Quote of the Day: Jamie Varner
"I broke my right index metacarpal, completely fractured." "So I have to get pins put in it Thursday. Then I go next week to see my eye doctor to make sure my retina isn’t detached. And if it’s detached it could be a career-ending injury."
Varner, who said he is still having trouble with his peripheral vision four days following the injury, has been indefinitely suspended until he can provide medical documentation that says the eye has recovered.-- Jamie Varner on Sherdog Radio Network’s "Beatdown" show on Wednesday.
HT: Sherdog.com and Combatlifestyle.com
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To all the nay-sayers
It’s amazing how many people were throwing a fit that he was just throwing the fight. It’s obviously way serious, and I wish the best of luck to him in a speedy recovery. He put up a great fight, but it was very obvious he was hurt from the knee. As much as it looked like a grazing blow, if you look at certain angles you can see where the kneed hit him in his open eye. It was an amzing fight, he showed why he is the champ, and cerrone showed why he is the #1 contender.
by adamdd on Jan 29, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Correction not that he was throwing the fight people thought he was quitting and using the knee as an excuse.
by adamdd on Jan 29, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See! I knew he was faking it! Fucking Pussy! ; )
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jan 29, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
Lets hope it isn’t as bad as it might first look and that he can recover.
by Razreshat on Jan 29, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair a glancing blow is more likely to detach a retina than a square one.
But why on Earth wouldn’t you get it looked at? It’s not something that requires a CAT scan or MRI. Just seems too stupid on everyone involved’s part to not smell like bullshit to me. The hospital is risking a massive malpractice suit to miss something so easy to look and find out.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or he got referred to a specialist by his doctor and got an appointment for the next week. That’s how specialists work at the hospital I go to.
by ricker2005 on Jan 29, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't need to see a specialist
to determine if your retina is detached. Their job is to diagnose macular degeneration and such.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me for seeing this as a way to garner sympathy
So your retina might be detached and you can’t see 4 days later. But you haven’t made the stop at the opthamologist when you were already at the hospital?
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He did have a broken hand and a broken foot also.. Cut him some slack
by asmiley420 on Jan 29, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it, but I agree with Skwirrl.
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you serious? Dude’s career might be over. Not sure people generally say that to elicit sympathy. We are talking about a mans livelyhood.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The stupidity if things you are willing to post never ceases to amaze. You think that MAYBE a doctor looked at it and MAYBE he got referred to a specialist and that MAYBE that appointment is next week, like he said? Keep fighter bashing.
by LiuLang on Jan 29, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s thinking things through too hard.
by asa on Jan 29, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I still say the knee was legal. The rule says it can’t be “thrown” when there are three points of contact, not that it cannot “land” when there are three points of contact. I think it was thrown before three points of contact, and legal. Unfortunate if the injury is career-ending, though.
:-)
by Kierkegaard on Jan 29, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
it did look to be thrown as varner was sitting up, and he saw it coming and went back down
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Jan 29, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was up
It should have been legal. Its easily seen in a gif.
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 29, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand what you guys are talking about.
I was always under the impression that if anything other than the feet were on the floor then he’s “down” and can’t be struck to the head by kicks or knees.
by asa on Jan 29, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it takes a slow motion...
gif breaking it down frame by frame to tell one way or the other you can’t fault the ref for a call either way.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 29, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I don't fault the ref at all
Way too close to call. But I wonder if Varner thought it was legal so he hammed it up as to not have the legality called into question. He HAD to know it was damn close. Also a detached retina will not end his career. Lamon Brewster got his detached in the 4th round against Lyacovich. He finished the fight and after recovery time is back fighting again.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree. I don’t fault the ref at all. But the vast majority of the posts I saw everywhere afterward suggested it was “clearly” an illegal blow and gifs were posted to show how there were three points down when it landed — but that’s not the rule.
For the record, I also am not in the camp thinking that Varner was faking or quitting or anything else. I’m a big Cerrone mark, for sure, but I have no opinion at all on what was in Varner’s head at the time.
I just think it’s a shame that Cerrone ultimately lost this fight because the call went that way — he may have lost it anyway, but he also may have finished Varner off there and taken the belt — and in the end the knee was, in my opinion, actually legal. It is what it is, and you can’t fault anyone because it was so close. Just a bad break is all.
by Kierkegaard on Jan 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uh yeah, so I guess that ends the debate about Varner trying to quit.
