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Why I'm Picking Andrei Arlovski

Andrei arlovskiThe main event of tomorrow night's Affliction: Day of Reckoning show is being treated by many as nothing more than a foregone conclusion.  Fedor is the greatest heavyweight in the history of the sport and Andrei Arlovski is a guy who lost to Tim Sylvia...twice.  Obviously it is very easy to look on the surface and see Fedor as the beast that he is while looking at all the flaws of Arlovski.

But there is a wild card here whose importance can not be overlooked...Freddie Roach.  Obviously Roach is a boxing trainer and may be seen as somewhat limited in his ability to gameplan for an MMA fight, but you can not overlook Roach's ability to see the way a fight will unfold and help prepare his fighters with an appropriate plan of attack.  When Roach has been publicly calling out Fedor's striking he is doing so because he can look at tape of Fedor and see the problems.  Fedor is fairly flat footed and he does fall into patterns.  Of course he does so many things well that it is hard to capitalize but if there is anyone who can come up with a plan to beat someone on the feet it is Roach.

When you look at the work that Roach does with boxers, he builds every fight around his guy's strengths and develops simple but effective plans that his fighter can follow without too much thought. One look at the Pacquaio vs. De La Hoya fight will show you how good he can be at this.

The gameplan I figure we're going to see from Andrei will be unappealing at times but I think it will be effective.  Watch for him to be on the balls of his feet, abandon all kicking and using his long arms to throw jabs or 1-2 combinations and then getting out before Fedor can throw a looping (but very powerful) return shot.  If he can get through the first round doing this Fedor's nature as an aggressive fighter will take over which is when part two of the Arlovski plan will kick in which will feature a few more jab/hooks and lead uppercuts at which point I expect to see Fedor's legs buckle and Andrei to pounce and finish the fight.

So to be clear; I'm picking Andrei Arlovski by TKO in the 2nd round on the strength of Freddie Roach's boxing and "avoid the clinch at all costs" planning.

Of course I could be wrong and we may see Andrei slammed through the mat, pounded out or submitted.  I'm feeling pretty confident though that we're not going to see Andrei beat on the feet. Here's hoping I'll be back on Sunday morning with a smile and a "toldja so."

Updated comment:  Disagreeing and thinking that Arlovski's takedown defense is suspect is all well and good but the revisionist history when it comes to the Roy Nelson fight has to stop.  All of the "Roy Nelson took him down at will" talk is just insane.  Nelson spent most of the fight with Arlovski against the cage working for a takedown and did not get a single takedown in the fight...NOT ONE.  There was one takedown in the fight which was BY Arlovski.  Nelson rolled him as they hit the ground and ended up on top.  It was not a failure by Arlovski to stop the takedown.  His TD defense in the fight was actually solid and got the job done.  Obviously Fedor is a more explosive fighter than Nelson, but that doesn't mean you get to rewrite history just to boost your argument.

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I guess my question Brent is, given Arlovski’s complete inability to stop anyone’s takedowns who ever tries them against him, what makes you think he can stop Fedor’s?

by Michael Rome on Jan 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey man, Roy Nelson is LEGIT.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jan 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was going to be my question.

If this were to strictly stay on the feet ala Lytle vs Davis, I would pick AA. So unless he does indeed catch Fedor & finish him, I see Fedor eventually abandoning the standup completely & just taking AA down at will with GNP or submission to finish. I just do not see Fedor standing the entire fight if he is losing that aspect. If AA does catch him he damn sure better pounce quickly to finish or he will for sure be taken down.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would think it's going to be a matter...

of movement over an attempt at “wrestling” Staying outside, using movement and never getting caught against the ropes is key here. I think he can do it…but shit…I could be wrong.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man I would

love to see him able to avoid those takedowns so we can see a great standup battle, but he has not been very unsuccessful in that respect so far in his career.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so not only does he have to avoid the takedowns but Fedors full arsenal of striking…

My opinion is: this is what gives Fedor the advantage on the feet.

When you have Fedors takedown ability, striking ability and knowing the likelihood of what will happen once you are taken down…. The best boxing and foot work wont do shit.

Yes, Arlovski’s best chance is on the feat – I believe he is still at a disadvantage though… just to a lesser extent.

Even if Arlovski starts to get the better of it on the feet, Fedor will change gears and take him down.

No way Arlovski breaks Fedor down with his strikes and foot work.

The only shot arlovski has is a one punch knockout or a bad cut.

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Am I reading this right? Are you picking Fedor in a one-sided ass-whipping of one of the best UFC heavyweight champs of all time?

by Kid Nate on Jan 23, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

logic has consistently stated that Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 23, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also: evidence.

But who listens to that crap? WAR SAPP!!!

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by jemaleddin on Jan 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a bias towards the reality…

The best decisions are made when the true reality is understood.

