Roy Nelson Talks About his Win Over Kimbo Slice
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 7:05 AM EDT
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Sergio Non has an excellent interview with Roy "Big Country" Nelson. He talked about his game plan on the fight:
You know how Babe Ruth used to point to the fence and say, "I'm going to hit this home run"? I did exactly what I wanted: take no hits, get it to the ground and just win... My biggest thing was not to get hit, finish the fight without hurting my hands. Just go out there, get the "W," and get it done...
By far, it's not the funnest fight to watch, I'll tell you that. I just went in, did what I was supposed to do and won... It's basically John Madsen vs. Abe Wagner as in, take him down. Except mine was, take him down and crucifix. I like to put myself in the same category as Babe Ruth. I just picked it, called my shot and did it.
He went on to talk about Kimbo Slice's skills:
His takedown defense is good to a certain degree, but when you're at this high level, I just know that (my offense) is a little bit better... [Among the guys I fought], I'd say top five, for sure, as in punching power... There's a lot of different guys that can punch hard, but he's one of the guys you don't get hit (by) flush on the chin. If you did, you can be seeing stars.
On the UFC giving Kimbo special treatment:
First round was 44 punches to the face, and then (referee) Herb Dean doesn't know how to ref, but we've seen that before. And then the next round was 22 punches... You could even see me yelling at Herb Dean, "Come on, ref". But the thing is, there's a lot of people; there's a lot of money. Kimbo's the only one that I know that had an entourage there; he actually had his family there, his management, while the rest of us kind of had to suffer. The UFC made, we'll say, different concessions for Kimbo. I think he had a media room.
He also talked about his physique, something the newer fans have criticized him about:
If I'm supposed to be this out of shape, or this fat guy or whatever, then I have no muscle, so then I'm just beating people off of pure skill, which is kind of scary... I think that's the thing that people actually hate — just the fact that I'm outshining people (despite) the way that I look.
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I guess this interview lends credence to the 'arrogance' assertion
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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I hope someone downs Roy. He’s arrogant. Someone’s going to drop power on him on this show, and if not here… he’ll be shut up in the heavyweight division.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 1, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does wanting that person to be Wes Sims make me a bad person?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the contrary, it makes you a great person.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Wes get Big Country over his head for a powerbomb?
by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the vacuum of space, maybe.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that arrogant? He had a gameplan to maximize his success on the show. He went out and executed it. He admits himself it wasn’t the most fan-friendly way to go, but when fighting three times in six weeks (or at least aspiring to), what can you do?
I’m so sick of this “Roy is arrogant” meme. The guy is a pro. He knows he’s a pro. When he says he’s been in the game longer than Rashad and Wittman, it’s just a demonstrable and verifiable fact.
He thinks people who judge him on his physique are idiots, and guess what? They fucking are.
This Kimbo/TUF 10 bullshit is really bringing out, maybe not the worst, but definitely the dumbest in the MMA fanbase. Roy is a hardworking guy who has more than paid his dues on the way up. Acting like he’s the one out of line in all of this is ridiculous. The guy should have been in the UFC three to five years ago.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy should have been in the UFC three to five years ago.
Looks matter. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it is the way that it is and you have to deal with it. Also, give reasons why he should have been in the UFC 3-5 years ago. Was it his amazing opponents he had beaten?
When he says he’s been in the game longer than Rashad and Wittman, it’s just a demonstrable and verifiable fact.
Rashad had his first fights 7 days before Roy’s first fights.
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by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and Nelson was in ADCC in 2003 when Rashad was graduating college.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Wes Sims started fighting 2 years earlier. Should they be deferring to his expertise? Roy spent a lot of time training at Lion’s Den and actually didn’t get his black belt until after TUF 10 finished. I will take Rashad, Wittman, and the occasional Greg Jackson pop in over that thanks.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Greg Jackson versus anybody.
The point is, I don’t think Roy is guilty of unfounded arrogance. I think he’s an experienced and seasoned fighter who rightly feels that he knows what he’s doing and is more than capable of doing it.
I don’t understand why other people don’t give him he same credit.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has the experience to make his own choices, but those choices make him look arrogant. Not getting into optimal shape, half assing in training and fights on TUF, arguing with the coaches on the show. I think he is hurting himself more than he is helping.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grapplers Quest ’03 vs. Frank Mir:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dj5xMeXybs&feature=player_embedded#
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Nelson rubbing the UFC execs very wrong in the future. He’s very willing to open up on things that are usually only opened up on when a fighters been kicked off or ditched in the first round.
Kudos to him for speaking his mind though.
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by SamCupitt on Oct 1, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I’m supposed to be this out of shape, or this fat guy or whatever, then I have no muscle, so then I’m just beating people off of pure skill, which is kind of scary… I think that’s the thing that people actually hate — just the fact that I’m outshining people (despite) the way that I look.
I really feel it is necessary to repeat this because I like Roy Nelson. He’s A-OK in my book. While I find stuff like fat-jitsu funny, I find it hard to take anything away from his skills inside the ring. I still feel sorry for him abou the whole Arlovski stand-up crap.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 1, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m shaped just like him. So I’ve got that going for me.
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by BadB on Oct 1, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Kool Aid!
I think that’s the thing that people actually hate — just the fact that I’m outshining people (despite) the way that I look.
I wonder if people are legitimately impressed that he took down and laid on top of Kimbo Slice? Don’t get me wrong, a win is a win, but this is not akin to beating Fedor.