Possible career ending injury..jesus.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
SHOULD end the debat, but from reading some responses so far...doubtful.
by Razreshat on Jan 29, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a bunch of internet idiots. They would never question his heart to his face, I know that.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cant get yourself worked up over it. The people that say he threw the fight or even boo’d at the actual event are the same people that would run for dear life if ever confronted with a fight. It’s these spineless cowards that live vicariously thru fighters to supplement their lack of masculinity and overall bitch-assedness.
Being with me is like being with a broken tampon. There's no strings attached.
by Gogoplatapus on Jan 29, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the type of comment I expect to see at Sherdog but not here. Oh well.......
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jan 29, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a bunch of internet idiots. They would never question his heart to his face, I know that.
Because he’d beat me up?
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Beat u up?! Did you see him cry like a girl after that knee?? Come on, after questioning his heart i’d be more afraid of getting his tampon blood on me.
(Sarcasm)
Being with me is like being with a broken tampon. There's no strings attached.
by Gogoplatapus on Jan 29, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No because you can’t look a man in the eye and be an ass like you are here. In person you would see that what you are saying is absurd. He is a fighter, its his life. To question his will when he went 17 minutes with a broken hand and foot is crazy. You need to try the sport if you are going to be so critical.
by EazyEismydad on Jan 29, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. I don’t have a comeback since I know that you have never, ever been critical of someone – ever. On a serious note, I think you’re probably being very hypocritical.
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You take it to the extreme. Look around this post. You are clearly the biggest hater that reads this blog site.
by EazyEismydad on Jan 30, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't seen me enough then
I’m a way bigger hater than this guy
hate,hate,hate,hate
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 31, 2009 6:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think he was looking for an easy way out. I don’t like sounding like a dick, and I want to believe the guy.. but it just sounds to unreal.
He thinks his retina is “detatched” yet hes waiting a week-week1/2 to see an eye doctor? Why didn’t they check his eye out in the ER when he got his broken hand dealt with? Surely a ER has the correct staff and equipment to figure out if a patients retina was detatched. Even if the ER didn’t, they would get him an emergency appointment with an opthamologist.
I honestly think whenever we get an update after he goes to the opthamologist it’s going to be something along the lines of “oh thank goodness everything is fine..” (because nothing was ever f**king wrong). Just another way to get sympathy in my opinion.
by virginiatech on Jan 29, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
“I don’t like sounding like a dick”
Too late..
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the theory...
… that this settles it, is that you are all somehow under the impression that a guy who would lie to end a fight would never lie after the fight. It’s absurd.
Maybe he is telling the truth, but to say, “Well, he said he didn’t lie so I guess he didn’t lie.” is crazy. Him saying something proves nothing and I would be more than surprised if Virginiatech (above) isn’t 100% correct that it turns out to be “thankfully nothing wrong!”.
Well, OJ Simpson said he didn’t do it, so that should settle that debate!

by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
um..i’m pretty sure all of the medical attention he is receiving can be documented and traced.
This isn’t the magic bullet theory you are trying to make it out to be.
Why would someone go through all of this just to lie about an injury that occured after a fight he clearly dominated through 4 rounds?
And how did he “lie to end the fight”. I’m confused by that assertation..
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
um..i’m pretty sure all of the medical attention he is receiving can be documented and traced.
Time will tell. Until then, we only have the word of an accused liar.
And how did he "lie to end the fight". I’m confused by that assertation..
What do you think we’re talking about?
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right, what is the “lie” though? Dude may have a career ending injury. Pretty sure most guys don’t walk around lying about that kind of injury.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most guys don’t do what many of us think he did in the cage either. Your argument fails.
And since you sadly don’t even know what we’re talking about, the “lie” was him claiming blindness to end the fight – a claim that many believe to have been drama’d up significantly to end a fight to his benefit. A person who would do that, if he did, would have no problem lying about it later on.
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not this...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 29, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know perfectly well what you are trying to surmise, I just wanted to throw you some more rope to hang yourself. Your theory is ridiculous to say the least.
