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Was Andrei Arlovski "Supposed" to Win?

Fedorbeatsarlovski_medium Technically speaking, I was prepared to award the round to Arlovski had he continued to frustrate Fedor on the inside with angles and on the outside with push and leg kicks. Those elements of his gameplan were working sufficiently at the time. But does that mean Arlovski "would've won had it not been for the flying knee"? I have my doubts.

First, there can be positively no argument that Arlovski's chin will forever remain a liability as long as he is fighting at the elite MMA level. His ability to absorb a shot is not horrible and his considerable skill and athleticism always make capable of being a serious challenge to anyone in the division. It's not as if his chin is so weak that therefore there's a ticking time bomb scenario that forces Arlovski to get the fight over as soon as possible or face inevitable defeat. But his chin will likely keep him from reaching the zenith for the duration of his career and possibly even cause problems against fervent challengers. Fighters with considerable power, accuracy and the ability to work inside of Arlovski's range are forever going to be problematic for the Belarussian. And that is precisely why the argument that Arlovski was sure to win this bout had it not been for a reckless flying knee for with his hands down is false. Fedor and Arlovski were exchanging in the pocket, committing more than I thought either man would. It is entirely reasonable to suggest that Fedor - with the same reach as Arlovski - would've been able to land a similar shot during the course of the fight even without the flying knee. To place singular emphasis on one exchange as make or break does not adaquetely respect either Arlovski's liabilities or Fedor's ability.

And that leads to the second point: Fedor's ability. It's clear that in terms of boxing, Fedor was outmatched (although it's not like that was some massive secret prior to the bout) last night. Fedor was clearly having difficulty with Arlovski's accuracy, angles and distance. But that has little or nothing to do with inevitability. First, the notion that Fedor has a noteworthy history of rebounding from precarious situations has already been explored but deserves reiteration. Second, Fedor may not be able to win in a boxing match (with leg kicks) against Arlovski, but he can more easily win a MMA bout. There is a serious lack of respect for the offensive diversity of Fedor's MMA attacks even within a single bout. Rarely do we see the Russian purely strike or work immediately for takedowns as if to telegraph his aims. He has been known to work against opponents' strengths, but even then most of Fedor's fights involve the true variety of the offensive MMA gamut. And in that space and that diversity, Fedor is lethal. When Arlovski decided to throw a knee, all of boxing was abandoned. All of Freddie Roach's insistence that Fedor's terrible punches and flat-footedness would be his undoing were turned on its head. Instead, we witnessed Fedor making use of timing, power and accuracy in true MMA fashion. The punch Fedor threw was not aesthetically pleasing per se, but as he is so capable of doing, Fedor made use of his short frame to extend the length of his arm and body enough to land a devastating power shot while neutralizing Arlovski's attack before it could essentially get started.

Clearly, Fedor is as human as any other fighter with technical foibles that can be exploited by opposition. But Fedor's offensive diversity, speed and power are tailor made for the brackish,  choppy waters of MMA. The idea that there was some inevitability about Arlovski winning is grossly off the mark as is the idea that there can be a singular blueprint to defeat the Russian. Yes, some tactics work better than others as we witnessed last night, but you cannot fight Fedor solely on the terms where he isn't as good as his opposition. In a MMA fight, control is a precious commodity. And a fighter like Fedor - who is extremely good at most things, and capable in virtually everything - controlling him to the point where he is unable to do only what you want him to do is an illusion. To defeat him, you have to match his well-roundedness with yours. It is possible but highly unlikely you are going to lord your skill set over his no matter the perceived disparity in ability.

Could Arlovski have won? Yes, he was winning the first round before he was stopped and clearly had the edge in striking from the outside. Had he been able to dictate the exchange and slow the pace down to where he was setting the rhythm, he had a very legitimate shot. But the idea that because he was winning early meant there was some sort of inevitability to the whole affair is entirely too misguided. The truth is we don't actually know what would've happened after Arlovski's last push kick. Perhaps another exchange would've floored either man or the bout could've turned into a five round grappling affair. The point is that for all of Arlovski's talent, there is a reason he lost last night as there is one Fedor won. In the end, like a heavyweight Denis Kang, Arlovki's liabilities did him in while Fedor's strengths saved him again. That is neither luck nor coincidence.

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i am trying to think of a fight with AA where he was rocked or had spaghetti legs and was able to recover. and this guy is going to be a professional boxer, thats laughable.

by #5mmafan on Jan 25, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Some people just don’t react well to being punched.

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I sure dont :)

by pud333 on Jan 25, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coach Roach

Doesn’t teach the flying knee. All Arlovski’s boxing training is moot the second he leaves form, flying knees are not in boxing forms. Andrei had no business using it. AA has a history of putting a guy in serious trouble, than getting over eager and having to wake up. Couple of his previous ko’s came the same way. Tim Silvia 2 ect.
I was rooting for Fedor myself, so I was glad to see his one hitter quitter stop Andrei. My wife wasn’t too happy though, oh well.

by Tommy7 on Jan 25, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tommy is right...

