Snapshot of the Day: Alistair Overeem's Growth
by Kid Nate on Jan 3, 2009 10:35 AM EST
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Photographic timeline via Freefight Videos
Don't miss this Bloody Elbow FanPost by Sam Cupitt on the topic. Here's an excerpt:
For the (November 2007 Strikeforce) bout he came in at 6 ft. 5in. and 224 lbs. while his opponent, Buentello, came in at 6 ft. 2 in. tall and 250 lbs..
...For the DREAM 6 bout against Cro Cop, Overeem came in at 241.8 lbs. while his opponent came in at 6 ft. 2 in. and 225.9 lbs.
For the K-1 Dynamite show, Overeem came in at 253.4 lbs. while his opponent did not weigh in (however, for the K-1 Grand Prix, Hari was around the 210 lbs. mark).
Rumors mount that Alistair is talking to the UFC. Wonder if he'll be able to pass the drug tests.
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CRAZY!
how many people would kill for those results? Thats gotta take a lifestyle of nothing but training and supplements;p
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Jan 3, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Come on, that head growth is perfectly natural! :)
by lbk on Jan 3, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn’t pass the drug test. I’ve got no problem with people using steroids as if it were a bad thing. If he admitted that he got help via them, then no big deal. As long as he was off of them by the time he entered the UFC, all is good by me. Remember this is a form of entertainment. It’s the clowns who use them and try to hide the obvious fact that their body has no definition, just water weight, raw size and no definition who are kidding people.
Jay K.
by JAYGK95 on Jan 3, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Prepare to be attacked
apparently your not allowed to state the blatantly obvious.
by #5mmafan on Jan 3, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think...
that it’s a bit absurd to believe that no one in the UFC does steroids, and the few who do get caught. I think there is clearly a way around the tests, and the fighters know it.
And so I think he will be fine the UFC, big head and all.
by mythbuster on Jan 3, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, by Lesnar’s logic, as long as you never failed a drug test, you aren’t doing it.
If a tree falls in a forest, and the tests don’t detect it, does it increase muscle mass?
by toxic on Jan 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Still beating a dead horse I see
If he juiced, he beat another juicer. Who cares. Once he’s in the UFC, it’s a level playing field. Just ask Shogun, Nogueira, Wanderlei, Cro Cop, etc.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about Herring, Henderson, Jackson, etc.? Why do people only talk about foreign fighters with regards to steroids in Pride?
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just trying to make a point. Throw those guys in if you feel like it. It doesn’t matter if he juiced or not. As far as I’m concerned everyone is juicing over there because they don’t test. Who cares. It doesn’t diminish his accomplishments any. Steroids sure didn’t help Johnnie Morton survive more than 10 seconds in a ring.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask keith Jardine
How dangerous Wand is “clean” because he gets tested now
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 3, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really really hate steroid speculation. It’s more than reasonable to be skeptical, but there’s such a “guilty until proven innocent” quality to these discussions. And it’s nigh impossible to prove you DIDN’T do something.
As for Overeem and this timeline specifically, I have a big issue with the presentation. The images are obviously cherry picked to begin with, but the “pre-roids” shots are even shrunk down to enhance the growth!
And it really isn’t unreasonable for Overeem to put on 30 pounds. The guy was already shredded at 205 (and if the timeline is accurate, he was only 23 or 24 in the first photo). It’s perfectly reasonable for a professional fighter to put on 30 pounds over a couple of years.
Would I be surprised if Overeem was found to be on the sauce? Of course not. I wouldn’t be surprised if any fighter (regardless of how their body looks) was juicing. But I’m not going to start a witch hunt about it either.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Powerlifting
It’s not uncommon to see someone put on 13 pounds in a three month dedicated program. He put on 29 pounds in one year.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Provided he doesn't get any bigger
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At first, I thought you were being critical of Overeem, but after reading again, it comes off as support. Clarify for those of us who have poor reading comprehension?
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am in support
It is not impossible to gain 29 pounds in one year without steroids.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like steroid speculation either, but admittedly it was a surprise to see how big he was recently. Steroids didn’t come to mind at all for me. It was more like, “Holy shit, he’s a beast!” Anyway, I am excited at the prospect of him possibly coming to the UFC. He’ll definitely make huge waves in the HW division.
by pud333 on Jan 3, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
One thing I’d add is that people keep referring to it as “30lbs of muscle”, when its very likely his body fat percentage has gone up. I don’t think he really looks as “shredded” at 253 as he did when he fought Mirko. But anyway, its a shame this witch hunt is still going on considering Overeem pissed clean in 2007 and has never been proven guilty of anything. Using that joke of a picture comparison (which is doctored) to drudge this topic back up is poor form IMO.