People think Im a Zuffa shill because of what I post… What I post just happens to be reality – some people don’t see it, dont like it, dont understand it or lie to themselves so they don’t have to believe it.

My thinking, advice and counsel is so valuable because it is all based on a bias for reality.

Now the following is just my opinion and it may be validated to a certain extent on saturday:

I believe Fedor is even better than his pride legacy portrays…

Why? because most everyone he was fighting there was pumped full of shit (drugs, painkillers, etc…) right before their fights… Meaning they were harder to knockout, harder to hurt, freakishly strong, and even though he looked good – he didn’t look as good as he should have.

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The best decisions are made when the true reality is understood.

This just in: mmalogic is Bodhidharma.

by Rundownloser on Jan 23, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My only quibble is that there are two arguments against believing Fedor is truly that great:

1) His history of constantly pulling out of fights due to injuries. Health is a component of greatness, IMO, and if Fedor were put to a constant barrage of top contenders, that weakness would be exposed.

2) His history of fighting cans. One can be a truly great fighter, and still get caught, given enough opportunities for his opponents. GSP, for instance, has basically fought a murderer’s row of opponents his entire career in the UFC, and Hughes and Serra caught him. When a guy like Fedor avoids constantly fighting elite guys, and many of the top fighters he does fight have obvious and exploitable holes, it raises the question: if he fought top fighters his whole career, would one or two of them have managed to catch him?

Now, I believe Fedor IS ridiculously good, and he’s gonna murk Arlovski. But I wonder how good he’d seem to be if he’d had a better strength-of-schedule over his career.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 23, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good points…

On point 1 – this is partial evidence he wasn’t juicing… which makes his pride performances even more impressive.

i was with you on point 2 until he destroyed Tim Sylvia.

Right now HOW great he is – we can only speculate.

But I dont think anyone else has a better case of being the #1 heavyweight at the moment.

Now p4p is a different matter which as you pointed out he hasn’t proven because he hasn’t consistently fought ranked competition.

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i was with you on point 2 until he destroyed Tim Sylvia.

What, paper-chinned Tim Sylvia?

Fedor is clearly #1 at HW. But how GREAT he is we still don’t know. I think he might be something like Ty Cobb- a truly great player who looked better than he was because everybody else playing was shit.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 23, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now Tim Sylvia has a paper chin?

What is with people who have the following logic -

- “Fighter X isn’t as good as the hype until he beats fighters like Fighter Y.”
- Fighter X beats Fighter Y
- “Whatever, Fighter Y is never any good anyways.”

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by The_Gaijin on Jan 23, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please. There are tons of fighters in the UFC and elsewhere who have never once been dropped in the first minute of their fight. Tim has had it happen 3 times in his last 11 fights. You may not want to recognize a trend, but I sure can.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 23, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

X = Mir, Y = Nog

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree we dont know for sure exactly how good he is…

He has yet to fight a really good wrestler with a good submission game… and good striking for that matter (which coincidentally UFC has a few of) .

That’s when the weight and size issue will come into play as he’s really only a 205lb fighter.
 
My opinion is that he is actually better than what he has accomplished primarily because japan doesn’t test for drugs.

We will get a glimpse soon enough whether my hypothesis with him is on the right track or not.

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Arlovski has displayed fairly good takedown defense against the doubles and singles of O’Brien, Rothwell, and Nelson. However, I don’t know how well that will translate against the trip/clinch takedowns of Fedor. I just haven’t seen him go up against them enough.

Also, Arlovski was the one that took down Nelson, it’s just that he was almost instantly swept. I think that is another major concern for him on the ground: his offensive submissions are lacking and his GNP is nothing to write home about, while Fedor has good sweeps.

by Rundownloser on Jan 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“..but you can not overlook Roach’s ability to see the way a fight will unfold and help prepare his fighters with an appropriate plan of attack.”

How many times has Roach helped a fighter prepare for a MMA bout? That is why I overlook his ability in this area.

I don’t doubt he is great in boxing and preparing people for bouts in boxing, but he seems to ignore the fact that Fedor may be lacking footwork from a boxers point of view, but even if Arlovski lands a few good shots, there is not much in the way to stop Fedor from taking the fight to the ground.

And once it is on the ground, Roach is no longer a factor at all.

by DirtyML on Jan 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I must say, if Roach is putting together his gameplan for this fight, it’s a very bad thing. The man can barely name an armbar.

I suspect Fedor will win this thing everywhere it goes. There’s something about the threat of other things in MMA that can make striking more effective. The threat of clinch and takedown from Fedor is part of what makes his striking so effective. How does training with Roach for boxing footwork help at all for avoiding trips?

by Michael Rome on Jan 23, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree somewhat. As long as AA can stay out of the clinch he can definitely pull it off.

