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Statistics Prove: Lyoto Machida Even More Awesome Than Previously Reported

3241402754_1527227025_mediumI posted earlier this week about Rami Genauer's FightMetric research on Lyoto Machida's "elusiveness" -- as we discussed, he has the second lowest career SApM (Strikes Absorbed per Minute) in all of MMA.

Well Rami wanted me to let y'all know that he's got even more statistical proof of Machida's awesomeness over at AOL Fanhouse. First, his takedown defense is incredible:

(This chart shows the) number of takedowns landed divided by the number attempted. This is a simple ratio of an opponents' takedown success rate. For comparison, we will again first look at the current UFC champions' numbers:

Georges St. Pierre: 15%
BJ Penn: 36%
Rashad Evans: 38%
Anderson Silva: 41%
Frank Mir: 80%*

The first four champions are above-average in their takedown defense, with GSP standing head-and-shoulders above the rest.

So where does Machida come in? Opponents have landed just 8 of 41 career takedown attempts against Machida, a success rate of just 19.5%. That is not much worse than St. Pierre, whose takedown defense is perhaps the best in MMA history. And it's actually better than Fedor's number, which stands at 22%.

[*Note that almost no one tries to take down Frank Mir, so that stat doesn't really mean anything.]


Rami also notes that Machida has NEVER been knocked down in a fight AND he's only lost one round on one judge's score card in his career:

The 10-point must system produces nine measurements for each fight that goes to a decision (three rounds each for three judges). So in five decisions, there have been 45 measured rounds upon which judges have given their verdict.

Machida's record on that scale is 44-1. In all of his UFC fights (and assuming a win in the first round against Sokoudjou), Machida has not lost a single round on a single judge's scorecard. He has only won by scores of 30-27. You have to go back more than two years to find a round in which a judge said he lost. In his WFA fight against Vernon White, one of the judges called the bout 29-28. The other two still called it 30-27.

So hate on haters. Machida just keeps racking up the stats.

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Is it wrong to hope he loses?

I don’t really hate him but deep down, I want him to lose….

by achengy on Jan 31, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

id sacrifice my 300 elbow bucks to see him get ktfo

by dbcb on Jan 31, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Part of the Problem

Machida makes sense in real life, avoid confrontation and make yourself hard to hit. But what ruined boxing and why MMA is growing so fast is that people watch fights to see two people willing to beat the hell out of each other. As technically sound or quick as a Pernell Whitaker or Floyd Mayweather may be, they simply try to outpoint people. Most people would rather see submissions or knockouts. Machida is unique now but if everyone emulated him, MMA would suck (hence the points for “Octogon aggression.”

by bringbackbuddytrees on Jan 31, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Machida is unique now but if everyone emulated him, MMA would suck (hence the points for "Octogon aggression."

You totally combined “Octagon Control” and “Effective Aggressiveness” when you were not supposed to.

In terms of control, Machida rapes everyone. Simple as that.

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by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

“In terms of control, Machida rapes everyone. Simple as that.”

He may have good control, but you are bending it to make it seem like Octagon aggression and tempo should not be factored in. This isn’t a point style karate tournament.

by lbk on Jan 31, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

He controls the tempo with his pace. Hence, he is always controlling the fight. He never lets the opponent get the upper hand in the control department.

The only way anyone can give his opponent a round is if he legitimately gets beaten in a round via strikes or on the ground. His pace is what wins him rounds on the card.

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by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that the type of control we want to merit?

It’s almost like saying Starnes was in control of Quarry because he was backing away. He was controlling the pace and thus not allowing his opponent to hit him?

Why then a 30-24?

To me Octagon control is being able to control where you and your opponent goes. If Machida is countering only he is NOT in full control because his opponent can choose to also counter… and we would get a boring fight where no one engages.

This isn’t a knock against Machida but more or less vs the argument of “control”…..

by achengy on Jan 31, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesus Christ...

If you don’t like watching the guy that is one thing…but comparing him to Starnes is just being over the top. Starnes “plan” was to run…not to use pacing and distance to dictate the fight and using precision striking when the opportunity is there.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't saying that

Look Machida only controls a fight because the other opponent has to be aggressive.

