Freddie Roach Predicts Andrei Arlovski Will KO Fedor Emelianenko
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MMAWeekly has an interview with Freddie Roach about his thoughts on the Andrei Arlovski and Fedor Emelianenko fight:
"As far as his stand up game, we’ll kill him," says Roach. "If we can keep the fight standing up, if he chooses to fight us like a man, we’ll dominate him."
"From what I can see, I think Andrei’s going to be sharper," he says. "I think we’re going to knock him out."
About Fedor's looks:
"If I saw him in the street, I wouldn’t be scared of him," he says with another smile. "But I’d be wrong."
On how to use Fedor's habits against him:
"Just be smart with it," he says. "Use your angles when they’re necessary, but after you land a combination, because after you land a combination with Fedor, he’s going to throw back. That’s his instinct. He throws one punch after the other. He’s very predictable. He makes the same moves every time. He’s very common. His boxing game is weak."
It is also interesting to mention Arlovski's sparring parnter:
Arlovski tells Freddie he’ll be back in six hours for sparring, when UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva is supposed to show up.
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" If I saw him in the street I wouldn’t be scared of him" “But I’d be wrong.” lol So true.
I didn’t think there was anything unusual about his comments. The whole “if he fights us like a man” bullshit is just the fact Arlovski’s camp wants to keep it on the feet. No secret.
I can’t wait for January 24th will be a great fight and event.
Upset pick Sokoudjou over Babalu.
i think its a weak ploy to bait fedor to try and stand up with AA..
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it is but Roach is use to dealing with some shall we say weak minded boxers where shit like challenging their man hood works.
It’s also obvious that Roach doesn’t know a lot about Fedor other than breaking down his stand up on film.
by tylerdurden1 on Jan 7, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
If he is sincere in what he is saying he is very dumb for even saying it…
Everyone respects what roach has to say… this will only make fedor look for the take down even more.
On the ground Arlovski is dead.
Unless Roach wants fedor to try harder for the takedown for some reason?
Tough to say, but if you watch the Arlovski 360: Episode 3 video a few posts down they focus on world-class wrestling training as well. Perhaps the idea is to prove Fedor’s technique on the feet is as flawed as they suggest it is.
It is that flawed and Fedor would find that out within a couple of fights if he stepped into the Octagon.
Cro Cop got taken down and got gassed, but he had plenty of success. Unless Fedor has worked his boxing (doesn’t look that way from the Sylvia fight), he will always have this hole and getting KO’d is just a question of when not if.
Of course it would take a hell of a fighter to fend Fedor off to be able to land that shot, but it is there. Fedor isn’t some sort of ghost nobody can hit, he is a bull that knocks you down before you can get him. The saying that the best defense is a good offense is extremely appropriate in Fedor’s case.
If he is depending only on Roach’s gameplan he is. He is a genius in boxing but Roach doesn’t know MMA, nor does he care to know anything about it.
"He looks pretty effective on the ground from what I can see," Roach says. "He’s really good at the armbar, I guess it’s called. How he gets those guys in the position for an armbar is pretty clever."
Thank you!
I was going to put up that exact quote. In my mind, it renders his other statements completely illegitimate.
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Arlovski's ground game
I’m not sure I agree with people treating Arlovski as if he’s helpless on the ground. Fans consider Arlovski a striker, and in recent fights, nearly a pure boxer, but he was a sambo fighter first. In addition to his sambo background, he has trained BJJ pretty thoroughly, although he’s obviously worked his stand-up much more in recent years.
Does Fedor have a better ground game? Yes. But Fedor is not a grappling wizard along the lines of say a Roger Gracie, and I’d even argue that Pe de Pano with all his grappling credentials has a better ground game than Fedor. I think we can all remember how Arlovski KO’d Pe de Pano mid-leglock.
Now obviously, Fedor’s submissions are much better suited for MMA than grappling phenoms like Gracie and Pe De Pano who make the transition to MMA later on. But if you look at the 15 fighters Fedor has submitted, none of them are competent grapplers except for Matt Lindland, Kevin Randleman, and Mark Coleman, and those three are are wrestlers, not BJJ artists.
Call me crazy, but I think Arlovski’s ground skills are sufficient enough to not get him submitted by Fedor. I do think Fedor can control Andrei on the ground if he can get him down,and he could definitely pound him out if he gets a dominant position, but I’m just not sure if I can see Fedor submitting Arlovski too easily.
