Quote of the Day: Fedor Emelianenko's Trainer Admits He Undertrained
by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 2:56 PM EST
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"He's obviously got unbelievable potential, but he had some distractions getting ready for this fight. The movie. The commercials. If Fedor wants to keep winning, and winning well, he needs to train professionally. Right now he won with his old tricks.
"The fact that Fedor won, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy about. But he won this fight because of the training before this fight. The experience he had before this fight. The trainers did everything we could to get him ready. But for title fights, we can't train the way we trained for this one."
Vladimir Voronov talking to Sport's Illustrated's Josh Gross
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…and also make sure he’s not wearing Mickey Mouse ears. Yes, it seems like harmless fun, but it can be used against you at a later time.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 26, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and those are not even mickey mouse ears, those are minnie mouse. That is Fedor dressed in drag.
You're right.
Fedor’s dressed in mouse drag.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 26, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
It goes in the file with Amir dressed in drag, Bader and CB dressed as Carebears, and various Seth Petruzelli photos.
Fedor dresses in furry drag.
Your “last emperor,” gentlemen. Our sport is doomed.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I’m sure Arlovski feels great about that!
Hey Andrei, you couldn’t even beat a 1/2 ready Fedor. Sweet!
Don’t kid yourself. The F-man was getting lit up.
by ununkvadrium on Jan 26, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Trainer getting in his fighter’s head (’you’ve gone soft, Rawk! He’s gonna moider ya!’) or legitimate concern?
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 26, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions
From the way that first round was going, it better be the latter.
by Chris Nelson on Jan 26, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
What does it matter?
He’s going to say Fedor is irrelevant until he fights in the UFC. What’s the rush? We already know how it’s going to go down.
i think if dana responed with a no comment, the fedor fanatics would die inside. they live and breathe for what dana has to say about fedor.
dunno about that… Dana already said Arlovski was the only fighter he was sorry to lose. And Dana was impressed with his win over Timmah!
sooner or later Fedor has to end up in the UFC
I think he should and I think he will sometime in the near future. But to suggest that someone with a resume like Fedor Emelianenko’s must “prove” his worth against someone like Lesnar, Carwin or Velasquez is absolutely coloured bias at this stage.
Why not let him clean out what remains of the HW elite outside the UFC and then come to the UFC after these young prospects mature as fighters?
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
I dont think Fedor has to prove he is the best Heavy Weight fighter today or The Best Heavyweight ever so far… or even being the best fighter.
I dont think he has the best case for being the best P4P fighter today or the best P4P fighter in history.
Exactly
He knows Anderson Silva has that crown on lockdown.
Top 3, IMO of course.
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 26, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think its a case of not seeing fighters for a while where you forget how fricken awesome they are. I myself would also like to see Silva go to LHW. So many great fights for him at that. Hes just so precise that I dont see anyone except for GSP beating him at Middle.
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 26, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Who in your opinion is?
I’d say GSP, A. Silva or Penn would be the obvious choices. If A. Silva can move up to LHW and stay dominant it would be hard to argue.
It’s really tough to give p4p to a HW, not sure why but I just find it a hard designation to make. Honestly, looking at the make-up of Fedor, I wonder if he’d be capable of making 205…if he was that would make his dominance at HW that much more impressive.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
You’re right about the problem with the HW designation… The main reason being the most skilled fighters aren’t at heavyweight.
They are now just catching up in skill and being well rounded like the other divisions.
I agree with either GSP or Anderson. I believe Fedor is above BJ in terms of having a case.
You gotta be kidding me...
A rational thought about Fedor? Its about time. Its easy to argue about who if the best at heavyweight right now, but you would be retarded to not have Fedor in the mix. Although I think it is hard to say he is without question the greatest heavyweight because of the fractured nature of the divition, but to be sure he last to wins did wonders at clearing up the questions. He is number one on my list, but argument is still fine. I just think the P4P arguement is a weak one.
Anderson Silva is in no way shape or form the greatest ever.
Perhaps he’s the best P4P now but to be the greatest ever you have to face and defeat numerous credible challengers. Silva might not be fortunate enough to ever have the great tests put in front of him.
That happens. Ask Larry Holmes.
Agree.