I’m picking Fedor though.

by Tonley on Jan 23, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

These are my thoughts as well. There really isn’t a takedown threat from the outside (e.g. doubles and singles), it’s all in the clinch—so if Arlovski can avoid the clinch with footwork and distance, then he can pull it off. I just don’t think he’ll be able to do so for the entire fight. A round? Probably. The entire fight? Nah.

by Estrada on Jan 23, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like you Brent....

And I like Roach a hell of a lot in the boxing world. But it’s ridiculous to think Arlovski has anything more than a puncher’s chance here. I like Arlovski too but not against Fedor. Ever.

by frickshun on Jan 23, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I could obviously be wrong...

My job at this site is to tell you guys what I think. SO yeah…I’m leaving myself open to look like an idiot. But oh well…that’s the life of an honest man ;)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm right there with ya Brent...

I put 50 bucks on Arlovski for the upset… so no doubt I could very well be with you Sunday morning saying that I’m an idiot… plus I’ll be 50 bucks poorer.

by Gunslinger20 on Jan 23, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with ya also.

I got Arlovski winning too.

I could use all kinds of logical arguments why it shouldn’t happen but I’m going with the logic of Brown beat Faber. I’m going with the logic of Mir beat Big Nog. Simply put I’m going with the logic that upsets happen all the time and it’s gonna happen again when Arlovski beats Fedor.

by mattman73 on Jan 23, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Should be the toughest fight for Fedor since Cro Cop, that being said…

Freddy Roach also thought that Bernard Hopkins was done against Kelly Pavlik, even openly stated that he was worried for his health. Freddy is a great trainer but he is as good as filling a promotional role as just about any trainer out there. Too many people let their opinion get swayed by Freddy Roach soundbite. When you have someone like Manny Pacquiao to follow your gameplan, you’re going to be right a lot.

Besides, it getting pretty obvious that Andrei is making the crossover to boxing. He’s going after the huge paydays while they are still there, same way Anderson Silva has made noise about doing it. Andrei has publicy talked about boxing on HBO before and is rumored to be signed by Golden Boy, Dana White has commented that fighting on HBO was a sticking point in his negotiations with Andrei, and Andrei avoids the question everytime it is presented to him. If he has his sights on his boxing career, is he fully prepared for someone who is considered to be the most dangerous ground and pound fighter in the sport, with great subs to boot?

by jrd2312 on Jan 23, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Roach...

has ALWAYS been very outspoken about older guys fighting. He calls for guys retirements after a single bad beating. I don’t think the Hopkins/Pavlik thing was too bad, Hopkins was just amazing on that night.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love you Brent

And I say this feeling very comfortable with my masculinity. I hope that the fight does indeed go the way you predicted man.

WAR ARFUCKINGLOVSKI!!!!!

:P

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The updated pic looks nice! It’s like he’s quoting me! :)

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No argument there. Roach understands better then anyone the consequences of taking a beating too many. He cares about fighters.

Andrei wouldnt be first person to try and keep distance between Fedor. It would be a lot easier to do in the vast space of the Octagon then in a ring. Fedor is as good as getting a step on you to the inside as anybody out there. A quick punch and he is there. I think Andrei can do it, but he has to be pretty much flawless and capitalize as soon as Fedor is in range.

by jrd2312 on Jan 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor fights against strengths

I think the one thing that AA has going for him is that Fedor likes to fight his oppenents at their strengths….so if Fedor thinks he can stand and beat AA then I give a big chance for the Pitbull to once again become the best HW in the world.

by jgersh on Jan 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that,

but unless he stops Fedor I do not see Fedor continuing to stand if he is getting drilled all night.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a myth…

He didnt fight Hong Man Choi at his strengths… or Semmy.

He fights where he sees openings.

And he’s the best at seeing openings.

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Again?
Are you clearing this with someone or are you off the reservation?
Don’t get yourself fired my man.
; )

by Kid Nate on Jan 23, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha.

Did you know we are in high demand, Laura?

by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

see my reply above :)

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean Fedor’s on his way to UFC, mayhap? ^^

by ununkvadrium on Jan 23, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell are Hong Man Choi’s strengths? I guess you are correct, Fedor didnt fight on stilts….thats about all Choi has going for him.

by jgersh on Jan 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If AA does pull this off

would he stay w/MMA or jump straight into boxing for the huge payday awaiting him after stopping the top MMA hw?

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can’t help but think that either way he’s heading to boxing and for the long haul. His jiu-jitsu coach was lamenting the fact that Arlovski doesn’t train with him much anymore, the paydays are bigger, he’s already signed to Golden Boy for some fights, and Roach is hyping him like crazy. Win or lose, I suspect he won’t be back to MMA for a while.

by Rundownloser on Jan 23, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right,

if he does pull this off I believe he will be done with MMA.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not yet

there is no chance he passes up a potential move back to the UFC against the HW champ if he wins. there is no chance he gets a boxing title shot until he fights a few boxing matches. the boxing world isnt going to be that excited about him coming to boxing.

by jgersh on Jan 23, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just meant short term,

he could cash in huge in a fight or two if he stops Fedor.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Serious question...

