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Neither Kimbo Slice Nor Roy Nelson Impress in the "Biggest Fight in Ultimate Fighter History"

Kimbo-slice_mediumWhatever rating tonight's episode of The Ultimate Fighter does, it's a credit to the UFC marketing machine.  They made people believe Kimbo had a shot tonight.  They made people believe this was an event.  Rashad told us Kimbo impressed him.  Dana White told us Kimbo impressed him.  He's coming back in December, haven't you heard?

From the beginning, Kimbo looked bad.  He was extremely slow, moved gingerly, and left his chin wide open.  He put his whole body into every jab, and frankly fought scared.  Once he went down, he showed virtually no improvement from the last time we saw him on his back against James Thompson.  Admittedly, Roy Nelson is on a different level from James Thompson on the ground, to say the least, but Kimbo showed me no reason to believe he will one day be able to compete in the UFC.  I should note that his takedown defense was improved, but it obviously was nowhere near improved enough.

I suppose the more surprising part was Roy Nelson.  He didn't look particularly good either, and was shockingly gassed by the middle of the second round.  I'm not quite sure how to describe his attitude...his arrogance is very off-putting considering his performance.  He's quite good on the ground, as we all knew, but everything about his performance tonight suggested to me that he will be dusted by the likes of Brock Lesnar, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin, Junior Dos Santos, and others.

There have been rumors for days about putting Kimbo against a standup fighter in December to give him a chance to get a knockout.  Maybe it will work.  But Kimbo will never be a competitive UFC fighter; he's too old to catch up in the wrestling and jiu-jitsu departments.

I hate writing this, because Kimbo is so easy to like.  I want him to be good.  If he was a great fighter, he could be such a massive crossover star.  But we're yet to find that star that is both a great fighter and a media icon.  Perhaps that day will come, but for now, the search continues.

As far as Kimbo's future goes, I suspect what we'll see is a career of fighting in hand-picked fights against mid level strikers to make sure something like this doesn't happen again.  Don't be surprised if we see Kimbo Slice vs. Houston Alexander in the UFC soon.

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"dusted"

one of my favorite verbs, haven’t seen it used in a long time.
Also do you think Kimbo would beat Houston?

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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No idea—my guess is Houston’s striking and muay thai game is too much for Kimbo.

by Michael Rome on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about

Kimbo vs. Marvin Eastman

Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo

by ANance on Oct 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

diff wieght classes…i just remembered lol

Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo

by ANance on Oct 1, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo/Houston

Kimbo’s much bigger than Houston and although Houston can bang for sure, he can also can be knocked out. Personally I think Houston is tailor made for Kimbo, he walks straight ahead (unlike Anderson Silva who comes at you from an angle) and as you saw with James Irvin, that can be bad news.

by sonnyboy1 on Oct 1, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While they are both standup oriented fighters, they are very different in how they go about things. Houston prefers to fight from the clinch with knees and uppercuts whereas Kimbo prefers to stand at a distance and box.

IMO, whoever controls the distance in that fight wins. If Kimbo can fend off the clinch, he’ll eventually find Houston’s weak chin, but if Houston can turn the fight into a hockey brawl he’ll wreck Kimbo with superior dirty boxing and knees.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d take Houston up to -300 in that fight.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Houston would beat Kimbo. But I would love to see that matchup.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Oct 1, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice post

You put much better than I did what I found disappointing about the fight.

by BTastros on Oct 1, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This was a technical fight.

Roy came in with a game plan.

Neutralized for formidable one-sided opponent with only a stand-up game and took almost no damage.

Back in 1993, this was jiu jitsu versus everything. This was classic Royce Gracie.
In 2009, it is boring because we EXPECT more from UFC, MMA, and TUF fighters, but Roy knew that Kimbo had nothing to offer on the ground.

This is how we roll.

by dohfil on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back in 1993, the ‘intelligent defense’ rule did not exist.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one thing

I wouldn’t be so hard on Nelson — Kimbo hits pretty hard and I think Nelson handled him quite well.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy took a couple of shots to the belly, too. Might have taken a bit of steam outta the old engine.

