UFC 93 - A Night Without a Winner?
Now, hear me out...
While it certainly was not a "bad" night of fights I truly wonder if anyone on the card really came out of the event as a big "winner" in the eyes of the public. For me this means getting the win, your fight making the PPV broadcast, and putting on an impressive performance.
Based on the first two criteria the potential winners would be John Hathaway, Marcus Davis, Alan Belcher, Rousimar Palhares, Mauricio Rua, and Dan Henderson.
Hathaway looked good but watching the fight it was almost more Egan looking like he had no business in the Octagon than Hathaway really impressing. Palhares dominated a washed-up Jeremy Horn but it wasn't anything that casual fans will remember in a week.
I refuse to accept Marcus Davis' win as anything of meaning. As I said in a few different places, the fight with Lytle was as close to a "scripted" fight as anything I've seen in a long time. To have an agreement that you wouldn't go to the ground, pass up opportunities to take an advantagious position when the other guy ends up on his back, and high five in honor of your awesomeness every time you have the fight stood back up is just lame.
Alan Belcher pulled off an upset win but spent the majority of the fight getting bested on the feet despite his recent claims that he could beat anyone in the UFC in a muay thai bout. He frustrated Kang with his ability to defend on the ground but in the end it seemed like Kang just sloppily fell into the choke. Belcher did nothing to establish himself as a contender in the division and if anything I'm even more sure that Anderson Silva would destroy him.
Shogun looked awful. I'm sorry, but he genuinely looked like an undercard fighter. He had a gassed 44 year old in front of him for the majority of the fight and not only was he not able to put him away until just before time ran out, Shogun himself became so gassed that he was getting manhandled for the majority of the third round by the exhausted old man. He got his hand raised, but I don't know too many people who consider him a "winner" coming out of that fight.
Finally, Dan Henderson... Dan was another victim of the cardio monster. You could see him fade throughout the fight and were it a five rounder I think Franklin stops him in the next round. It wasn't though and Hendo did legitimately win on the scorecards. He now goes on to fight Michael Bisping in a fight that I honestly think Bisping will win. The Brit has cleaner boxing and is a very tough guy to hold down if you put him on his back.
All I'm saying is that when a guy who gassed and looked like he was just trying to get to a decision as the fight wore on is the biggest winner on the show...maybe it just wasn't a great night for the promotion.
What do you think? Who was the big winner on the night?
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Me and my friends who watched the fight came to the same conclusion. All the winners lost, and several of the losers really lost. Nobody came out smelling like roses.
by Rundownloser on Jan 18, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the biggest winner was me for not spending my money to watch the card and instead go snowboarding. the card, to me, had no real effect on the overall rankings of the divisions. neither franklin or hendo are real contenders for either the LHW or MW belts, Shoguns’ fight was a give me so he could get in with a guy who wouldnt beat him. and i agree with you about the Davis/Lytle fight. Palhares/Belcher/Kang have no chance of beating Anderson Silva together let alone one at a time
by #5mmafan on Jan 18, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i agree the biggset winners were the ones that did not buy the ppv!!! like me!
by mobbdeep on Jan 18, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would appear that we are winners. But my PPV buying resume isn’t spotless. I ordered UFC 78 with the epic Evans vs Bisping.
by MattTil on Jan 18, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate when guys high five too much during fights. An occasional high five or an extra touching of gloves is alright but when they go overboard it pisses me off. I remember the TUF 2 final between Cummo and Joe Daddy. Every ten seconds they were high five-ing. Other wise…good fight. Didn’t get to see UFC 93. Night of unfortunate circumstances.
by MattTil on Jan 18, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Shamrock/Le
that fight had me screaming at the TV “FIGHT DAMMIT!” because they stopped every time one of them threw a strike to high five.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I recall, a high-five was Franks counter for the majority of the fight.
by Heenan on Jan 18, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Until his arm snapped and it hurt too much to be so bro-ish.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is Phil just that straight or is he just that gay
by #5mmafan on Jan 18, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hes just that straight
there was an article on here a month or two ago about him getting married, his wife looked pretty hot too.
by DirtyML on Jan 18, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smokescreen. That right hand is clearly wanking.
by ununkvadrium on Jan 18, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The event was what we thought it was!