The thing about Roy is that, from what I can tell, he’s dillusional. He appeared on a radio show, and I asked about actually getting into shape and getting down to a more appropriate weight class. Straight out of the Cro Cop book of laziness, Roy said he’d have to cut off a leg to make 205lbs. Bullshit!
Roy: you have at least 30% body fat. You don’t have to cut off limbs to lose weight, you have to stop shoveling mountains of shit into your gaping orifice from which your lies escape. You’re a professional fighter for goodness sake, and my understanding is that training for a fight is grueling. That is to say, I’m confident that you’re burning calories and I wonder just how many you have to consume to maintain your doughy physique?
The guy has a certain level of talent, but he’s hardly among the best Heavyweights in the world. I actually saw an article today suggesting that Nelson was a top 10 Heavyweight a year ago. Ridiculous! Who has Nelson ever beat to earn such a distinction? Brad Imes? Hell, Josh Gross’ recent assertion that Roy Nelson has “Top 25 potential” isn’t an appraisal of his talent, but an indictment on the lack of depth in the division.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I was unprepared for the Roy Nelson Head Expantion. And no Joe Rogan, that is not some new form of DMT.
by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what DMT is, but it must be some kind of psychotropic drug if you’re invoking the name of Joe Rogan.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea
Go to youtube and look up Joe Rogan and DMT.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t a “Joe Rogan watches the Pain Olympics” situation, is it?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Watch it, or more accuratly, hear it. Its a radio interveiw or a series of them where he talks about DMT.
by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard Doug Stanhope talk about doing it with Rogan.
by soadtrails on Oct 2, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have to cut off limbs to lose weight, you have to stop shoveling mountains of shit into your gaping orifice from which your lies escape
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol that statement was hilarious.
This shirt is "dry clean only", which means it's dirty.
by SamCupitt on Oct 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The thing about Roy is that, from what I can tell, he’s dillusional (sic)."
So good for so many reasons. This is exactly what I’m talking about.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure his performance wasn’t impressive and the fight itself was very boring with Nelson simply laying his huge body on Kimbo but I think his strategy was extremely sound. This isn’t a regular fight where you go in, fight and then have possibly months before you fight again. This is TUF where you have to fight again much sooner and if you sustain a cut or any type of injury you could potentially lose your shot on the show and a spot in the UFC. I’m very unimpressed with Nelson’s attitude as well, but on this point I think he came in with a great strategy and employed it. Just my opinion :)
by Chadsac on Oct 1, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a completely reasonable and well-stated idea. It doesn’t completely crush Roy Nelson, however, so it’s wrong.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TUF is also about showcasing yourself, and he really tanked on this.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He showed entirely too much of himself if you ask me.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pro fighter everyone. This big fat man is a pro. That doesn’t sit well with me. Pudgy is one thing, but the man has a gut and all he has to say for himself is “I am hungry, time to eat”
by szucconi on Oct 1, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butterbean makes it work.
Nelson makes it jiggle.
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by Ozzz on Oct 1, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wins the show, he’ll have other chances to showcase himself. Hell, he’s got other chances on the show itself. Sure, the Kimbo fight was guaranteed to be his most-watched, but the flip side, it’s a fight he absolutely cannot afford to lose.
by JRN on Oct 2, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His fat actually gives him an edge like Bob from Tekken 6.
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by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone that round can’t possible have an edge.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part of last nights episode was Dana White’s explanation for why the fight wasn’t stopped in the first round, that the punches were not ‘very hard’.
So it is not just a lack of intelligent defence now, it has to also be hard strikes too?
I did not know they had revised the unified rules.
They tried so hard to keep the Kimbo ship afloat, not surprised they made concessions for him to have his ‘entourage there’. Funny that so many people are giving Roy shit when he just proved to everyone that Kimbo has no place in the UFC.
I don’t think Roy’s attitude is very good and that is too bad, but he still won and Kimbo lost and now they will try anything and everything to get him back on TV for ratings alone.
They should be very careful with who they match Kimbo up against in the future, there are no heavyweights that I can foresee him beating, even Chris Tushshehrsehrhser would beat him.
by DirtyML on Oct 1, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL! Dude… did Dave Kaplan rape and pillage your village? That guys ears must be burning. ha!
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 1, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There has to be something to defend against. It is like holding a kimura that the other person cannot get out of, but not enough to actually do any damage.
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by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So by your rationale...
..if you had me in crucifix and gave me 50 noogies, that should be a TKO?
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by Ozzz on Oct 1, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the rules it is.
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by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of what the rules say
I think the spirit is that you need to be defending yourself from being finished or serious physical harm…Could those shots cause brain damage? Maybe, and maybe it should have been stopped, but if you are going to deliver such small punches the ref needs to be very cautious in stopping the fight.
Laying there with 15 seconds left and just making it through those might be construed as “intelligent Defense”
by SES 84 on Oct 2, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of what the rules say
lol
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait for Wes Sims to fight before you throw the rules down the toilets.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 5, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Dana because although Kimbo could not defend himself he really didn’t have a need to defend himself and fighter safety was not an issue
I know a lot of people are going to go back and forth on the non-stoppage in the first round but if there was no damage being taken I don’t see the need to stop it, kinda like Florian’s win over Lauzon – yeah Florian was in a top mount position throwing down punches, but those punches weren’t doing anything to Lauzon
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 2, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Nelson: Known Liar
My biggest thing was not to get hit, finish the fight without hurting my hands.
