Oct 1, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not so sure the coaches really pick the fights they want

Roy said something to the affect that the producers have a big say in it too. Not sure if it’s true, but this is reality TV, the only things real are the results.

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by Orcus on Oct 1, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s because it was pretty obvious from last night’s tease that he’ll get a second chance (or at least first choice of a second chance if it becomes available) which is exactly the kind of favoritism people were worried about.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who else would team Rampage put back in? The guy with an extra mouth on his forehead, or the guy that completely gassed out 2 minutes in?

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by Ubernoober on Oct 1, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

if Kimbo is brought in as a replacement, he was Rampages first pick. In the coach’s opinion at least, he would be the next best replacement, particularly considering the alternatives are Wes and Abe.

by rzor on Oct 1, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right now, Kimbo is a better option than Wagner or Shivers.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

don’t let facts get in the way of some serious whining.

by Phildo on Oct 1, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re using facts to back up your argument, which is not allowed.

I don’t know how anyone can actually be upset that out of the 3 losers they’d by hinting that Kimbo has the best chance of coming back on the show. He didn’t look that great, but he looked a lot better than the other 2 guys did.

They’re probably milking marcus’ injury and showing shit way out of order to imply that, but it’s reality tv, what the hell do you expect?

by Phildo on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Wagner has virtually no striking or ground game, he’s just big. Shivers had somewhat some wrestling, but no gas or striking. At least Kimbo has dangerous hands and some takedown defense. Shivers and Wagner are worse than Kimbo.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. But Jahbulon is wondering why there’s no mea culpa, and I’m saying “cause it’s not over yet, and in fact, he was right back on the show before he walked out from his first lost.”

All of which I think is good for business. Personally, I think Kimbo makes the season (though I’m rooting for Wes Sims to win it). But let’s not fall all over ourselves to buy into Dana White’s line that Kimbo is getting treated like any TUF scrub. He isn’t.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously he’s getting different treatment, but people weren’t saying “the UFC will show some mild favoritism towards Kimbo”, they were straight up saying things like “the UFC will make sure Kimbo gets favorable match ups” and “the UFC will make sure that Kimbo doesn’t fight until the last possible minute”. These statements have been proven false.

by Jahbulon on Oct 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your right insofar as they could have rigged it to put him against a football player who knows less about MMA than he does.

Still, they get a high rating by having two stars clash, and a chance at bringing Kimbo back later in the season, thus upping the drama.

I think ultimately the truth lies somewhere in between.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying that regardless of whether he fights a can or fights someone with talent, you’ve got a theory ready to fit the data?

by Jahbulon on Oct 1, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m saying that you shouldn’t be so quick to draw conclusions before all of the data is in, i.e. the rest of the season. ;)

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason they teased everyone was to get them to watch next week because they know now everyone will stop watching. Kimbo is out

by jks9202 on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kimbo is soo cute,

I wish they would make some kind of plush toy of him, he is just soo lovable.

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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You gotta have respect for a guy who gets trapped in the crucifix position, is being squashed by over 265 pounds of fat, and still continues to fight the next round. Who would not buy a plush toy of Kimbo?

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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roy is better suited to being a plush toy.

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by Ubernoober on Oct 1, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watch out Tickle-me-Elmo, Big Country is comming for you.

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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont want to have to prise my little girl

from the clutches of “eat me roy” after he belches bile on her so she’s easier to digest

like a boomer form L4D

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by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Eat Me Roy” comes with plastic big whoppers with no pickles.

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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or at least an action figure. He could be in the Crazy Hair Collection with Clay Guida.

by black dragon on Oct 1, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clay Guida would look like thoose Troll toys.

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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol clay guida's round 5 figurine

looks like oldschool kevin nash as diesel from the old rubber WWE toys

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by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Nelson

should pioneer the belly smother submission.. I don’t see how Kimbo could breathe while underneath Roy last night, let alone take shot after shot to the head..

Kimbo has the mentality of a true student, and that makes him fun to watch train.. I am sure he will have a more impressive outing next time we see him.

Also I’m getting annoyed by all these age comments.. It’s just a number, give the guy a break.

by JayKim41 on Oct 1, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah

Plus, look at the guy who was training him during this show..

Rampage is not suited at all to be a coach.. I was cringing while listening to the advice he was dishing out.

Now that Kimbo is working with ATT, the man is going to be a beast..

by JayKim41 on Oct 1, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was working some serious belly-on-belly position

I don’t know if he learned that from Renzo or what

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by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the way I look at it, Kimbo is an old man, and based on the life he has said he has lead he won’t have the body to keep going into his 40’s like couture.