Does Arlovski have the chin to be a legit HW boxer?

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Jan 23, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on if you respect Sylvia’s punching power.

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not even close

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Klishtcko doesnt have a chin either and he’s considered the best heavy weight in the world.

He’s the size of a fucking tree though…

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

could arvloski potentially “machida” his way to a decision or is that impossible to do in a ring (aka getting cornered)

by dbcb on Jan 23, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

he’s gonna try.

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no way AA will be able to keep this fight standing if Fedor feels he is getting the best of him in the standup. And if it goes to the ground, AA is dead. AA survives as long as Fedor wants him to IMO..

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Retard strength....

I know it’s a controversial term, but Fedor has it. He WILL take AA down and submit him. Hell, Roy Nelson nearly submitted AA recently before being stood up from side control.

I’m not a Fedor fan at all, and I want to see him lose just for the buzz it’ll create. Still, AA is not the person to do it, and he won’t.

by Dexerion on Jan 23, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Fedor will be too quick for this strategy and manage to take him down early. AA will be cautious early and I expect Fedor to come out like he did agaings Tim, throw a few punches, push AA back, keep punching till AA’s back hits the ropes, clinch and about then the crazy screaming PRDE lady will start to sing

by nidge on Jan 23, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Andre Arlovski wins...

it will be via a LUCKY punch.

I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.

by mma_dude on Jan 23, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

people already have their excuses set. :)

man oh man i hope brent is right… I would loveeeeeeeeee to see what happens to all those i<3fedor people..

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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 24, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My question: Obviously Roach will help AA with the finer points of boxing, but…what about his stance? An MMA boxing stance is completely different than a regular boxing stance, because of the takedown threat. It changes the mechanics of footwork, and even head movement doesn’t it? Isn’t Roach a little out of his element here?

In short, I don’t think Roach will be enough help for AA to overcome Fedor. Plus, AA has an average chin. Fedor doesn’t. I still think Fedor controls the standup.

by Beer Monster on Jan 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The stance is true...

but I doubt that Roach isn’t aware of that.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure he’s aware of it, but Roach has no experience with it. He’s going to have to adapt a true boxing game to that stance, which won’t be easy.

by Beer Monster on Jan 23, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A gameplan that requires an opponent to stay standing

Sorry, but that’s ridiculous. If that were the case, boxers and kick boxers would DOMINATE MMA because everyone would be able to use that gameplan and outstrike every MMA fighter out there.

It’s far easier to take people down than to keep a fight standing. 15 years of MMA has taught us at least that hasn’t it? A pure wrestler will beat a pure striker every time in MMA. Take that to the bank.

by cyph on Jan 23, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No...

the gameplan is to use striking and movement to stay standing. Arlovski has more of a game than just a “nothing but boxing” guy and I think if he gets taken down he may be able to survive. Maybe not though. But to act like never before has a fight been kept standing against a wrestler is just wrong.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even Chuck Liddell was taken down by Couture and this guy got awesome TD defense. This is Andrei “Nelson takes me down with Ease” Arlovski. And this is Fedor.

I’m not saying that it’s out of the realm of possibility that Arlovski can win, but he’s going to have to fight MMA in order to do it. Keep it boxing won’t cut it.

by cyph on Jan 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The time when Nelson was on top working the sub...

was off of an Arlovski takedown after which Nelson swept him.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I assume you’re referring to my last line: Which part of Liddell VS Couture was pure stiker VS pure wrestler?

by cyph on Jan 23, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When did Arlovski become a “pure striker”?

by D.Capitated on Jan 23, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A pure wrestler will beat a pure striker every time in MMA.

When did I refer to Arlovski as a pure striker?

by cyph on Jan 23, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Then why make the point about wrestlers vs. strikers? Fedor and Arlovski started with the same base, and it ain’t wrestling. Obviously pure boxing isn’t going to prevent a takedown, but Fedor isn’t exactly renowned for his double leg takedown either.

by D.Capitated on Jan 23, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arlovski would be better off if they were. The clinch and trip takedowns are probably a bigger problem for him in this fight.

by Rundownloser on Jan 23, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes as one example.

Since when is Liddell not considered a pure striker & yes Couture is still a wrestler at his base. Everything else revolves around his wrestling.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was making a point that you take a boxer VS wrestler, a wrestler will win. This proves that there is an inherent advantage to taking someone down VS keeping a fight standing.

by cyph on Jan 23, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boxer vs wrestler I agree with then,

not the striker vs wrestler because it happens all of the time.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this will be Fedor’s first straight up standing KO of another fighter. Fedor hits so hard that once someone tastes that power on the chin, alot of them fall(Sylvia, Fujita) and then Fedor just finishes the fight. But, I think with the history of Arlovski’s chin combined with Fedor’s power, this is going to be an ugly KO.