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by a tommy point on Oct 1, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kimbo doesn’t hit pretty hard though

by yngjzy on Oct 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pfft

why the egregious “be fat”?
Nelson assumed dominant position and did enough to win the fight. going balls out for a submission is unnecessarily risky.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boom

As usual, you get it Nate.

by dohfil on Oct 1, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think people were expecting a quick and easy victory for Nelson. The fact that he didn’t achieve one is making people be more critical of his performance. And Nelson did have the significant edge in experience and skill, so it’s not an unreasonable expectation.

by Andy R on Oct 1, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo Hits Hard? This is a perfect example of people saying and hearing something so many times that it becomes “truth” and reality goes ignored. This “he’s a hard puncher” and he’s a “stand up fighter” myth is ridiculous.

NO he’s not a hard puncher… Kimbo couldn’t knock out the glass jaw of Thompson with a gazilion punches.

NO he’s not a stand up fighter… he couldnt stay on his feet 30 seconds against a mid level kick boxer.

He’s a cartoon who’ll be fast tracked to the “senior citizen” circuit. He’ll drop down to 205 and make for good paydays for guys like Chuck, Franklin, etc.. as their reflexes go Novelty fights come.

by mmalogic on Oct 1, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I was just about to post the same thing and you beat me to it. Let me just add that everyone seems to base his “hitting hard” meme on the fact that he knocked out Tank Abbot and Bo Cantrell within 30 sec. Let me just remind everyone it was Tank Abbot and Bo Cantrell. Bo had lasted a TOTAL of 3:23 sec in last 5 fights and Tank had already been KOed in his previous two fights.

Kimbo is the modern version of Toro Moreno from “The Harder They Fall”.

by nottheface on Oct 1, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO he’s not a hard puncher… Kimbo couldn’t knock out the glass jaw of Thompson with a gazilion punches.

This is what I have been saying ever since that fight.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Oct 1, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd never thought I'd say this, but...

I actually completely agree with you. Thumbs up!

by timetosaygoodbye on Oct 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see you take some of Kimbo's punches

Kimbo hits harder than Roy and harder than you want to eat for no reason.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

Nelson’s arrogance is really off-putting.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Oct 1, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s not really surprising though. Experience-wise he is so far ahead of anyone else that has been on the show, he really shouldn’t be there. I mean he has lost a match partly due to bad refereeing against ex-UFC champ for fucks sake.

by brad23 on Oct 1, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

couldn't disagree more

kimbo has problems with larger guys obviously once he is on the ground. i think he could be a serious force at 205 if he could make that weight. he would be a huge LHW and i think this post is way off.

by kamachi on Oct 1, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How is the post way off? Kimbo is old and a one-dimensional striker, those are the facts. If he can’t compete at HW how will he be more competitive at LHW with the more well-rounded fighters there? Just because he’ll be bigger than a lot of them doesn’t mean he could beat them.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got to agree with you on that one. I just don’t know where they go from here with Kimbo. I mean even if he comes in to save the day next week, the question will always remain : Does Kimbo have what it takes to carve out a solid career for himself in the UFC?

Judging from what I saw tonight, I just don’t see it.

by BNTHIS on Oct 1, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right, he doesn’t, but he could make a few exciting fights if they make the right matchups.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean kind of like those….Special Attraction type fights, right?

by BNTHIS on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo v. DMX!!!

What a Fashion Don’t! That’s like your dick wearing socks with sandals.

by nandez44 on Oct 1, 2009 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

finally someone is talkng some sense

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"

by crinow on Oct 1, 2009 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he can’t compete at HW how will he be more competitive at LHW with the more well-rounded fighters there?

Just to play Devil’s advocate, Kimbo’s size advantage would definitely make him more difficult to take down and it’s not like the LHW division is overflowing with grapplers. Almost everyone in that division prefers to stand & bang, even if they have a great wrestling/BJJ pedigree.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think hes way too slow to compete at 205. Also Nelson’s size wasn’t the reason Kimbo had trouble with him on the ground. Kimbo’s legs and hips stayed glued to the ground pretty much the entire time Nelson was in side control. It would have been easier to escape had Roy been smaller but B.J. Penn could have kept Kimbo down if that’s what he does from his back.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Roy’s size definitely played a part in that first round takedown. Kimbo couldn’t shake the big man who had a 35 pound weight advantage, but he might have been able to shake a LHW who was at a 10-15 pound weight disadvantage.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I saw was Roy making “I’m hungry/I’m fat” jokes. Did I miss something else where he acted more arrogant than that?