Really you liar? Then why didn’t you finish that Americana you were working from side control? What, did Kimbo’s expertise on the ground lead you to conclude that punching him 44 times in the head would be safer on your hands?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don't need to hear bragging from somebody that put on that performance.
Did he win? Yes. Was Kimbo lousy on the ground. Should he have been able to do SO MUCH MORE if he were as good as he says he is? HELL TO THE YES.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 1, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Nelson did have Kimbo in the crucifix position
but he was hardly doing anything. Those “punches” (if you can call them punches) were nothing. He is going to have a hard time with anyone who can stop his TD’s or get up from their back, & I personally cannot wait to see it.
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by dnevil001 on Oct 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Americana is a relatively low-percentage submission, and its easy to lose your position if you go for it.
by judonerd on Oct 2, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Sherdog offer the statistics on that?
I do recall Americana being pretty low on the list. I like it and the Kimura, but yeah, I can’t count the amount of times I have gotten out of one or had someone stop mine because it unbalances your just enough that even a beginner who has been taught to use his hips can buck you out of position.
I’m not a grammar nazi or anything, and it’s mainly because a teacher friend of mine despises the word, but Roy’s use of “funnest” got an eyebrow raise out of me.
by black dragon on Oct 2, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that upsets me a little bit is that usually on the TUF matches the guys go balls out trying to show that they want the contract and you mean to tell me Big Country is going to stroll in there and continue to fight like that and expect to get the contract?
So technically, he probably will (as per the requirements of the show) but we all know if Dana doesn’t want you to get that contract you won’t see CB Dollaway & Jesse Taylor for reference.
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 2, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that upsets me a little bit is that usually on the TUF matches the guys go balls out trying to show that they want the contract and you mean to tell me Big Country is going to stroll in there and continue to fight like that and expect to get the contract?
And people get hurt going balls to the wall. Why jump through the window when there’s a door there? He took the safe win. It’s silly to say he should have taken more risks for the hell of it.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Example – fighters like Matt Hammill, Tim Credur and Matt Brown to name a few put everything they had into their fights on TUF got injured but still impressed Dana – so they may not have won that season of TUF but he did earn a contract and has been doing well for the organization ever since
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 2, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Nelson has enough pro fights that he doesn’t need to risk his health to impress Dana on a reality show. He’s a grappler who dominated his opponent and, ya know, won. Easily.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, because Roy is obviously a rich dude. He’s set. There’s nothing that Dana White can offer him.
Every time I head down to Walmart I see people wearing their Roy Nelson bellies and I think: that guy has got a license to pring money!
But seriously: even if you win, Dana doesn’t have to put you on the main card, and he doesn’t have to pay you shit. Better to go balls out and earn some respect. (c.f. Yushin Okami.)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money is nice, of course, but Roy has had, and will have, a career in MMA. He was fighting Kimbo – it was a no win situation. Either he loses to lolkimbo or he beats Kimbo and pisses the accountants off. He chose to win the fight in the way that caused least risk to everyone.
Dana wasn’t putting him in any main events anyway. A guy who looks like that, and a grappler (remember the Kimbo-fans that Dana is after boo when it goes to the ground) – let’s not pretend that how he won made any difference.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana put him on the show...
And he’s put lots of grapplers in main events.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marketability trumps talent.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thales Leites was marketable?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, exactly.
But he got a shot!
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by jemaleddin on Oct 5, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Why jump through the window when there’s a door there? "
exactly!!! can anyone give me a better strategy for beating Kimbo when you’re a big fat tub of grease with a good ground game? I’m not sure what people were looking for from this fight. Roy may be an arrogant EL Gordo, but his job is to win fights, not win fights exactly as you want him to. Maybe he could have finished the Keylock with Kimbo’s poor skill, but he chose to belly smother and throw “punches” if it had been anyone other than Kimbo, the fight is stopped before the end of the first round. had there been more time left, it would have been stopped before the end of the first round. in fact, it looked to me like Herb was moving in to make a stop when the 10 seconds to go signal was given and he backed off, which i have no problem with because of the extreme weakness of the punches that were being thrown.
by erogers72 on Oct 2, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP says:
“I am not impressed by your performance.”
by BakiHanma21 on Oct 1, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That’s a hell of a choice of fighter to reference when discussing Roy Nelson. Polar opposites in terms of physical appearance.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
being a brit
i’m not exactly clued in when it comes to baseball, but wasnt babe ruth one of the greatest ever?, making the comparison judging on his performance against Kimbo is pretty ridiculous if thats the case.
He clearly wasnt enjoying the stand up, bundled kimbo over and pretty much just lay there. Yes he was working for the sub, but he failed miserably and the shots he was delivering to the top of kimbo’s head looked anything but troubling. I agree with others that want to see him dropped just to shut him up. Currently, Kimbo is a name, not a talent. He has massive potential i think, but Roy is banging on like he’d whitewash the UFC’s HW division when in reality he’d be brought back down to earth with an almighty thud.
by TOON_UF on Oct 1, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Nelson has more in common with John Rocker, personally.
Both nuts. Both limited potential. Both talking themselves out of a career.
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by Ozzz on Oct 1, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only comparison between Babe Ruth & Roy Nelson
is that they are both fat-ass athletic guys.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dnevil
fair enough, i wouldnt have a clue! lol..either way, i was under the impression Babe Ruth was quite a good baseball player, so the comparison seems a little far fetched!
by TOON_UF on Oct 1, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm, I did not make the comparison buddy. Nelson did.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 2, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People Who Don't Get The Babe Ruth Comparison
He called his own shot. He said he was going to beat Kimbo, exactly how he was going to beat him, and he did it.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 1, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yea I thought the Babe Ruth comparison was pretty obvious, Babe Ruth called his shots.
