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Bloody Elbow January MMA Meta-Rankings: Middleweight

Fighter PointsPromotionLast Rank
1. Anderson Silva 500
UFC 1
2. Yushin Okami 428
UFC 3
3. Robbie Lawler 410
???
4
3. Dan Henderson 410
UFC
2
5. Nathan Marquardt 386
UFC 5
6. Gegard Mousasi 379
DREAM 6
7. Matt Lindland 283
Affliction 9
8. Rich Franklin 253
UFC 8
9. Jorge Santiago 251
WVR/Strikeforce 17
10. Thales Leites 228
UFC
14
11. Paulo Filho 217 Bellator
7
12. Michael Bisping 190
UFC 16
13. Chael Sonnen 187
UFC 15
14. Yoshihiro Akiyama 184
DREAM 11
15. Kazuo Misaki 176
WVR/Strikeforce 10
16. Demian Maia 173 UFC 13
17. Frank Trigg 168 WVR/Strikeforce 12
18. Patrick Cote 131 UFC 18
19. Ronaldo Souza 126 DREAM 19
20. Martin Kampmann 81
UFC 20
21. Denis Kang 71
UFC 23
22. Wilson Gouveia 66
UFC
NR
23. Cung Le 64
Strikeforce
22
24. Melvin Manhoef 62
K-1
30
24. Jason Miller 62
DREAM 21

Commentary by Kid Nate: This whole division is basically on hold. #1 Anderson Silva is supposedly signed to fight #10 Thales Leites at UFC 97 but most seem to view that as an afterthought to the more interesting chatter about what 205lb fights Anderson may eventually sign. It would be pretty ironic if Leites goes ahead and pulls out the submission win.

Meanwhile #2 Yushin Okami continues to creep up the rankings and has been promised a title shot by Dana White even after his three round snoozer against #41 Dean Lister at UFC 92.

#3 Dan Henderson and #8 Rich Franklin are headlining UFC 93 but at 205lbs instead of 185. Compounding the confusion, the winner will move back down to middleweight to coach The Ultimate Fighter opposite #12 Michael Bisping. Franklin has been pretty vocal about not viewing that as much of an incentive. I don't blame him since it was the UFC's idea for him to move up to Light Heavy in the first place.

#3 Robbie Lawler is trapped in  EliteXC limbo. At least Dana White is making noises about being interested in bringing Lawler back to the UFC when all that mess gets resolved.

#5 Nathan Marquardt is set to take on former Light Heavyweight #22 Wilson Gouveia at UFC 95. Nate's got to overcome a lot of hurdles to get a rematch for the title. Blowing his fight against Leites cost him a title shot.

#6 Gegard Mousasi impressed in his K-1 rules debut on NYE but I still view that as a waste of his time. Will be interesting to see what the K-1/DREAM organization decides to do in 2009.

#7 Matt Lindland is scheduled to face #26 Vitor Belfort on the 24th if that show actually takes place. Cross your fingers fight fans.

And saving the best news for last #9 Jorge Santiago wrapped up a great 2009 by finishing #15 Kazuo Misaki and taking the Sengoku middleweight title. Here's hoping Santiago returns to Strikeforce or maybe even the UFC sometime soon.

NOTE: The Meta-Rankings are not the subjective opinion of the BloodyElbow team, but rather a compilation of the rankings of over twenty leading MMA web sites. It is our opinion that these are the most informative MMA rankings anywhere.

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Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.

The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.

Be sure and look at the points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking.

25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Fuller explanation below.

Rankings were compiled from the following sites: 

The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix  is here:

The "normalization number" (new name) would be:

120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)

Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.

The "normalization" number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.

So the process would be:

Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16

Figure out that normalization variable.

Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.

Do your totals and rank.

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strong lulz at starnes getting a vote

by dbcb on Jan 8, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

your meta-rankings are the best on the net. they are not perfect (lawler at #3) but they are still the best imo.

by bdw on Jan 8, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kalib Starnes..

We had him at #84. I’m not sure how we are recorded as having him at #25.

by JCS_FM on Jan 8, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a copy/paste error. I’ll fix it.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 8, 2009 6:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why isn’t Lawler at #4 as a result of not being affiliated with any currently operating promotion. Why isn’t Marquardt at the #4 if we must have two #3s? Rankings are so confusing. I don’t know how you have the patience for this stuff.

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by Warhand on Jan 8, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lawler isn’t 4 because he’s tied with number 3.