He did exactly what he needed to do. It was his first fight – why throw hard punches and risk a fracture when he could just have his way with Kimbo on the ground and pepper him with light punches?

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy has been arrogant since the show began, Rashad and the other coaches have been criticizing him since day one.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's because he trains alone at his house.

They talked about it in tonight’s episode. Roy trains at his house. He doesn’t have a team.

Rashad and his coaches knew they had to gain his trust for him to learn from them and they did.

Roy’s arrogance, self deprecating fat guy jokes, etc. is a mask. He’s got no one else.

by dohfil on Oct 1, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how?

I usually skip the house stuff since I don’t care.

And Rashad has about as much of a right to criticize arrogance as Kimbo has a right to criticize ground skills.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Oct 1, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he coaches criticized him on day one but I didn’t see much else other than that initial meeting. Who really knows when they condense a week into thirty minutes. Editers and producers can make you look anyway they want under those conditions.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the first episode my girlfriend has watched, and immediately she said she disliked Nelson for being a jerk.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, exact same scenario at my house. I believe her exact words were “he just seems like a dick”. I had to remind her that fighter bashing isn’t allowed.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 8:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The Plan for Kimbo
Don’t be surprised if we see Kimbo Slice vs. Houston Alexander in the UFC soon.

This idea is catching on, I see.

I’ve been saying, pretty much since the announcement of Kimbo joining the cast of TUF 10 that they need to put him in two fights, regardless of the outcome of the first:

1. Kimbo v. Houston Alexander
2. Kimbo v. Chuck Liddell

The latter is obvious. Unless you are allergic to money, you make that fight. The former, as a third-from-the-top match would be a large drawing card based on Kimbo alone, but the potential for an explosive knockout in that matchup, where both guys have an extremely limited skillset focused entirely on landing one enormous punch is, for me, as intriguing a matchup as is available in MMA today. Plus, aesthetically, it’s two jacked up dudes battling it out, which is less of a big deal, but it’s an easier sell than Kimbo versus, for example, a guy whose so fat that he’s got Bantamweights orbiting him.

There’s evidence to support the Alexander fight mounting already. First of all, it’s the obvious match to make for all the reasons I’ve just explained. Second of all, Houston Alexander is rumored to be on the TUF 10 finale card. Third of all, Kimbo, as recently as yesterday, expressed his willingness to drop to 205lbs., but that might be necessary because…Fourth, Houston Alexander has fought at Heavyweight prior to his run in the UFC as well as in his most recent match, in which he defeated Sherman Pendergarst.

So while I’ve been busy promoting this match as an absolute lock elsewhere (on a site Michael Rome also visits), I’m glad to see the idea is spreading to a larger audience. The more folks who express an interest in the fight, the more likely it is to take place, and the more of a genius I appear to be.

Tell your friends: Kimbo v. Houston, then Kimbo v. Chuck.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They are going to give Kimbo to Chuck after he gets KO’d by Houston?

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you are allergic to money, you make that fight.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if Kimbo KO’s Chuck?

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"

by crinow on Oct 1, 2009 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we really need to worry about that occurring....

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Oct 1, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone was sure that Chuck would clobber Jardine.

Everyone was sure that Chuck would knock Rashad’s block off.

Everyone was sure that Chuck would smash Shogun.

The only thing we can be sure of in this sport is that we can’t be sure of anything. That’s right, that’s some profound shit right there. You should probably put it as your signature it’s so amazing.

Bullshit aside, that’s not to say I think Kimbo wins that fight either, but I’m not writing him off entirely at this point in Chuck’s career. Unless they have a dance off, in which case Kimbo is in trouble.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we definitely have to worry about that happening.

Chuck has never had good striking defense. He has always been a ‘take two to give one’ kind of striker, and that was never a problem when he had an iron chin and a sledgehammer right hand. But now, it appears his chin is kaput and his right hand is no longer money in the bank.