The question is whether Arlovski is concentrating too hard on the boxing side, Fedor is pretty well rounded and I’m sure he knows just like everyone else that Arlovski has been working on his boxing. Arlovski had some real problems with Roy Nelson on the ground, he better be putting the time and game planning into that part of his game too.
thats also what i was thinking..
Is he working enough on his ground game or is he just focusing on his standup? Yes, he is better standing but focusing too much time on that and not on his ground game really is a risky thing to do. Especially against a guy, err machine, like fedor..
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
You gotta look for an advantage somewhere. Fedor’s not necessarily a guy who you see shooting doubles from well outside too often either.
yup. I think its good that he’s elevating his striking this way, but i just hope he’s not completely neglecting his ground game.
I hope roach is right and AA wins this one..
wait… what if AA wins, and then comes back to the UFC? what happens to the wamma championship?
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
If Arlovski is serious about beginning a career in boxing (and by all accounts he is), then he probably won’t return to the UFC for some time.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
it was a hypothetical question. I know its unlikely, (because of AA’s boxing career and the krazy russians haha) but what if the winner goes to the UFC? They surely wont promote the wamma belt. What will wamma do then? strip him of the title? or give the belt to the next winner? even if the ufc wont recognize them and allow wamma to earn cash off them?
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I guess we'll see when Fedor goes for it in Abu Dabi
We can speculate all we want, but a good showing at ADCC would surely shoot down some of these notions, just as a quick elimination would buffet them.
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LOL!
Andrei’s skills on the ground being sufficient is a laughable statement, and it can be supporting by his last few bouts easily. Rothwell laid on Arvlovski for about a minute or two during their bout, and was reigning elbows on his chins regularly… Andrei’s answer: Lay there and take it. He didn’t try to get away, he didn’t try to buck Rothwell, he didn’t try anything.
Sure, Rothwell’s a big guy, but trying absolutely nothing against a guy who has pretty much no submissions, but a decent wrestling base is just plain stupid. Nelson, who has some decent jiu-jitsu, didn’t have much success but his weight mattered.
I swear, AA is either the greatest striker in MMA, highly doubtful, or he’s just plain stupid. EVERYONE talks about Fedor’s submissions, and how they weren’t competent grapplers, blah blah blah. That isn’t why Fedor wins at all, it never has been. Fedor subs guys who managed to be powerful and pull out of submissions constantly in other bouts, yet Fedor subs them. Why? Transition speed.
Nearly every damn analyst and fan overlooks transition speed and the mere knowledge that the transition to specific submissions is there. Fedor feeds on that. His speed from guard to armbar is blazing, and I haven’t seen speed like that since Enson Inoue back in the day.
Arlovski vs. Fedor on the ground is a less than one minute bout guaranteed. Roach saying Arlovski should fight like a man is ridiculous, and he’s hoping Fedor does.
To be honest, all of Fedor’s opponents talk about his huge power and speed that you really can’t capture on tape. I hope it catches Arlovski in the face and Roach slips into the shadows and never speaks again. I’m literally sick of hearing these boxing guys say ridiculous crap like this.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 7, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Did he?
I wish they would never have stood that fight up so we could see if AA would’ve gotten out. Its not like he was fully mounted on or anything. Sorry its just the Arlovski fanboy in me. :P
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 7, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
jokers
What’s being overlooked is Fedor’s striking. He will and can hurt Arlovski on the feet. Also what is overrated is Arlovski’s ground work. He clearly held the fence for dear life against Pe De Pano to keep from getting turned and submitted by the knee bar. He was about to be schooled by Roy Nelson before the ref saved his ass.
Fedor get KO’d? I have to see some historical evidence that can be done before I predict that ever happening.
Well, Nog was stopped by Frank Mir, so it’s at least possible that Fedor could get knocked out.
I’d make a joke about him being a cyborg with a crumple-proof jaw and what not, but Khosaka did “stop” him with a cut once upon a time, so I guess that means he’s human.
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Well, elbows were illegal in that fight
And the replay clearly showed that the blow that created the cut was an (unintentional) elbow. The fight should have been a NC. However, you do point out Fedor’s biggest weakness: he gets cut easily.
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The difference is that Nogueira looked like a walking zombie when he entered the arena, and Fedor is coming off what is supposedly a thorough training camp that is focusing on bringing back the nightmare that is the “Last Emperor”. I’m sure his trainers want him to make a statement after losing to the Bulgarian at the Sambo championships.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 7, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Fujita came extremely close with a clubbing right hand haymaker to the side of Fedor’s head. Granted it was a homerun shot, but Arlovski most certainly has the power, precision and technique to stop Fedor cold.