This event was predicted by many to be a flop and suprise suprise it was. From what i have read, the undercard was more exciting than the main card. Seriously, UFC 93 was destined to flop due to the fact that it followed UFC 92 which was epic. Who didn’t see this coming ?
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by Warhand on Jan 18, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lidell was the winner of this card.
Now he gets a main event fight with a “top 10” fighter who is perfectly tailored for him to KTFO. They will continue to hype shogun as “former #1 ranked LHW” and lidell is going to fuck him up.
by dbcb on Jan 18, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you heard it here first
Shogun forces Liddell to tap out in round 1
by #5mmafan on Jan 18, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh how is he going to get him to the ground? With that awesome wrestling of his? Or mabe knock him down with his awesome power and striking? or maybe wear him out with his awesome cardio?
by dbcb on Jan 18, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no chuck will rush in for the kill after dropping shogun, then rua will do his little turtle roll into some type of submission. iceman hasnt fought a fighter recently who has even heard of BJJ except for Babalu and all he did was chase chuck around the cage with his face.
by #5mmafan on Jan 18, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
chase chuck around the cage with his face.
thats what i expect shogun to do..
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 18, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With that awesome wrestling of his?
His takedown defense was pretty bad but it’s hard to scoff at the wrestling of a guy who could repeatedly score takedowns on Forrest, Overeem and Coleman.
by George Lucas on Jan 18, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the coleman/shogun fight was somehow the best and worst fight of the night.
by mistake4 on Jan 18, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100% It had the structure of an epic war, yet both fighters gave horrible performances.
by Jahbulon on Jan 18, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shogun and coleman were winners...
They got $40000 for the biggest joke fight i’ve seen in a long time
by Hellrazer on Jan 18, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It reminded me a lot of the Kimbo-Thompson fight.
by mythbuster on Jan 18, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to accept Marcus Davis’ win as anything of meaning. As I said in a few different places, the fight with Lytle was as close to a “scripted” fight as anything I’ve seen in a long time.
agreed 100%. I had an article up a while ago saying the same thing. I like Davis but really, it’s very hard to care who “wins” a fight where both guys don’t care who wins – as long as the fights exciting. That’s what the WWE is for. If you’re not going in to win, don’t go in… and that includes going to the ground if it’s to your advantage.
by mythbuster on Jan 18, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
As long as it’s not relevant for the rankings… it’s at least tolerable. “Irish” fighter “scripting” for a FOTN in the first Ireland event… Fair enough. Just don’t pretend that it matters or is anything else than what it is.
by ununkvadrium on Jan 18, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t this the second event in Ireland? Maybe I’m wrong but I thought they had one in Belfast. Franklin vs Okami.
I don’t think it’s tolerable at all if MMA want’s to be viewed as a legitimate sport. That would be like the Ravens and Steelers agreeing to not pass the ball and only run it in the AFC championship game. Or, since you used the example of it not meaning anything. How about the same scenario with the Bengals vs the Lions? Could you imagine the uproar among fans and media alike? I know why they do it though. I understand that the standing and banging appeals to the casual fan but let it happen naturally.
by dedstrk316 on Jan 18, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Belfast is the capital of Northern Ireland.
Maybe they could have made it a silent agreement, I don’t know. And as silly as it seems to me, I also appreciate their cynicism – neither is a contender, both aging and in need of the dollars granted by bonuses. This is the only way for them to remain relevant. Hurts the sport? No more than the usual talk about wanting to entertain at the expense of talk about wanting to win. Hurts the industry? Nah, don’t think so.
by ununkvadrium on Jan 18, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. UFC 72 was in Belfast. One or two instances of this won’t hurt the sport but when fighters go in to a fight looking to be exciting above winning then it will hurt the sport if it becomes commonplace. Winning should be priority number one. It’s one thing when Hazelett says he wants to have the most submission of the nights in UFC history. Why is it different? Because he’s looking to win AND be exciting at the same time. And he’s shooting for greatness. Davis and Lytle were shooting for excitement and money. They need to realize that a fight that takes place on the ground can be just as exciting as a stand up affair. Provided it’s not “scripted” to take place on the ground. This is MMA. Not boxing or a pure grappling tournament. It all comes down to if you are in it for a job or to be a champion I guess.