I could definitely see a scenario where Kimbo knocks Chuck out cold.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Kimbo KO’s Chuck:

3. Kimbo v. Brock

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kimbo could beat Mcsweeney in the finale

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was expecting a lot less from Kimbo actually. On the standup, he looked decent and more patient than I have seen him before, but of course he still needs work there. Kimbo’s ground game is atrocious though. Comparing Kimbo to McSweeney though, I am even less impressed from McSweeney than I am with Kimbo especially since McSweeney is the number one pick and trains at Greg Jackson’s. I’ll have to see every other TUF 10 participant, but Kimbo seems like he is in the middle of the pack within this season of fighters.

by chrisbboy82 on Oct 1, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think McSweeny is going to be busy getting brutalized by Schoonover, unless of course ‘Titties’ makes it to the final two.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I was laughing at all the hype it was getting but it was fun to watch everyone go crazy.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 1, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And the awesome part is that far more people will have watched and cared about it then the last 10 Strikeforce shows combined!!

by GoldenOldie on Oct 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

EliteXC can still hold the claim of having the most watched fight with Kimbo.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 1, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until these ratings come out

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup, that has nothing to do with Strikeforce. Nice try?

by GoldenOldie on Oct 1, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is kind of sad. We all went nuts to watch Kimbo, yet how few of us went out of their way to check in on Tim Kennedy last week – a fighter heads and shoulders above Kimbo in skill, potential, and background story.

by nottheface on Oct 1, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kimbo's striking/boxing

I think we won’t see too much more of him.
His striking seems to come from pure boxing, and even that is incomplete. He throws a left jab, until he finds range for the big riht hand, after that, he is out of ideas.
No follow up left hook or anything.
If he can;t get you out of there with his first flurrie, you got him.

by Ricanese on Oct 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was stunned by that one leg kick he threw.

At least he’s trying.

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. THAT was out of nowhere. And it didn’t look awkward. It looked GOOD. So he is at least showing progress but like I said, he has a ways to go.

by BNTHIS on Oct 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was with the girlfriend last night and I was like, what the fuck? She thought he had done something wrong and I explained to her that when you watch a Kimbo fight, you don’t expect leg kicks. At least not from him.

by black dragon on Oct 1, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it landed with a slap rather than a thud.

[/goldy]

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo vs Ken Shamrock :)

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ken would crush him

Here’s how that one goes down…

Ken toe picks Kimbo and knee bars him..The end.

by dohfil on Oct 1, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I was very disappointed with Kimbo’s performance. He has a lot of work to do to even think of competing in the UFC. The problem is that he has very little shelf-life remaining to actually make anything resembling a career in the UFC. The man is 35 and will only have 2-3 good years….

by BNTHIS on Oct 1, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They basically just confirmed Kimbo will be back

They started airing a new commercial, Marcus gets messed up, and Kimbo will probably replace him

by Shaun32887 on Oct 1, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just keeping us interested in my opinion, but i would watch whther kimbo was ever even on the show, but the casual fan will want to see Kimbo. If they bring him back, i believe it will be in the Semi’s, where he can win one and be in the finals

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Marcus Jones will be hurt bad enough where Kimbo will replace him, but i think it is mostly hype to keep viewers for next week who are hoping Kimbo will fight.

by Sliup on Oct 1, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So that's it then, huh?

Just write off Nelson based on a round 2 cruise control win on a reality show?

He’s probably going to have trouble with elite fighters (that’s the crazy thing about elite fighters), but I think that he can compete with a lot of HW’s in the UFC. Luckily they still fight em…

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You think he could take down Kongo?

by BNTHIS on Oct 1, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get KTFO before he had a chance

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol well I’m convinced.

This shirt is "dry clean only", which means it's dirty.

by SamCupitt on Oct 1, 2009 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he would, Kongo put some good shots on Velasquez before he took him down and I think Cain’s wrestling may be a wee bit better than Kevin’s.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 8:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Roy is smart.

He’s been stating in interviews recently that he knew that this was a tournament and did not want to hurt himself before the end—break his hands, take the least damage to fight another fight within a few weeks, etc.

Roy’s got the juice and can turn it up when he needs it. This is why he is a veteran.

What is off-putting is that he knows that he is good. Most other TUF alum go balls to the walls and have nothing to lose. Roy’s a little smarter than that and has skills to offset coasting through the prelims.

As for Kimbo, you’re spot on.

by dohfil on Oct 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

No need to risk breaking a hand on that skull when light punches will work.

by Shaun32887 on Oct 1, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nelson also has a lot to lose

He’s more or less a proven commodity that had to go through the reality show—among a cast of relative novices—to get a whiff of the UFC. Whether he will be able to complete at the UFC level still remains to be seen, but if he drops a few fights the whole endeavor will quickly prove to be a nonstarter, and it could be very difficult for him to make his way back.

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So in other words...

