UFC 93: Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson Complete Results and Bonuses

by Kid Nate on Jan 18, 2009 10:28 AM EST in Events Comment 47 comments

Dennis Siver d. Nate Mohr via TKO (Spinning Back Kick and Punches) Round 3 3:27***
Tomasz Drwal d. Ivan Serati via TKO (Punches) Round 1 2:02
Eric Schafer d. Antonio Mendes via TKO (Punches) Round 1 3:35
Martin Kampmann d. Alexandre Barros via TKO (Punches) Round 2 3:07
John Hathaway d. Tom Egan via TKO (Elbows) Round 1 4:36
Marcus Davis d. Chris Lytle via Split Decision*
Alan Belcher d. Denis Kang via Submission (Guillotine Choke) Round 2 4:36**
Rousimar Palhares d. Jeremy Horn via Decision (Unanimous)
Mauricio Rua d. Mark Coleman via TKO (Punches) Round 3 4:36*
Dan Henderson d. Rich Franklin via Decision (Split)

* Fight(s) of the Night $40,000 Davis vs Lytle; Rua vs Coleman
** Submission of the Night $40,000 Alan Belcher
*** Knockout of the Night $40,000 Denis Siver

What Does It All Mean?

Rich Franklin has once again failed to defeat elite competition. He has mopped the floor with the top-tier competition he's faced (Tanner, Loiseau, Hammill, Quarry) but when facing truly elite competitors: Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva (x2) and now Dan Henderson he comes up short. Expect Franklin to stay at 205 and be given future opportunities to contend for a title.
Dan Henderson might be too old to hold another title. He clearly dominated Franklin in the first round, less so in the second and lost the third. The fact that he was fighting at 205 means we can't blame a weight cut for his lack of conditioning. Michael Bisping might very will be able to get on his bicycle and eek out a UK decision over Henderson.
Dana White wins again. Rich Franklin didn't want to coach TUF again and no one wanted to see him lose to Anderson Silva for a third time. Now thanks to Henderson's win, Dana has Dan Henderson and Michael Bisping to build up over a TUF season and then send the winner up against Anderson Silva. Should Bisping beat Henderson and get the title shot, that will be a very lucrative fight in the UK market. Likewise, a Henderson vs Silva rematch will be a solid co-headliner on any card.
Shogun Rua needs to get a better camp. Many of our commenters are sleeping on the absolutely devastating nature of Rua's back-to-back knee injuries and surgeries, but that has to have been a huge factor in his gassing in the second round against Mark Coleman. Nevertheless, if Shogun is going to have any chance to beat Chuck Liddell, he should come to America and get a state-of-the-art condition camp.
Mark Coleman is done. This isn't really news to anyone. He was formidable for the first two minutes of round one but not formidable enough to get a TKO win. Not sure what Dana can do with Coleman going forward. I doubt the Hammer will have the sense to retire.
Alan Belcher and Rousimar Palhares continue to swim upstream in the muddy middleweight waters but neither is a compelling contender. In the tradition of Patrick Cote, Thales Leites, Travis Lutter and other mediocre middleweight contenders, both fighters advance their careers but come out of the event with no buzz or mystique. I recommend they be matched up in the near future to knock at least one of them off track.
Denis Kang....Denis....Denis....Denis...what happened?!? Kang came in looking sharp, landing sharp punches to Belcher's face, scoring takedowns at will, dominating on the ground. But after Belcher survived multiple ground assaults from Kang only to bounce back stronger, Kang was clearly frazzled. Falling into a guillotine choke was a weak way to go out but presumably better than taking a TKO beating. I've said this many many times, but if you get a man down on his back, put a beatdown on him before you go for a submission. Trying and failing to get the quick submission leaves you gassed and him feeling confident. A beat down leaves the fighter administering it ahead on more than the scorecard. I hope Kang can get a shot at redemption and re-emerge as a contender but he's going to have very little margin of error at his pay rate.
I don't expect to see Nate Mohr or Antonio Mendes back in the Octagon. Mohr is now 1-3 against UFC competition and Mendes is 0-2. Good luck in future endeavors guys.