Fedor has a history of proving he can beat somebody at their own game and this won’t be any different. Of course if Fedor gets a takedown, which he most certainly can, this will be over pretty damn quick.

Fedor by brutal KO!

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by fedor291 on Jan 23, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brent is channelling Sam Caplan’s ability to make egregiously bad picks and then write 500 words about them

by smoogy on Jan 23, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol, he just wants to be the one

who picks the biggest long shot so he can cash in afterward. Kind of like picking the Detroit Lions to win the Superbowl at the first of the year.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you make enough terrible picks you’re bound to hit one day..

This aint that day though.

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate you...

But seriously…this isn’t me picking the big long shot just to do it. I honestly feel that Arlovski’s skillset is going to be troubling for Fedor. I accept that this is not the consensus opinion of what will happen and I also accept that Fedor is so good that there is a good chance it doesn’t happen. But I’m not going to pick Fedor just to be “safe.”

And yeah, I picked Sylvia to beat Fedor also because I thought his length and ability to fight a completely risk-less fight would pay off. But I was wrong there.

Call me an idiot if you think I’m wrong…but don’t claim that I’m picking these just to be the “guy who called it” if it happens.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm cool...

I’m just saying. Everytime someone picks the upset they’re just trying to be the one to do it in someones eyes. I love all of our commenters and readers but if the day comes when I’m to the point where I am writing articles just to be the guy who called an upset correctly I’ll be walking away from writing on this blog.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, it is a ballsy

pick & I like it. Lets just if AA can stay off his back long enough to give your theory a chance.

by dnevil001 on Jan 23, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Fedor will win

But could prove to be alot more dangerous for him than people are portraying

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 23, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My Main Concern

Is the recent trend of heavily favored fighters being upset. There have been a high % of favorites losing lately. Rampage, Liddell, Werdum, Nog, etc. It seems that many times recently when we are absolutely sure of the outcome the underdog wins. I don’t think I’m doing a good job of explaining my point…….

by Patrick79x on Jan 23, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Looking at Brent’s record, you can’t say he’s not willing to roll the dice on an underdog. I can’t back him on this, and I’m sure he wouldn’t want my sub par fight picking skills behind him anyway. However, his analysis gives one something to chew on. I’m officially more interested in the Fedor/Arlovski scrap.

by Cannon Jacques on Jan 23, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Question for Brent and maybe Mike Fagan too.

As a betting man, what do you think the odds are that one or both BJ and AA pull the upset? I think BJ has the better shot, but I figure one of them will do it.

by szucconi on Jan 23, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BJ winning wouldn’t be an upset . I don’t care what anyone says, that fight is a pick em

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what does that mean?

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like

When somebody laughs…

:P

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so you think it would be an upset? Based on what?

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Size
Strength
Skills
Endurance/Cardio
Athletic Ability
He’s already been beaten
Training Camps, partners, conditions
BJ is coming up in weight

You know, based on…everything.

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Explain to me how GSP has better Skills.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jan 23, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrestling
Diverse striking
Cardio
Strength
GNP

BJ has advantages in
Punching
BJJ bottom game
Skin durability

by Hardcharger on Jan 23, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BJ has the better BJJ, the better boxing, and arguably the better power. So, yeah, GSP will be in better condition definitely. But, that will only come into play after the 1st 2 rounds when BJ can DEF find a way to win.

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I’ll give you the BJJ.

GSP will explain the rest next Sat. ;)

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like BJ found a way to win the last time? After eye poking GSP?

by iiowyn on Jan 23, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ahh yes...

The eye poke. Forgot about that :)

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 24, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec’d.

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will say this..

While I believe that Arlovski wins this fight. I’m not so confident that I’d bet any “serious” money on it. I’m also pretty sure GSP is going to manhandle Penn in a pretty shocking way…so I’d say the odds that both pull the upset are slim to none. The odds that one (Arlovski in my mind) does it are much better but I’m not so confident that I’d bet any hard earned cash on it. Just confident enough to post about it on a heavily trafficked blog and risk my rep ;)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“I’m also pretty sure GSP is going to manhandle Penn in a pretty shocking way”

What are you basing this on?

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well..

I think GSP’s wrestling is going to be key here. I know that playing the ground game with Penn is a risky proposition but I think that Pierre’s wrestling and ground game have moved to the point where he can control the fight on the ground. I just like GSP to beat Penn up for 5 rounds for a pretty one sided decision.

And this is in no way a knock on Penn…the guy is the best 155 pounder on the planet in my eyes. I just don’t like this matchup for him.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I also think GSP is going to win ,but I def don;‘t see him manhandling Penn for 5 rounds to be sure. In fact, I think we will see Penn coming close to locking in something within the 1st 2 rounds. I think GSP is a huge favorite if the fight gets to the 4th and 5th rounds. I just don’t see BJ being able to keep up after moving up to 170 for this. I think the extra weight wil take a toll on him.