by dedstrk316 on Jan 18, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
Were Hazelett to hurt someone with a punch standing while “wanting to have the most submission of the nights…” he wouldn’t jump and pull the guy into his guard just to submit him which is about the same as every time one guy ended up on his back and the other refused to take the advantageous position in favor of standing up and throwing bombs.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly Im curious
How is this any different than Standgate with Kimbo? Both guys knew if the stood and traded and gave the fans what they wanted they’d get an extra 40 G’s each. EliteXC to Petruzelli – stand and give the fans what they want and you’ll get a 40G bonus.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
the main difference is the fighters deciding to do it themselves rather than the implied story that EXC was pressuring Seth to stand because Kimbo had no chance of winning a ground fight. Two fighters deciding to do it is wrong in my eyes…but it’s not as bad as an organization saying “we’ll pay you to fight a certain way and not the way that gives you the best chance to win.”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So a conspiracy between the fighters to work a match
with an undetermined result with their promoters full approval is some how better than a conspiracy between fighter and his promoter to work a bout to undetermined result. Splitting hairs on this one man. Its Semantics. I’m pretty sure you agree with me on this too.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
I think it’s bullshit for sure. I’m just saying that it is worse for a promotion to pay someone to fight in a way specifically to prevent them from doing their best to win in an effort to protect the other fighter…that is much worse in my eyes than two guys agreeing to fight stupidly in hopes of winning a bonus.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how the UFC can actually reward them with the bonus
when they basically admitted they are gonna work the fight and don’t care about winning. But whatever.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between this and standgate is that the fight of the night bonus isn’t for fighting a specific way it’s for being the best fight (I don’t think they were the best fight in my opinion). The UFC also isn’t making it a match specific bonus, any fighter on the entire card can pick it up for an exceptional fight whether it is standing or on the ground or a combination of both. EliteXC supposibly offered a single solitary fighter a big bonus and pushed for him to fight the fight in a specific way that was designed to give his opponent a significantly better chance of winning the fight. Both situations stink but the EliteXC one really skirts illegal fight fixing where as the Marcus Davis “stand up like a man” challenge was just personally unprofessional and a bit sad.
by who me on Jan 19, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Davis really wanted to "stand up like a man"
He should have traded with Lytle till one of them fell instead of backpedaling and counterpunching. Davis had an awful lot of big talk about an exciting fight to try and be technical and avoid the brawl that Lytle looked to make it.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
like the..
“cover up and run away as fast as possible” moment?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I guess you proved your whole point about it essentially being a work invalid. Davis went in promising a toe to toe standup war, but clearly relied on coming in with quick combos and backing off. Even as so much to turn around and run as pointed out. Davis clearly had a game plan that didn’t involve a toe to toe standup brawl.
by LiuLang on Jan 19, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no...
but they did not go to the ground on multiple occasions where one guy was knocked down/slipped…etc. And don’t give me that “their best chance to win was standing up” nonsense. Neither guy has a wicked BJJ game off his back to where getting on top and dropping some punches and elbows was anything other than a good idea.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is, is the comparison to Standgate is ridiculous.
Davis knocked Lytle down, but maybe he didn’t want to be in Lytle’s guard. I don’t know. The high-fiving was obnoxious, sure. But it’s MMA, they can fight however they want. I certainly don’t think it was FotN worthy, but maybe you had to be there. Kind of what people are saying about Coleman/Rua as well.
by LiuLang on Jan 19, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not as bad as standgate..
but it is pretty bad.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, but it’s not even close.
by LiuLang on Jan 19, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
liddell is gonna kill shogun
All he has to do circle around the ring for a round and slowly watch shogun drop his hands then it’s lights out. I wouldn’t doubt it. Oh and shogun cannot take liddell down. His takedown look like shit. Think Travis Lutter…
by Hellrazer on Jan 18, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the lytle/Davis fight was a joke. The whole card was a joke. They need to do a better job of stacking foreign cards as well. Just unacceptable.
by lbk on Jan 18, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This was really a showcase for shogun, but it didn’t pan out. It was even a BS stoppage. Coleman was f’ed up, but he was f’ed up the whole fight. He would have gotten that take down and lost the dec.