My argument fails? lol. My argument is logical, you’re is a poorly strung together theory contingent upon Varner lying for no reason about a possible career ending injury. Now who’s argument is more flawed?
You are coming across like a classless loon here. I get it, you hate Varner.
Again, I’m pretty sure all of his medical attention is pretty well documented to this point. If he’s lying, it will come to light.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Must be nice to be so simple minded. “The guy said he didn’t lie, so there! Nyah!”
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just choose to go through life taking people at their word rather than speculate endlessly that that person may be lying. Seems to be a good way to go through life to me.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Understood. I’m just saying, if I ever (god forbid) get accused of a crime, I want you on my jury.
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s not black and white like you are making it out to be. I certainly would look at things on a case by case basis. You just seem to have some strange motives here by questioning his honor code so strenuosly.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I’ve been very strenuous. Good to see you back to creating dialogs in your head to reply to again.
/shoo
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*AHEM!*
Name calling…don’t do it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 29, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, I do apologize. A bit frustated by his comments. It was def uncalled for on my part.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Until then, we only have the word of an accused liar.
Accused by you and some guys who think getting kneed in the face while on your knees is legal and isn’t bad enough to hurt a soft ball of fluid when thrown with a couple hundred pounds of force on it.
It seems a little ridiculous, but I hope you’re right. I hope his eye is fine and he goes on to have a career doing what he loves and works hard for.
And man, your tone comes off as unnecessary here. Unless you had money on the fights, then this all makes perfect sense :)
by asa on Jan 29, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats my tone?
I believe that he drama’d up his injury to end the fight to his advantage. I have seen nothing to prove otherwise. And I didn’t have money on the fight (not even BE dollars… no betting game for some reason :(
In fact, his words add more to the speculation. I am no doctor, but I find it odd that he went to the ER where they worked on his hand and foot, but not his eye – which could cause blindness if not treated. Again, I’m no doctor so maybe this is normal but it does sound strange.
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
and this is from how they treated blurred vision related to a concussion I suffered (one of many) that in the case of blurred vision after something like a fight or hard hit in football..etc. that they will not go too deep into the examination of the eyes thinking it is more likely to be a “brain injury”
Then again I’m not a doctor so I don’t know any sort of standard ER procedure.
I just think that a wait and see approach is best here. If the guy legitimately couldn’t see, but tried to fight through it and somehow took a hard shot to the blind side and fell awkwardly resulting in a very serious injury everyone would be up in arms for letting a guy with vision problems continue. Maybe if he continued that happens, maybe if he continued he wins the rest of the round, or loses the rest of the round and wins on the cards anyway, or finishes the fight…or gets finished…I just don’t see any reason to be so up in arms about a situation no one but Varner and doctors have true insight into because his reaction didn’t meet some arbitrary standard set forth after the fact.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 29, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brent if he had a problem with both eyes it would be treated as a concussion.
Remember the emergency rule. Life, limb or eyesight. Potential for loss of any of the aforementioned is taken with the utmost seriousness. They could look and tell with very little effort if he had serious damage. He should sue for Malpractice if he actually is jacked up.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And remember Lamon Brewster had a detached retina
And fought through it for 8 rounds in losing to Lyacovich. With no career ending effects. Not that it means that would always be so. But just an example.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be true..
in the case of the concussion I referenced I had very limited vision in my left eye and the doctor didn’t even mess around with it besides looking at the eye for a second and then saying “it’ll happen sometimes with a concussion” which of course could be because he didn’t see what he needed from that glance to think it was anything to worry about. I’m not a doctor…I’m just saying it is possible.
But the main point stands…none of us know anything for sure so stringing the guy up for standards that we decided to apply after the fact is wrong. Or associating things like a limp with his eye…I can’t figure that out…etc.