He has GOT to have either a good showing or win the whole thing to even get Dana to notice him….

by BNTHIS on Oct 1, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He obviously wants to win the whole thing, for a guy ranked 20th in the world anything less would look bad. Roy losing on TUF would be a killer for his career because he is really a ringer stuck on the show, that has to put some real pressure on him.

by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sad part...

Dana fucking hate big old fat, lazy, arrogant Roy.

Dana can only see the cash cow in Kimbol instead of breaking the athletic image that he’s created for the UFC in the past 6 years.

Roy hurts the UFC image.

Personally, I like Roy. He’s like the rest of us that train, but don’t compete and are not UFC material. Roy is a BJJ Black Belt and I have mad props for his skills on the ground and handling himself on his feet.

How Dana is treating Roy kind of sucks.

Roy is being pretty big about it though. He’s there to win fights. Catch that? Win fights.
Dana wants him to win impressively and maintain the corporate image.

by dohfil on Oct 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis Lutter Won This

Tune in this friday to see him face Jason MacDonald at MFC 22: Not in the UFC!

by asa on Oct 1, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They will jump on the hype train with Roy if he wins the show, heck they have to. The thing is they know he should blow the season away, he’s supposed to be beyond the level of the other guys on the show, if he doesn’t win then his value really sinks. Roy has to do a lot more than these other guys here because Roy isn’t a prospect he is a top 25 fighter.

by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dana's good point

about Roy’s power behind his punches. That it looked like his daughter punching him.

I thought Roy did well. He kept Kimbo under control and controlled the pace. Roy’s dominate position looked great, but those weak punches…. oooh took the wind out of my sails.

I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.

by Thulsa Doom on Oct 1, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn this post reads alot like a logic one!

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana fucking hate big old fat, lazy, arrogant Roy.

What Dana thinks DURING the show is immaterial.

Roy only needs to worry about what Dana thinks of him AFTER the show. If Roy puts on an entertaining war at the finale, Dana will magically forget the fact that he was on cruise control during the quarterfinals and semifinals.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I like Roy. He’s like the rest of us that train, but don’t compete and are not UFC material.

Right. And I will never, ever, in the history of time, want to pay to watch those people fight.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t see where Roy was even winded in the fight, he took a couple of shots in the second round that seemed to stun him a bit but he wasn’t even breathing hard. It seemed to me it was more Roy looking past Kimbo to the next round of the show and just putting in minimal effort (which is honestly all he needed to beat Kimbo). It was a rather easy fight for Roy and probably best for SpikeTV that Roy didn’t bust Kimbo up and put him out of the competition for good with stiches (they are already hyping a possible return to fight for him).

by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

As i said in the other posts,

They gave Dave Kaplan several chances.. I don’t see why they shouldn’t for Kimbo..

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They have already started hyping Kimbo getting another fight, if anyone at all gets hurt you know SpikeTV is going to push them to put Kimbo back in there.

by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they already know if someone's gonna get hurt..

the question is, if there wasn’t one, are will they keep milking the “return of kimbo slice” teet until the show ends?

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until the end (when he fights on the TUF finale), or until somebody actually gets injured—keep in mind Marcus Jones is appearntly already on a shakely knee or something (that “On the next Ultimate Fighter” promo was incredibly vague about his potential malady.)

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought they were giving Kimbo another chance this December?

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Oct 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another chance on the show.

by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are..

but some people don’t think he should get a chance to be in the UFC..

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe put him in with Kongo after a couple wins. At least it won’t go to the ground

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Kongo took down Hardonk and Evenson pretty consistently. He’s definitely worked on that aspect of his game, even if it is still a liability against the better wrestlers in his division.

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kongo will kill him..

Let him fight the Al turk’s or the Neil Wain’s of the UFC first.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al Turk would probably take Kimbo down pretty quickly too, if he could avoid the early punch.

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously. People keep thinking the key is to put him in against guys who wont take him down. The problem is that those guys are all light years ahead of him standing and would crush him in the standup game.

I think he should probably get the loser of Hardonk-Barry butalthough I don’t think he can beat either of those guys.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardonk or Barry? Whoa man, you’re mean.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Oct 1, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they want to give Kimbo a chance to trade on his feet thats the perfect set-up. Personally I’d use Kimbo to build Barry.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardonk has a solid ground game. He’d take Kimbo out with ease, too big and too skilled (which isn’t saying a lot). And Barry would put Kimbo in the operating room to have his other knee surgically repaired.