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An emotional Mark Coleman post fight interview (video)

by Nick Thomas on Jan 18, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

We Aren't Asleep

Let me present my case:

First, Shogun is a veteran. He’s been through many, many wars in his lifetime. How could he not know what he needs to train in order to have the cardio for 15 minutes? And don’t forget that there are three 5 minute rounds in the UFC which allows him extra time to rest versus Pride’s one 10 minute round and one 5 minute round. the 3 5 minute round is actually a benefit not a hindrance.

Second, Shogun stated that he’s at 100% and in his prefight interview he said this is the hardest he’s trained in a long time. Did he train 1/3 less than he did before? The answer to that is no. And while injury may cause him to lose part of his skill, it shouldn’t cause him to lose his naturally gifted cardio. Some people are born with naturally better cardio and training can only add to it. How does a guy go from legendary cardio to legendarily bad cardio? And cardio is the one thing that he could have trained while he’s recovering from an injury. Get on that treadmill and run for 3 hours.

Third, he’s supposedly an elite fighter. He needs to have the cardio to go three rounds. He’s a professional who, at the least, should be able to go three rounds even if he’s getting his ass kicked. But he’s wasn’t getting his ass kicked. He was the one kicking ass. Coleman was obviously gassed in the first but the guy is 44. Shogun is 27, he shouldn’t have gassed that early. A guy may lose his fighting ability due to injury, but to lose his cardio? Hmmmm…

Last, there is the statistics. CroCop, Wanderlei, Filho, Nog, Sapp, and now Kang. The thing is, they didn’t just lose, these guys just plain look awful in their losses. One guy fall from grace is a fluke. But guys after guys who were once elite are now just looking plain PATHETIC across the pond? That is what you call a trend.

by cyph on Jan 18, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

You can’t run on a treadmill with a blown ACL.
Think with your brain!

by Kid Nate on Jan 18, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cyph...

is right. One of the first things he could get back to doing after the blown ACL was repaired is start running on a treadmill (not right away mind you, but well before he could start MMA training again). Not for 3 hours right away, but the give of the treadmill does help with the ability to start training again. When I tore my hamstring in half I was working every day in the physical therapy room with a college football player who blew out his ACL and a big part of his recovery was treadmill work.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Brent thats what he did the first time

There is also the mental aspect of tearing your ACL trying to come back too soon and too hard. I saw it with Jerry Rice when he reinjured his knee coming back early the first time. The second time he was meek and underperformed for the full duration of a season and people said it was time to retire. He went to the Raiders had another season to recoup and get his confidence in his body back and we went to 2 more pro bowls and was near the top of the NFL again despite being old and having had 2 horrible knee injuries.

Shogun is still young and just needs time.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just saying...

that he absolutely could have been on a treadmill. I’m not saying he was or wasn’t though as I have no real insight into that aspect of his training.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure its part of your recovery but not enough to rebuild your cardio to the levels of a professional athlete. You do the treadmill work to rebuild your knee but you can’t do the kind of long runs that you need to get your cardio back 100%. And each surgery entails a long lay off from any kind of cardio work. The idea that the surgeries and recoveries wouldn’t impact his cardio is silly.

by Kid Nate on Jan 18, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The problem is that he is a professional athlete getting paid big bucks. Even if we assume the injury did affect his cardio, how did he go from elite to TUF wannabe cardio like that. I thought I was watching a TUF preliminary fight.

by cyph on Jan 18, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

2 ACL reconstruction surgeries

15 years ago blowing an ACL was the end of your athletic career. Doing it twice back to back it still devastating.

by Kid Nate on Jan 18, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fine. I’ll buy that answer. Then was Filho injured as well? How about Nogueira? What about CroCop? I’m looking at the big picture here. I’m not jumping on Shogun because of one example, but there is a definite trend going on here. I can bury my head in the sand, but the anecdotal evidence is there.