Unless Arlovski learns to control his emotions he will always fall into this trap. His patient, in and out boxing was working well. Then all of a sudden he seemed to think “I’m winning!” and rather than the next though being “keep doing what you’re doing..we’ve got this” it was “AAAAAHHHH! FLYING KNEE!”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 25, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

*thought not though

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 25, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brent, how many other folks have commented on that look on Fedor’s face that you saw? I think I saw it too, where Fedor went from losing an exchange to…something else. It was really weird and I was wondering what you think that it was?

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jan 25, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think..

it was just a moment of frustration. Nothing too shocking or dramatic…but interesting

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 25, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never saw it before this fight. I’ll admit that I’m rather new to the sport, but I’ve seen Fedor’s fights with Mirko, Hunt, and many of his other PRIDE fights (and his Arona fight in Rings), and I’ve never seen him like that. He’s been in much worse positions and I’ve never seen it before. I agree, it is definitely interesting.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jan 25, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean after he takes the kick? It looks like Fedor ‘flopped’ in the sense that he acted more hurt than he was. Emelianenko is kicked then stumbles backwards into the ropes, looks in pain, with hands dropped. Arlovski gets excited and began his hurdle towards Fedor to be count-punched. The facial expression by Fedor is not much but I think he baited Andrei in this moment.

by layups on Jan 26, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is a saying in boxing, that you are only as good as much as you the other opponent lets you. Fedor for the most part never lets his opponent to really impose their will on the fight. All it takes is one f’up, and it could be over in a MMA fight and Fedor does this as well as anyone in the sport. We can say that Andrei could have won, but we are thinking about hypotheticals. He has to fight in a way that he just isn’t real comfortable doing over the long hull.

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Minus the knee I doubt we would be watching a replay of the Sidellnikov fight, with Fedor out of options, especially with 5 rounds. I just can’t help but wonder whether Fedor watched videos and prepared to counter the flying knee, similar to how Evan’s prepared for Liddell’s ‘no defense uppercut.’

by Graven Image on Jan 25, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

if you watch the replay, it appears to me that Fedor begins throwing the right, that ends the fight, before AA is throwing the flying knee. it’s only a matter of milliseconds, but to me it looks like he threw the punch and AA just jumped right into, not a matter of seeing the knee coming and reacting.

by #5mmafan on Jan 25, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

that is my problem with the knee. Arlovski has good hand placement when he is boxing and gives up his hands to throw the knee…leaving himself without any defense to the incoming punch.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 25, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is the undisputed #1 HW in the MMA world, that is not debatable. But i still dont think he is as good as everyone claims. He’s basically undefeated, finished 2 UFC former champs in round 1 and is undeniably a monster in the ring. With all that being said when i watch him fight i dont see the #1 P4P fighter.

by #5mmafan on Jan 25, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Spot on Post!

AA did show a possible recipe for beating Fedor:

*score points
*don’t get punched
*don’t get taken down
*don’t try to finish the fight
*just try to survive

If you follow all this, you might get a decision victory.

I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.

by mma_dude on Jan 25, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think this strategy is doomed to fail, because Fedor can take a shot and has KO power, its just a matter of time before he catches you. IMO, the way to beat him is very similar to the strategy GSP will use against BJ. control on the ground, followed with more control on the ground, while at the same time staying calm and out of arm bars. the problem is most fighters who are strong enough to control Fedor are not quick enough on the ground and those who can match his speed on the ground are not strong enough to keep him there. the perfect guy to execute this game plan would have to be a huge, strong fighter with a wrestling pedigree who posses some knowledge of submission defense.

by #5mmafan on Jan 25, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is alot to ask for…. you are correct when you say you might but that doesn’t mean that person will get a decision victory.

It will take a very special fighter to impose their will on Fedor.

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But…but he was winning. lol. Nice write up, Luke. Only thing that made me think AA would have gone on to win is that “Fee-uh-door”, did look a bit off up until that knee.

I still want a rematch, and a Fedor/AA 2 would only help Affliction by providing a sense of history in the promotion. They could easily promote the fight by saying exactly that. AA was winning, unlike Timmys destruction where he did nothing.

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see a rematch for sure. I know what would happen though. Arlovski will be waking up again. He may have looked good last night and momentarily confused Fedor, but he was still ko’ed. I agree with this article in the fact to assume AA was gonna win the fight without the flying knee is silly. Fedor was getting to him sooner or later in the fight. That’s part of Fedor aura, not that he can go through a fight unharmed, but that he can taking a licking and keep on.. Now AA knows Fedor can one punch ko his ass, and so does Fedor. People fight different with that knowledge. AA would fight Fedor again he’d fight more tentative than Tim Silvia vs Arlovski 3.

by Tommy7 on Jan 25, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To those calling for a rematch....

