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Larry Merchant Is a Petulant Child

Larry_merchant_234x246_mediumScott Christ over at Bad Left Hook articulates what both reasonable MMA and boxing fans (and fans of both sports) are thinking about Larry Merchant's utterly juvenile comments during last night's HBO boxing broadcast:

I like Larry Merchant, but he and Lampley have got to get over their infantile vendetta against MMA. Look, we get it, you don't like it. Can't these guys take the road that ESPN writer Dan Rafael takes? Rafael has repeatedly stated that he has watched MMA, he understands the appeal, but it's just not for him. That's fine. Lampley and Merchant seem to think this childish sniping is going to change the fact that mixed martial arts has a massive lead in key demographics like 18-34 year old males and, you know, pretty much everyone else besides Latinos and African-Americans and old people that like combat sports still and haven't given up on boxing while grumbling that they don't make 'em like Marciano no more, conflabbit.

I also think it's worth taking issue with the validity of Merchant's suggestion that Oscar was paid $5 million to appear at the Affliction show. According to Bloody Elbow's Michael Rome, the entire Affliction payroll for the performers last night was around $4.6 million, if Fedor's unverified bonus is the $1.3 million that is being reported. Maybe a bit more than $4.6 million.

Are you telling me that in this economy, with a company that is struggling financially and had horrible results selling tickets in Anaheim last night, that Oscar de la Hoya got $5 million at the lowest point of his career since he became a superstar to just sit there? That's more than the entire fighter payroll of that show.

I get the feeling Larry may have been slightly misinformed. No doubt Affliction paid Oscar to appear, but $5 million? Come on.

Also, I have to take some offense as a fan of both sports to Merchant's snide remark and Lampley's shared chuckling because the two would, I will guarantee, use the word "barbaric" or "dangerous" when talking about why they don't like mixed martial arts. I don't care who likes what sport, and I don't really care why they do or don't. It makes no difference in my life. But we're watching a fight on HBO where Antonio Margarito tried to come to the ring, reportedly, with a "plaster-like substance" on his wraps, and MMA is barbaric?

Glass houses, guys.

Memo to Jim and Larry: as my friend Chad Dukes is wont to say, stop making it all about you. Stick to jab-cross, stick and move boxing commentary. That is clearly the only matters over which you hold the slightest level of expertise. You both sound like jilted lovers and at this point, it's all becoming quite unseemly. Please grasp the notion that to describe your opinion on MMA as perfunctory would be an underserved promotion of its actual status. Immediately.

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I was a boxing fan long before I was an mma fan. Of course, I am old, lol.

The thing is, me and my friends used to watch all the boxing we could, including many ppvs. Of course, HBO has been an industry leader for a long time.

The reason i say this, is that we were sick of Merchant and Lampley well before they decided to try and use mma as their whipping stone.

Is Merchant drunk all the time? He rambles on about nothing that has anything to with anything, let alone make any sense.

Why does lampley even have a high profile job like this? Dude is a wife abuser and he should have been let go a long time ago.

While both guys are boxing supporters to the death, nobody has ever bothered to tell them that the way to promote your product, is not to bash somebody else’s, but rather show how your product is great. Apparently that is hard to do with the current state of boxing.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jan 25, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

well said!

by banter on Jan 25, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Jim Lampley call a fight better than anyone else in the business.

I mean Marv Albert still has a job and he has a dirtier resume compared to Lampley.

Merchant is a guy from a different era. The guy is 78. The fact that he is still working and not collecting SS checks is repectable, but ask any boxing fan, and they will tell you that he has gone off the reservation alot of times. Oscar has tried to get him fired.

He is what he is… he is never going to change.

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As far as Lampley’s voice and ability, I agree. But HBO has proven to be hypocritical when it comes to employing spouse abusers. I couldn’t care less about Albert, he is his own topic. I’m not saying that Lampley shouldn’t get a job, he should just have lost this one.

The plain fact regarding mma, is that neither guy is knowledgeable about it, so they as professionals, they should just keep their mouths shut or educate themselves on the topic.

My point is, that IMO, lampley should have been fired and Merchant is long overdue to be out out to pasture. That is just my opinion. But the main point, was this: If I sell a product to you, I will show you several ways that my product is superior and why you should buy it. I won’t tell you to not buy someone else’s product or degrade their product in any way. just simply display to you why my product is superior. These guys never do that. all they do is try to put down the other product.

it is as simple as they hate what they don’t understand.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jan 25, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand and respect your point of view, but who could HBO hire to replace Lampley? Power is a function of scarcity. There isn’t anyone better at what he does. People need to understand that both Lampley and Merchant are institutions there at HBO.