by szucconi on Jan 18, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that was not a bs stoppage. coleman took 6 unanswered “hard” shots with his hands below his waist. he was practically knocked out standing. it was a justified stoppage and im glad it was ended there.
by mistake4 on Jan 18, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is, he was taking those all fight and recovered to win a round. He wasn’t out cold. I am not truely upset witht he stoppage, but I would like to have seen it continue for 30 more seconds. I wanted him to go the distance, like rocky. Then ride into the sunset looking like the elephant man with his kids by his side crying.
by szucconi on Jan 18, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two articles in one day that I agree 100% with. The other article was on your partners site, MMA Mania, and it was about conditioning of fighters. One winner were a group of my friends. They are winners because I tried to tape it for them while watching it at 3:00 and we were going to watch it at 6:30. So they are winners because they didn’t have to watch it. I’m a winner because I didn’t have to watch it a second time. Now, I’m not saying that it was a bad night of fights because it wasn’t. It just wasn’t a real good night of fights either. There was action, just not anything special. There was controversy, just nothing of importance. Basically it was a night of fights that lacked anything spectacular, or anything of real controversy or excitement. It was cut and dried with no real upsets or huge knockouts or spectacular submissions.
by dedstrk316 on Jan 18, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Belcher beating Kang was a real upset.
by Kid Nate on Jan 18, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he should train.....
more with Gi, I think it would tighten up his positional ground game and improve his defence. Two things that harder to train no Gi.
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by R.T. on Jan 18, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured somebody would say that
But not to me. Not in the least. I had Belcher all the way and I do not like Belcher but I do like Kang. I figured Kang would come out and be somewhat dominant and then go have one of his “ohno second” moments and lose. And it wasn’t one of those “OMG! Can you believe Houston KTFO’d Jardine?” moments.
by dedstrk316 on Jan 18, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe by the numbers, but anyone familiar with the career of Denis Kang knows how prone he is to making ridiculous fight ending mistakes, and Belcher is as dangerous as any mid-ranger in the division.
by George Lucas on Jan 18, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. I hope that phrase becomes a new internet meme.
by Rundownloser on Jan 19, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what we were bitching about when he got guillotined. i find it astounding how he seems to lose focus mid fight and get caught in these rookie subs :/
by Benicio on Jan 19, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't even say Kang is a frontrunner that quits when he hits adversity
He’s always winning then screws up mentally
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s hilarious, but sad.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kang was the biggest disappointment for me. He was putting a clinic on Belcher’s face for a round and 1/2 and I thought Belcher was some awesome kick boxer.
Mousasi basically did the same thing to Kang, he got caught in a submission after dominating the fight. He needs to be more vigilant with his sub defense.
by Dexerion on Jan 18, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's winner was Affliction
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Jan 18, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No chance.
This card will still at least double affliction in PPV buys since the majority of people who ordered this don’t know what affliction is.
by Phildo on Jan 18, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in buys
I mean that UFC put out a weak product so maybe Affliction’s card will get more interest.
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by thetakeover on Jan 18, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think this event will affect that event at all. People who ordered 93 aren’t going to drop another $50 for Affliction because this wasn’t satisfying, heck going in people were talking about this being a weak card. UFC 94 is the card that is going to be fighting for potential Affliction buyers money, UFC 93 was a SpikeTV card that SpikeTV didn’t pick up.
What is sad to see is that UFC 93 really was the forgotten show even by the UFC yet it still got more of an advertising push than the Affliction show has.
by who me on Jan 18, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way!
Didn’t you see the banners in New York? Granted, they were in September, but…
by subo on Jan 18, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many casual fans who sat through the last EliteXC show are still wondering “who is this Fedor guy and when is he returning”?
by who me on Jan 18, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brent, you are right on target, the first couple of lines are unduly apologetic. It was a dismal night. Not only do I agree with the article, I also agree with nearly all the comments above!
by klown on Jan 18, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coleman was the Big winner
I personally thought Coleman’s performance was gritty as is gets he was pooched half through the first but pushed on through on guts and instinct. A cut like that to 205 @ 44 years of age isnt gonna be easy. But he had no excuses, “a good fight isnt, good enough.” He won that crowd over, he won me over, and he should get the respect he derserves for coming up at gut check time……………..