That’s why I think we’ll have to see him move up to LHW, there’s just no further challenges for him at 185 right now. Maybe we can see him fight Belfort, Akiyama, Mouassi, GSP (really doesn’t do it for me to beat great fighters in lower weight classes) or W. Silva at 185 or let him jump up to 205 – he looked to have great size and didn’t lose any quickness.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
As impossibale as it is to talk about P4P, it is even harder to compair eras. The way sports evolve and the way games change makes it apples and oranges. Take the late Sammy Baugh as an example, He was a great QB at his time and really got the forward pass going, but was he as great as Brett Farve or Joe Montana? Well, how well did they play defence? How good were they at punting? They don’t/didn’t play both sides of the ball so we just can’t know. Baugh still holds records for punting and had 4 ints and 4 TD passes in the same game (he caught the ints, not threw them). Fighters that did well at torneys are hard to compair with fighters fighting once every three months or less. The world wide expantion of NHB fighting had undoubtly changed the game.
DJ Soma
Didn’t mean to imply you as suggesting this about Fedor, just the notion a number of people seem to have on the situation.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
I was thinking the same thing this morning. When things are bad, you can’t escape him, but Affliction put on a great show and I’m sure he doesn’t want to direct any more attention their way.
by Chris Nelson on Jan 26, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Good point. I just dont see why Dana has to counter program everytime. What happened to growing the sport? It just means more and more money for them anyway.
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 26, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Why share, when you can kill the competition first and then grow the sport according to your own whims?
by ununkvadrium on Jan 26, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
This wasn’t even real counterprogramming.
Spike would be stupid to not air something UFC related on a Saturday night when they know that MMA fans are going to be staying home and watching TV. What are their other options, Manswers marathon?
By that logic
There should be a UFC ppv re-run every single weekend but there isn’t. Too bad theres not though, that would actually be sweet!
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 27, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Curious.
O.k., I get that AA looked good until he got caught. He was setting the pace, he was landing stuff, he was avoiding damage. But did most people really feel like Fedor was in trouble at any point? I know my impression was that AA was doing great, but it never looked like he was legitimately going to finish Fedor and it felt like it was just a matter of time until Fedor either got ahold of him and submitted him or landed a shot exactly like he did.
I guess I understand all of the curious skepticism about Fedor’s performance in this fight. But to me it shows just how much better he is than the rest of the world at that weight class. AA was “dominating” and it still seemed inevitable taht he would lose and he got ktfo inside of the first round. I mean, if knocking AA out cold in the first round with basically one legitimate offensive shot landing in the entire round isn’t impressive enough for people, I don’t know what is.
To me, it looked like Fedor was getting his lunch money stolen and he was looking for a way out. He had a bad look on his face when AA stuffed the takedown. I think he would have felt more comfortable as the fight went on and the longer it went on the more of an edge Fedor had, but I really think Fedor got lucky with the punch. Would he have won anyway? I think that is very likely, but really the stars aligned with that punch. AA was coming forward and Fedor was bouncing off the corner. It also his square right where it needed to be, so maybe calling it luck is a bit much, but I don’t think Fedor even knew AA was throwing a flying knee. He put his head down and threw a big punch.
I disagree. I think Fedor absolutely expected a flying knee there because he’d seen Arlovski throw that same combination in his last couple of fights. I think AA got predictable and paid for it.
That fact that everybody in the world, including Arlovski, was shocked that he threw that knee is evidence to the contrary of the idea that he was being predictable.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 26, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Stuffed what takedown?
Fedor seemed content to keep it on the feet for the fight as far as I recall.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
The clinch was a takedown attempt and AA kept is standing. Fedor was trying to take it to the ground.
Incorrect.
AA attempted a throw, Fedor defended/reversed and almost took him down.
Fedor did not attempt an offensive takedown and you can take that to the bank.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
We did not watch the same fight. You must have watched the other Affliction show headlined by Fedor and AA.
Please one of you show me where Fedor offensively attempted a takedown on AA. Did he attempt to reverse a takedown attempt? Yes. But that exchange was initiated by AA, not Emelianenko.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
I'm actually with them.
Fedor hadn’t started the takedown attempt yet but was trying to gain leverage to set it up. AA tried the takedown first to counter the setup
Gimme 1 Round!
when Arlovski was out striking him 2 to 1 and when fedor couldn’t do anything in the clinch… yeah that’s when I thought he was in trouble.
