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The "Old" Vitor Belfort Is Back, And...

Vitor BelfortAfter Vitor Belfort's flash KO win over Matt Lindland the usual round of breathless speculation has begun:

  1. is the 'old' Vitor back?
  2. did the move down to 185lbs unlock his potential at last?
  3. will Vitor re-sign with the UFC and fight Anderson Silva?
  4. Could Vitor be the man to finally dethrone Silva?

Quick answers: 1. yes, he never left. 2. maybe, too soon to tell. 3. possibly and 4. no.

Here's the deal. Vitor Belfort has always been extremely dangerous if you walk into his left hand early in the fight. Lindland cut off the ring, threw an unbelievably awkward left hook and charged right into Vitor's power punch. Further proof that Lindland is no Randy Couture. That was the definition of bad gameplanning.

Getting a flash KO win over Lindland isn't all that either. Dave Terrell did that in 2004 and no one remembers him.

Honestly, Belfort's win over Terry Martin impressed me more. Seeing Belfort gut out a tough fight against a game opponent in the later rounds is much more impressive than another flash quit KO win.

As far as his career prospects. I do agree with those who think Vitor might be headed back to the UFC. He's always been popular with the fans and doesn't need to be introduced to the UFC audience.

The risk factor with Belfort is do you dare give him a build up fight before his title shot? He's the kind of fighter who will let you down in that scenario almost half the time.

In my mind the ideal scenario would be to sign Belfort to the UFC, get Robbie Lawler free from EliteXC and put them into an immediate #1 contender fight. Either way the UFC wins and the resulting title fight could be the one that finally makes Anderson Silva a draw.

I'm not impressed by the return of the "old" Vitor -- the guy who gets quick wins over opponents who charge right into his wheelhouse.

I'm eager to see a "new" Vitor -- a fighter who can sprawl and evade takedowns, a fighter with a strong enough guard to not just survive but be a threat off his back, and most of all a fighter with the heart to go into the championship rounds hurt and still be a formidable offensive force.

Will we see that fighter in the UFC? Its too soon to tell.

UPDATE: Well one person at least isn't losing his head amidst the hype, and that's Vitor himself, from Tatame:

Vitor Belfort – "Next show it’ll be me and Fedor. We’ll see, that could be one of the options. I wouldn’t have to move up much in weight, I just won’t drop any. I’d just fight at my natural weight. I drop at least 10 pounds to fight. I wouldn’t have to drop anything and it would be a good opportunity."

HT Fightlinker

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Terrell gets a bit of a bad rep. He lost in a vacant title fight and won his next bout against Scott Smith. He’s not talked about because his injuries have ended his career.

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

true but

that’s a minor point.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I have no problem witht he jist of this. I’ll go so far as to say that they might as well just do Belfort/Silva right now. He’s a pretty big middleweight, he’s got fast hands, he can wrestle, he has a BJJ black belt. He’s no worse a choice than Leites and he might actually draw some interest, unlike Leites.

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Title shots with no build up are pointless.

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah as opposed to the much anticipated Patrick Cote and Thales Leites title fights.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But they at least have recent fight footage for those, so they can at least try to build up the fights. Belfort would probably get the intro fight to title shot treatment if he comes in and dominates that first intro fight.

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Belfort is a legend. Those other guys are nobodies. I mean, hell, look at what the UFC did with Mark Coleman. There’s a guy who hadn’t won a fight in like 3 1/2 years against anyone, and about eight years since his last meaningful win. And Belfort was a much bigger deal to fans than Coleman.

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Belfort is a pre-TUF legend, who most of the casual fans have no idea about. You don’t sell shit to hardcore fans, you sell it to casual fans.

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They've got a library...

of VERY impressive performances by him that they can draw on for clip shows..etc. that makes him look like a very dangerous fighter.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 26, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it is just me, but I would get skeptical if all of his footage is very obviously dated in a different looking Octagon.

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, Mark Coleman was a pre-TUF legend. Belfort at least fought on the cusp of TUF and has been referred to a billion times. All the good tape on the man they have. Additionally, if he goes out and has a disappointing performance (this is Belfort we are talking about), you lose that fight.

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just...

don’t want to see the Vitor that decided he was a BJJ guy for a few years and let people maul him from the top.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 26, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I always thought of that as a failure to learn to sprawl well more than anything else.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess...

it was just the way that he seemed content to lay on his back without trying anything to get back to the feet.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 26, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that’s a function of having no sweeps or submissions off his back….that and not having much will to win once he’s behind in a fight.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im pretty sure Carlson Gracie wouldnt have given him a Gracie BJJ black belt if Vitor didnt know a bit off his back and maybe a couple sweeps. ;)

YAMATO DAMASHII

by R.T. on Jan 26, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing that matters is that twat lindland not only lost but was “jardined” times 10.