I think an underrated factor is Ross Greenburg. He is the head of HBO Sports, and I think there is a very real dislike between him and Dana. It is well know that they are always at odds with Showtime. Anyways if HBO had some sort of MMA involvement, we wouldn’t hear these outbursts from Lampley and Merchant.

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So they are like politicians.

by iiowyn on Jan 25, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that analogy would be good.

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember it was Oscar who wanted to have a combination boxing/MMA and Ross said… Hell no. This is Oscar you talking about. HBO kisses his ass whenever they get a chance to, so there is some real friction between Ross and Oscar now given that he has ventured into the MMA world.

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As worn by Kassim Ouma

WAR MERCHANT

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 25, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

REC’d hard

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 25, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Merchant is old, he sounds old, and does seem drunk/heavily medicated all of the time. That’s probably a part of his appeal (he does have a big following). Personally, I don’t think he belongs there anymore. Max Kellerman brings a lot more insight, and IMO should replace him permanently.

Lampley: outside of broadcasting he seems like a douche. & his public hate for MMA infuriates me. But there’s nobody better at calling a fight. He just might be the voice of boxing, at least for my generation.

by steak_knife on Jan 25, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is a reason he calls the Olympics too

The guy is the best play by play guy not just in boxing but maybe in any other sport

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 25, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

I look at this the same way when my granddad talks about “that extreme kickboxing with wrestling in a cage”. Another person from an older generation who just doesn’t like MMA and there’s nothing that will change his mind.

by Tonley on Jan 25, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol…my grand pa is convinced that MMA is fake! Nothing my brother and I show him changes his mind. His arguement isn’t that it is brutal or barbaric but that it is staged. I am shaking my head just writing this because of all the heated arguments we have had with the old man over this. He is 87 years old and he offered to knock my brother and I out in our living room so we could feel a “real” punch!

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jan 25, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Old people are awesome.

by Tonley on Jan 25, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you know what's really funny...

….there are some old school wrestlers who will swear up and down, there ain’t one single legit sport on this planet.

by RipeTide on Jan 25, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just being old doesn’t give you a reason to shut yourself into a close-minded way of thinking.

by Mike Fagan on Jan 25, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s especially amazing considering they were making comments about MMA being so barbaric, etc while in the midst of those comments Margarito was taking an insane amount of punishment through 9 rounds in a totally one sided brutal beatdown. Margarito probably took more damage to the brain in those 9 rounds than most MMA fighters take in their entire career.

But keep on taking shots at MMA you boxing fossils.

by lbk on Jan 25, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And the gentlemanly and non-barbaric act of Margarito’s camp using some sort of plaster material in his gloves.

by Mike Fagan on Jan 25, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i personally can’t stand Merchant. Lampley doesn’t bother me. I really just dont even see the need to have merchant there. His post fight interviews are horrible. He can barely speak a sentence. The guy needs to seriously lay off the Liquor during the fights.

by asmiley420 on Jan 25, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For those of us that know and love Larry

That is his appeal. I’ve left many prank messages on my buddies’ answering machines as Larry Merchant. I used to do a MEAN, off-the-cuff impression of his rambling nonsense.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 25, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets not hate on Merchant though guys. The dude has been in the boxing business for YEARS. Nothing is changing his mind at this point. plus, Merchant has always been a classy guy.

by lbk on Jan 25, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Um, fuck Larry Merchant.

by subo on Jan 25, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You come across as an angry man.

by lbk on Jan 25, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have my moments. I do have nothing for contempt for those that demean things they know nothing about. That much I can say.

by subo on Jan 25, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I often feel the need to reply in ST’s like this one, but then I see subo’s already made my case for me.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Jan 26, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the 5 million was what Affliction was paying Golden Boy not what they were paying ODLH just to be in the crowd and them paying Golden Boy that much to produce the event would make more sense. Of course I missed Merchant’s actual comments I just saw the quote online.

by who me on Jan 25, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I love this.

More publicity during boxing events – free I might add. You couldn’t buy that kind of publicity!