Marquardt isn’t 4 because than there’d be 26 people in the top 25.

by Phildo on Jan 8, 2009 7:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

since 2004…

L- Diaz TKO
L- Tanner Sub
W- Vitale
W- Brown
W- Vitale
L- Miller Sub
W- Villasenor
W- Pamplona
W- Trigg KO
W- Rua
NC- Smith
W- Smith

  1. in the world????

by dbcb on Jan 8, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

number 3 in the world???

by dbcb on Jan 8, 2009 2:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there are a number of factors, but the biggest one is that Lawler had a big stage to play on at Elite XC and came through with KO wins. His win over Trigg at a time when Trigg was riding high set the stage.

by Kid Nate on Jan 8, 2009 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UFC needs to sign Lawler, Mousasi, Lindland and Santiago. I can dream can’t I?

by Nick Thomas on Jan 8, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Franklin

Rich Franklin is an interesting anomaly in the rankings. He’s only ranked at MW by about half the sites — which makes sense since the UFC moved him to LHW, but then again if he beats Hendo he’ll probably be coaching TUF and fighting Bisping at MW — but the sites that do rank him as a MW still have him as a pretty consensus #2 or #3. That’s an interesting twist to me — he’s either #2 or #3 on the one hand or not ranked at all on the other hand.

…. also, what’s with so many sites not recognizing Maia at all?

by Kierkegaard on Jan 8, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And saving the best for last #9 Jorge Santiago wrapped up a great 2009 by finishing #15 Kazuo Misaki

uh… huh?

by Discman2 on Jan 8, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I added a word: news — this was the only actual in-ring development of the last month. The rest was all just posturing.

by Kid Nate on Jan 8, 2009 2:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a shot at any particular ranking site

but how in the hell is Bisping ranked that high? How in the hell is Paulo Filho still ranked that high?

Why Cote below some of those people?

Alot of questionable rankings in the middle of the Middle Weight division.

by Razreshat on Jan 8, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think, where rankings are concerned, the placements (not in the metas, but in the individual rankings), are greatly influenced by TV (Lawler), UFC pushing them (Bisping) and upcoming or recent fights.

Like him or not, Filho has still only lost once and frankly, I’m surprised he isn’t higher.

I think Lawler is the most grossly over-ranked and I would pick him to lose to about any of the other top 10-12 guys.

Unfortunately, rankings are rarely scientific and usually easily influenced by individuals emotions.

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by BJJDenver on Jan 8, 2009 3:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is why the mathmatical rankings are probably a bit more stable if most of the guys are being pushed top 10 by overall hype and TV presence.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 8, 2009 3:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why shouldn’t Bisping be ranked that high, exactly? He beat Leben and Day convincingly in his last two fights, and they’re both quality fighters.

Who deserves it more? Akiyama’s got the win over Kang, but Kang’s biggest win is over Ninja. Misaki loses every time he fights a quality ground fighter. Maia is great, but his win column isn’t anything special either. Trigg keeps fighting nobodies.

It might be a bit of an overranking, but Bisping certainly deserves to be around the top 15.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 8, 2009 4:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Santiago is the only guy getting clearly overlooked by the guys ranking Bisping at 10, and even Santiago has some big question marks. Wasn’t that long ago he was getting KO’d by Leben and Belcher.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 8, 2009 4:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lindland

Its incredible that he’s at #7

by JCS_FM on Jan 8, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Shameful” is the word I’d use in place of incredible. And in the case of MMAWeekly, “fucking embarrassing.”

by Michaelthebox on Jan 8, 2009 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why? Who are the middleweights who’d beat Lindland besides Silva and Lawler ?

by tylerdurden1 on Jan 8, 2009 8:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t know. Thats because I don’t know how good he is. I don’t know how good he is, because he hasn’t beaten a quality opponent in almost three years.

Rankings are supposed to be at least somewhat based on results. Lindland hasn’t produced results in a long, long time.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 8, 2009 9:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a hard time with Lawler being ranked so high.

by HEELHOOK on Jan 8, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

aside from my personal belief that Marquardt isn't a top 10

MW

The only real flaw is that Jacare, Kang and Manhoef are THAT low… Thats a joke. Jacare and Manhoef are more dangerous than 95% of the guys on here. Kang is more well rounded than all but a few but has had a couple hard losses. Akiyama, Mousasi (not so bad in retrospect) and a split decision to Misaki who is a great point fighter.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 8, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I mean, I can see knocking Manhoef down a bit until he shows some semblance of a ground game…

But c’mon. He knocked out Mark Hunt. In 18 seconds. On one day’s notice. Fuck.

And I’m a notorious Kang mark, so of course I think you’re dead on with him.

Could be a slow changing of the guard in the middle weight division if some of these guys put a run together.

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by AJB on Jan 8, 2009 10:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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