BUT..I def don’;t think GSP will be able to move him around at all. I think his best shot is a TKO victory after a clinch along the fence.

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GSP is the favorite, but to think that he will mandhandle BJ Penn? No way.

by cyph on Jan 23, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt be shocked if GSP ends this fight in the 2nd or 3rd.

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or is BJ did..which is why I think it’s really a pick em type fight. Both have the skills and track record to pull something special..

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its a fight anything can happen, but BJ ending the fight would be a shock to me.

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What?? You do realize BJ has a better track record for finishing an opponent right?

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

does that track record include finishing GSP?

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, but he has subbed/TKO’d plenty of STRONG oppneents in the past so I don’t know why you would be “Shocked” if he were to finish GSP. “Shocked” seems like a strange choice of words when talking about a guy of BJ’s caliber..

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

STRONG

Quick, name one fighter as strong and technical as GSP that BJ has ever finished.

Almost every one of his finishes is over a 155 guy.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 23, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you look things up before stating them as facts?

BJ has 10 finishes in 18 fights

GSP has 12 finishes in 19 fights

BJ has even fewer finishes if you want to talk about fights at WW

by Hardcharger on Jan 23, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL you’re right, I can’t count at all.

GSPs finish rate: 63%

Penn’s finish rate: 55%

So Ibk needs to backtrack really fast.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 23, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Technically, they finish fights at an almost identical rate, given finishes as a percentage of total fights.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 23, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the way I see it too. GSP will dictate where the fight goes. Expect him to go for a takedown early, to grind it out on Penn for the first round or two, tiring him out. No way GSP tries to stand with Penn right away, cause Penn is the better boxer. (at least he was the first time they met, and because there are just too many variables on the feet). I think GSP wants to take it to where he knows he has the distinct advantage, in the wrestling, and then when Penn is worn out, try to KO him. I think GSP knows enough sub defense to not get caught by Penn on the ground. If he doesn’t KO Penn in the later rounds, I expect GSP to win by unanimous decision.

by pud333 on Jan 23, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yessir. The Ultimate Takedown Championship, indeed.

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BJ and GSP is a much closer fight than Arlovski and Fedor…

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt about that.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 23, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why i am picking AA

this is why you are wrong

FEDOR

pciking agianst him is like saying “i bet you a billion dollars i can find a real live unicorn”

its outlandish and can only be explained with the words jack daniels

by bearcox13 on Jan 23, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i agree Arlovski has the size, speed and power to beat Fedor. the only problem i have with AA is i dont think he has the heart to beat Fedor, ever since he went hollywood and shaved his back he has lost his killer instinct

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If being hairy helps...

with fighting…I really should get back to training. I’m world champion material

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahhahahahahahhaha.

http://weoweoweo.deviantart.com/

by Anton Tabuena on Jan 24, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that was a good read. good post.

Regardless of whether AA can really beat Fedor, it’s good to see people cheering for both sides. It’s a good build up to the fight. I think that the promotion did a good job at making people believe that AA can really beat Fedor with his boxing abilities.

Brent’s not crazy; I think he’s describing a new way to possibly challenge Fedo, we just don’t know if it’s going to work yet.

I don’t think it’s going to work.

by NinjaCodah on Jan 23, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

6 paragraphs of utter stupidity

Are you serious? I hate to be the one to break the news to you but THIS IS NOT A 12 ROUND BOXING MATCH. This is an MMA fight and unfortunetly for AA, take downs are allowed.
Nowhere in that brilliant plan of yours for AA did you mention anything about stoping take downs or nullifing the ground game of one of the best grapplers in the world.

Take a minute to rethink your “plan” for AA and write this article again

Leg Locks Rule!

by jjdnb on Jan 23, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

somebody is very angry….

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Relax dude.

That’s his opinion, and I know he’s well aware that it’s an “MMA fight.” If you’ve got some superior analysis, you can write a FanPost minus the insults. Seriously, watch the insulting language (i.e. “utter stupidity”).

by Cannon Jacques on Jan 23, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

props to Brent for having the sack to write that. god knows most of us are fedor marks around here. 100+ comments and counting is a sure sign of an interesting article. now Brent make an argument for BJ Penn..i’ve got anyone’s back on that..

by Dark Tower on Jan 23, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think your last line is incredibly lame and uncalled for as a contributing editor for this site. Maybe that’s just me though.

by lbk on Jan 23, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? You should see the way Luke dismisses people sometimes.

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that is true, if you even mention his interview with Kenny Flo you will be banned

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

everyone knows the guys who run this site are pricks. but the site is pretty sweet, updated frequently, lots of news before other sites, good articles and mr. luke thomas is on my radio every so often, so i guess you have to take the good with the bad.