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then he ate seven fried chickens, smoked a cigar...
..and banged three women..
Oh, wait. Scratch the last bit.
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by Ozzz on Oct 1, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm completely not buying the entire "Nelson is arrogant" meme
Nothing I’ve seen or heard from him in the last couple days has been particularly egregious at all—especially considering the kinds of things professional athletes tend to say and do.
Could he be more humble and contrite? Sure.
Is what he’s doing a big deal at all? Not as far as I can tell.
Roy Nelson will almost undoubtedly have trouble with the upper echelons of the HW division (he has already outside of the UFC, after all), but he is far beyond the other people on this show in terms of skill, experience and resume. How anybody can be surprised that he might have a little chip on his shoulder about going through a reality TV show to get into the biggest promotion in the sport—one that may or may not have previously denied him due to his look—is completely beyond me.
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by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
granted that chip may be on his shoulder for the reasons you mentioned but I would think that would make him display more of his tools to the viewing audience, instead you have most of the viewing audience looking past Roy because of the way he fought
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 2, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They already look past him because of the way he looks. Roy did the smart thing – he won the fight while taking the least risks.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I am one of the few that was not looking past Roy, I was seriously expecting more from him and my co-workers and friends that I got to watch the show came back the next day talking more about Kimbo than Roy
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 2, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like flying reverse headkicks and rear naked belly busters?
The guy is a grappler. He grapples. He won. People talk about Kimbo because he’s charismatic and marketed, not because he did anything impressive in his loss.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shit yeah!
He grappled the hell out of Kimbo.
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by capital L on Oct 2, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like 6.1 million people got to see Roy Nelson coast his way to mediocrity. Good job Roy, you fought not to get hurt.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh I actually like Roy Nelson now more than I did before. He’s got personality and he fought a pretty smart fight. Yea it wasn’t a groundbreaking performance but then it was a gimme fight against a easy opponent, why wouldn’t he want to save himself for a potentially tougher second round fight? He half assed that fight because that fight didn’t require him to do any more than that to win.
I could care less how he looks this is a performance sport not a beauty pageant. If the end goal was to look ripped then Phil Baroni would be a world champion instead of 13-11. Heck I really find it hilarious that people are getting so upset that Roy Nelson isn’t some kind of fitness model, unless your wanting to jerk off to him why would it matter what he looks like? Honestly why does it matter what the guy’s body looks like in a fight? Nothing wrong with getting a laugh out of him being fat but what is the point of getting bothered by it or acting like it’s hurting the sport?
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How you look matters a hell of a lot. If you look like Nelson does and then half ass a fight you don’t look anything other than fat and lazy to the average person. Millions of people saw that fight, many without much experience to MMA, and they saw a fat guy lay on this guy that they have heard is so bad ass and smother him with his belly while playing patty cake on his forehead. I think it is a pretty fair assumption that they came away with a bad taste in their mouth after watching that.
What Roy should have done is gone full out and steamrolled Kimbo, going for a submission finish. He had a chance to look impressive in front of 6+ million people and instead looked lazy and fat.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
???? How you look doesn’t matter at all, it’s a performance sport not a beauty pageant, shit the week before we had Wes Shivers out there having a heart attack in the cage because the fight lasted more than 2 minutes and he looked like a Greek God. What people saw when they watched Kimbo fight Roy was a guy that was so piss poor on the ground that his opponent didn’t even have to exert any real effort to win the fight, how they looked was irrelevant and as far as Spike and the UFC are concerned they are probably happy that Roy didn’t take advantage of his position to put Kimbo in the hospital and off the show (lord knows it wouldn’t of been hard to bust him up to the point where he needed a head full of stiches or to give him a concussion from the crucifix like that). Honestly if the UFC was at all worried about Roy looked hurting the show or the sport they would of never booked him to be on there to start with, he’s a freaking ringer who honestly should walk all over these guys. They had to know he was the odds on favorite to win it all from the moment they signed him to do the show.
As far as having a chance to look good in front of 6 million people, the show isn’t over yet and Roy is going to the next round where he will undoubtably have to fight a much tougher opponent (it would be hard for them to find an easier one). Being as the entire reason they are on the show to start with is to try and win it Roy seems to of set himself up rather nicely for his next fight. When Roy wins the show then he would of done all the impressing of people that he needed to do and if he doesn’t win it all then no one would of cared if he had busted up Kimbo or not anyway because it was a gimme match to start with.
I honestly just don’t get how anyone could possibly think that how Roy Nelson looks matters at all in MMA, they pay him to fight not to be a male model. When Roy’s shape becomes a factor in how he performs then it will be an issue but just because he doesn’t look like a steroid fueled muscle head is irrelevant to the sport. Heck the fat belly gimmick is what people remember him for, it’s what makes him stand out, if anything him looking like that helps his career because it makes him stand out so much.
by who me on Oct 2, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd
to infinity
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things changed when Kimbo entered the picture. The episodes so far have had more people watching than almost every UFN. This is a HUGE opportunity to show themselves off to the fans. Roy dropped the ball and coasted in a performance where he could have steamrolled someone who many of the viewers thought of as one of the baddest men to ever fight.