P.S. New photo evidence suggests Overeeem is actually SHRINKING!
by smoogy on Jan 3, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No human can...
lose 5 inches of height without unnatural means…
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 3, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had a buddy that picked up a chick
thats parachute didn’t open. She lost about 5 or 6 inches
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 3, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that natural
I’m not sure if that qualifies
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 3, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t someone performing at an abnormally high level at an age when they should be in serious athletic decline just a strong an indication of doping as someone putting on an abnormal amount of muscles is a short period of time?
by Jahbulon on Jan 3, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The best indicator of a fighter juicing is that there is no testing.
by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
I’m just asking, if it’s ok for us to speculate about fighters that put on muscle, isn’t it also ok for us to speculate about middle aged fighters who are able reach the top of their division (ala Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens)?
by Jahbulon on Jan 3, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You might as well come out and just point fingers at Couture. And if you won’t, I will for the sake of argument.
I’m not sure if these rumors were ever proven to be true (and I believe they came from Joe Rogan), but Couture reportedly had Hormone Replacement Therapy. Which basically returned his testosterone levels to those of a younger adult male. If true, why does that get a pass in the MMA landscape?
In my opinion, if PED’s aren’t frowned upon or tested for, there’s little moral outrage to be had. Steroids have this really weird stigma attached to them that props them up as the most evil thing an athlete can do. Where did it come from? I don’t know.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about we either:
(1) Don’t point fingers (my first choice)
or
(2) Point fingers, but don’t do it in a selective way.
For example, if a huge muscle bound freak and a middle aged guy who seems to be at the top of his game fight, let’s either ask them both about it or ask neither about it. Let’s either speculate about both of them or neither of them.
by Jahbulon on Jan 3, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They test testosterone levels…
if it’s normal you will pass – if it’s higher than normal range you will fail.
by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t accuse someone unless you know for sure. Everyone thought Bonds was on it, but no one said anything until the facts came out. Clemens was someone who didn’t look like he was on it. Was it fair to accuse Bonds but not Clemens? One guy look the part, the other didn’t. It’s just as unfair to accuse one guy without proof, because there is always a chance you’re wrong.
It’s grossly unfair because there are people are genetically predisposed to look like that. Overeem has always look cut and he’s 6’5 so weighing 250 is not a stretch when you near 30. I gained 20 lbs just by passing the 30 year mark and I only work out once a week. Lesnar is 6’3-6’4 and he’s nearly 300 lbs. A huge guy like Overeem weighing 250lbs is not that big a stretch.
Finally, a shredded body doesn’t mean shit. I dare anyone to take PED and end up looking like Cheick Congo. The guy is a genetic specimen and no PED can make your body look like something it’s not meant to look. All you’ll end up looking like is a mutant with veins popping out.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s an adequate question…
But people dont understand UFC testing… at every event fighters get tested.
In baseball they dont test at every game… they have so many restrictions because of the union that it’s so easy to cheat.
The morons think it’s a cake walk to cheat a UFC test… the reality is that it isn’t… there’s a guy standing their while you’re peeing.
These retards read all these stories about fighters saying a majority of the people at their gyms are on something – well guess what – the majority of those fighters are fighting at the local shows, casino shows where they don’t test….
Is it possible to beat the UFC test? sure – but you think these guys are willing to risk their careers on it?
You think they have the money to have a chemist sitting with them every week to make sure their blood read outs will be in line?
So now assuming there is a fighter willing to place his career at risk… and willing to pay the money to potentially beat the test – how much “enhancement” do you think he got?
Is it possible to cheat on your taxes? sure…
In the UFC everyone gets audited so if you cheat and get away with it… it will be so under the radar it’s not even worth the minimal “enhancement” you would receive.
by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just to be a nit, it’s not the UFC’s test. It’s NSAC’s or CSAC’s or whatever athletic commission is sanctioning the fight.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for UK shows, and the testing there has been brought under question. For example, if there had been proper pre-fight testing at UFC 89, Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben would not have been allowed to happen.
by smoogy on Jan 3, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really know why you keep harping on this.
The only place that tests before hand is Nevada, and it’s relatively new. To expect the UFC to get the tests done beforehand when they do it on their own outside the US is a little silly when most of the athletic commissions in the US don’t do that.
by Phildo on Jan 3, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they have a local show or casino show, they are regulated and test in a similar manner to the NSAC.
