Sengoku 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 4, 2009 12:08 AM EST
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I just wanted to open up an article so that we can have some discussion as the Sengoku show takes place. I'll be doing my best to stay up and watch the entire show...but I am already feeling a little bit tired so we'll see how long I last. So rather than live blog the show myself lets all just throw our thoughts in the comment section here and we should get a little bit of dialogue going.
Please don't flood the comment section with questions of where to watch the show. I personally will not broadcast where I'm watching the show due to site liability issues. If I direct you to a streaming source you will likely then have a streaming source for UFC/Affliction..etc PPV's and I personally believe in paying for shows that you have legal means of watching. Streaming a show like this that you otherwise can not see I have no problem with. But still, this is a thread for the discussion of the show...not for begging for stream sources. Using basic google searches should provide you with plenty of options.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 4, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
You know..
I wasn’t aware that was no legal source of transmission for this program, so people being dicks and calling others beggars is entirely ridiculous. Someone could have said as much in another thread instead of humiliating people.
Huzzah!
I’d made mention in another thread, repeatedly. I don’t get HDnet or some of the other satellite feeds, but training partners and friends do. A simple allusion to the fact that it isn’t being aired on said waves would have sufficed.
It’s not he mentioned any names
Good work on putting yourself out as a scholar.
Nah..
It’s all good. I’ll watch it tomorrow. I probably better bounce this thread before it gets spoiled.
There is...
They’re called tickets; one for the plane, one for the show.
IMO, people just act like there’s no other way because of the ridiculous amount work it would take to see this show legally, and they don’t want to feel like a thief.
That's fun..
You’re taking his explanation as my own. I have no desire to steal this program.
I’ll keep your reply in mind in future conversations.
How can you steal that which is unavailable to buy though? Sengoku is losing absolutely nothing in potential sales.
But it is...
Just nobody in there right mind would travel to japan just to buy it.
I’m not saying people streaming it are doing something wrong, I have no problem with it; I actually stream all the MMA PPV’s I can’t afford.. But people are saying there’s no way to get it legally, and that’s just not true.
Dude...
chill. I know this is a bit late but you still need to hear it. This is a pretty popular blog with a big readership…if we are trying to say something to a single person directly we will e-mail you. This is not the first time we have ran a stream dependent results thread and the previous times have involved a lot of people begging for links to sites for streams. I was trying to avoid that.
Again, everything that is written on this site is not directed at you individually.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 4, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'm here for the long haul...
Just gettin tired of waiting… watching the Bisping vs Evans PPV at the moment… forgot what number it is.
Is that what I'm watching?
I just tuned in and caught the end of the Herman-Doerksen fight
Ok yeah it is...
Ugh I hope Sengoku comes up before that joke of a fight
1. LHW: Hidetada Irie (92.7kg / 204lbs) vs. Minoru Kato (92.1kg / 202.5lbs)
2. LW: Maximo Blanco (70kg / 154lbs) vs. Seigo Inoue (69.9kg / 154lbs)
3. HW: Dave Herman (110.3kg / 242.5lbs) vs. Choi Mu Bae (118.3kg / 260lbs)
4. LW: Eiji Mitsuoka (69.9kg / 154lbs) vs. Sergey Golyaev (69.8kg / 153.5lbs)
5. HW: Antonio Silva (118.2kg / 260lbs) vs. Yoshihiro "KISS" Nakao (102.4kg / 225lbs)
6. LHW: King Mo (92.8kg / 204lbs) vs. Yukiya Naito (91.8kg / 202lbs)
7. LHW: Hidehiko Yoshida (92.9kg / 204.5lbs) vs. Sanae Kikuta (91.4kg / 201lbs)
8. MW: Kazuo Misaki (82.7kg / 182lbs) vs. Jorge Santiago (82.2kg / 181lbs)
9. LW: Takanori Gomi (69.8kg / 153.5lbs) vs. Satoru Kitaoka (70kg / 154lbs)
Anyone else read the sherdog article on Kitaoka?
"He looks strong, but I think I hate him; I don’t know why," Kitaoka said. "After this fight, I don’t think I’ll ever talk to him ever again, no matter the result."
"I told Aoki, from here on out, I’ll make it so that you won’t ever hear anything about Gomi anymore," Kitaoka said.
Damn…it’s serious.
Sengoku entrances
Does Sengoku have dramatic entrances like Dream/Pride or more toned down ones like the UFC?
I’d catch a stream if I felt like throwing my back out looking at the choppy ass video.