I watched Cro Cop vs. Fedor again today, and Cro Cop landed a left straight on Fedor in the first round that looked to put Fedor on the Fujita skates slightly too.
It's a fight, he's a fighter.
He’s bound to get hit now and then.
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Disagreed..
I still fail to see where Arlovski’s technique is so superior to any striker in MMA. Is Freddie Roach going to make that much of a difference in Arlovski’s constant weakness of being unable to pull the trigger, using feints constantly but not delivering? I don’t think so. He hesistated like crazy in his last two fights, and I think Fedor will just steamroll him if he tries the same. If Arlovski misses on huge blow, he’ll be on the floor.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 7, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
uh fedor by sidemounted kimura round 1.
also have you guys seen the time early on arlovskis career he got KOd? it was some russian small organization and this crazy little dude was doing cartwheels and shit and i guess AA underestimated him. but he was out cold awhile. it’s on youtube. combine that with the sylvia ko and i’m pretty comfortable giving the edge to fedor in chin.
based on roy nelson aa fight, definitely fedor on the ground…and fedor canceled his press tour after the sambo loss to train more.
i know aa has looked good recently against the IFL all-stars but i think fedor would have too but finished them sooner.
i also agree the myth of the iron jaw has been exposed of late w/ nog and hunt crumpling…but really that’s all i can come up with in arlovski’s defense…he might land a big (i’m not calling it lucky) punch.
and aa has also lost his ‘crazy russian’ super powers living in chicago so long…
“also have you guys seen the time early on arlovskis career he got KOd? it was some russian small organization and this crazy little dude was doing cartwheels and shit and i guess AA underestimated him. but he was out cold awhile. it’s on youtube.”
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AA's fight with Nelson
Not trying to make an excuse for Arlovski’s ground game in the fight, but wasn’t that fight taken on short notice?
Yeah it was, but by both parties.
So there really isn’t much excuse there for Nelson being able to pass his guard so easily.
Especially since Andrei was training for Barnett. What was he expecting to happen when Barnett got him down?
by Michaelthebox on Jan 7, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I would almost have to agree, sidemount kimura or armbar.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 7, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
After reading his analysis I am giving Arlovski much more of a chance.
Fedor doesn’t shoot for his takedowns; he rushes in throwing punches, catches his opponent and then clinches when they are off guard.
If Arlovski is quick enough on his feet, a little lateral movement followed by a few hooks and crosses could disrupt Fedors swarm and clinch offensive. With training from Roach his movement should be good, its just a matter of how good. I wouldn’t have ever described Arlovski as sprightly, especially after his showing against Nelson and Rothwell. While he looked good they were two fighters with vastly inferior striking ability.
Still I do believe that Fedor is likely to eventually get him down, ground and pound, and then get the submission. But I have gone from giving Arlovski a 15% to a 25% chance of taking the fight.
Fedor will have AA beat before they even walk into the ring. It’s the aura of Fedor. The mystique. When he comes out last to that ring music..wow… ‘m intimidated and i’m not even fighting.
You’re right… Arlovski can try to convince himself of this and that now as he isnt in the ring yet.
As soon as Arlovski does something and Fedor shuts it down all of that shit changes and you know what happens in Arlovski’s head?
“Maybe I wasnt right, maybe this guy is what everyone thought, maybe I have no chance” and that’s when he’ll lose.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahhahahahahaaha.
good one subo. :)
i get why lots of people like fedor, but some have borderline man crushes on him.
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
The Fedor Fathead would sell like hotcakes just so fans could put lipstick on and leave a fat one on his cheek.
I make fun of a friend of mine for his man crushes on fighters – you literally mention Josh Barnett and he starts smiling. It’s fucking hilarious.
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 7, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
I believe we have yet to see the best fedor…
I believe Fedor is probably the Mentally strongest fighter to ever fight.
He gets better – the closer his opponent gets to beating him and no opponent has ever gotten that close yet.
I believe we will see the best Fedor the day he fights an opponent who is just better than he is – and then he will win by just having more mental strength – using all of his potential.
I wouldn't be surprised
to see AA throw a combo shift outta the way when Fedor goes for the clinch wait for Fedor to throw a combo as he comes in – Then try to catch him with a flying Knee as he trys to body clinch.