Then all of a sudden a flying knee 3 feet away and that’s all she wrote.
Out striking 2 to 1 and causing zero damage and negating 1 entire clinch that he initiate…I was sure that the apocalypse was going to be upon us.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
How do you out strike 2-1 in the heavyweight division – in the sport of MMA -where you have 4oz gloves – and are ignorant enough to ASSUME that it caused zero damage?
Did you see any damage?
Fedor never looked like he was rocked, etc. He looked frustrated at one moment and but other than that…absolutely did not see any quantifiable damage.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Because frustration is the standard response when everything is going to plan.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 26, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
it felt like it was just a matter of time until Fedor either got ahold of him and submitted him or landed a shot exactly like he did.
I’d have to agree with you there. It did seem like Fedor was in trouble a bit, but the skeptic in me kept thinking that Fedor would eventually get the fight to where he wanted it, or he’d pull something out of his ass. Which he did. A man as talented as Fedor tends to have an arsenal of weapons to use even when backed into a corner. The only way AA could win was by knocking him out on his feet. Too bad the reverse happened.
His trainer isn’t telling the entire truth. Fedor has an 8-10 week camp. According to reports he returned to Russia for a 7 week camp. Unless he sat around for 2 weeks I don’t see how he had only 1/2 camp for this fight?
Not sure where you read that, but it was pretty widely reported that Fedor would be busy filming a movie until the end of December, which would give him a camp length of somewhere in between 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 weeks.
by a tommy point on Jan 26, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Anti-UFC?
Someone way back up top equated being a Fedor fan with anti-UFC. How about if you are like me? I am a Fedor fan, love UFC, and just happen to be anti-Dana. I love UFC fighters and the majority of their shows. But I would be happy if Dana was never on camera again.
Anti-Dana tends to entail hating the UFC by extension, rather than a mere aversion to seeing him on camera. True Dana haters would hate anyone that was the head of the UFC, because the UFC is just so so evil.
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 26, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I despise Dana and the Fertittas for their business model/tactics.
I still watch the UFC, though. Good fights are good fights.
by a tommy point on Jan 26, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
their business model so far is the only one that is insuring you will continue to have the option to watch MMA.
by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I consider myself a true Dana hater but not UFC
I can’t stand pretty much anything about Dana – too arrogant, gets way too much credit while Joe Silva and the Fertittas don’t get enough, and he wishes he was a fighter and probably uses some type of PED. I also think he has a lot more in common with boxing than he cares to admit.
All that being said, I love all MMA and all the orgs, including UFC. I even liked EliteXC for some of the fights they had.
I have mixed feelings about Dana
When you think about it Dana models his plan just like Vinny Mac and the WWE/“Pro” Wrestling. Any hardcore wrestling AND MMA fan will tell you this. For this I applaude Dana because it works perfectly.
Just like he said about Oscar and Golden Boy Promotions. They dont invest in their show. Oscar could be doing monthly shows as well but he doesn’t. He could have easily put on 3 great matches b4 his fight with Pacman and then get peeps interest in those guys as well but he won’t. Boxing could be alive and very very well but its not. Instead of growing the sport hes greedy as fudge. =/
But then Dana also goes and cockblocks every other major threat by trashing them and counter programming. This pisses me off and does not help the sport grow.
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 26, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hey If Affliction has the right to bid on UFC fighters… and even approach fighters before their contracts were up… then Zuffa has a right to counter program without people bitching about it.
what is affliction doing to grow the sport?
Nothing.
The other day Trump Jr. was trying to hype the “no holds bar” aspect on cnbc…
For years Zuffa has been working diligently to support sanctioning and turning this into a sport. None of these idiots care about the sport.
Yes Zuffa cares about the bottom line… but Zuffa is also the one protecting the sport.
Unless you take into account various idiotic TUF episodes that highlight completely degenerate behaviour that makes the fighters look like uneducated criminals and not professional athletes.
Otherwise I agree 100% with the rest of your thoughts.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Anti ZUFFA
I hate the ownership and won’t give them a dime. Because they are the children of mob bosses and they still run their company the same way. (And probably have no problem making use of the old contacts that are called “Family friends” to them by Frank the 1st)
Gimme 1 Round!
Somehow, I think they’ll manage.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 26, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well, at least you’re honest about being irrational and bitchy.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 27, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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