Making that stupid ass documentary all the more asinine… and all the so “called” journalists in there look like complete morons.

I hate that mutherfucker…

by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Tell us how you really feel.
LOL.
I can certainly see how Lindland rubs people the wrong way.
That doesn’t keep me from respecting him as a fighter and wanting to see him get the opportunity to finish his career being paid well and fighting top competition.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh...

and be a little easy on the language

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s right Nate, watch your mouth good sir. ;-)

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jan 26, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DAYUM!

LOL…that was funny because for some reason I’m realizing some complete stranger being pissed off and saying those words out loud.

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Jan 26, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops!

I had a Titoism…I meant visualizing!

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Jan 26, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Vitor needs one more fight with a ranked 185’er and then he can fight for the title.

by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like the idea of him hopping the entire division by virtue of knocking out a 39 year old Matt Lindland. Put him against Marquardt or Maia.

by subo on Jan 26, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brock Lesnar KOed a 45 year old Randy Couture and people are demanding Fedor fight him. Its quite the two way street….

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At least..

Randy was the champ when he was KO’d. Even though he didn’t fight for almost a year. It was still a fair fight. The belt was transferred and thus the right to fight the #1 HW in Fedor. What did Lindland have?

by Johann on Jan 26, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t fight for over a year and the UFC made sure to create a new champ in the interim.

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but 45 yo Randy was coming off a victory over the UFC HW champion, Lindland was coming off a very poor performance over something called a Fabio Negao.

by #5mmafan on Jan 26, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lindland utterly dominated that fight and came very close to winning by submission in the first 30 seconds after he landed a hard punch to open the fight.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, Fabio Negao. You better finish that shit.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 26, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts exactly

by #5mmafan on Jan 26, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Randy Couture > Matt Lindland.

By just a lil bit.

by subo on Jan 26, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

6 years, 20 or so pounds, and 5 UFC championship belts.

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC did cut Lindland to prevent him from potentially winning one. I wouldn’t necessarily blame him on that. He responded by almost beating a guy who won the UFC light heavyweight title.

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lindland was cut because he was an idiot. Hey, let’s blatantly disregard the rules about sponsors and set up a booth to a poker website inside the casino that is housing the UFC event. Wow, that was a wonderful idea!

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lindland beats Randy in appearing in a better movie though.

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Time’s gonna tell which one has more left in the tank. I’m guessing they’re both about as close to E as the other.

by D.Capitated on Jan 26, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He needs one more fight to confirm “he’s the old vitor” or “new vitor” or just basically grew some nuts and can actually win a fight when pushed.

He has or had the Gonzaga syndrome… he needs another fight to see where that is.

by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on the Gonzaga syndrome 100%.

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Jan 26, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vitor going to the UFC

Based on what Affliction paid Vitor (200K), I would think that might be a bit steep for UFC to match out? With some of these new organizations cropping up, you would think that Vitor popularity and current win streak over quality oppenants, he would have no issues securing a much better deal somewhere else. Family first.

by Plissken on Jan 26, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I bet the UFC could make him a very competitive offer and the best part is they don’t have to match Affliction dollar for dollar because they can offer him a longer term contract (would you sign a four fight deal with Affliction? a two fight deal?) and the sponsorship opportunities will dramatically increase.
Even at $50,000/$50,000 Vitor would make more money in the UFC if he wins a couple fights than he would fighting for Affliction.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say DREAM or Sengoku offer him enough to stay well within the six figure guaranteed range. That is, if he even becomes available in the next year.

by smoogy on Jan 26, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love how one flash KO over

an overrated & over the hill wrestler somehow means that Vitor is back? Nate made some great points about the reasons why Vitor never fully lived up to his own hype. He is great when someone walks into his wheelhouse, but has no balls & no will to win no matter what is happening in the fight. Defeating a game Terry Martin not withstanding, this really does nothing to up his stock other than Dana probably laughing his ass off about Lindland getting KTFO’d! This may be enough to shoot up Belfort’s stock enough for the UFC to bring him back, but it does not mean he has earned it other than being a draw.

by dnevil001 on Jan 26, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah i agree that ko’ing Lindland doesnt prove us anything. cuz lets face it, Lindlands striking is terrible. its not even that he has a glass jaw its just that he sucks to bad and is to slow to avoid being caught. I saw that coming a mile away.

by moopwontplay on Jan 26, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Flash KO? No Flash KO is what happened to Andre. Lindland went on a sleepover.