by cyph on Jan 18, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nogueira has not underperformed in the UFC to any great extent. He thoroughly dominated Herring other than catching the kick to the head. He beat Sylvia and lost to Mir after suffering a staph infection in training. He’s also suffered numerous brutal beatings in his long career and most agree his Hall of Fame career was on the downside before coming to the UFC.

by Kid Nate on Jan 18, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No Filho is a drug abuser

and is still fucked up. Probably on PED’s – admitted to being addicted to Rohypnol. You read that right GHB – the date rape drug lol. I know you can take it as a party drug but thats gotta be hellacious on your body and it looked during the fight to have done permanent brain damage to Filho as well.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

rohypnol is not GHB. “Date rape drug” includes everything from barbituates to coors light. Its a sensationalistic TV news term not a medical descriptor.
Rohypnol was invented to provide pain relief without impairing mental faculties. Its only really dangerous when combined with alcohol. Still not something you want to mess with.

by Kid Nate on Jan 19, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

100%

I’ve had the back to back ACL tears and it wreaks havoc on your cardio. Also the treadmill work is used eventually but bike work is the foundation of the rehab because of the lack of stress it puts on the knee (After the first mile I ran on the treadmill my knee was swollen for two days). It is VERY hard to get back to where you were before the injuries.

by Day Man on Jan 18, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I should be clear...

that I don’t remember exactly where the guy I was rehabbing with was at in his recovery. I just don’t want to sound like I know more than anyone who has had these types of injuries and was providing what insight I had into it.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

THANK YOU

And Brent I have a training induced knee injury right now and its MINOR. It only lasted about a week and a half and it has kinda healed itself. But I still can’t train. For the first week I was more concerned about not collapsing while walking. Whether its a partially torn medial meniscus or was a dislocated patella or just bursitis – it was/is completely debilitating. There is no way I could get on a treadmill with even this little knick.

Having known a couple people that have blown ACL’s during their athletic career there is no way they could really train to their potential for a long long time. Even when you think you’re a 100, (because it finally feels good), your knee still isn’t completely structurally healed. Shogun needs another year to be at 100. The last 50% is the hardest because its when you begin to push yourself that you reinjure it as Shogun found out last time. Now he has to deal with that mindfuck AND rehab at the same time.

I think against Chuck we will see Shogun at 75-85% instead of this 60% Shogun we saw yesterday.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

a few things. you say injury “shouldn’t cause him to lose his naturally gifted cardio”, how do you know his cardio was ever “naturally gifted”. could have been medically gifted with EPO or nearly any other PED that increase red blood cell count, or at chute boxe maybe their training was more extreme then at his current training. as for running on a treadmill and running for 3 hours, thats great if your training to run for 3 hours, but hes training to fight which is more of an anerobic excersise. i doubt many marathon runners would have their “cardio” after fighting for 5mins. as for all the fighters you named, they all fought in pride where there is no testing and they all along with shogun, used drugs to preform. everyone always talks about cheating to get stronger or bigger, but increasing your red blood cell count is huge for aerobic and anerobic excersise. also i wouldnt doubt amphetamine use was common.

by #5mmafan on Jan 18, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Amphetamine use is legit

But you like everybody else here seems to have no idea what and how the tests work. EPO isn’t tested for because it can’t be pissed for. It requires a blood screening which is not done. If Shogun was on EPO he would STILL be on EPO.

If he was tweeking for fights THAT can be pissed for and would certainly be caught. THAT is a legitimate possibility. Doesn’t seem to fit Shogun’s personality though. Too happy go lucky to be a methhead

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

^ all true

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

“you like everybody else here seems to have no idea what and how” amphetamines are. a methhead would be someone who uses methamphetamines which is different from amphetamins. amphetamines our used by airforce pilots, was common amongst MLB players, and is prescribed by doctors for people with ADD. methamphetamins, though similiar in chemical structure are not the same thing.

by #5mmafan on Jan 18, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I know my fair share about drugs dude hence why I know what is pissed for and what isn't

I can go into the whole chemical differences between meth-amphetamines and basic amphetamines but i’ll suffice it to say that amphetamine is known technically as methylated phenylethylamine, while methamphetamine is known as double methylated phenylethylamine. The second methyl structure changes the compound’s interaction with the body. It makes it detectable longer by drug tests and increases the power and duration of the drug.