I hardly believe control should be in any argument with Machida right now because he only controls you if he’s winning the fight and forcing his opponent to be aggressive and get sloppy.

Machida has effective striking and the skills but he doesn’t control fights. Or else wouldn’t he just be finishing his opponents?

by achengy on Jan 31, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

control is different from damage or finishing ability. Some guys don’t have the power to finish with strikes..etc but they can still control every aspect of a fight. That means controlling the pace, dictating where the fight takes place, doing damage while taking none…etc

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Doing damage while taking none? More like effective striking to me anyway.

Controlling the pace? Again Machida doesn’t do this. The pace of the fight is set by his opponent due to style/game plan.

Dictating where the fight takes place? Machida can get points from this but do you award a fighter for simply have a counter striking style? His plan is to avoid strikes + ground.

I feel like it all leads back to effective striking. Don’t get me wrong, Machida has world class striking but I don’t want to say he control fights because to me anyway he doesn’t do that.

He’s improved in the control aspect by being more aggressive with takedowns etc but still a lot of his “control” is still based on what his opponent does.

by achengy on Jan 31, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Can this be turned into a fan post?

I’m really thinking about posting this now

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 1, 2009 5:11 AM EST up reply actions  

To me there’s a big difference and that is that Machida seeks to thoroughly dominate his opponents — only against Tito when he faded toward the end did he not increase his effectiveness throughout the fight. Watch his fights with Heath and Nakamura, they’re beat downs that get worse as they go on.
Michael Bisping and Dan Hardy on the other hand they fight for points and run away. I hate that crap too.

by Kid Nate on Jan 31, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Man...

You all are waaay too hard on Bisping. He hardly “runs away.” Using combination punching and a get-in-get-out style is not “running away.” The guy has gone to a total of 3 decisions in his entire career while finishing 15 opponents. That is HARDLY point fighting.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve gotta disagree with you. That was point fighting reminisce of boxers today. The difference between MMA and boxing is that in MMA, the goal is to finish an opponent when you have the opponent hurt. Boxers, today more than ever, are happy to win rounds without putting themselves in danger. Bisping had a safe gameplan to win rounds without attempting to finish. Even though it’s not wrong for him to do so, as fans, we should call him out on it. He should have went for the finish instead of being happy to ride out a victory.

by cyph on Jan 31, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Are we talking...

about the Leben fight? If so…one fight hardly makes a guy a “point fighter”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t call him a point fighter. I call what he did in that fight point fighting. He was so awesome in his previous fights that it was unnecessary for him to fight like that since it’s only Chris Leben. He can’t be afraid every time he steps up in competition.

by cyph on Jan 31, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

that I was a bit disappointed he didn’t pour it on a bit more against Leben. But Nate’s insinuation that Bisping is a runner and point fighter is the view that a lot of people have created based off of a single fight (which I will mention was a fairly dominant decision) and takes away what the guy has done in the past.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m referring to his fight against Chris Leben where his plan was to win the decision.

by Kid Nate on Jan 31, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not crazy about that...

but he did bust Leben up for those 3 rounds, drawing blood, clearly winning the striking battle. I get that there is a lot to be said for “fighting for the finish” but the three main ways to win a fight are KO, Submission or Decision. If he figured the safest and smartest way to get a win was to draw it out to a decision…well…good on him. He won the fight very clearly and the story on Leben coming in was that his chin would be too much for Bisping to dent reliably and the only way a lot of people saw Leben winning was if Bisping allowed it to turn into a firefight. If you’re asking a guy to put himself in a bad position and make the fight the one kind of fight his opponent could win in an effort to finish…I can’t get on board with that. He doesn’t have a history of “fighting for a decision” so I think to hold it so firmly against the guy that he fought Leben in what was honestly the smartest way possible is rough. The only guy that has knocked Leben out in 23 fights was Anderson Silva…as much as I like Bisping…he is no Anderson Silva.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I Agree completely...