Roy’s looks are an inherent liability for himself, but they can actually be turned into a positive if he goes out and destroys people. Think Tank Abbot or Chuck Liddel. Kimbo was essentialyl a grappling dummy for him in the fight, he had the chance to show off how badass he could be and instead he coasted.
Fighters on the under card are paid to fight. Fighters on the main card are paid to draw. Roy has the freedom to make his own choices, but he is choosing to hurt his earning potential to go his own way.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are his looks a liability? His looks are unique in the sport.
by who me on Oct 2, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he looks massively overweight and out of shape. Which actually isn’t that unique except that he isn’t in the super heavyweight division.
He has the chance of finding his niche as the badass fat guy but only if he shows himself that way in his fights. Which he didn’t show by coasting in the Kimbo fight.
However, it will always be a liability as far as sponsorships go, thinking nutritional specifically. Also I imagine that when he opens his own gym his physique will turn off a significant number of potential members.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine that his black belt from Renzo Gracie will make up for that loss very handsomely.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 2, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny fact, he only received that black belt after TUF finished filming.
It is definitely a plus, but only so far as people understand what it represents. The people who I am talking about as far as hurting his memberships probably only recognize the name Gracie if that.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Man I was gonna go train UFC but that fat guy got his belt from some guy named Henzo"
I never heard of no Henzo Gracie what a fraud.
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by capital L on Oct 2, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Drysdale and Nelson, who do you think most people would choose?
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by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How you look doesn’t matter at all, it’s a performance sport not a beauty pageant
It matters because fighters who look good and put on good fights are more likely to be PPV draws. I don’t think that fight enticed any casual viewers of TUF to purchase the next PPV. Maybe that offends your sensibilities of fairness but that’s how things are.
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by azruavatar on Oct 3, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me fix that for ya..
Maybe that offends your sensibilities of fairness but that’s how things are in professional wrestling.
There ya go, free of charge :)
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by mythbuster on Oct 3, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d. Thanks to you I don’t have to argue anything, good job.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 5, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man...This entire thread/blog is layered in Fighter Bashing.
by BNTHIS on Oct 1, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’d think there would be some warnings
by soadtrails on Oct 2, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You only get in trouble for bashing certain fighters
Fedor? Off limits. BJ? Fair game. Some fat guy that tried to use his prego-gut to smother his opponent that he says he’s far more skilled than? HIT HIM WITH A HAMMER.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Frank Mir, Tim Sylvia, Michael Bisping and now Roy Nelson are on the “Bash like hell!” list.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of people got warned, moderated and maybe even banned during the live blog for bashing Roy..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 2, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“now Roy Nelson”.
Check the posts in this thread.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, was at working during the live blog, didn’t know that.
by soadtrails on Oct 2, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't get too mad at the devs for the inconsistencies in this sort of thing
It’s not like they’re getting paid for all of this…
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know if that was a jab or not. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 2, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I meant...
…that they all have jobs and are doing this as a labor of love.
Though the fact that it’s not making them rich is kinda scary – this is becoming THE MMA blog, and nobody’s getting rich off it. How is that possible?
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
since when is BJ fair game?
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 2, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’d like to know that too. I remember getting in trouble for saying “Princess Penn” once :(
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you're always in trouble.
You might as well change your id to “jemaleddin.”
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I’m not nearly witty enough.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice one. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any time he opens his mouth
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Vera is going down cause he smells like cheese.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Oct 1, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whats with all the hate?
He completely dominated the fight and I’ve yet to hear anything that makes him sound more arrogant that anyone else on the show (other than Kimbo.) The reality is that he is by FAR the guy with the best blend of experience and talent on the show. He hasn’t gotten the chance in the UFC because he didn’t look the part. Are you kidding me? How exactly is that relevant if he can fight? He came on TUF when he didnt have to because he wants to be in the UFC. and I think that earns him some leeway.
I also find it impressive that he trains himself himself, books his own fights and gets his own endorsements.
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by Day Man on Oct 2, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"I also find it impressive that he trains himself himself, books his own fights and gets his own endorsements."
So do I, but the training himself thing should probably change if he wants to really move up.
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by dnevil001 on Oct 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
alot of judgemental people in here. I’m not saying that it wouldn’t be to Roy’s benefit to drop a couple lbs… but srsly, the guy is def a top 20 HW. As far as i’m concerned, he beat Monson in their fight, and has been in there w/ some tough fighters.
Srsly, who gives a shit whether he’s fat or not? His diet is his business, and if he’s winning fights then I see no reason to bitch. He likes to overeat- fine, whatever. Nelson is a grown ass man and a bunch of guys who sit on their ass and blog about how he needs to shape up or ship out, and about how boring his last fight was, should probably shut up. Because to be perfectly honest, i’d like to see any internet MMA fan do what guys like Nelson do all the time.
Kimbo is a scrappy dude, who hits pretty damn hard, and Big Country absolutely ran train on him positionally and stopped him within the 2’nd frame. He even said himself that he didn’t want to injure his hands, and I think that to a certain extent, he didn’t want to absolutely maul Kimbo, and knew that he could get a stoppage by rendering him defenseless and chipping away w/ punches from the top.
All in all… I like Nelson, he’s one of the best HW grapplers in the sport, and I think he has a good chance of winning the whole season.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 2, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Don't forget
On TUF fighters know that they have to stay healthy if they want to win the competition. So it makes sense that they’d rather have boring fights than risk injuring themselves and losing their shot at the finale.
by koroshiya on Oct 2, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget that only one person wins the UFC contract...