It seems to me that more and more of boxing’s ‘respected’ guys are coming out and speaking out about MMA, in terms of ‘its not hurting boxing’ or whatever… clearly seems to be though. All you have to look at Oscar De La Hoy’s face after the Fedor/AA fight and its hard to not lipread ‘WOW!’…

Memo to Larry – keep saying what you’re saying on air my man…

by constantin3 on Jan 25, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree man. What Merchant is doing is nudging people who have never watched MMA and know nothing about it closer and closer to watching it. You keep hearing all these negative rants and sooner or later you’re going to want to see what all the fuss is about. Some may stay, some may go. But you’re still getting people to tune in.

by Pete Smart on Jan 25, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

at this point...

…..it just shows both guys age. They are now just a parody of themselves (John Madden, TURDUCKEN, BOOM, BUY MY GAME")

He takes forever to make his point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJcdH3jdpzU

by RipeTide on Jan 25, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

love the sinister laugh at the end

by nitro on Jan 25, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Its does tend to make old time boxing enthusiasts look a bit worried

the way they keep taking unprovoked shots at MMA.

Personally, I don’t think there truely is room for both sports, at least not at an extremely high level…and MMA appears to be on the way up and boxing looks like it is slowly dying. Actually, it has been for alot longer than MMAs been around, but its just become that much more obvious now.

by Razreshat on Jan 26, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

They are both niche sports and as much as we want to believe they aren’t, they are…

 

by Zocalo on Jan 26, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you watched Braveheart… In the Beginning the english king was having problems with the Scots (scotland) he was occupying with his army… so he decided to just breed them out.

He enacted a law which gave every english lord the rights to fuck a newly married scottish wife for the first night… so eventually the eldest children would be english.

Well UFC is breeding boxing out.

If you take 30 people and put them in a room with 2 tv’s (one with boxing and one with the UFC) it is amazing where the visual attention is focused on…

This is the case in every generation up to the early thirties and then it decreases as you go older.

UFC is breeding boxing out.

by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I never understood the logic from MMA fans that think that their sport is correlated to boxing.They are different sports. It is the narrow mindness that insults both fans.

by Zocalo on Jan 26, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of course it’s correlated…

Before when an individual wanted to get into or experience a combat sport they primarily had boxing.

Now they have the UFC.

And focus grouping shows UFC is the predominant favorite amongst fresh eyes.

UFC has little impact on boxing’s existing fans but a major impact on boxing’s potential new fans.

Its different with pro-wrestling.

UFC has little impact on pro-wrestling’s new fans but a decent impact on pro-wrestling’s maturing fans.

by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well you are wrong, if you want to think differently… fine, but don’t expect people to think you are correct.

Boxing has always been an ethnic sport and will never lose those fans. Hell, this past Sat, Hispanics set a Staples Center record in attendance, while 30 mins away at a loaded MMA PPV, the organizer were papering the event. I don’t know how many times it needs to be said that they reach different demographics because they are different sports. Boxing has ethnic groups like Hispanics, certain Asians groups and Jews because boxing part of their culture. I don’t even need to point out how big boxing is in Europe esp in England and Germany. MMA core fanbase are ex wrestling fans.

by Zocalo on Jan 26, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Amateur Wrestling fans.

And Judo fans.

And Muay Thai fans.

Never underestimate martial arts fans. Because there are a hell of a lot out there.

by RoyalB on Jan 26, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And even if it is ex-sports entertainment fans, they basicly left because the produce by way of technique sucks.

by RoyalB on Jan 26, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, why do you think it’s part of their culture?

It used to be part of the american white culture also…

Riding horses used to be part of every ones culture until the car came out…

The old folks didnt accept the car and insisted there is nothing better than a horse and carraige – the younger ones accepted and used the car.

The old guys died and now no one uses horses to travel.

Same way all of these guys will be breeded out… Focus group data rarely lies.

by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

“Focus group data rarely lies”

Eh, that depends on who is running the group. A previous job of mine was running focus groups and dial sessions and i can tell you there is a ton of bad focus groups being run by a lot of people even with acceptable credentials.

I believe in the power of focus groups, but only in the most capable hands.

by Luke Thomas on Jan 26, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right…I should have said my focus group data rarely lies.

most of the time when it doesn’t work it’s run by noobs, they are trying to get data you can’t get through focus grouping, or even the experiment is rigged to “create” the data desired.
 
You can ask the same question 2 different ways and get 2 different answers from the same person…

Physical response is the most accurate data you can get in focus grouping.

Right now you can walk into a wall mart and you’ll be part of a focus group and not even know it.

by mmalogic on Jan 26, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats… you couldn’t have made a worse point.

I am sorry that you are not a part of boxing culture and that you are too obtuse to realize that some people actually like it more than MMA.

by Zocalo on Jan 27, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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