I knew he was going to lose this season, and I knew that Dana would do WHATEVER it took to get him right back in there, so people wont stop watching the show.

I am really pissed that Kimbo is going to be hand fed this 2nd chance because of his marketability, and not based on who is most deserving of the shot skill wise. The only people that lose because of that decision, is the viewers.

by haggardhero on Oct 1, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL, yeah.. . because Abe “I can’t Strike or Wrestle” Wagner and Wes “No gas tank and a fake shoulder” Shivers are great alternatives. Give me a break.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wes "No gas tank and a fake shoulder yet still should have won" Shivers

Fixed.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Abe would never be cleared to fight with axe wound on his forehead.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This statement makes the baby Jesus cry.

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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasnt even referring to the guys on the show, theres more heavyweights out there for them to choose from, guys that actually have skill, and arent just large human beings.

by haggardhero on Oct 1, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That isn’t what you said at all

I am really pissed that Kimbo is going to be hand fed this 2nd chance because of his marketability, and not based on who is most deserving of the shot skill wise. The only people that lose because of that decision, is the viewers.

This is in the context of the heavyweights they ALREADY picked for the show.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Double standards?

Why is it everyone is soooooo unimpressed with Big Country’s performance? The man fought an extremely smart fight, called his shot (unanswered shots counted out so ref has no choice but to stop match), and executed his game plan flawlessly.

Fans are only starting to come around to the Machida/Anderson Silva strategy of don’t get hit with those small gloves first, inflict enough damage second. The logic is brilliant and Joe Rogan has done a great job ever since the Machida/Silva fight to point out that not gettting hit is really the best strategy.

So my question is this, when Roy uses his belly to smother an opponent, uses position control to render his opponent not only defenseless but offenseless as well, then chooses to NOT throw bombs to his opponent’s forehead/top of head where breaking a hand is easy to do how is this unimpressive? Was Kimbo an easy target for such a strategy, yes. But that is why the performance as impressive, Nelson created a gameplan, he executed it, he won, and he took no real damage. Give that man a double whopper with cheese.

by pwrcartel on Oct 1, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If I was a referee and I saw pitter-patter shots to a downed opponents that weren’t doing anything, I’d let it go. I understand the rule, but hearing Roy KNOW that’s the rule and even giving an example of slaps… I’m unimpressed.

He could have likely subbed Kimbo versus doing that.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybee he didn’t want to hurt his fists? How come no one complains when the Diaz borthers throw shots like that?

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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because the Diaz brothers normally don’t have you in a completely defenseless position.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

because people usually do complain?

by Phildo on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a difference between boasting about how you're going to go out like a bitch

and throwing almost 400 punches, and finishing in an outstanding fashion

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by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How come no one complains when the Diaz borthers throw shots like that?

Because the Diaz boys use those pitter-patter shots to set up a spectacular finish, not as a way to manipulate the rules for an easy win.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as you weren’t one of the people calling “favoritism” or whining about the non-stoppage against James Thompson then I have no problem with this argument.

But I see so many people who who thought Dan M.‘s non-stoppage was such a travesty, but now are up in arms over Roy’s strategy to finish.

I’m in the camp that neither should have been stopped, because referees ultimately have the discretion and ability to evaluate the danger of the situation and having someone do the equivalent of a “typewriter torture” and getting the stoppage is ridiculous.

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by The_Gaijin on Oct 1, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, i’m nor saying my assessment is right. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh no one’s saying anyone’s opinion has to be “right” or “wrong” – especially on a subjective topic. As long as you have sound and consistent reasoning for it, whether I agree with or I not, I won’t be faulting you for it.

I mean the whole “intelligent defense” argument doesn’t really make sense if no damage is being done…wouldn’t the “intelligent defense” be to ignore the non-damage and concentrate on doing something else?

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by The_Gaijin on Oct 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that he knew the rules and used them to win via a specific method is quite impressive to me, especially when said method of victory isn’t a commonly used one. Roy essentially submitted Kimbo via pure position control. He could have flicked Kimbo’s ear 30 straight times and it was time to end the fight. When you have someone that dominated, why throw down big bombs? It only adds injury to insult to your opponent and risks an hand injury.

I also wondered why Roy didn’t look for an arm triangle, anaconda, americana, or bravo choke (my knowledge of chokes comes 90% from judo chops so forgive my ignorance of what he should have gone after) from mount, side control, or crucifix for that matter, but again where was the risk/reward? Roy had him pinned down like a little brother. I think he should have gone to the ear flick instead of the Diaz jab in the 2nd round.