There’s gotta be someone else he can fight.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Oct 1, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring back the Manic Hispanic, Dan Evenson, & Colin Robinson. Those are the caliber of guys Kimbo would need to face to even have a chance at winning.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the problem, I’m not really interested in TUF level fights taking up PPV spots and thats what happens if you throw those guys in there with Kimbo.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure SpikeTV wants Kimbo all to themselves.

Dana would have a serious fight on his hands if he tried to use Kimbo on PPVs rather than UFNs.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he’ll probably be a permanent fixture on spike.

How many people have ever paid to see Kimbo fight? He does good numbers on youtube and on free tv, but I’m not sure how much of that will translate into PPV money.

by Phildo on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Struve is at least interesting, although if the fight gets anywhere near the ground Kimbo might as well just tap immediately.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Oct 1, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s true, some people are idiots.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

false promotion

I think they meant to say “The Fattest Fight in Ultimate Fighter History”

I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.

by Thulsa Doom on Oct 1, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are people always trying to slight the Great Ferrozzo?

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Oct 1, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or slight the amazing kicking power of Butterbean. Ohh yeah he’s got skills

I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.

by Thulsa Doom on Oct 1, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The high kick heard round the world.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Oct 1, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy cow

since when did Butterbean turn into Bastion Booger?!

by TJ3117 on Oct 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

falcon kick....

"I' Always Look Tired, I Play Possum" - Mark "The Hammer" Coleman

by awesome21 on Oct 1, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU!

You clearly left a few zeroes off that screen name.

by asa on Oct 1, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo

First let me say I’m a powerlifter, not a UFC fighter..but I know enough about fighting to know that the top guys do their moves by instinct, not by having to ‘think’ about them. When you have kids that have been wrestling since high school, then enter the UFC at 21 or 22, they have a terrific ground base on which to build. Add some boxing/muay thai and you have a pretty good fighter. Someone like Kimbo, good as he is in standup, I think is just beyond the point in time when he can just learn his ground game good enough for it to be ‘instinctinve’ for him. He is likeable and would be a great fighter if only he could get a passable ground game; I just don’t think he can.

by sonnyboy1 on Oct 1, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

from Josh Gross:

They’re talking @MMAAdvertising. And they’re saying Kimbo stinks after losing to a guy w/pink hair and the dude w/the gut. He gets 1 chance.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He means they’re talking about Kimbo – it’s press, it’s publicity, it’s potential viewers.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 1, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post! Couldnt have sayd it better myself. I was all excited to see the fight tonite but after watching the show I realized I had been fooled by the hype machine.

by beerdo on Oct 1, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nelson is 265 wow talk about a difference in body types. What i got from this was these was the two biggest additions to the HW class and neither one of them looked like they would last past the first against the champ.

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 1, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

most of the HW division won’t last the first round against the champion… and the same goes for every other division..

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doing research and writing deserves a rec.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A mistake. Obviously Patrick Cote did not go to a decision with Anderson Silva. The match ended in the third round when Silva used his psychokinesis to destroy Cote’s knee.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now hang on a second

Those are title fights, generally between two high level competitors. I’m confident that the original assertion was that most of a division wouldn’t last a round a champion. This is an arguable statement in and of itself, but your statistical evidence hardly address it all.

"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya

by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

He said “most of the HW division”, do you think guys like Al-Turk or Struve would make it out of the first with BROCKLESNAR? Because I don’t.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 1, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fight was sorta lame, but hey, there’s more important things in life like…

THE LEAFS ARE BACK TOMORROW AND WILL TAKE ON THE MONTREAL CANADIENS FUCK YOU MONTREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep firing Assholes!

The Leafs are back!

by Ubernoober on Oct 1, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven’t been this excited to see a Leafs season opener in a few years. Tonight at 7. Can’t wait!

by timetosaygoodbye on Oct 1, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me, it was a matter of wanting Kimbo to succeed, more than believing in the UFC hype machine. I always figured Roy would win. I have to admit, it’s hard not to root for Kimbo, cause I genuinely like the dude. I still wanted Roy to win, but I was pulling for Kimbo to put on a great fight. The only time Kimbo looked okay was when he came out in the second and hit Roy a couple of times. He looked like he wanted it then, but too little too late. I would like to see him drop down to LHW, because I’d like to see how his punching power would be like at that weight.