Shogun needs to start fighting with as much frequency as possible to start to regain his fighting cardio, cause there aint nothing like the real thing, and he aint got it.
YAMATO DAMASHII
by R.T. on Jan 18, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would say that his corner were the biggest winners. Some weird coachin going on there in between rounds.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Jan 18, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No winner? No way!!!
My friend made some awesome hamburgers. I am a winner, lol!!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jan 18, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lucky you..
I’m dealing with a very ill wife at the moment so my “fight food” was some canned soup…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
nothing too serious. Still not fun.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear, but nobody likes being sick. get well soon to your wife.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jan 18, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of your points, except the idea that Henderson was any more exhausted than he usually is in that kind of fight. To me, it looked like Dan being Dan, if it had been a five round he probably would have won the additional round needed to hold onto the decision. Aside from the occasional body kick, Franklin could not find anything to stop or slow Hendo from moving forward
Oh, and you’re being too nice about Egan vs. Hathaway. Lets be honest, that fight had no business being aired on a pay per view. It was like they booked a local high school grudge match to show during the intermission
by smoogy on Jan 18, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The real winner was Rich Franklin’s nose.
Now he will not be on the road to Anderson Silva again.
Unless Anderson fights him at 205, which would probably be even worse.
by DirtyML on Jan 18, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The fans
For one simple reason: Dan Henderson is going to whup Michael Bisping’s ass.
You’re welcome for finding the silver lining.
by subo on Jan 18, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan will make for a interesting TUF where a disinterested Rich Franklin wouldn’t of.
by who me on Jan 18, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan should do the entire series with his teeth out. I would actually watch that.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am hoping that Dan gets really mad at one of the TUF guys and throws his teeth at them, that would be “must see tv”. :D
by who me on Jan 19, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan might be able to LnP his way to another win. No silver lining, only boredom for the fans.
After that fight, the question will be who the former TUF winner was, Hendo or Bisping?
by bigweeze on Jan 18, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And really...
two more leg kicks and Coleman would have fallen down. Why did Shogun stop with the leg kicks? Strange.
by mythbuster on Jan 18, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone going to give Coleman props for stepping up and not giving up?
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by lovingmma25 on Jan 18, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shit, I give him the fight 29-28 if it’s not stopped.
by subo on Jan 18, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coleman was the Big winner I personally thought Coleman’s performance was gritty as is gets he was pooched half through the first but pushed on through on guts and instinct. A cut like that to 205 @ 44 years of age isnt gonna be easy. But he had no excuses, "a good fight isnt, good enough." He won that crowd over, he won me over, and he should get the respect he derserves for coming up at gut check time……………..
Shogun needs to start fighting with as much frequency as possible to start to regain his fighting cardio, cause there aint nothing like the real thing, and he aint got it
YAMATO DAMASHII
by R.T. on Jan 18, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give him props for being old or for doing his job? He got out there and fought very hard (I agree that he may of won a decision)but that is what they pay him to do. The only props that would mean anything would be the UFC giving him another fight or two(Houston Alexander, Ryan Bader?).
by who me on Jan 18, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I give him props for sure but he always fights that way. If Shogun would have head kicked him and ko’d him it would have been similar to when Smith did it years and years ago. Nothing’s changed with him. He’s got brass though that’s for sure.
by dedstrk316 on Jan 18, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brutal.
Last night was… not the best, but certainly not the worst. I don’t know. I am just severely disappointed in Shogun. Yes, I know he’s coming back from two major surgeries, but looking at him last night, that fight was almost really painful to watch. It’s hard to imagine that Shogun at one point in his career beat Rampage, Nog and Overeem. Coleman gave him fits throughout the match, even when he was gassed. Chuck must be overjoyed right now, cause if this is all that Shogun can muster, he’s gonna get killed when he and Chuck fight.
by pud333 on Jan 18, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine what would happen if Shogun fought Rampage now?
by dedstrk316 on Jan 18, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Shogun gets a new camp with some top shelf strength and conditioning coaches, it’s gonna be Rampage via KO, first round. Without a doubt.
by pud333 on Jan 18, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dana White.