Maybe I’m a mutant, but I actually enjoyed watching Anderson Silva utterly toy with Leites by avoiding just about every strike and at times countering with a punch to Leites thigh. Sivla won in via an uncommon method just as Roy did. Silva and Machida use movement to avoid taking damage, Roy uses position control (or more precisely “belly control”) to the same end. Using their considerable skills to win an in unusual manner after game planning for it takes talent. Don’t get me wrong, Big Country ain’t in Sivla or Machida’s league in MMA, but his grappling can be mentioned in the same paragraph as the Spider’s striking. But that gap between Roy and Kimbo on the ground is wider than the striking gap between Silva and most of his opponents. So Roy used his biggest advantage to control the fight, execute his game plan, win the fight, and take no damage. Smart fighting is becoming more en vogue so I consider his performance decidedly impressive. But hold the pickles on his double whoper.

by pwrcartel on Oct 1, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh…nelson’s babe ruth tweet …

they were both fat, we knew that….

nelson was referring to calling his shot…how the fight would end….

by Headkick on Oct 1, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that he's at ATT...

I want Kimbo to spend 5 hours a day with Alves doing leg kicks. The cage roll was nice, but the thing I loved most about his performance was that VERY nice kick. Too bad he didn’t throw more, he could’ve chopped down a fairly stationary Nelson on the feet.

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by Anthony Pace on Oct 1, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

He needs to work on his flying head kick.

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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if he can afford Butterbean's services..

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by Anthony Pace on Oct 1, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude D.W. is an asshole

and who ever thinks Roy didnt perform well….go and just…(you know the rest) i just cant stand how D.W. treats fighters when they prove him wrong. Roy fought the best fight out of all the fighters so far, and he beat up the guy that was suppose to be good….lol …really? in any case if you look at the end of the first round…Herb (the reff) looks like he is going to stop the fight, then he remembers that D.W. told him to help out Kimbo anyway possible…(at least that what it looked like)and he gives him another 10 sec. chance. if it was a real fight and Kimbo was getting hit for 30 seconds…even if they where slaps…THEY WERE UNANSWERED SHOTS…THATS it. D.W> sucks and the whole UCF hype is BS.

by 1WAYtiket on Oct 1, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

nah, Dana was right

Big Country acted like he KOed Cro-Cop with a left high kick, when all he did is lay his fat belly and play piddy-pat with Kimbo’s face.

The King wants it his way? Puh-leeze.

Babe Ruth? More like a legging out a double off an errant throw.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

...he did get the W...that all it matters.

its a tournament he can not go for broke…just to please…..Dana or anyone….he did what he had 2 do…period. he won and he moves on.

by 1WAYtiket on Oct 1, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but the celebration made him look foolish, and Dana commented on it, which isn’t good for his long term prospects with the UFC. That’s the game, and he made a bad play with his finish, even if he won the fight.

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by thetakeover on Oct 1, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because he threw it doesn’t mean it was nice. How was it a nice leg kick? He telegraphed it from 3 miles away! Aside from that, give the guy some credit, enough with the “no ground skills” comments. We knew his skill limitations coming into the show. Besides, it was Roy Nelson on top of him, a guy who’s got grappling wins over the likes of Frank Mir and Brandon Vera. If Kimbo swept Nelson, like some of you guys seem to think he should’ve been able to, I’d really be scratching my fricken head. Nelson did his job last night, which was to get through to the next tier of the “tournament” without any scratches or injuries. Against a guy like Kimbo, it was a smart play.

by bubbafat on Oct 1, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I loved hearing Kimbo talk. He seems like a genuinely grounded person.

A lot of his personae and ability to deal and focus and try to learn is the fact that he has 6 kids. I grew up with 5 other siblings and my dad was one focused dude. It gives you tons of meaning in life and you take things seriously. I also knew a couple of other dudes with 4+ kids when working on Oil Rigs, and they too were dead serious about their jobs and work.

It’s looking like it’s becoming a trademark for hardcore fans to cap on Kimbo’s skills. Just take it for what it is. He’s an entertaining character, people like him, and he throws hard punches.

My main gripe with Kimbo is that his punches have no snap on them. I’m wondering if he’s ever worked on moving his hips when he punches. A guy like that with snap and hip movement would destroy what he hits. As it is he throws with his shoulders and his head movement sort of sucks.

by Dooda on Oct 1, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 for that

I keep seeing Kimbo throw punches and while they’re a little better than arm punches, he only throws from his shoulders. While he’s obviously a big and strong dude – the stuff that caused damage to journeymen and backyard fighters isn’t going to do much against trained pros.