People can cycle the steroids and pass. Just because they get tested doesn’t prove their innocence anymore than lack of testing proves guilt.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If people cheat when there are testing, what makes you think that people don’t cheat when there’s no testing.
Cycling is not the same as fighting on PED. People need to stop pretending like they’re the same. Alcohol is most effective when you’re intoxicated, not 5 days later. Same concept with steroids. If it can’t be measured, then it’s not helping.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think steroids do?
They don’t turn you into the incredible hulk. They can, among other things:
1. Make you heal faster (better for training results).
2. Allow you to absorb more oxygen.
You are telling me that if they are not feeling it during the fight they are not experiencing the benefits? The main benefit of steroids is to allow you to train more than you normally could and come in a much bigger size or in better shape then you normally could.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In short, no the concept is not the same.
Second, my point is that the existence of testing or lack thereof should not be the sole determinant of steroid use.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
testing and not testing is the only determinant you have… everything else is just opinion.
There is a huge difference when you test and when you don’t test.
When there’s no testing there is a probability that your opponent will have downed a whole mexican pharamacy by the time the fight starts…
So what does that pressure you to do?
That’s right… to down and shoot whatever you can find.
by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no testing for HGH.
So by that logic, all fighters are taking HGH.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Touché
Your counter is correct.
Unfortunately that makes my argument correct.
Most fighters WERE taking HGH until the testing improved… but you are right there is nothing specific for HGH.
However HGH impacts other things in the blood so even back then it was limited on its use (except for tito as you can see in his enlarged head) if there is anyone still using – the abuse of it is even more limited now.
This is why testing is important.
If you have a speed limit of 50mph people drive 60 or 70 until they see a cop car.
Except with drug testing there is a cop car at every corner so you have to constantly get new radar detectors/blockers (masking agents, doses, etc…) to game the system and cops upgrade their radar guns to beat the new detectors (improving the drug testing).
This amounts to a safe and orderly environment for all.
If you don’t have a speed limit (no drug testing) they drive 120-140 endangering themselves and other people (pumping themselves with pain killers and all this other shit right before a fight).
So when you are talking about an organization that doesn’t test you’re talking about a jurisdiction with no speed limits… do you think people aren’t speeding in that jurisdiction?
I don’t need a radar gun to tell you that they are speeding and speeding with extreme negligence to their own health and the health of others.
by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s no testing and it isn’t a banned substance (which for all intents and purposes is the case in Japan), why are we even discussing it? Shouldn’t we be calling out fighters who use copious amounts of supplements in States too? I mean, if they’re doing it, clearly everyone else has to to keep up.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure they have something somewhere over in japan where it says it’s banned.. they just dont test.
Regarding keeping up – they are in a different jurisdiction so why do the sanctioned and drug tested fighters have to keep up with fighters they don’t have to fight.
The jurisdiction creates all the pressure.
If there’s no speed limit in japan are you going to drive 140mph in the states?
If you go to japan and your used to going 60mph and people are behind you doing 90 and 100 honking their horns – that will pressure you to start speeding up.
In terms of fighters health its important to discuss this.
by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids stay in your system 3-6 months. Most fighters fight 3-6 months. That is some good system they have if they can time the cycling on and off.
And most doctors prescribe steroids to heal injuries. No, I do NOT think it’s comparable. Argue all you want.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That should say fight every 3-6 months.
And steroidal medicine is one of the key stuff for sport injuries. So if taking it to heal up is akin to using it for “performance” enhancing during fights then virtually every single fighter is guilty of it.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because doctor’s prescribe it to heal injuries doesn’t mean that they can’t and aren’t used for other purposes. In fact, doctors are the only ones that can legally give them to you.
3-6 months is an overgeneralization but since I don’t have the exact science so I won’t argue that point. However, the basic idea behind cycling/stacking is to take other drugs to absorb the excess hormones in an attempt to bring you to legal levels prior to fight time.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doctors give out steroids all the time to athletes. I’m certain everyone’s on something to heal up between fights. Your argument is that taking steroids to heal or rebuild muscle mass or what have you is equivalent to using steroids to enhance performance during a fight. It is not or ever will be the same. So this cycling off argument and the implication that all the fighters are cheating one way or another, and the impossibility of the fighters ever defending against this charge is just ridiculous.
If they pass the best test the athletic commission has at this time, then they’re innocent. If you can’t prove a negative, then I don’t care about all the other conspiracy theories.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right it is not the same.
It doesn’t mean that they can’t take that same principle and use it for recovery during training. Which is what they do. The results of the use of that medicinal steroid is the reason why athletes have discovered the use of it to improve their training recovery.