Kimbo is ten years too late to the MMA game. It’s a shame.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Oct 1, 2009 2:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Nelson and arrogance...

Neither guy was impressive, but Roy Nelson says he wasn’t trying to be:

Roy Nelson: “I like to put myself in the same category as Babe Ruth.”

Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
http://mma.usatoday.com

by Sergio Non on Oct 1, 2009 4:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy preempted this before the fight by saying “his strategy was to take the least amount of damage so he could move on to the next rounds unscathed”… apparently that also meant his fists.

by mmalogic on Oct 1, 2009 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

:(

Apparently he didn’t even want to scathe his elbows either.

by asa on Oct 1, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo v Ray Mercer!

by ryanwk628 on Oct 1, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That happened. Kimbo choked him out inside of a minute.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo > Mercer > Sylvia > Arlovski > Nelson

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to hate MMA math, but at this moment, I love it.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever....

these dudes all suck.
no cardo.
no standup.
no ground defense.
no appearance of actually wanting to FIGHT.
they look good in training, (barely), get in the cage, and …..
suck.

by blam!thud... on Oct 1, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nelson, Schoonover, & Schaub are all legit.

Wren & Madsen are solid prospects due to their wrestling skills.

Sims, Wessel, & Junk are all decent veterans, as evidenced by the fact they made it the UFC already without TUF.

Demecio Rogers is supposedly incredibly talented, but he needs a LOT of technique work.

Everyone else … yeah, they are pretty much garbage.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....

cardo is swahili for gas.

by blam!thud... on Oct 1, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rampage

… another great coaching display from Rampage. More repeated calls to “get up” or “don’t let him do that.” On the other side of the cage you hear Rashad’s crew specifically telling Roy what strikes to throw when they’re available, where to swing legs over, etc. Rashad’s crew specifically talked to Roy before the fight about clinching, taking Kimbo down, getting the crucifix, and then just landing unanswered shots until it’s stopped. Exactly what he did.

I almost think it’s starting to border on criminal that Rampage’s team has to continue in this thing with no coaching at all while Rashad’s team gets the likes of Greg Jackson and his camp to prepare them and actually offer up some helpful thoughts during fights. I guess it’s nice for Rampage’s team that he can make a lot of fat jokes and shave his hair to look like Kimbo, but I’m not sure how that’s going to help them win a single fight this season.

Every weekly episode makes me even more perfectly fine with Rampage not returning to the Octagon. I’m becoming more and more puzzled what anyone even finds likable about the guy anymore. Hope he enjoys his “acting” career.

On the actual fight — yeah, neither guy looked great. I thought we saw a few things out of Kimbo that showed a little promise — some patience, the attempted leg kick, some decent sprawl for a little bit, a nice try to reverse using the cage for leverage. But in the end, he mostly laid there without using his legs at all to try to get out of that crucifix; in his defense, I’m not sure that shrimping would even help with somebody as big as Nelson in that position. Nelson didn’t show anything flashy, but he did go out and do exactly, almost word for word, what he said he was going to do before the fight. All the way down to just tapping Kimbo on the top of the head repeatedly — he even said before that it doesn’t matter if you’re hitting hard or just tapping, because if you count ‘em out the ref has to conclude the other guy isn’t defending himself. I think that’s bull and think Dean was perfectly right to let the first round end because Nelson, while controlling position and “striking” wasn’t doing anything to constitute any damage or danger at all, but whatever.

Finally, I was looking forward to seeing Nelson on TUF this year. Now I’m looking forward to somebody knocking him out and seeing if he still feels like “the king” afterward.

by Kierkegaard on Oct 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine want to get onto TUF, then finding out you could either be on the team with all the guys from Greg Jackson’s camp or the team with Rampage, Tiki Ghosn and Hector Ramirez, then ending up on the latter?

So close, yet so far.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*wanting

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 1, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Rashad should pulled a BJ Penn and asked everyone who wanted to be on his team to raise their hands. I’m pretty sure Kimbo and the class clown (Sims) were the only two guys who wanted to be on Rampage’s team.

by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say Roy was "shockngly gassed by the middle of the second round"

Except the fight never saw the middle of the second round. By the middle of the second round Roy was making cracks about Burger King to Dana.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 1, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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