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus...

I’d like to think I’m hardly a prick. If anything I’ve gotten a lot of shit for being “too sensitive” around this site.

But I guess that’s what comes from people thinking they can say anything they want and hide behind “but you guys have to be nice to us!”

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i am the biggest prick i know, and i am all for everyone saying whatever they feel like saying.

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It may be a little harsh...

but hey…if you want to come onto the site and start yelling about how the work (and yes, it is work) people do here is “utter stupidity” then you’re going to catch some shit. God knows I interact with everyone on a pretty regular basis. I have no problem talking with anyone regardless of if they agree or disagree with my views. But there is a certain line that once crossed entitles you to get shit on a little bit.

Basically what I was saying was “if that’s how you’re going to handle disagreeing with what I wrote…then get the fuck out of the comment section” but I didn’t want to say it politely because he hadn’t earned it. That’s all.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

be honest, did you really know that it was a MMA match?

by #5mmafan on Jan 23, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Okay, that’s pretty funny.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 23, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...maaaaaybe

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I earned it cuz I thought your article was stupid? Are you fucking kidding me? Your article makes no sense, and I dont care if your the editor of SI, fightlinker or Sherdog. You write stupidity, and ask for comments then you get what you get. Dont get all E-ganster just cuz your on the net. and i’m sure you homo’s are gonna edit my comment now anyways but you know what Brent, Fuck you.
You know your article is shit and so does everyone else that read it. That’s why you got so upset by my comment. but i could careless. Screw you, your editor title and your article too

Leg Locks Rule!

by jjdnb on Jan 24, 2009 3:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

grabs the bag of popcorn

by iiowyn on Jan 24, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright then...

yeah, you’re banned. But I want to be clear for everyone here that this isn’t for “disagreeing with me” or thinking I’m wrong. I could give two shits if any of you think what I say is wrong in an article, or think what any of the other writers here say is wrong, or think another commenter is wrong. There are lines of reasonable behavior that you don’t cross in saying so.

This kind of Sherdog nonsense won’t be tolerated here. This teenager “I can say whatever I want, but if you say anything back I’m going to cry about you being mean on the internet” garbage is just sad. We don’t attack each other here. Maybe my response was a bit much, but I didn’t resort to name calling…just overly thick sarcasm. It takes one look through the comment section to see that plenty of people have thought I was wrong and we’ve engaged in a civil discussion, this obviously isn’t just because my feelings are hurt over someone thinking I’m wrong. Jesus, I’m wrong all the damn time…just ask my wife.

So yes, jjdnb is banned now. Between the “fuck you” the “homo” and the “prick” I think we’ve seen just how little he brings to the table. Direct name calling is Rule 1-A around these parts and would normally result in a warning, use of homosexual slurs as insults is rule 1-B which would normally result in a warning. Use of both PLUS making it clear that you’re basically here just to stir shit up and have no respect for the fact that we have to run the site a certain way = ban. And no, we’re NOT going to edit your comment, nor are we going to delete it, nor are we going to hide it. It will remain here for all to point and laugh at.

Soooo…now when I say it I actually mean it.

Get the fuck out…and have a wonderful day…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 24, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And the crowd goes wild...

Reading this beats the shit out of wondering ‘where did that stupid comment go?’

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That almost happened, too, but I thought, “hey, Brent will probably want to yell at this guy,” so I left it alone.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Jan 23, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Attaboy.

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sad, but i think AA is really going to try and make it a boxing match. i don’t see fedor standing with AA for more than about the first 10 seconds. punch, punch, takedown. i like AA alot but i’m almost 100 percent convinced he’d rather be a boxer than a MMA guy.

by Dark Tower on Jan 23, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The heavyweight division in boxing is very weak right now; Arlovski has hooked up with the right trainer, and may be able to make a good name for himself, and some good money. As far as the fight with Fedor, there’s no way this finishes on the feet. Fedor is too smart for that. AA is similar to Fedor in that his base art is sambo, but has he been practicing, and does he still have the moves? That’s going to be the X-factor in this fight, I, believe, moreso than standup.

by Cmad77 on Jan 23, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By trying to defend the takedown – already it moves from being a boxing match to being an MMA match… and this is where Roach is gonna rue the day he ever talked so big about his guys chances.

by mmalogic on Jan 23, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he’s going to win, this will be the way – catching Fedor with a punch and following up like a madman.

by subo on Jan 23, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brent, there's no chance

Arlovski isn’t exactly the king of gameplans. What gameplan was Andrei using in Sylvia/Arlovski III in those 5 boring rounds? Also, as someone mentioned earlier, Andrei’s TDD was weak against last opponent Roy Nelson If Fedor gets him on his back, not only will Andrei not get a free pass on the mat, he’ll get pounded like a nail.

by FadeToBlack on Jan 23, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just posted an update to the article...

but I’ll say it again here. HE WAS NOT TAKEN DOWN AT ANY POINT BY ROY NELSON! Not one time. Not once in the fight. As in…not at all.