The Franklin fight makes me cry, but I don’t think either head butt or the nasty eye poke were intentional. But pretty unsatisfying — Rich just can’t catch a break. He looked noticeably slower to me than at the lower weight (cardio monster or not, is he really settled in at that size yet?). Hendo makes for a more marketable reality TV show, however, so win for Dana.
The Horn fight wasn’t that interesting either, but considering the amount of abuse he took I wonder what he could do if he bothered to actually get in shape. But at the same level of interest as I would wonder whether to put relish on a hotdog or not. I’m cool with that though, as you have to have these normal UFCs to really show how outstanding something like UFC 94 should be. These weren’t “bad” fights; you can’t have every fight be above average!
by swarmofkillermonkeys on Jan 18, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Over/Under
on times Hendo removes his teeth on TUF?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
I was just saying above he should do the entire series with them out and I would watch it.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That being said
He’s gonna do it at least a few times. I bet a few of the TUFers don’t even know like half his mouth is fake. Wasn’t it after the Wand Pride 33 fight that Millen had to tell him his teeth weren’t in when he was trying to give the post fight interview?
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That gave me a case of the
lulz
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most everything you said
Apart from your prediction that Bisping will beat Dan Henderson. I’d love for him too but Dan is simply to strong and too good for Bisping in a three round fight.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 18, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BISPING is the big winner..
He gets what he wants. He doesnt want franklin because he is a more dangerous striker than him.. Hendo is a better matchup for him and i think it becomes bisping by decision.
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 18, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan Henderson was the big winner, and Rich Franklin was a smaller winner.
I know Henderson was made the favourite going into this fight but a lot of people thought he was past it and was becoming less of a force. I also thought that he wouldn’t be able to be a force in either division now because of his complete lack of ability to stick to a gameplan.
But he fought very strategically for the fight, scoring takedowns when he needed them and doing a lot of damage on the feet and the ground. He looked as impressive as I’ve seen him, outside the second Wanderlei Silva fight and actually gave me more hope that he might be able to beat Anderson Silva in the future. I doubt he’ll have much trouble with BIsping.
Rich Franklin may have lost this bout, but if he had won it would have just been a curse. He’d have to coach TUF when he doesn’t even want too, which would finish with him having to do the draining cut to 185 lbs. for only the reason of having to smash Bisping and then return to 205 lbs. Franklin was also a winner because his stock was not harmed too much at 205 lbs anyway with a lot of people believing that it was only the number of rounds that stopped Franklin from victory and that he still has the ability to compete in there.
From what I can see, there have been very little “Franklin should retire” or “Franklin is screwed” articles around. Which is usually the case after any major event finishes for the losing headliner.
by SamCupitt on Jan 18, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Franklin = Needs to retire. You’re welcome. :-P
by Rundownloser on Jan 18, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before this gets out of hand
That was of course a joke.
by Rundownloser on Jan 18, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kampmann is a big winner. Before the Marquardt fight, he was being talked about as a potential contender for Silva. Now that he’s in the welterweight division, expect the rankings to start shaking up.
Schafer is a big winner. He’s been struggling to get any kind of serious traction in the UFC, and now he’s posted two first round stoppages in a row. He may not be fighting for the title any time soon, but at least one or two contenders are going to have to beat a path through him.
Drwal and Siver are big winners. The UFC’s investment in Europe is finally starting to pay off with some exciting performances.
by George Lucas on Jan 18, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All...
did not make the telecast…so yeah, they won and improved their station in the company. But in the eyes of the public those fights practically never happened.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I would have liked to have seen Kampmann's fight
They couldn’t stick 2 quick TKO’s in place of the friggin High school bout?
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure...
especially knowing that they do seem to WANT Kampmann to be a player in the division.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps not in America, but I’d put good odds on the Drwal, Siver and Kampmann fights being broadcast (maybe not live) in Europe, like they did with Dong Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan to draw interest in the UFC in Korea.
by George Lucas on Jan 19, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a winner
and it was the Irish and european fans. They won because they were so awesome. Like Dana said on his vlog, there were 9500 people in the arena bu they made it feel like there were 90,000.
How can you not love that?
by Discman2 on Jan 19, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very true...
it was a GREAT crowd.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The soccer chants for Davis
were absolutely amazing.
by subo on Jan 19, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Mergliotta is a disgrace.