(except the times that they gave it to two guys)
…but guys that fight with heart and put on a good show will impress Dana and be rewarded for it. So you’re better off fighting to be one of the 5 guys that get a second chance than the 1 guy that wins the whole she-bang.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we’ve also seen guys get injured in a fight and get replaced. I think he managed to both win and impress (via absolute total undisputed 100% ground domination over the “new and improved” Kimbo).
But he doesn’t look marketable so Dana will discount it.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's one of those situations
where I liked the fight and was disappointed at the same time. I also don’t really buy his cockiness that much. He’s probably just hamming it up a bit for the camera. Besides, there are people on previous shows that FAR outway Roy from the arrogance point of view.
by soadtrails on Oct 2, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolute domination?
I can’t go that far. Roy’s wrestling was LOUSY. His first shot went nowhere, then he had to hold Kimbo against the cage for what felt like forever to get him down. If he was so dominating, he would have REALLY finished him instead of tapping him on the top of his head until Herb stopped it.
And people are glossing over it, but Kimbo did a good job keeping him from getting wrist control, a body lock or much of anything for a while against the cage – I was impressed.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got crucifixed twice in a row.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where by “in a row” you mean, “in two different rounds.”
And yeah, shit happens. But I am not impressed by his performance.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, after the ref failed to stop it in the first round, he came out and did the same thing again in the second round. He didn’t take what was offered, he made it happen.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Dana discount it? Roy Nelson is the “fat guy”. As a personality and in appearance he stands out from everyone else in the UFC, people will notice him and if he is winning then people will watch whether it is in hopes that the fat guy wins or that he gets his ass kicked. The guys screams marketability because he is fat, he’s the guy who looks like an average joe who is out there fighting at a high level. Of course Dana is going to publicly run down the performance against Kimbo they are wanting people to keep watching in hopes that Kimbo gets another fight, if Roy had murdered Kimbo who would keep watching for that?
by who me on Oct 2, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would Dana discount it? Roy Nelson is the "fat guy".
because as the UFC grows, it becomes more about ticket sales than the ’integrity" of the sport that it once was (pretended to be?). As has already been seen on these here very forums – Dana will discount him because “fans” discount him, based on his looks.
Next year the UFC will do a vote in PPV to decide the winner of the HW championship. Voters will call or text in their vote for the best looking person.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that is the think fans aren’t discounting him because of his looks, they are hating on him because of it and hate is marketable (see Brock Lesnar).
by who me on Oct 2, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you’re saying. But Brock looks like a monster, while Roy looks like a coach potato. I have no doubt that the UFC could market him if they chose to, but as it stands now it appears they choose not to.
But time will tell, I guess. As always, I’d rather see the guy with the skills get to the top rather than the guy with the nicest body/hair/eyes/etc.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What other couch potato looking fighter is there? What other guy fighting at that level who looks like he just walked in off the street and started kicking ass? Someone needs to get Roy Nelson a big ass American Flag and drive him around in one of Matt Hughes trucks because they could market that shit to drunk guys in bars like peanuts and beer.
Roy half assed that fight because he didn’t have to do any more than that to win but there are still other fights to be had on that show against better competition (honestly could they be much worse?).
by who me on Oct 2, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to get Roy Nelson a big ass American Flag and drive him around in one of Matt Hughes trucks because they could market that shit to drunk guys in bars like peanuts and beer.
haha I can see it now.
Roy half assed that fight because …
I’m on your side here, buddy. :)
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s the guy who looks like an average joe who is out there fighting at a high level
That fight against Kimbo was not a high level. It had the chance to be, but Roy chose to coast.
Roy had murdered Kimbo who would keep watching for that?
The people who thought “holy shit that Fat guy just curbstomped that badass street fighter I heard about” rather than “man that fat guy just laid on him and hit him with girly punches”.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy half assed it because he could, it was a gimme fight for him. He didn’t have to put out any more effort than that to win so why not save it for what may be a much harder fight in the next round?
The people who thought "holy shit that Fat guy just curbstomped that badass street fighter I heard about" rather than "man that fat guy just laid on him and hit him with girly punches".
Either way would of been the same, if they were just watching the show for Kimbo (and by the ratings Kimbo is what brought 4 million plus extra viewers in this season)then they would of been disillusioned with Kimbo. The way this happened was good for them because Kimbo isn’t beat up and can come back if someone gets injured and they have all these silly excuses they can come up with. If Roy had brutalized Kimbo then most of them would of just stopped watching all together (except for the average joe guys who are excited that a average looking guy is winning and they were going to stick around regardless of how the fight turned out).
by who me on Oct 2, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think he massively dropped the ball when he could have shown off in front of 6+ million people.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never seen anyone get so much hate for this.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
We’ve seen the amazing job security that comes with actually winning the show, as opposed to losing and getting a secondary contract.
Also, to the people complaining about the punches, isn’t what Roy did basically the same as getting a joint lock submission? The point of a sub is to get the fighter into a position they cannot escape from, and then do just enough to show that if they don’t tap, there’s the opportunity to get hurt badly. This works for armbars, it was enough to stop Lesnar’s first UFC fight, but it’s not enough for Roy? Roy did the EXACT same thing.