I’d love to see Belfort back in the UFC, if anything it ups the talent at middleweight and is someone who Silva hasn’t destroyed (yet).

by ChillMike on Jan 26, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Flash KO =/= falling in a heap on your face completely unconscious.

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Jan 26, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Id watch that fight!!!!

YAMATO DAMASHII

by R.T. on Jan 26, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Vitor is the one that Tito said was 131 years old.

Which is only kind germane to this discussion, but it did crack me up.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Jan 26, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

“we could give the money to charity I just want to fight Tito.”

YAMATO DAMASHII

by R.T. on Jan 26, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously...

Vitor just got people saying, “man he looks great at middleweight.” Now Vitor’s talking about challenging the top heavyweight in the world? Shit.

by Cannon Jacques on Jan 26, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s almost as though he lacks focus…

by subo on Jan 26, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn’t that be crazy if Belfort was the guy that finally beats Fedor?

by lbk on Jan 26, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Flash Knockout?

i know this is kind of off the point of the post, but my understanding has always been that a flash KO was one in which you were out for a briefly and perfectly fine after just a few seconds i.e. the 2nd AA vs. Sylvia fight. there was nothing “flash” about Lindland’s unconsciousness.

by #5mmafan on Jan 26, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The knock down punch was a flash KO. Lindland’s nap was from the ground and pound that followed.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I thought he hurt him badly with a solid shot and then KTFO’d him with the g’n’p.

Flash KO’s are like Irvin v. Alexander, AA vs. Buentello – where they’re out and then back up in seconds. Like the lights go completely off and back on, more like a power surge. When I think of them, I think of the fighter going out, ref jumping in swiftly and the fighter being conscious and everyone bitching about an early stoppage.

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Jan 26, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

alright alright already

it was one word in a post. its been changed. now shush yo mouf.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beating of deadhorse is over.

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Jan 26, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't you have changed it to...

flash quit quick?

Sorry, I’m an a**hole.

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Jan 26, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i would have prefered the line to read as such…..

“Honestly, Belfort’s win over Terry Martin impressed me more. Seeing Belfort gut out a tough fight against a game opponent in the later rounds is much more impressive than another brutally viscious display of violence, which left Matt Lindland debilitated and me questioning my love off MMA.”

by #5mmafan on Jan 26, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You enjoyed the brutally sticky, syrupy violence? :) (I know it’s not spelled that way either, bear with me)

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Jan 26, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing Lindland knocked out cold actually affirmed my love of MMA. In this sport, often you get to see people you don’t like get punched in the face until they stop moving.

The minutes of him lying motionless I could have done without though.

by iiowyn on Jan 26, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See Houston Alexendar vs James Irvin for the definition of a flash KO..

by lbk on Jan 26, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The one thing that annoys me, as someone who has been following Belfort’s career closely for the last few years, is how people continue to harp on that tired old line about how Vitor is bound to just disappoint everyone at some point. You’d think after four dominant victories in 2007 and 2008, people’s opinions might actually evolve a bit, but I guess a lot of people didn’t see the fights or watch them closely enough. Belfort is a complete fighter who is at his physical peak, and has become very strong mentally. The only real weakness you can point to is that he has been controlled by elite wrestlers in the past, but if you look at his last career loss to Dan Henderson, it wasn’t like he got dominated. He was constantly looking for things off his back and managed to work several sweeps over the course of the fight.

I know a lot of people will scoff at the Anderson Silva matchup because he has been put on a pedestal as UFC champ, but he is still a mere mortal, and Belfort’s skills match up very well with Silva. Neither has ever been knocked out in a fight.

by smoogy on Jan 26, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Scoff at this

Vitor Belfort’s striking is a solid two levels above anyone Silva has faced in the UFC.

by smoogy on Jan 26, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll scoff at that

Rich Franklin’s stand up game is at least comparable to Belfort’s. He’s got longer reach, he uses kicks very well and throws lots of combinations. Franklin’s style is more awkward than Belfort’s (largely because he’s a right hander who fights southpaw) but I think that only makes it more effective.
Franklin hung with Anderson at distance in both fights, it was only in the clinch where he got killed.
Vitor throws straight punches very quickly but only developed a really polished stand-up game in the last couple of years.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I believe in Vitor. His win over Terry Martin was quite impressive and I think the move to 185 was smart. I wouldn’t get too pumped about the Henderson fight because he didn’t manage to DO anything in that fight but at least he didn’t get what they call “Belforted”.
All I was trying to say is that his win over Lindland is nothing unexpected from Vitor, it’s how the Old Vitor always won.
What I want to see is him hang in there and gut out a win in a tough fight against a top wrestler.

by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Paging Nate Marquardt?

by subo on Jan 26, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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