It seems once again he’s been overlooked for biggest dickhead of the night. Rich gets eye poked and Dan Mergliotta flat out tells Rich, “no time out for you, thats only for groin shots.” Dan then goes over to the officials and says “How much time you wanna give him?” 2 mins was the answer.
Can someone please tell me what the difference is between an eye poke foul and a groin strike foul or even a foul knee to downed opponent? A FOUL IS A FOUL. If Rich couldnt continue that should have been a NC but the way Dan said it, RIch would have lost from not continuing.
by Benicio on Jan 19, 2009 2:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i was surprised he said ‘no time for you’ also.. I was like what the fuck?? then he gave him 2 mins. Thats actually a bullshit call too.. since when does the fighter not get 5 mins?
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by Anton Tabuena on Jan 19, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he went to the officials and asked them “How much time does he get?” I couldnt believe it! And then to say, “if you dont continue, you lose the fight.”
by Benicio on Jan 19, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Scott Smith was told he had to continue or quit also
So maybe its the way the rule was written.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 4:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I find this ‘loophole’ completely deplorable.
by Benicio on Jan 19, 2009 4:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure...
it’s 5 minutes for any foul. I.e. if you’re hit with an illegal knee while you’re down you’re not told “either get back up and start fighting!” You’re given the 5 minutes every time I thought…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently it was done properly.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/13752/referee-dan-miragliottas-latest-performance-strictly-by-the-book.mma
The explanation here actually makes some sense. I think it’s stupid and they need to change the rules, but if these are the rules, I guess it was done properly.
by Phildo on Jan 19, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very agreeable article however
you are straight out of your mind if you think bisping will beat dan henderson. seriously, thats just ridiculous..
by 1Michael on Jan 19, 2009 7:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cleaner boxing, can nullifiy the ground game...
I like Bisping in the fight…for real…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bisping doesn't hit hard enough even with his kicks
to discourage Henderson from running, (quite literally,) through them and pulling him down. Running through punches isn’t a good idea no matter who you are if Manhoef is across from you… But if its the guy that can’t KO a 12 year old… I think Hendo isn’t gonna be discouraged much by taking a shot to get the clinch. Rich couldn’t even phase Hendo’s chin. Hendo is not on Nog status yet.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Bisping has good power when he sits down on his punches…not one punch power…but when he sets his feet and throws he can put together 3 or 4 punches and hurt you. But it’s going to depend on if he decides to fight the entire fight from a distance or if he is willing to set up shots every now and then. I get that a lot of people think I’m crazy…but time will tell.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 19, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else happy that Shogun didn't finish Coleman in the first?
Lets be real here, MMA is a sport in which problems are not fixed until thoroughly exploited. If Shogun were to have finished Coleman in the first, everyone here on Sherdog would’ve have been singing his praises. Sure, it wasn’t a prime-Shogun performance, but his skill was still there, and you can chalk up the rest to ring rust. Of course, that’s not what happened. Shogun didn’t finish Coleman in the first and went on to have a lackluster second round and a downright terrible 3rd. If he were to have finished Coleman in the first, we wouldn’t have known just how bad his cardio is and he probably wouldn’t have known himself, and thus, probably wouldn’t have worked on it as extensively as he will in the future.
Shogun fans should be worried, but they shouldn’t think that his performance last night was a worst case scenario. The worst case scenario would’ve been Shogun finishing Coleman in the first. At least in the shitty performance that he turned in, he was obviously able to find a huge hole in his game. His skills were still there, it’s just a matter of being able to get the cardio to get through the match. Hopefully he will get into a new camp that will really push him to his limit. If he doesn’t, it’s not going to turn out good for him when he fights anyone in the top-10 of that division.
I’m still looking forward to seeing him fight and I’m not jumping off his ship after last night. As I said, worse things could’ve happened last night.
by WeeZiTe on Jan 19, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Warning: Referring to Bloody Elbow as “everyone here on Sherdog” is a bannable offense.
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by Kid Nate on Jan 19, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Copy/pasting straight from your post on Sherdog is a lifetime ban. No?
by Benicio on Jan 19, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should be.
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