Arlovski took him down and was quickly swept during the actual takedown. It was not a takedown by Nelson. Roy spent a lot of time trying for the takedown with Arlovski fending off those attempts successfully.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A single under-hook was all Nelson needed to reverse the pathetic clinch escape that Arlovski employed. Fedor should have no problem, considering he has better striking to set-up the clinch.

Is Roach teaching AA how to use under-hooks effectively — that’s what he needs to know.

I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.

by mma_dude on Jan 24, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

see for yourself

I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.

by mma_dude on Jan 24, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point. What’s worse, being taken down or take someone down just to get reversed? Nelson is not the most agile guy in MMA.

by cyph on Jan 24, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I think that it was not a good takedown attempt by Arlovski but if his gameplan in any way focuses on trying to play the takedown game with Fedor then he is screwed anyway.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 24, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think comparing Roy Nelson’s ground game to Fedor’s is ill-advised. Yes Freddie will have coached AA on Fedor’s weaknesses as pertained to his stand up game – what advise can he give about Fedor’s Sambo game – considering that he (Freddie) dismisses grappling all together? Can AA catch Fedor – absolutely he can. Buit Fedor has been rocked before and been tested some of the best (albeit some of the best at the time). AA has , I don;t want to say a weak chin, but is someone who has proven not to be able to sustain damage, and someone who we have not seen defend a great ground game. Not to this caliber. I won;t say that a Fedor win is a foregone conclusion, but until someoe beats the man – you can not be the man – WOOOOOO!!!!! – LOL – but seriously……..

by thebookofrob on Jan 24, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

GSP's wrestling

Brent – I can totally understand how you believe GSP’s wrestling COULD be a key, but (and I know judges’ love to score a takedown more than a sub attempt from the back) a takedown into the guard, and doing nothing with it isn’t neutralizing BJ’s BJJ game (IMO) it just falls right into a gameplan. What will be telling is if he (GSP) can punch/elbow from the guard, or even pass. In my heart of hearts (and I may be a homer) I don’t see GSP standing and outstriking BJ (just one mans’ opinion) IMO, GSP wins by takedowns, mostly if he’s relentless in rounds 4-5, which I admit, more than likely he would be. I also think that thinking BJ will not have cardio to go 5 is now a smart way of thinking…….he wants this more than anyone knows – not to say GSP isn;t a monster, but eh, we’ll see. I’d take BJ all day – but once again – just one mans’ opinion

by thebookofrob on Jan 24, 2009 12:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

  • if GSP wins – it’s by takedowns……..

by thebookofrob on Jan 24, 2009 12:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Brent . . .

1. At least someone is fighting back the revisionist history of AA take down defense. Yes, Nelson never did take AA down in the fight, never got close.

Brent the rest isn’t for you but I have to some things to say about a few the arguments thrown back at you.

2. Wrestlers will always beat Strikers? Really, where did this crap come from, who posted this? Anderson Silva is champ because of striking, Rashad Evans won big in 2008 because of striking. Chuck Liddell’s huge career is because of striking. Can we put the wrestling superiority away? If it were that simple they would all be wrestlers.

3. Has anyone bashing Nelson ever seen him fight? Do you know what is strength his? Here is a hint . . . his submission game. He’s won a lot of fights. If he found himself on top of any Top 10 HW he would have control of the fight for 2 minutes and would mount some serious offense. Big Country’s problem is he only prepares to win on the ground but once he is down there he is damn good.

by bignerd on Jan 24, 2009 5:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is serious semantics...

Arlofski was on his way to getting taken down and tried to use a trip escape (are you really saying that AA was trying to take it to the ground?!) With ONE under-hook, Nelson then suplexed AA on his head and took side control. It’s all here, and it happens in the first 30 seconds.

What revisionist nonsense!

I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.

by mma_dude on Jan 24, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No...

Arlovski was not getting taken down there. He went for a trip takedown…not an escape. He never breaks his hands from around Nelson and continues driving forward. That was a takedown attempt BY Arlovski.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 24, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re arguing the wrong argument, by the way. All your examples are MMA fighters who favor striking. You put a pure wrestler with a pure striker in an MMA match, and you take a guess who’s going to win. UFC 1, 2, & 3 shows the superiority of a one dimensional arts. Ground game > standing game when you’re comparing one dimensional arts. Th experiment has already been proven.

by cyph on Jan 24, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not exactly a MMA guy, but Fedor is a bad bad man. I kinda question Andrei commitment to MMA given that he has been flirting with a boxing career. I think if you are going to face the best fighter in the MMA world, you have to have your mind entirely on facing Fedor. I am not sure how much of an affect Freddie Roach will have on him.

by Zocalo on Jan 24, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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