I don’t see a problem with fighting safe to make it through the show. Roy went in there against a fighter way below him, established a VERY dominant position (twice!) rarely seen in the high levels of MMA, and finished the fight decisively in a manner that would keep him in top fighting shape. And so what if he acts cocky to get a little camera time, they’ve been showing nothing but Kimbo so far, I can’t blame the other fighters for wanting a little attention.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 2, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it is like getting a kimura and holding it without threatening to do any damage. Should Maynard have gotten a stoppage for the one on Huerta? That definitely did more damage than what Roy did to Kimbo.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it wouldn't be the first time a ref stepped in when a fighter wouldn't tap
Jeremy Stephens / Din Thomas
Chael Sonnen / Paulo Filho
by Shaun32887 on Oct 3, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonnen’s face showed Filho was definitely planning to do damage.
Although I think the entirety of Filho/Sonnen 2 qualifies as lack of intelligent defense…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 3, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I acknowledge what his gameplan was in this fight, I would have liked to see more. I’m am hoping he will turn it up in his next fight, and deliver what I know he can do.
by soadtrails on Oct 2, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this is what bothers people. Not the game plan, but the execution. I don’t know, I’ve only had one fight in the cage so far and only landed a few punches, but was there that big a risk he’d hurt his hand if he had dropped a half dozen bombs on Kimbo? I’m just curious. I don’t think I have tough hands or anything and my knuckles actually hurt on my right hand as I type this, but would people be this upset if for every four or five patty cake slaps he he cocked back and unloaded. It doesn’t even have to be a super stiff knock out punch. Put a little shoulder in it. Hell, pro-wrestlers punches look more damaging from the mount than anything Roy did.
by black dragon on Oct 2, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe add in an elbow? Go for a submission?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson won, by the way.
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by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're right about that.
I mean, did he win an exhibition match that doesn’t even go on his record that got him paid less than he would have in a competitive eating contest? Sure.
But the point of the show is to appeal to the viewers at home in order to build up a fan-base and to impress Dana White. Roy did neither of those things, and his “intelligent defense” conversation hurt him more than the fight did.
Slice won everything that matters: he impressed his fellow athletes with his work ethic, he showed improved (though still shitty) wrestling, he impressed the casual fans with his attitude and personality, and he turned around a lot of the hardcore fans who at first resisted supporting him.
Did Roy win? Eh.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the point of the show is to appeal to the viewers at home in order to build up a fan-base and to impress Dana White.
I disagree. The point of the show is to market Kimbo as a legit MMA fighter, and that’s it. The rest is just window dressing. Roy was in a lose-lose position.
And I completely disagree about Kimbo. Hardcore fans already liked him (not counting UFC afficianados who hated him because he was in EXC, and now support him because he’s in the UFC) for being humble and hard working, but also knew he had no game. Casuals saw what they saw last time – Kimbo get dominated.
The casuals don’t know who Nelson is or his credentials, so to them he just lost to ‘a big, fat white guy’ instead of a BJJ black belt.
Roy should have won in all aspects, but the marketing machine that will bring in $$$ to the UFC wants people to believe otherwise.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy coasted his way to mediocrity. Add that with his look and he lost a lot more than he won.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you are!
I knew somebody right-thinking would come along…
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a condensed version of my comment from earlier.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and for the look thing, there are two pretty famous guys who are pudgy or have a beer gut, but are known for curbstomping their opponents.
I bet you can name them easily.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butterbean and Sapp?!?
;-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 2, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant you in the general sense. I know better than to ask you (in the personal sense) anything serious =D
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why you hating on Sapp?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy coasted his way to mediocrity. Add that with his look and he lost a lot more than he won.
Thank you for proving my point. His performance was irrelevant, win or lose. There will always be people like you who judge a fighter on how he looks rather than his actual skills.
Do MMA a favor and go back to Monday Night Raw please.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged for trolling. Specifically the “people like you comment” and the “Monday Night Raw” comment.
The first bit is fine and something to discuss. Fedro is a pudgy unassuming guy, and yet he goes out and destroys people. In this case image and result end up clashing and thus people take notice when they watch. Roy looks like a very overweight guy with a huge belly. He wins by getting a crucifix on Kimbo and lightly tapping his head until the ref stops it. He doesn’t look skillful, he looks like a guy with a huge belly just laying on his opponent.
He had the chance to look like Fedro, and instead looked lazy and heavy.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As has already been mentioned this isn’t the same as a normal fight it’s a reality show, if Roy had fought Kimbo on a PPV and knew he would have months till his next fight instead of days then perhaps he would of killed the guy but we know that’s just not how it works on TUF. Still way to pigeon hole the guy based on one single performance and the fact that you seem to have a grudge against fat people.
by who me on Oct 2, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^ this
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a reality show to build the brands of the people on it. It is a chance to show people what you can do. Every fight that has an audience is. This fight is probably going to be the most watched fight Nelson will ever have. And he gave it about 25%. nelson is overvaluing the contract at the end and ignoring the public exposure gained from being seen constantly on the show.
All I am saying is that he has an inherent liability as far as perception goes due to his weight and image. I am speaking from the point of view of the 4 million+ people who don’t normally watch TUF but who will watch Kimbo.
Hell we both agree that “the fat guy who fights at the highest level” is a possibility for good drawing power, but only if he fights at the highest level. He didn’t fight that way against Kimbo.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What??
You flagged me and called me a troll??
* checks the sky * No, sky isn’t falling.
Oh, must be just another day.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t you try some actual discussion without using troll tactics? Like who me is doing. Oh and I flagged your post for trolling and did not call you a troll. There is a difference.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Blatant and flagged.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are so sure that he's trolling you
Why are you respond, thereby getting trolled?