What I think you are missing is – I AGREE WITH YOU. I BELIEVE THE FIGHTERS ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I just made this point to say that a lack of testing does not prove guilt.
by zeroword on Jan 3, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point cyph
Is that people who will cheat in Japan. Will still cycle in the US. And people that won’t cheat in the US aren’t dissuaded by easy to beat drug tests they are sticking to their own morals. They wouldn’t cheat in Japan either.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 3, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
casino shows meaning the casinos in the indian reservations where most of the small shows take place…
There are no sanctioning bodies there.
by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For legal reasons...
and protection of an associate I can’t get into details or name names. But you’re making commission overseen drug testing seem harder to cheat than it is in actuality.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 3, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can smoke weed and beat drug tests on a regular basis
and i’m talking Gas Chromatography/ Mass spectrometry. Cheating IS NOT HARD if you’re intelligent and diligent or you at least have intelligent associates.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 3, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best indicator a fighter is juicing is a needle labeled “Winstrol” sticking out their ass.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would expect the UFC
If they were to sign Overeem he’d probably fight in places where the UFC is not required to drug test.
I hate to speculate of if he’d taking roids or not but the guy went from being small at the MW division in Pride AND with less cardio to being a monster in the HW division AND he’s ripped to shreds AND his cardio is way, way better. Very odd if you ask me
by Discman2 on Jan 3, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There’s no government testing in the UK, so the UFC busted Chris Leben themselves.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I didn’t realize that. Good on them for doing it without having to.
by subo on Jan 3, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Mir went from a nobody to a somebody. Is he on steroids?
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you that much of a dullard?
The picture is right in front of you to see. If you choose to ignore it because you are a fan of his, that’s fine. But stop making constant ignorant remarks. it makes you look oblivious.
by lbk on Jan 3, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny to call someone ignorant and then use one of the most ignorant arguments for someone being on steroids.
To continue playing Devil’s advocate, Frank Mir fought effectively past 3 minutes of his fight with Nog. Clearly he used steroids to enhance his training.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, because Mir looks like he’s on steroids. What??
Are we talking blood doping or growth hormones. Becasue there is pretty good evidence Overeem is on some type of growth hormone to achieve those types of unnatural results in that little amount of time. Again, Dennis Wold who is a IBBF bodybuilding pro and an obvious juicer talks about how hard it is to achieve 10 + lbs of muscle growth on a mature already muscular body frame. Yet Overeem packs on 30 + lbs of PURE muscle in under a year? uh uh. Not naturally.
by lbk on Jan 3, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is important...
for people on both sides of this argument to admit to the POSSIBILITY of the other side. It is POSSIBLE for certain individuals to go through large growths in muscle mass in adulthood, this would be especially possible for someone who was making a very large cut to 205 (of course you’re going to look smaller fighting at 205 than you do when you can add up to 60 lbs of weight).
But on the other hand it is very possible that given the “wild west” attitude of foreign MMA in regards to testing that Alistair is on something…which given the landscape of the game in these regions is understandable and acceptable to me.
Both sides are being too violent in their rejection of the other side…
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 3, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand both
I just think its retarded to not except there are exceptions to every rule. And adding 29 lbs of muscle over the duration of a year isn’t impossible in the slightest. Especially if he had worked for speed for the Buentello fight and worked on Mass for the Hari fight. I fluctuate between 170 and 185 pretty easily depending on what i’m focused on
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 3, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I accept there is a possibility that Overeem is clean, however my personal opinion is that he is not.
by SamCupitt on Jan 4, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1) As others have said, Overeem doesn’t look like he’s put on 30 pounds of muscle. He definitely looks to have a higher body fat percentage now.
2) There’s no such thing as “looking” on steroids. Check out Juan Rincon, please.
by Mike Fagan on Jan 4, 2009 5:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh-oh the picture analysts are back with their credentials and flawless insight into muscle gain.
You have no case, save your biased opinions for when there is more evidence.
If people assume everyone in Japan uses steroids because there is no testing, everyone in the UFC must use HGH since there is no way to test that.
Must be true.
by DirtyML on Jan 3, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second . . .
That growth is over a 5 year span and happened between ages 23 – 28 years old! If he has been a full time fighter for 5 years, dedicated to bulking up it is feasible to get those results. The fact the pictures show he was ripped in 2003 and 2004 indicate he is weight room junkie and has just put on size with time.
This is terrible, slanderous article with absolutely no evidence.
by bignerd on Jan 3, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Easy now champ...