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by The_Gaijin on Oct 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

" As it is he throws with his shoulders and his head movement sort of sucks."

This is what I noticed with all of his youtube videos too. Made me less than impressed with those fights, since anyone with a bit of punching technique would have won those fights much, much faster.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Barely restrained bull-rush!

You could see almost every time Kimbo began moving forward to strike that his instincts to bull-rush in on his opponent almost take over. His chin pops up and his forward momentum kind of stutters slightly like he is literally telling himself NOT to rush in and get Seth’d again.

Honestly, at this stage in his fighting career, I hope the only “ground” skills Kimbo’s trainers have him focus on is the ability NOT to go to the ground and how to get back to his feet if and when he does get taken down. The guy likes to throw punches, so set him up with skills like Chuck used to capitalize on so well back in the day and let him learn how to properly knock out well trained fighters.

Other than that, yeah I am on the “Kimbo’s Humble Attitude Makes Him Awesome” train.

by DJDace on Oct 1, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully this is the end of the charade over UFC's interest in Kimbo.

It’s clearly not “he has to win TUF to get in” like it was a year ago. It’s obvious he’s there because they can use his name, draw and hype him up even more with their excellent PR machine.

I don’t care how nice of a guy he is or how willing to learn he is or any of that. It’s time to quit pretending and hanging up the silly facade…he’ll be given every opportunity to get back in the show, he’ll be fighting on UFC TV cards or PPV cards and he’ll be a big part of their hype on any events he’s on until he’s overexposed or they can no longer market him due to his huge lack of skill.

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Oct 1, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

p.s.

I’m totally fine with them having him and using his tremendous drawing power – but after last night’s total schooling, I don’t want to hear all their dressed up this and that about why he’s there.

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Oct 1, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dana actually said that if Kimbo wanted into the UFC...

that he had to go through TUF, not necessarily win it.

Its not like there isn’t a tradition of keeping some non-winners after the show is over if they have an upside to them.

by Razreshat on Oct 1, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

True – they definitely keep guys around, that’s for sure. But in those cases it’s guys that could actually hang or have future potential. I honestly don’t really see it with Kimbo – they’ll be riding the coattails of his drawing power and either he’ll get smashed by any current HW in the UFC or they’ll have to put him up against less than UFC caliber opponents. Either way I think the gig is up on that whole thing.

I mean – doesn’t it rub people the wrong way a tad when the sole focus of “next episode…does Kimbo make it back?” Really? He just got dominated and taken out and the only thing we hear about Roy is – “meeeeehh…he did just enough to win. My daughter hits harder”….but we’re already hyping whether a guy who lost gets back on the show? What about the other 10 HW who haven’t even fought yet? Nothing?

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Oct 1, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They hyped Jones up a little.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes – you’re right on that, I almost forgot. He’s (for better or worse) knocking the snot out of his teammates! Ha ha.

I think I saw some commentary that he’s got lots of KO power but he’s pretty chinny.

Unfortunately they seem to indicate he’s got issues staying healthy and they might need to replace him…strokes beard in thought…but with WHO?! LoL

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Oct 1, 2009 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How about the person who lost yet has the best combination of TD defense and cardio?

Ignoring the fact that Shivers won his fight (that was a travesty, the fight and the decision), Kimbo is honestly the best of the three who have lost already.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kimbo is Legit

Im a fan, I dont think he brings any type of disrespect to the sport, and seems like a real cool guy.

by DumbOut on Oct 1, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

People either like him or hate him, there is no middle line.

Kimbo has probably made more than one MMA fan change his mind just by coming in and being humble, and it looks like he made some friends in the TUF house. There are people who are going to dislike him for personal reasons, their minds are made up, and they wont change.

by Cmad77 on Oct 1, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Kimbo can become an Eddie the Eagle, or Junk Yard Dog type personality. People like him. He’s a good guy. He tries hard and he’s fairly dangerous. Who knows what his upside is, but a guy his age is going to take a little while to squeeze out the bad habits he’s developed. I agree with the guy that said he should be focused on becoming a Chuck. More snap and hip movement when he punches, better sprawl, better ability to get back up on his feet, etc.

For those who critique him for not having any ground game, if my memory serves me right Arlovski couldn’t get Roy off of him and Arlovski is a Sambo champion (or so I heard). Is that not true? I mean, it would take someone with both incredible skill AND massive amounts of strength to be able to get Roy off of them like that. What Kimbo’s glaring weakness was though was getting passed to mount and half guard.

by Dooda on Oct 1, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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