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 2, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it is happening over and over and over and over and over and over again. I like this place, I don’t want to see it turn into the UG or Sherdog. This is the same shit that infests those places.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those sites are also filled with an ample amount of sanctimonious accusations of “trolling.”
The only thing more tiresome than a troll is a self-appointed troll-alarm.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 2, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Annnnd GREEN!
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 5, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagging somebody and then replying to them and letting them know that you flagged them is borderline trolling in and of itself
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 2, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Possibly, but I prefer to let it be known. If someone fighter bashes and I flag it, I say so.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 2, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday Roy Nelson was the #4 most searched topic on yahoo.
A month ago half you guys hadn’t even heard of him. I think he’s doing fine.
I also think he’s top 20. People tend to discount the IFL, but in many ways it does the same thing as TUF. It builds fighters by giving them a lot of fights in a short period of time and access to some great team training. A lot of people made names from the IFL: Big Ben, Big country, Ryan the Lion, Horodecki, Jay Heiron, Wagney Fabiano, Feijao Cavalcante, etc
by Headkick on Oct 2, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NO!
He has a gut, he can never accomplish anything!
Haven’t you been paying attention? The UFC needs pretty men with long, flowing hair to fight against huge muscled genetic beasts. Yeah baby!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did Dana say to you after the fight?
I think he wasn’t happy with that fight. I mean, everybody was really mad. Kimbo’s whole entourage was there, which was kind of funny since we are all supposed to be isolated, but Kimbo actually had his whole fan base, the whole 305 over there. There’s definitely some favoritism already built up there. Whatever. But they simply said to me that I have a better skill set than Kimbo, which I don’t know if it’s true. I’m just a fat guy. I’m going to go with one of my favorite sponsors, TapouT, [and say] I’m just bad for the sport.
Did you get the impression that the people working on the show were upset that Kimbo lost?
I’ll tell you the executive producer of The Ultimate Fighter was very upset. He doesn’t know fighting, he was just like, ‘Oh, there goes my cash cow.’
Back to Kimbo’s entourage, how many people were actually there because I didn’t notice any extra people around?
Actually, if you go back and actually look at the clips, they are actually behind where Dana, Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta are. There’s his entourage screaming 305. I mean, I didn’t really get to see it because I was concentrating on the fight, but everybody kind of told me about it, and I was like, ‘What?’ I think he really did have a media room in the house because there was one door in our bedroom where it was locked all the time.
Really?
I don’t know if he had an iPhone, but he definitely wasn’t on the same contract as everybody else.
Was there any resentment in the house because of this?
No, we just had a list in the house, and we made sure we ordered food on his list because we knew Kimbo would get it.
Does it bug you that it has gotten out that he is going to fight again in December?
No, not really. This is the PR machine talking about there is only one contract, and now we know that it’s a lie, unless Kimbo already took it. If Kimbo already has it then there’s no more contracts.
But do you think he deserves to be fighting in the big leagues, so to speak.
Hey, welcome to the new boxing. Dana has said that before. We can actually get Bob Arum. What a retard.
http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/10/01/roy-nelson-comes-out-swinging-after-beating-kimbo-slice-on-tuf/
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 2, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I read the article you posted mmasup and Roy does sound a little bitter
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 2, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Justifiably, I think.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 2, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it seems he is getting a raw deal here. You could tell he feels disrespected being a veteran yet Kimbo gets all the concessions and special treatment. What really sucks is that he is the favorite to win it all, yet, most people are deeming him the villain and the UFC has hated his physique and attitude before they even got him to do TUF. I guess we will see how this turns out, but Roy should be the favorite to win the entire season.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 2, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upon reading all these posts, I’m liking the tactics that Roy used more and more. I have no doubt that he will ramp up the intensity as the matches progress. If his gameplan wasn’t working against Kimbo, he would have changed that too! This isn’t Andy Wang (I hope that’s right) where he shuts down and won’t listen to anyone or change his plan. Hell most people won’t change their game plan.
Also, who the hell cares if he has a belly on him, do you guys ripping on him really enjoy seeing chisled abs on big dudes THAT much?
Forrest should be ashamed of himself because he doesn’t wax his chest. Kimbo should be ashamed because he’s balding. Brandon Vera should be ashamed because he’s lanky. Matt Hamil should be ashamed because his chest looks sunken in. Brock should be ashamed because of his tattoo (and I’m a brock fan). Fedor should be ashamed because the ice cream he eats goes right to his belly. Should I go on?
by soadtrails on Oct 2, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Babe Ruth ever point to the dirt in front of him
and bunt?
by slapjaw ackrite on Oct 3, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Who knows?
Maybe he did while goofing around with friends, or to psyche out a pitcher. Who can say whether he did or not?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 3, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a good question – is there any footage so we can research?
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 4, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a lot harder to do then point and hit a HR. Everyone will know you are bunting and Ruth was a slow runner.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 5, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Herb Dean . . .
did an excellent job in this fight. Nelson says he hit Kimbo 44 times but the majority of those hits hardly had power. Look how quickly Kimbo got up after the siren. One may argue: why did he stop the fight in the second round in the same position? But with those kind of punches, it’s not detrimental to let the other fighter take the shots for an extended amount of time because they’re hardly damaging and not critical at all.
by Kobajack on Oct 4, 2009 6:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t tell if those punches were dangerous or not, but Herb said since it was the begining (pretty much) of the round and kimbo wasn’t improving his position, he would be exposed to unanswered shots for too long.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Oct 5, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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