Nate said NOTHING slanderous. He posted the photo timeline that has been floating around and a quote from another article and then wondered if Overeem would be able to pass a drug test. That doesn’t mean he thinks anything one way or another but with the rumors and speculation wonders what will happen when he is subjected to one.
You don’t go around charging people with slanderous writing unless there is something to it.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 3, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey thanks for reading.
LOL.
I’d love to see what you say when I actually post an opinion on the matter!
by Kid Nate on Jan 4, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Spinning
There is a obvious insinuation in the article . . .
If I posted a picture of you and your sister and wrote the question “Wonder if Brent would be found to be a transsexual given a medical examination?” I think you would notice a hint of slander, Pollyanna.
by bignerd on Jan 3, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No.
If I write “wonder if Fedor can manage to survive the first round without suffering a cut” in regards to the fight with AA, I’m not saying that he will get cut, I’m saying that there is a reasonable suspicion that he may suffer a cut against a good striker. As there is a REASONABLE suspicion that Overeem is on some form of PED. I don’t think it is wrong for him to be on anything given the environment he is fighting in…but that is neither here nor there in this discussion. But with the dialogue throughout the MMA community it is not slander to wonder if someone who is the subject of such a heated “is he, isn’t he” debate would pass stiff drug testing.
You’re looking for a fight and that is resulting in you reading what you want to read rather than what is actually written…
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 3, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your analogy doesn’t quite hit the point. Speculating the outcome of fight doesn’t hold the seriousness of speculating whether someone is illegally cheating at their profession. The later is an offensive charge and you better do so with some actual evidence if you are going to drag it out to a public forum. Hint, a website publishing news articles is a public forum, this isn’t a goofy message board.
You would actually have justification for posting this trashy article if you quoted someone of significance alleging or accusing Overheem of steroid abuse, but you don’t. It’s some strung together photos and the only source of speculation is the author.
For the next article are you going to string together some Tom Cruise metro sexual photos and openly speculate whether he is gay? I’m sure your own judgment on reasonable suspicion will stand as evidence as to why you can get away with it.
by bignerd on Jan 3, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're just wrong....
but it’s obvious that you’ve made up your mind that Nate broke some sort of journalistic rule (we’re a blog by the way) by posting a timeline that is floating around various websites and wondering aloud if someone who is highly speculated to be on PED’s would at current be able to pass drug tests in the US. There is nothing shocking about this…but I’m done arguing with you because you’re obviously just fine to be upset over nothing.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 3, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yoshida lost like 35 lbs before this fight
HE MUST BE ON PEDS!
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 3, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To summarize: MMA fans = conspiracy theorists
It doesn’t matter if Overeem juices or not, since they don’t test over there. Skill still beats PED and with an equal non-testing environment, it’s a level playing field over there. PED should not be considered when judging the results of those fights.
In the US, drug testing does occur. The people who claim that all it takes is “intelligence” to pass the drug test should start up a company to cheat the tests because they would become very rich people by selling their easy secrets to the athletes. Obviously, these people have no idea but are just speaking out of their asses. Apparently, they also have doctorate degrees and are expert in steroids and PEDs because it’s all so very easy to them. If they are not opening up a business with their top secret formula to cheat the tests (and make millions from it) that means they have no clue and have no idea how easy it is to beat the system. I mean, if what they say is true, the athletic commissions are wasting valuable tax dollars because it is soooooo easy to defeat the system and everyone in the US are doing.
They like to bring up HGH even though scientific studies have declared that HGH is ineffective when not taken in conjunction with steroids. But never let facts get in the way of a good lie.
It is obvious that drug testing does work in the US. Certain fighters who come over to the US under perform compared to their fights in Japan. If “cycling” is all it takes to give them an enhanced edge, then those Japanese fighters would not need to lose muscle mass and under perform. But it’s pointless since these conspiracy theorists have already made up their minds. Apparently, cycling is the end all be all solution to performance enhancing drugs. If you believe that, then the US government was also responsible for blowing up the World Trade Centers. I’m out and I’m done with this topic.
by cyph on Jan 3, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow. im surprised to see people still debating about the steroids thing in multiple threads now..
Its not like you guys have any evidence to your claim. I said this on the other post, The first picture was when he was fighting at 205, He probably walks around bet 220-230 then cut to 205, 5 YEARS ago.. Now he’s 253.. To gain that weight in a 5 year span isnt that big..
so unless any of you guys have evidence, people should stop this witch hunt and stop discrediting his wins cause of speculation..
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 4, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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