Adderall, (an amphetamine perscribed for ADD and often used as a party drug), will have you bouncing off the walls. Meth will have you bashing through them. Having taken the occasional Adderall in my past I can tell you the comedown, though minor compared to many other drugs, still sucks. It’s speed and you come down and you feel like shit and are depressed as hell. I’ve never seen any sign of that with Shogun in anything but its possible certainly. Meth, the side effects would be so drastic that I think you would notice Shogun doing something crazy in the ring. People that freak out on Meth do insane stuff… I would think if he was that tweeked out he might attack Yuji when he’s pulling him off somebody or go back after their body after he’s pulled off.

(In another reference to Filho, who I pity and hope he can get over his problems because he is talented though I will readily admit he’s one of the guys that got PRIDE its drug problem reputation. The effects that meth have on the body are as follows. I wouldn’t be surprised if Filho was abusing some sort of Rohypnol/Meth speedball.)

But that’s not all. Chronic abuse is associated with paranoia, hallucinations, strokes, and dementia. Also, it is exceptionally bad for your breath. And it’s no fun to get off the stuff : Withdrawal symptoms include seizures.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Do we need to have an intervention, skwirrl?

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by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok I see what you were replying to

Just read my comment I said methhead at the end while talking about amphetamines.

My mistake. Let me rephrase – Too happy go lucky to be tweeking IMO

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's my entire point

by cyph on Jan 18, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m astonished Rua and Coleman were rewarded for that embarrassing display.

This was such a useless PPV all around, one of the first in a long time that I’ve truly regretted watching. (By the time Franklin/Henderson started, I just wanted it to be over.) I hope UFC got no buys, maybe they’ll learn a lesson about putting on these types of shows.

by Chris Nelson on Jan 18, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think it was a couple things:

- The fight was very back and forth, one of the cornerstones of the bonus.

- Generosity towards Coleman. He isn’t going to get too many more fights before retiring, so tossing a bit of scratch his way is pretty cool of them.

- Generosity towards Rua. The kid has come back from pretty horrendous injuries (and subsequent surgeries) and still managed to fight. A lot of peoples careers would have been ended by said injuries. And if you see him in the post-fight stuff (interviews and such), he was really emotionally beat. With a little pick me up in this rough patch, he might be able to come back.

- Beyond the fact that both guys gassed, they both did everything they could to finish. I’ll admit that their cardio was awful. However, they continued to fight past the point of exhaustion. They were both almost dead in the ring. That sort of heart and gameness is worth something.

by Rundownloser on Jan 18, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

I’m with Chris on this, also. I would go a step further and say that Lytle and Davis shouldn’t have been rewarded with the display they put on. I fooled myself into thinking that Lytle would take it to the ground at some point, and I was a naive/stupid for doing so. That fight was awful in my mind, almost as bad as Rua/Coleman. I sympathize with Rua’s struggle to overcome serious injuries, but the fact is that he’s not anywhere close to being a contender at light heavyweight. Franklin/Henderson was the best fight that was aired, in my opinion. It wasn’t an epic battle by any stretch, but both guys delivered like the professionals they are.

by Cannon Jacques on Jan 18, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Yeah, Franklin/Henderson should have gotten it.

by Rundownloser on Jan 18, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Those are reasons for a locker room bonus not a fight of the night bonus.

by who me on Jan 18, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, I’m only trying to make sense of it.

by Rundownloser on Jan 18, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

^ Chris just above me has it right.

How the fuck do you give fight of the night to two guys having simultaneous coronary episodes in the middle of the Octagon?