I’ll just live the results with you guys and catch the videos later.
I'm waiting on it
Just a few more minutes and the stream will be up from the voice himself
Gimme 1 Round!
Anyone one else getting a Houston Alexander/Thiago Silva fight. I would have thought the stream would have kicked in by now
yeah its on that right now
but it should be switching over any minute now. I don’t know how much work it is to link through to a stream from Japan or Korea but it can’t be that easy
Gimme 1 Round!
Haha… I’ve never seen the Bas video before. Just the MTV satire. This makes that even more hilarious!
bleh my link isn’t working for some reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7kVEg8vAMk
I have Starbucks caffeine truffles!
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
That would be my opinion.
Did you know we are in high demand, Laura?
by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 4, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
There is another stream on Justin.tv guys for those not watching
I’m guessing MMAtv’s might start at like 3 AM…. But the other stream is working… Sorta
War Choi Mu Bae! Pee Wee forgot to roid because he wasn’t gonna be tested
Gimme 1 Round!
Anyone who loses to Mu Bae Choi by stoppage standing is beyond merely needing a camp to ascend to the next level.
He can still be very good
He needs to get somebody besides Travis Lutter to be his conditioning coach though
Gimme 1 Round!
He is into it too.
Did you know we are in high demand, Laura?
by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 4, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Did he cramp up?
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 4, 2009 3:10 AM EST reply actions
Oh man, this is the sort of quality one expects from Sengoku. Knee injury stoppage, no tap submissions, and an undefeated prospect getting ruined by a crappy journeyman.
Yah
People aren’t used to intermissions unless you’ve been to a live event or watched Japanese MMA before. Because the UFC only makes time for 5 full fights after their intermission
Gimme 1 Round!
From Sherdog:
Lawal asks the crowd to chant "King Mo" with him. Lawal puts the mic up to referee Kimura as well, and gets two very un-enthusiastic chants from him. Kimura fights to not crack a smile.
The extra clinical description only makes it funnier.
You gotta hand it to the guy, he knows how to cut a good pro-Mo.
Old Milwaukee is making me do this….I’ll stop now. Or is it Old Mo-waukee?
Homer: Mo…Mo…Mo
Marge: Bart, are you going to Mo the lawn today?
Bart: Okay, but you promised me Mo money
Marge: I Mo, I Mo!
Homer: Mo…Mo…Mo
Lisa: When Bart’s done, can we Mo to the Mo-vies? There’s a Mo-tinee
Marge: Of course, All work and Mo play makes Mo a Mo Mo
someone recap the event so far
I dont want to have to sift through all the comments to know whats going on now.
DUde quickly
does anyone have any idea what the fuck Okami was saying in the ring? I don’t think I could be more confused. I hope one of you speaks japanese…….
I’m confused as hell. Okami is there. The Ishii comes out with a UFC shirt on.
Is it because of training camps or something?
doesnt get better than heats on fire
I can practically see him chopping wood blocks and pulling a mule cart
You win
the quote of the night contest! Nice pull dude!
by Nick Travaglini on Jan 4, 2009 4:21 AM EST up reply actions
please no vieled Pride references
You will make me cry. I miss it so much its scary
by Nick Travaglini on Jan 4, 2009 4:22 AM EST up reply actions
here come the tears
you are really cruel. thanks alot.
by Nick Travaglini on Jan 4, 2009 4:26 AM EST up reply actions
yes
Yoshida defended correctly. it wasn’t going anywhere. Gotta love the japanese
by Nick Travaglini on Jan 4, 2009 4:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yoshida must hit like a cheerleader
He connect flush with him about 5 times in that round and didn’t drop him.
if this was a ten point must system
I think kikuta would win via a 10-8 third round. But this is japanese so who knows
looks like i'm gonna have to make another profile
and not spam the chat with links to matbattle.com and animal porn
Gimme 1 Round!
Hey guys
Sherdog play by play has a translation of what Ishii saidin the ring. Nothing about Okami though. Starting to wonder if I imagined the whole thing.
Thanks for the support guys
I just flushed all my percocet
by Nick Travaglini on Jan 4, 2009 4:50 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone else
think Santiago is going to stomp a mudhole in Misaki?
more of a
trip and fall. Misaki landed clean but Santiago tripeed trying to get away
by Nick Travaglini on Jan 4, 2009 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
Santiago
needs to learn the rubber guard. his guard sucks
i just had a heart attack
I thought santiago ended it with that drop. wow misaki recovered quick
He always does that
Riggs dropped him like that… Then he bounced back up and KO’d riggs with his next punch
Gimme 1 Round!