Gimme 1 Round!
So basically do everything he can do stay on his feet/off the ground.
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
no flying knees in this fight…
But your right arlovski will use foot work and hands to keep fedor at bay.
If Arlovski can win the stand up and stay away from the clinch then that’s a conceivable way he can win the fight – Fedor is not awesome at taking people down especially with shooting. But he’s darn fast in getting the clinch.
"If we can keep the fight standing up, if he chooses to fight us like a man, we’ll dominate him."
Seriously? Am I the only one who’s offended by this douchebag? I’ve always had respect for Freddie Roache, no questioning his boxing knowledge, but WTF? He’s sitting there implying that ground fighting is not “fighting like a man.”, and I for one just lost a lot of respect for Roachie.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
relax bro.
he’s just trying to bait fedor to stand with him cause he knows thats where AA has the biggest advantage..
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
No, I get what he's doing
I’m just offended that that is the way he REALLY feels! I really think Roachie feels that you’re not fighting like a man unless you’re standing up throwing punches. And it pisses me off because it’s one of the main reason’s it’s taking so long for MMA to become more mainstream. The taboo of groundfighting as being “dirty” has set us back so far, and Roachie’s over here perpetuating that school of thought, still!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
I would say that it's cool that he's training MMA athletes...
But he’s only doing it because it’s A) more money in his own pocket B) another addition to his resume and C) he’s trying to get the MMA fighters to switch to boxing!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
youre really putting too much meaning on what he said man. relax. He just said the fight like a man to piss fedor off. he isnt belittling the ground game.. he doesnt have this hidden agenda of converting every mma fighter to boxing.. Silva and arlovski want to have a boxing career thats why they went to freddie..
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much
Think of all the shit he said to get in DLH’s head. And it all worked too.
Gimme 1 Round!
yup. i was kinda surprised that roach talked that much trash about him since the fight got signed..
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 8, 2009 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
Baby, I'm cool as a cucumber.
C’mon Weo. I know this, you know this, and of course Fedor knows this.
I’m only putting meaning into what Roachie himself said, and by his own statement, yes…he IS belittling the ground game. It is what it is.
But let’s just put this thing to bed, and let Fedor respond in his own words to Roachie’s statements.
Emelianenko On Freddie Roach’s Recent Comments:
“The beauty about MMA is that every fighter has his own unique style and preferences. But it’s not a beauty contest. We fight to see which fighter’s approach prevails. But again, we are not boxing and we are not fighting Sambo. We fight MMA. Sometimes it is a trainer’s job to point out weaknesses in his fighter’s opponents. And sometimes it is a trainer’s job to convince his fighter that his opponent has weaknesses. We will see.”
courtesy of fightline.com
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
thats a nice find. :)
but roach really isnt belittling the ground game. He even said in several interviews that he enjoys watching MMA fights, he’s really interested in watching the ground game as a fan, but he admits not knowing much about it. You cant judge a man because of one statement. Especially if he has a different purpose in saying it..
plus dude, use the reply button. Its easier to keep track of conversations that way. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks buddy!
You, know I’ve never seen the interviews where he says he digs MMA, so I’ll take your word on that. I think you’re confused about what’s really upsetting to me, and that is the fact that when you make statements like, “fight like a man”, you’re making implications, and for someone with such a respected opinion in the fighting world such as Roachie to say something like that, it perpetuates the taboo of groundfighting as less than honorable. And that’s not a good thing for those of us that know better and are trying to change that misconception!
Also Weo, I’ve read some of your comments on here before, and I respect alot of what I’ve read from you thus far, so this has been fun. I hope we can find other things to disagree on in the future, you’re a fun sparring partner!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jan 7, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
well its been fun too. Just hope people dont stand us up, cause the ground is gay. hahaha. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry Weo, hit the reply button, don't think it worked
Last thing on the subject, though, you’re right. I was a bit hard on Roachie, considering the situation and his motives. I’m just so sick of people saying groundfighting is not “fighting like a man.”
I used to hear that s**t when I was younger, and I never got to fight my fight, cause we would always get stood up right after I got the position I wanted. Sour grapes, I guess!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
no worries
noone says ground fighting isnt fighting like a man after they roll with an experienced BJJ guy for the 1st time.
ask my drunk friends….
in all honesty ground fighting does look gay….i admit that, but like I tell everyone, that is the absolute last thing you will be thinking about when you are put to sleep

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