And to your point about Brewster…Yes that is true, as is the fact that Israel Vazquez has had three eye surgeries since his third fight with Marquez shows that an eye injury doesn’t HAVE to be career ending. But that being said, some guys have fought through broken arms…that doesn’t mean I expect everyone else to or I question their manhood and claim that their fathers should be ashamed of them..etc.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 29, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's crazy
Is that both Vazquez and Marquez wanna do it again. It should be illegal to let those guys fight again so soon. I think there is slightly noticeable slurring in both guys since the first fight last year.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The fan in me...
is going “FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!” the other part of me though is going “hey guys…no need to do that again…” but they seem to be pretty set on doing it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 29, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just love the logic behind looking for a way out of the 5th round of a fight
that he was clearly winning.
by Razreshat on Jan 29, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Right? Against a guy that had shown absolutely ZERO threat of finishing the fight at any one time in the fight. I really don’t think that Varner all of a sudden figured he was done for after ripping Cerrone apart in the previous 4 rounds with 3 minutes and change to go in the final round.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I care to enter the “was he or wasn’t he faking” argument but Varner was locked in a deep triangle at the end of round 2 and was taking a pretty solid beating in round 4 before the knee ended the fight. To say that there was zero threat of finishing the fight seems disingenuous.
by Day Man on Jan 29, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A REAL example of somebody showing nothing for 4 rounds
Was Santiago vs Misaki. Cerrone could have finished or could have easily had a big round for a 10-8.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 29, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it makes more sense to fake an injury on a winning scorecard than a losing one. Especially when you are gassed and your opponent just took you down, easily, and rocked you with a knee. Fear of getting KO’d in the next three minutes could cause someone to want to end it to their own benefit.
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I was one of the biggest voicers against Varner on this and calling him a liar and an actor…. but honestly, there is no right or wrong in this because the facts aren’t out there completely. Its all heresay at this point. I jumped the gun on the whole situation and formed my opinion until I knew all the facts….. at this point…. I’m going to give Varner the benefit of the doubt until facts come out that prove otherwise.
Cerrone is getting his rematch, so we’ll see before the end of the year and its going to be one hell of a great fight.
by Gunslinger20 on Jan 29, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but honestly, there is no right or wrong in this because the facts aren’t out there completely. Its all heresay at this point.
Exactly. I agree with you 100%. My problem is the people saying “Well, he said he didn’t lie so that settles it.” It proves nothing.
by mythbuster on Jan 29, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it proves nothing
but this is a speed bump in the grand scheme of things when it comes to this situation. Right now, I personally want Varner to be ok and to heal up so that the rematch w/ the Cowboy will happen soon. The end of it left a bad taste in my mouth…. but I know that both of those guys will come out “guns blazing” and put on a great show next time around.
I say get well soon Varner.
by Gunslinger20 on Jan 29, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure most fighters aren’t thinking that way in the heat of battle.
by lbk on Jan 29, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All past experiences and opinions aside...
If Varner’s career is over due to this injury, that is unfortunate. Despite everything that may or may not have happened in his fight w/ Cerrone… he is a world class athlete and its always sad to see a promising career cut short.
by Gunslinger20 on Jan 29, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea if Varner is lying about his eye
or not, but until more facts come out I tend to doubt him given him taking advantage of rules in fights. Example: calling timeout when Mccullough knocked his mouthpiece out.
by dnevil001 on Jan 29, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about Anthony Johnson?
Didn’t he have a detached retina in his first fight w/Kevin Burns? He had surgery & seems to be fine.
by dnevil001 on Jan 29, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Its not a guaranteed end of a career, however a detached retina could very well end his career. I think that was the point of what he was saying.
by Day Man on Jan 29, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know
but hearing him say it after seeing Johnson’s eye virtually ripped on tv it seems like a little much. I would not think as a fighter you would feel the need to even make such a comment about how your career could possibly be over before you have even seen the specialist. Take Corey Hill’s gruesome broken leg-this guy who realistically will not fight again is talking about coming back to the cage.
by dnevil001 on Jan 29, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think..
he may be getting kind of defensive. It wasn’t like Hill or Burns were being called out for shaming their families or being the world’s biggest pussy or whatever. The reaction may have him going a bit overboard trying to prove that he was telling the truth because the only way some people seemed to be willing to accept that he may have been hurt was if his eye was horrible looking the next day or if he was put on the shelf for a while…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 29, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be, but I did not hear
any of that stuff from people until I read this from him. If that is the case then I apologize to him.
by dnevil001 on Jan 29, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also like his
“completely fractured” line about his right index metacarpal. Not just fractured, completely fractured.
by dnevil001 on Jan 29, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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