I perfer restarts when there is no action
MMA is a sport not a fight. If there is a clinch with no action break and restart so they aren’t stalling
Gimme 1 Round!
3 rounds to 1
I think Santiago took the second round via dropping misaki. all the others are misaki in my opinion
Santiago had dominant position for a full minute in the last round
Using Griffen vs Page scoring that was a 10-8 round for Santiago
Gimme 1 Round!
Understatement
Its the first fight of the year candidate, and ANOTHER instance of Santiago successfully winning in the last round via stoppage when his back was against the wall. Talk about setting the bar high for 2009.
The real struggle...
is that something from the very start of the year has a hard time being remembered as fondly come the end of the year when there is a big load of fresh hotness in everyone’s head.
Still, very good fight
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 4, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
i hate to say I told you so
but I told you so.
I have Santiago sitting around 5
and Misaki around 10. And both throughly beating Marquardts ass at this point.
Gimme 1 Round!
Ha.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 4, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
I just joined the broadcast for this fight. Also kinda hammered. What is up with Ishii in the UFC shirt at Sengoku? Partnership going on? Buy out?
no one knows
Ishii came out and spoke to the crowd. Sherdog play by play has tghe translation, seemed like non sense to me. Also, Okami was in the ring speakin but have no idea what her said. Very curious myself so if you find out please share.
by Nick Travaglini on Jan 4, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
hey i'm streamin it now
but joined the event at yoshida fight (which was hella boring) – what other fights are worth watching?
no spoilers pls – i didn’t read the top half of this thread
i'm calling kitoaka by sub
gomi prob hasn’t trained that hard…
Yoshida fight wasn't that boring
The earlier fights were pretty bad except for Watching Mo do his thing
Gimme 1 Round!
Mousasi
then Santiago, then Manhoef/Jacare/Misaki/Robbie Lawler are the best outside the UFC… And they are 3,4,5,6,7 in my book With Silva and Hendo 1 and 2
Gimme 1 Round!
I left out Okami and feel bad for it butUFC MW class is disgustingly weak
I’ve never considered Marquardt top 10 and Rich Franklin is a borderline top 10
Gimme 1 Round!
Franklin's never beat anybody
He did nothing against Okami except lose if it was PRIDE rules and should ahve been a draw with a 10-8 round if judged like Griffen vs Forrest
Gimme 1 Round!
Marquardt's only good win
Is Misaki 15 fights ago when Ed herman was the best fighter he had beat. And Franklins is against Okami in a horrible fight where Okami would have won under Pride rules
Gimme 1 Round!
They both fought knowing it was UFC rules. It’s as relevant as the outcome in international gymnastics rules. Franklin’s beat everyone ever put in front of him besides the two guys that are probably the best in the world at their weight class. He destroyed Matt Hamill and made him look like a punk kid. The fight with Henderson will be very close.
Kitaoka is a more jacked Aoki...
But this is a bad style matchup. Gomi doesn’t have to worry about his hands at all so he can focus on wrestling and counterpunching. Bad setup for Kitaoka. But maybe he can pull off a miracle or suck Gomi into trying to GnP.
Gimme 1 Round!
mousasi is the best mw outside ufc
kitaoka is doing his best retard impression….i think he’s a good fighter but he acts like such a douche…..
He looks a little confused by everything.
Did you know we are in high demand, Laura?
by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 4, 2009 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
In the words of Slayer
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Gimme 1 Round!
SOPcast
the only way to go. Not one stumble tonight.
gomi looks thin
dunno if it means he hasn’t trained
Barf
I’m a mog. Half man, half dog. I’m my own best friend.
Not sure why but your post reminded me of that quote
That was abrupt.
Did you know we are in high demand, Laura?
by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 4, 2009 5:53 AM EST reply actions
Gomi
is limping pretty good. wonder if he did any serious damage
Now Gomi will go to the UFC
and dominate everybody but BJ and prove that the UFC LW class is inferior
Gimme 1 Round!
kitaoka is good
Give him credit – he acts like a total douche but he is a good fighter. Gomi nubbed out by going to ground.
Gomi is still relevant but he’s no longer top 5 – maybe not even top 10. Lets see him string some wins together.
alright. bedtime
gentlemen, its been a pleasure. Enjoy your sunday. I am gonna go grab 4 hours of sleep.
roids or not he would have won that fight
Gomi’s ground game is below average and Kitaoka’s is near Aoki level
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