I say that’s absurd. Arlovskis chin is made of pudding. To say he was winning the fight and that he somehow unlocked the secret mystery to beating Fedor, that’s equally ridiculous. Fedor was just looking for his opening. Sylvia gave it to him earlier for Arlovski it took about 3 minutes. Consider this , most fighters try to block a flying knee. Fedor made no attempt to block, but struck back with finality.

by nitro on Jan 25, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

“Fedor made no attempt to block, but struck back with finality.”

Fedor threw that punch before Arlovski even jumped. Why would he block something that wasnt even there yet?

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a 12 pack may have clouded my memory, but as i recall Fedor threw as AA was mid air

by nitro on Jan 25, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love fightreport.com and all their high quality gifs

by Zocalo on Jan 25, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you sir are correct

by #5mmafan on Jan 25, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

This is what everyone has missed, and Fenix hits right on the head. Arlovski hadn’t even jumped yet and Fedor was countering with a huge overhand. The fact that AA was in midair was because of his momentum. It’s about time some intelligent fans came to the conversation.

Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com

by Leland Roling on Jan 25, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s not much left to say; Andrei is a moron. If he had stuck to a sprawl and brawl mindset, he could have won the fight. He was frustrating Fedor with his handspeed, hell, he even tried to take HIM to the ground. He could have won a decision, or a TKO from accumulation of punishment. He pulled the trigger too early. Complete lack of discipline on Andrei’s part. A shame, really. He had a good shot at derailing Fedor; instead he made him look like even more of a Mythological figure.

by Cmad77 on Jan 25, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You can make your point without calling Andrei a moron.

by Luke Thomas on Jan 25, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad...

I’m just kind of dissapointed that he lost, as you can probably tell.

by Cmad77 on Jan 25, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m dissapointed that he made that grave a mistake. It would have been border line unreal coolness to see that fight go deep. Now, all I got to see was a guy digging his head down and winning by a hail Mary. It leaves a sense of unfulfillment…

by ununkvadrium on Jan 25, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hail Mary? Really? Andrei got predictable and Fedor countered appropriately. There was nothing lucky there.

by FRANKIE on Jan 26, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This fight was going to the ground

Fedor spent the first three minutes trying to telegraph Arlovski’s kicks, so he could catch a leg and drag him to the ground. The first time around I thought he was losing his mind with that herky-jerky motion. But, then I saw what he was going for. Fedor looked bad on the feet, because he didn’t want the fight there. I think he’s lucky he didn’t catch a knee in the face while leaning over. And I think that’s what Arlovski was trying to do, catch him telegraphing and do as much damage as possible while on the feet (and while Fedor was against the ropes). In hindsight, he probably should have stayed on the outside, picking his shots. But, as everyone is saying, you don’t get even one mistake against the “baddest man on the planet.”

by Jaydoggydog on Jan 25, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well written article.

Wags

by DocWagner on Jan 25, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post, Luke

Finally, a write-up about the Fedor – AA fight that isn’t mired in the delusions of the author that Fedor was on his way to a sure loss.

Was AA controlling the fight with his quickness? Yes. Did he have Fedor flustered a bit? Yes.

However, he didn’t “dominate” the fight or land nearly as many clean shots as people are claiming.

by a tommy point on Jan 25, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

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by Leland Roling on Jan 25, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have re-watched...

I have rewatched this fight 3 times now, and I don’t see at any point where Fedor was “caught” or “dominated”. It’s unbelievable how fans all over the place are saying AA “hurt” him. AA was definitely quicker, but somebody point out to me at what exact minute:second that Fedor was hurt.

Oh wait… he never was.

Secondly, Fedor didn’t look perplexed by AA’s style. Yes, his quickness was definitely a task to get past, but at no point did Fedor look as if he had no clue what to do.

It’s incredible how much hate is circulating.

This has nothing to do with the article though. Great post, Luke.

Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com

by Leland Roling on Jan 25, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is my favorite but has anyone thought that he is getting older...

He has been known as super quick (against Noguiera, etc…) but really looked slow last night. He could even be getting tired of fighting. One can stay on top for only so long regardless of age - look at Federer in tennis - only 26 and suddenly beatable. In terms of this one fight, the 5 rounds probably would have helped Fedor but he could easily have lost via a bad cut. Sooner or later he will lose, even if still at his peak - it’s the nature of the sport. And there are just too many fighters who are too good and can knock you out with one lucky kick or punch - especially heavyweights. Still, he has been the best for the last 5 years at least and won’t be equaled for a very long time.

by akula on Jan 25, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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