Bisping gets a lot of shit for “running” which I dont understand.

by Loot on Feb 2, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Mayweather...

is one of the top 5 combat sports draws on the planet. I don’t think it is fair to say that his defensive style has turned many people off.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

It sure turned me off. I don’t watch boxing, but I did watch that fight and it put me to sleep.

by cyph on Jan 31, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

What, beating Arturo so badly that his eyes swelled shut in the 4th round? Or KOing Hatton in the 10th? (my rounds could be wrong) He’s a slow starter.

Mayweather avoiding De La Hoya’s flurries on the ropes takes far more skill than what Machida does (backpedal and circle out of range with hands down). He’s not avoiding anything, he’s not even in striking range.

In terms of these stats Nate keeps putting up, Machida is overrated. He hasn’t faced any quality competition yet, anyone can pile up stats over a bunch of outclassed fighters.

by bigweeze on Jan 31, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Mayweather also beat the living shit out of tough guy Diego Corrales, another action man fan favorite. I love Corrales, Gatti and Hatton, but Mayweather beat the hell out of all of them, and while the Oscar fight wasn’t exciting, it’s also worth noting that Mayweather had no business fighting at 154 pounds in the first place, and he still beat a good fighter who had a lot of advantages against him in terms of strength and familiarity with the weight and all that.

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by Scott Christ on Jan 31, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

like pacquiao had no business at 147? hehe. :)

Im not disagreeing with your major points. I just think that those arent excuses for not finishing de la hoya.. Either way, i still think that mayweather is the best fighter out there, and people hate on him primarily because of his attitude, not because he isnt skilled or because of his style.

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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 31, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate on him

because he was one of the most brilliant fighters I’ve ever seen at 130 and 135 and as he got heavier he became less of a devastating counter fighter that nobody could even touch and more of a defensive point fighter that ducked quality at 140 and 147.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 1, 2009 5:16 AM EST up reply actions  

the Hatton fight

was the first time I’ve actually seen the old fighter that he was at 130 drawn out of him again. It took a guy crowding and mauling him to actually make him throw punches

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 1, 2009 5:17 AM EST up reply actions  

He had the bennefit of being in HBO 24 twice as well as having two national heroes in ODLH and Ricky Hatton to work off, that coupled with his heel persona as money mayweather and youve got a huge draw.
The cool thing about Mayweather as opposed to Lyoto is Mayweather could fight you in a phone booth and not take damage, Machida needs room, either way both these guys fight the way your supposed to fight hurting your opponent with out taking any damage. I respect the hell out of that. Oh and thanks for tuning these suckers in

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by R.T. on Feb 1, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Machida is getting KTFO tonight. Guaranteed.

by lbk on Jan 31, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

I’d be willing to sig bet you on BE that Machida is the won getting his hand raised via (T)KO.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Meant “one” not “won”. Wow that was retarded of me.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take the bet. How do sig bets work?

by lbk on Jan 31, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Basically one of us would just have to change our quote under our names. For me, I’d have to change mine to one that you make up (make it embarrassing to wear!). And vice versa.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s cool. i mean, whatever. I’m fine with doing a gentlemen’s bet as well. I’ll be here to take some ribbing after the fight if Silva gets subbed or dominated in some fashion.

by lbk on Jan 31, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Where are you

Dammit I wanna make this whole comments section a fanpost

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 1, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope he gets KTFO

I want to see a fight not a track meet. I understand his logic of taking as little damage as possible and that is great in a street fight/survival situation, but the whole point of MMA is to fight, not to how to avoid a fight. I hope he gets smashed for that reason alone.

by attgnp on Jan 31, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

the whole point of MMA is to fight, not to how to avoid a fight.

Wrong. The whole point of MMA is to win. Remember that.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

This IS a sport...

and yes, goal #1 should be to win. I “get it” that there is an element of entertainment to the sport if you want to get ahead…but fighting to be entertaining and not in the best possible way to get a W is the kind of thing that people shit on Jorge Gurgel for.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Machida’s fighting style is pretty much the martial arts application of The Art of War.

A lot of people just want to watch a Rocky fight montage; couple of dudes swinging for the fences. Kind of the same guys who boo when a fight is on the ground for more than 20 seconds.

The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy.
- Sun Tzu

by toxic on Jan 31, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Since entering the UFC, he’s done an excellent job of “securing himself against defeat” but a pretty poor job of seizing opportunities to defeat the enemy. He’s only finished one opponent in the UFC. He’s an elite striker and he only has 3 TKO’s to his credit, one of them due to “exhaustion”. The last time he legitimately stopped someone with strikes was New Year’s Eve 2003! That’s five years ago!

A lot of people also just want to see him finish for a change. I’d love to see him use his superior footwork and balance to set up a finish instead of using it to outpoint his opponent. I think most people would be hardpressed to say they’d rather see him win a decision instead of putting somebody to sleep.

by ricker2005 on Jan 31, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather lose and have actually fought than had to be elusive “run” from my opponent. His time will come, somebody will run him down and smash his ass, hopefully sooner than later. Wait and see.

by attgnp on Jan 31, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, but you better win in an entertaining fashion or Dana will start putting you on the undercards.

by lbk on Jan 31, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously...

because due to Machida’s wrap as a “boring fighter” he has been relegated to only being the featured undercard (read: biggest fight outside the main event) bout on the Super Bowl Weekend show…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well I guess if you jog around that is what happens. Look, I respect Lyoto Machida and his “elluisiveness” but the guy is a better version of Kalib Starnes at UFC 83. You can’t hit or takedown the guy because he moves or runs non stop. While it is smart and it has got him to a perfect record, its sometimes painful to watch.

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jan 31, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

To even say something like that baffles me. I don’t want to use the “are you really an MMA fan” line, but this one deserves it.

by cyph on Jan 31, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Why? Because it begs to differ from your opinion? Some people enjoy watching his style, and some find it extremely frustrating. Do I expect him to go out there and bang it out and get knocked out like Forrest Griffin, or Chuck Liddell? No. But the guy just avoids the fighter untill they get frustrated make a mistake, then he will kick or knee them, back up and do it again. Is that why he has only finished Sokodjou? He runs, sees an opening hits, backs up, back pedels repeat process.

That is a Lyoto Machida fight. The guy has incredible skills, he just choses not to do it in a more engaging manner, in which makes it frustrating.

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jan 31, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Look, I respect Lyoto Machida and his "elluisiveness" but the guy is a better version of Kalib Starnes at UFC 83.

To say that Machida is a better version of Starnes is an affront to all MMA fans.

by cyph on Jan 31, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Starnes...

who DID NOT engage nor do anything to put himself in an offensive position in the Quarry fight vs. Machida who is constantly engaging or maneuvering for defensive or offensive purposes (but only on his terms) are hardly comparable.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

The comparisons to Starnes are really off. Kalib Starnes lost every round of that fight to the point that judges were scoring them 10-8, Machida has never lost a single round of a fight on a judges card. Even if you want to call it point fighting it is completely different than Kalib Starnes not fighting at all, there is nothing at all similar about the two.

by who me on Jan 31, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like my dislike for Lyoto Machida has not only

a.) Make me look foolish
b.) Leave me Pwn’d

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jan 31, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Machida is a solid B level fighter, he record is not as impressive as it seems if you really dig into it. He many win the fight tonight but he should not get a title shot until he beats someone better than Tito in the UFC.

by #5mmafan on Jan 31, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Thiago Silva would smash Tito. I would like to see him beat a Rampage or Griffin level fighter before he gets a shot at the title.

by donkeypunch on Jan 31, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Machida is a solid B level fighter, he record is not as impressive as it seems if you really dig into it.

Wow. Just wow. Since where wins over Bonnar, Franklin, Penn, and Tito not impressive? Please tell me. How do those wins make you a B-level fighter? Please tell me. I’m dying to understand your logic (or lack thereof) in this situation. Until you can explain your out-of-whack comment, I don’t think you should post in this topic anymore.

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by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He many win the fight tonight but he should not get a title shot until he beats someone better than Tito in the UFC.

Oh and this comment didn’t go unnoticed either. By your whack logic, Rampage shouldn’t have received a title shot until he beat someone better than Marvin Eastman in the UFC.

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by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s pull back a little on this. Everybody keeps adding in his victory over BJ Penn but let’s be real. One of them fights naturally at 155 and the other fights at 205. They fought in an open weight class fight. That’s not a victory anyone should point to as a quality win.

Bonnar, Franklin, and Tito are all quality wins though and it’s laughable to call him a B-level fighter.

by ricker2005 on Jan 31, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t take away his victory over Penn especially when Penn (himself) says he wants to hold like every title one day. Penn arrived in at around the Middleweight (185) limit. I think the guy knew what the hell he was getting into. You can’t take away an open-weight victory due to the weight difference. No one gave CroCop crap for knocking out Wanderlei when he outweighed Silva by about 30 pounds, just like Machida’s weight difference in the Penn fight. Or the fact that CroCop weighed nearly 50 pounds heavier than Minowa (I believe) when they fought in the open-weight tournament. No man should have a win taken away due to weight advantage when both fighters were well aware of the rules ahead of time. Penn knew what he was getting into.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Penn has no business fighting above 170, regardless of his egotistical outlook on holding all the belts. The win isn’t taken away. It’s simply not a quality victory like his Bonnar and Franklin fights. Weight classes exist for a reason and it’s irrelevant whether Penn knew what he was getting into. The only thing that’s relevant is that a 155 lb man fighting BJ Penn is not the same as a 205 lb man fighting BJ Penn.

by ricker2005 on Jan 31, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand what you’re saying but if Penn came in at 185 pounds, what’s the problem? It wasn’t a 50-pound difference at all. And Penn’s own words from the PrimeTime show leading to the fight against Georges back up my point of view on this. He clearly stated that technique overcomes strength and it doesn’t matter how big a man is as long as the man he’s fighting knows the proper technique. They fought and Lyoto won, although most believe it to be a very controversial decision. I personally had it as a straight-up draw but we all know draws wouldn’t happen.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is that everyone has a natural weight class (or two) and Penn was fighting way above his. Just because Penn put on weight didn’t mean he wasn’t considerably under-sized. His frame was the same, he had simply ballooned up to a higher weight. The fact that BJ did it and was competitive is a credit to him, but long term I hardly think it would have been a recipe for success. Yes technique can overcome size, but this isn’t the early days of MMA any more. Technique can only take you so far when the man your facing is nearly as skilled and much bigger.

by BilboMcFonzie on Jan 31, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a ludicrous statement. Why even argue over it. There are too many new MMA fans here who don’t know what they’re talking about.

by cyph on Jan 31, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No such thing as too many new fans...

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

since the very first UFC is that new?

by #5mmafan on Jan 31, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I love this bullshit claim

I wonder how many people here actually watched the first UFC PPV when it first debuted. I started at when I rented UFC’s 2 and 6 on VHS and then went from there

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 1, 2009 5:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Penn is a lightweight, Franklin is tough but lets not overstate his skill level, Tito had given up mentally as a fighter at that point as for Bonnar, please.

by #5mmafan on Jan 31, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya'll need to learn...

some respect for Bonnar. He’s going to punk Jones HARD tonight.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 31, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Bonnar should win this fight, he has alot more experience. I’m picking Jones.

by #5mmafan on Jan 31, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet Tito fought to a controversial draw with the current LHW champ in the match just preceding his one with Machida.

by brad23 on Jan 31, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

watching machida is the equivalent to watching gray maynard

by dbcb on Jan 31, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

I can appreciate Machida’s fighting style but it doesn’t make me a fan of it. If he decisions Silva tonite I still can’t see the UFC giving him a title shot.

by pr0cs on Jan 31, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

I can. They basically opened the door for him by putting Rampage against Jardine. This is Machida’s title shot to lose.

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by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

As long as Machida keeps going to decisions and as long as the crowd keeps booing him, the UFC really has no choice but to give him the hardest path possible to the belt. He’s going to probably get the belt eventually but he’s going to be ratings poison. He’ll hold the most coveted belt in the promotion hostage and will generate minimal PPV buys. It has to be a nightmare for Dana White.

To get a title shot after this fight, he needs to finish Silva.

by ricker2005 on Jan 31, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It has to be a nightmare for Dana White.

Oh yeah, Dana is real worried.

“Machida has everything to be the next best pound for pound top fighter in MMA,” said White.

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by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

All I’ll say is the when a PR person speaks, their personal feelings are not necessarily reflected in the words that come out of their mouth. If Dana White has a brain in his head, he doesn’t want Machida to hold the belt. He wants it in the hands of somebody he can sell.

by ricker2005 on Jan 31, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Machida is a real easy person to sell. Especially if he does what’s in the best interest for him, which is to basically turn heel (wrestling term for “bad guy”). The guy needs to basically become the Tito Ortiz of 205. The guy that fans want to pay to see lose. And you best believe that they’ll pay to see him lose. They’ll pay $50 to see Rashad stomp him out. They’ll pay $50 to see Rampage knock his head into the tenth row. They’ll pay $50 to see Forrest actually finally fight him instead of cowering out of fight after fight.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Titio Ortiz is the Tito Ortiz os 205.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jan 31, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to be a heel

with the language barrier. He’s going to be a heel anyway on USA turf but does he bring any heat really?

He doesn’t showboat or anything like that..

While I’d like to see him lose, not entirely convinced that’s going to happen.

by achengy on Jan 31, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Machida is from the future

If a fighter wants to have a long career and maintain his physical and mental sharpness he must fight smart, disciplined, and effectively. The fighters who take the least amount of damage last the longest as long as they continue to win. Machida does damage (Bonnar and Tito know this). If your not a mindless KO junkie who has no interest in technique and mastery when it comes to fighting then you know that Machica is a great fighter. Anderson Silva is a similar fighter to Machida. If you enjoy watching a fight unfold and seeing a fighter adjust his style to the challenge presented to him then Machida is great to watch. Smart fighting is the future. If you don’t like it watch combat arm wrestling.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jan 31, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

This doesn’t explain why he’s from the future at all.

by bigweeze on Jan 31, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah sorry.....

A buddy of mine down in Brazil told me that Machida and his whole family have access to technology that allows them to travel to the future. Machida regularly does this, apparently, to train and learn new visually deceptive defensive strategy.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jan 31, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

WAR MACHIDA

I love anyone who makes the haters sick

by EazyEismydad on Jan 31, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

If you can't regulate it...

Lyoto isn’t just racking up wins. Until it’s a matter of policy not to fight like him, he’s also pioneering a style. I think one of the cool things about MMA is really how fighters interpret the broad rule-set in varying ways, and take each supposedly game-breaking advancement and incorporate it. Sooner or later someone is going to figure out Machida, and regardless I think we will see him come out of his shell more against harder opponents. With the crazy upswing of highlight, seizure-inducing knockouts in the sport these past six months (I’m not imagining that, am I?) I’m actually kinda glad to see someone who can consistently protect himself standing.

by LBo on Jan 31, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Protect himself from a KO artist like Tito… Give him a medal

by bigweeze on Jan 31, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well what you do is just calculate the total time he has been in the cage and that is your answer. And yes I’m sure he’s #1 in that category.

by attgnp on Jan 31, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

So much unfounded hate in this thread. Some people just need a bit more maturity to appreciate what they are seeing I think.

by Benicio on Jan 31, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

I’m not to fond of the statistics.

by IHateMMA on Jan 31, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Screw stats.

Tonight Machida will actually transform into a dragon, eat Thiago Silva’s upper body, demand a title shot from Dana, and will get it at UFC 100.

by Tonley on Jan 31, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Let me say this just in case it happens.

Even if Machida gets KTFO’d tonight, I’ll still be his biggest fan. I’m not one of those bandwagon fans you see a ton of in MMA.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Jan 31, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

I guess that Machida guys is pretty good, huh? Haters.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Feb 1, 2009 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

Respect - lol

I’m also a huge Machida fan (my first ever MA was Shotokan).

But for all the haters – Machida is the real deal. You saw that tonight.

by rainmaker6 on Feb 1, 2009 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

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