I was embarrassed for both of them. I miss the old Shogun, but am almost positive at this point that he’s gone for good.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go watch my Final Conflict 05 DVD and cry a little.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 18, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah… When I watched UFC primetime, I was wondering why Dana was getting so pissed about training, and I’m like why does he worry so much about these guys conditioning…. now I understand that it just really makes for a poor show and puts a bad taste in my mouth towards the UFC.

by adamdd on Jan 18, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

(in terms of the buying of an event to watch people not be prepared)

by adamdd on Jan 18, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Shogun should consider reuniting with Wandy and getting in on the snorkel training.

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by Steve Barry on Jan 18, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I had been saying all along this was a weak card and i actually may not have been strong enough in my pre-fight criticism. Wow, this card was awful.

The UFC are going to really lose american fans if they keep putting on these weak ass european cards and expect people to continue shelling out 50 bucks. Just beyond pathetic what they are pulling on us.

There was no fight that stood out as even decent. They were all bore fests for the most part.

That the Coleman/Shogun fight was the most edge of the seat fight that night says something. And let me be clear, it was edge of the seat for all the wrong reasons.

by lbk on Jan 18, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I was laughing the whole time

The shogun coleman was was the funnest thing i’ve seen in a long time. I was almost crying it was so pathetic. The whole card was average a pathetic

by Hellrazer on Jan 18, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

How did "Rua vs Coleman" win co-fight of the night?

Was Dana watchign the same fight we were? Or is he just throwing a bone to Coleman, who pioneered the sport and didn’t make nearly the paycheck that Lidell, Franklin, Hughes, and others got.

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by thetakeover on Jan 18, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Damn y’all coleman looks like something out of lord of the rings in that picture. Homeboy looks like a cross between gollum and an ork.

by bringbackgroinstrikes on Jan 18, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

It may be the fact that it cost me the betting game, but I call early stoppage on Shogun-Coleman. You’re going to let a guy get his ass beat over and over again for 14 minutes and 30 seconds (and I swear on a stack of Bibles I had Coleman winning a split decision) and then call it? Bullshit.

by subo on Jan 18, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I actually..

commend the ref for that. The ref is supposed to react to things after 14 minutes 59 seconds as he is when the fight starts. I think it was maybe a touch early in terms of Mark appearing to grab for a leg for a takedown. But you can’t have refs changing HOW they ref based on the time left in a round/fight/etc.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I’d just ask them to be consistent from beginning to end. I didn’t think Coleman crumpled there any worse than he had before – and as you said, he immediately began working for a takedown.

But again, I’m probably just bitter that I would’ve won the damn game had Coleman pulled it off.

by subo on Jan 18, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know about that. I think once they’ve already been knocked down like that several times the cumulative damage justifies stopping it.

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ref’s do referee differently for different fighters, as they should. The newbies get less time/leeway and vets get the opposite (within reason). It was a hazy stoppage. I think that it would have been okay to let it go, especially given the fact that the guy had fifteen seconds left.

It’s anything but egregious, but I’m with subo.

by Rundownloser on Jan 18, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Younger Fighters/Vets...

is different than the “pretend there is no clock” rule for refs.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

When you said round/fight/etc. I thought that you meant that the ref was supposed to conduct himself/herself the same in every circumstance, i.e. ref every fighter between any two fighters the same. If you aren’t saying that, then we don’t disagree.

Sorry for the mix up.

by Rundownloser on Jan 19, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yah

The clock is always there – no matter who the fighter is. You can make adjustments based on the fighter for how much punishment they can justifiably take but if it needs to be stopped it doesn’t matter if there is 14:59 left or 0:01 left or if its Hunt in there or Sean Salmon. Its gotta stopped.

The ref at Dynamite was on top of his game. He was in there like a bolt of lightning as soon as he saw that combo connect on Hunt. Melvin only had to land a couple of shots on the ground before he was getting ripped off.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 19, 2009 4:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

Coleman had too much accumulated damage for it to warrant going any further. Despite how ugly it was Shogun hurt him over and over and over again to the point where it was getting dangerous.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Jan 18, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs