UFC 93 Live Results and Commentary
by Kid Nate on Jan 17, 2009 7:34 PM EST
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Be sure and join me at 3pm ET for live blogging of UFC 93. Bloody Elbow will, as always, be the place to come for fun, intelligent and reasonably civil commentary on the action.
Will Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson be such a barn burner that it will refute those who claimed this wasn't a fight worthy of headlining a PPV?
Will Mark Coleman show the doubters that he's still a force to be reckoned with in MMA? Will Mauricio "Shogun" Rua come back from knee surgery and reclaim the form that had many regarding him as the world's best light heavyweight for almost two years running?
Ok, here we go, the broadcast has begun. Remember, no spoiling the preliminary fights if you've peeked at those results.
Chris Lytle vs Marcus Davis -- Davis bounds out to "Jump Around", draped in the Irish flag. Lytle looks confident. The Dublin crowd seems quite pumped. Big cheer for Davis. Never seen this ref before. Here we go. Lytle scores early with punches and has Davis stunned but Davis recovers. They do some hockey fighting in the cneter of the ring. Davis landing uppercuts. Lytle throwing high kicks. Davis countering on a Lytle charge. Davis tags with a left hand counter. Leg kicks from Lytle. Will be hard to score. Not sure what the football chant is. Davis throws Lytle down off a caught kick, doesn't follow him down. Lytle tags him with a right. Davis drops Lytle, but back to their feet. Lytle lands a knee, a teep. The get mutal collar ties and trade hockey punches. Lylte ends with a flurry. Very hard to score, I'll go with a 10-9 for Davis based on the drop. Good round but not epic. Round 2. Lytle coming forward. Lytle charges in and Davis covers and then flees. Davis drops him with a liver kick. Ref stands them back up. Lytle coming forward, Davis countering, circling away. Lytle is trying to corner Davis. Davis lands an elbow to the face, another body kick. Davis dodges some looping hooks and lands a jab. Exchange of punches in the clinch. Lytle is missing with bombs but Davis' counters are not landing clean either. Davis eats a straight right, lands a left. An uppercut lands as they hockey fight. Very tough to score. I'd say Lytle landed more hard shots but I'm giving it to Davis off the kick that dropped Lytle. 10-9 Marcus. Lytle's down on my score card. Round 3. They open with a hug, then exchange blows. Davis catches another kick. Lytle trying to protect his right flank. Davis lands ANOTHER kick there. Lytle is open for a right to the head. Lytle winging bombs. Davis lands a knee. I'd like to see someone go for the kill. Lylte's right eye is swelling. Lytle lands a body shot, Davis answers with a kick/knee combo. They're trading against the cage. Davis' face is marked up. Trading to the end. Good fight not great. Could go either way. I'm going with Marcus Davis 29-28. Davis takes a split decision. Likely to be fight of the night.
Alan Belcher vs Denis Kang Kang waits in the Octagon as Belcher comes out to Johnny Cash. Rich Clementi in his corner. They're erroneously displaying the French flag on Kang's stat card. Annoying! Belcher has his hands LOW to start. Kang's landing to the head. Kang with a double leg takedown to Belcher's guard. Kang gets to 1/2 guard. Kang cradles Belcher's head, passes, Belcher turns. Kang gets side control but Belcher reattains guard. Belcher kicks Kang off, back to standing. Kang landing with head shots. Kang with another double leg to Belcher's guard. We're heading to a 10-8 round at this rate. Kang not landing anything from Belcher's guard. Kang goes for an anaconda after flirting with a d'arce choke now working a kimura. Belcher escapes. Elbows from side control, knees to the body. Kang all the way in his first UFC round. Round 2. Kang landing early, Belcher presses him against the cage, Kang tries a trip sweep, Belcher escapes. Back to the center of the cage. Another double leg by Kang. Belcher gets butterfly guard. Kang to 1/2 guard, Belcher working for a sweep, can't get it. Kang has him cradled. Kang working towards side guard. Can't pass, does some GnP. Belcher back to guard. Miragliotta stands them back up. Belcher throwing kicks. Kang bouncing, breathing heavy, moving away. Kang goes for a double, Belcher pulls guard with a guillotine! Kang taps out! Amazing! Alan Belcher by guillotine submission. Kang disappoints again.
Jeremy Horn vs Rousimar Palhares Did Goldberg just say that Palhares' loss to Dan Henderson was a rematch? Palhares has two hard to spell names and a long hard to spell nickname. I'm cutting and pasting "Toquinho" into my browser now. Micheal Bisping draws boos from the Irish crowd. Feeling out process in the center of the ring. Toquinho throws a hook and turns it into a trip. Horn in butterfly guard. Toquinho gets his back quicly. One hook in, hammerfists landing. Move to side control, back to to back, now Horn gets full guard! Nicely played Gumby. Toquinho drops for a leg lock, Horn escapes. Horn goes for a triangle. Toquinho escapes. Back to their feet, Toquinho gets a trip. To 1/2 guard, lots of transitions, Toquinho gets Horn's back, is beating Gumby. Horn rolls for a knee, Toquinho grabs the fence. Back to the ground, Toquinho goes for a leg, fails. Round ends with Palhares on Horn's back, Horn turtled up, eating shots. 10-9 Palhares. Round 2. Palhares lands a right, moves to a single leg, turns it into a slamming takedown to 1/2 guard. Horn almost sweeps, no dice. Toquinho gets his back again, more hammerfists. This is weak match-making IMO. Horn is eating shots, tries to stand, Palhares fights it off, Horn gets a single to top position. Horn gets mount! Arm triangle attempt. Toquinho escapes. Well played by Horn. Toquinho sweeps to escape mount. Back to the feet. Toquinho shoots, gets stuffed eats a rich and a kick. Horn lands a left hook. Throws a kick and gets taken down. Toquinho in Horn's guard. Toquinho might be gassing. Horn goes for a triangle, than an omaplata. Toquinho escapes, back to 1/2 guard. Toquinho landing shots. Bell rings, Toquinho helps Horn up in a sign of respect for his game performance. I'd call it a 10-10 round due to the momentum shift and the hard shots landed standing by Horn. Toquinho was working toward a 10-8 round early on but lost his lead. Round 3 Spilled a beer there on the laptop but we're ok! Whew. Was discussing Edith's shady past. Toquinho in Horn's guard after some early scrambles. Horn goes for a triangle. Toquinho gets away and gets Horn's back. More hammerfists. Horn battles to standup, back to the ground, back to guard. Crowd is booing the ground game. Rogan is calling for a standup. Ref stands them back up. Horn pawing with jabs. Lands a high kick. Toquinho stuffs a shot, gets to Horn's 1/2 guard. Crowd boos as we head to a decision. I call it 30-28 for Palhares. Some nice take downs from Toquinho in the highlights. The judges say it was a unanimous 30-27 decision for Palhares.
Thomas Egan vs John Hathaway One from the undercard. Hathaway stuffs a whizzer and gets on top. Egan almost fights to his feet, but Hathaway gets him back down. Hathaway dominant on the ground but Egan almost gets up. Hathaway trips him down. Hathaway with ground and pound but a game Egan gets back up. Egan's only in his fourth pro fight. Has the crowd at his back -- he's the Irishman against an Englishman in Dublin so its expected. Hathaway gets him down again, more scrambling, Hathaway starts landing elbows, Egan gives up the mount, takes a beating before the ref stops it. The crowd boos a victorious Hathaway. John Hathaway by TKO in round 1.
Mark Coleman vs Mauricio Shogun Rua Coleman comes out to AC/DC. Shogun was rocking some sort of House music. Advantage Coleman despite looking like a wizened Smeagel/Golem. Brandon Lee Hinkle and Phil Baroni in Coleman's corner -- Hammer House in full effect! Ninja backing his brother. Shogun avoids eye contact in the intro. Coleman lands a takedown but eats a knee coming in. Coleman landing some ground and pound. Shogun rolls for a knee, Coleman escapes but Shogun gets to his feet. Coleman gets another takedown quickly. Crowd chanting Shogun. Guess they don't like AC/DC. Shogun working a takedown. Shogun gets it. Coleman on his back. Shogun passes to side control quickly. No blows landed yet. Coleman's feet on the cage. Coleman gets to his feet. They're trading. Coleman is gassed. Eating leg kicks but answering with punches. Shogun with knees. Coleman shoots, fails. Coleman gives up his back but revests to get on top. Shogun back to his feet. Both men look tired. Shogun drops him with a big right hand. Coleman works back to his feet, Shogun gets the thai plum and is working knees as the round ends. 10-9 Rua. Phil Baroni's corner advice is completely delusional. Round 2. Shogun feeding Coleman leg kicks. Coleman landing jabs. Shogun with some big punches. Coleman shoots and gets a doubleleg. Shogun back to his feet, taking no damage on the ground. Shogun with a takedown, Coleman flips him over, back to their feet. Thai plum. They trade jabs. Coleman with an uppercut. Shogun with a combination of punches. Coleman survives the thai plum again. Shogun is gassed too. They're clinching, both tired. Shogun with knees from the plum. Coleman with a takedown. They stand and Coleman staggers Shogun with a punch. Coleman gets a takedown. Shogun with an omaplata with a minute left. Shogun landing punches to Coleman's face and looking at the clock. They're stalemated with Shogun landing shots as the bell rings. Round 3 Round 3 Baroni is telling Coleman he's going to "fucking win dude". Coleman lands a jab and a body punch. Shogun gets the plum again. Coleman shoots, Shogun working for a kimura but falls to guard. Coleman to 1/2 guard, landing elbows. Shogun trying to sweep him, now working for a heel hook. Coleman escapes, puts Shogun down again. Has Rua's back, landing punches. Shogun gets back up, thows a knee to the face of a downed Coleman. Gets a warning. The knee was to the body! Bad call ref. Shogun forces Coleman to the fence and lands a flurry of shots. The ref stops it. Coleman is upset with the call. That was a brutal series of shots at the end. The uppercut was textbook. Mauricio Shogun Rua by TKO. I don't think Rua will be a force in the division anytime soon.
Dan Henderson vs Rich Franklin Here's the main event. I'm very stoked for this one. Some quick flurries on the feet. Henderson slips. Henderson gets a takedown. Has Franklin up against the cage. Pounding Rich Franklin! They're back to their feet. Franklin landing kicks to the body. Henderson goes for a collar tie to do some dirty boxing. Franklin gets away. Franklin with a superman punch, a leg kick. Franklin with a combination of punches. Hendson lands a right uppercut. Time winding down. Henderson with a below the belt kick. They tie up. Henderson is breathing heavy.I'd give it to Henderson 10-9 based on the takedown and the beating administered there. Franklin bleeding from a headbutt. Round 2 They're exchanging early. Henderson connecting with some punches and kicks. Henderson goes to tie up, Franklin counters with a knee and a punch. Franklin escapes the clinch. Henderson lunging with punches, Franklin evades. Franklin with a body kick. They clinch. Henderson gets the takedown. Franklin in guard. Some scrambling, no advantage gained. Franklin rolling for an arm bar fails, back to full guard. Henderson gets 1/2 guard, has Franklin cradled. Landing no shots but controlling position. Dan with an elbow. 10-9 Henderson. Round 3 Franklin with kicks and hooks. Lands a straight left. Henderson tries to get a takedown, fails, tries again and succeeds. In Franklin's guard. Franklin escapes! Gets Henderson's back is laying on some ground and pound. Henderson stands up. Franklin pushing him against the cage. Henderson looks tired. Back to their feet. Two minutes left. Franklin stalking. Landing body kicks. Franklin pushing Henderson to the cage. Henderson working for grips. Fraklin with knees and foot stomps. Back to standing. Franklin socring with punches and kicks. Henderson slips off a kick. Henderson hurts Franklin with a brutal eye poke. Damn. Looks accidental. Long time out. They hug. Back to it. Henderson winging rights. Bell rings. I'd give that one to Rich. My final score -- Dan Henderson 29-28. Let's see what the judges say. Two judges agree. Split decision victory for Dan Henderson.
That's it folks. We'll follow up with commentary and analysis and full results this evening.
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Man...
as odd as it is…I’m actually going to miss liveblogging tonight’s show. I’ve got a family issue that I need to take care of so I won’t be able to check out the show live tonight. I can’t wait to get back into the swing of MMA things next week.
Have fun with the liveblog crowd Nate. They’re a buncha damn animals.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 17, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
thanks man! I miss you do, live blogging is a lot of work and entails sobriety!
by Kid Nate on Jan 17, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weak.
Shogun has always been wild. It always appears that he is under-conditioned but he puts on a pace higher than any one else at LHW and nobody can keep up with it, barely him. He’s always been kind of sloppy but never over-rated. I have no doubts you will see that one day. Saying he’s not a contender is something I would expect from Kevin Iole but not here.
by KneeToTheFace on Jan 17, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh you...
Following me to a different thread to comment on my thoughts from a prediction article…and trashing what I said…and then being proven so positively wrong.
He A) gassed, B) did not take out a 44 year old man who was gassed about a minute and a half into the fight until about 20 seconds from the end of the fight, and C) was getting dominated for the majority of the third round by said tired ass 44 year old.
Yes, that…that pretty much cements that he is not a contender right now and that a lot of people ARE (or I guess I should say WERE) overrating him.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
darnit
I hate thes Euro shows in the afternoon, I always work until 9pm on Saturdays, Now I gotta actually do some work the whole night and stay off of BE!
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Jan 17, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm staying home for this one
and by staying home, I mean watch illegally.
A lot of cards turn out better then what they look like on paper but I’m looking forward for the upcoming 2 weeks rather then this one.
Overseas PPV’s need to be on television as I can’t imagine going to a bar at 3pm….
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you need to
drink MOAR
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t imagine going to a bar at 3? Jesus, I feel like a degenerate.
by subo on Jan 17, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about the west coast?
Heading to bar at noon must be fun.
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Done it many times
Try a good Brit pub – you can get breakfast, (if you call what the Brits eat food), and beer at the same time. I like Bangers and Mash myself so its a good deal.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has been taking a shit on this card from comments I read on other sites and unnamed forums filled with morons, but usually the best fights are the ones that do not have any hype, because people are not expecting to see anything.
When the fight has ridiculous hype, people will say “Meh, it wasn’t as good as I thought it would be.” I have a feeling this card is going to kick ass and I am looking forward to it.
P.S- Did they use a picture of Coleman from 2002 for the poster? Does not look like him at all anymore.
by DirtyML on Jan 17, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The problem
is this card has bad timing more then anything. I’m saving my money for next week and the week after that.
It’s true that when a card has lower expectations, it surprises people but still, how many people are actually going to pay for this card?
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guy who just played TF2 for 4 hours reporting in.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
I can do GOW for about 4-5 hours (usually all-nighters) straight, myself.
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never would have pegged you as a GOW fan. ;-)
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just finished an hour with Saints Row 2.
by Nick Thomas on Jan 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just finished doing level 40 Horde in Gears of War 2
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TF2 is the best.
I play in the game under the same name I post on here with.
Spy is my fav class by far.
by DirtyML on Jan 17, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steam or Live?
I play PC, Mouse is the best for FPS’s
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn right, I'll add you on steam
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It feels so weird. I’m not going to be drunk for this one.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
10% odds this fight is actually a stand up brawl.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great pace for round 1
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They’re slowing down somewhat. I give the rounds to Lytle for being the aggressor and Davis being Speedy Gonzalez.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Euro cards. The fans get REALLY into it.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fight’s a little on the slow side. Both guys are so obsessed with keeping this up that they’re headhunting with single shots. Fight’s up for grabs right now.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Man, if Davis csan last another 5 this could be a crazy finish.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good fight. Not fight of the century, as Davis would this to go down as.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Damage + Aggression = Lytle win. But with a pro Davis crowd, the judges may give it to him.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I say Davis SD. I had Davis winning, but barely
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis's knees should give him 2 rounds
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was definitely flashier with his street fight combo… and of course, the crowd sways the decision.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More effective striking
I had it 29-28 for Lytle based on aggression but Davis did land better shots so I’m cool with 29-28 Davis.
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like Rogan/Goldie were so gung ho for this to be the best fight ever that they missed the fact that this was a mediocre fight
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would be seriously surprised if Henderson/Franklin wasn’t better.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It better be. Davis and Lytle are fun, but they’re not in the same league as fighters.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be the same
guy brawling running at the other guy while the other guy counters and picks him apart.
Just on a higher level of course.
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, I’m guessing Henderson isn’t thinking about keeping it standing though, and we may be better off as a result.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea with half the match spent on the cage with tiny gutshuts and knees to the leg. Awesome!
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The fight was decent, but the striking was kinda limited. I have Davis winning because I thought he effectively countered well in the last two rounds with one twos. Nowhere near the fight a lot of people were hoping for though.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
...
i need to know if Christ Lytle’s contract gives him a win bonus… cause if it doesnt.. i call bullshit on the crap he does. why even have a black belt?
retarded.
by ruckus on Jan 17, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lytle should have taken it to the ground after about 60 seconds of Rd 2 when it was clear Davis was quicker and fresher. He stayed on the feet, and lost (IMO) because of their agreement. Winning was less important than a sloppy lunging slugfest.
Congrats!
by jebushchrist on Jan 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think FOTN bonus is better than his win bonus so I think he was shooting for that.
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I just don’t get not doing everything you can to win. It’s hard for me to accept that.
by jebushchrist on Jan 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taking it to the ground and submitting a guy makes you a pussy?
I guess Fedor is a huge pussy then.
by jebushchrist on Jan 17, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The slugfest didn't really happen
I thought it would be more of a brawl than it was. A lil bit disappointed.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can Shogun beat Coleman?
I love Shogun – but I have to agree with Kid Nate – no one benefited from Pride Rules more than he did. If Coleman isn’t an entirely spent force he could beat Shogun via GnP alone.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think that's underselling shogun, he has legit skills, he just isn't a top 3-5 LHW.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That and when Shogun wins, everyone can act like it was a really impressive thing that he did.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun will beat Coleman
Not so much that Shogun is top of the world or whatever, but Coleman is really really old, and hasn’t fought in 2 years. He’s no Couture.
Unless Shogun’s injury resurfaces, he should win by some sort of leglock submission.
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fun first round. Lots of technical stuff going on when it hit the mat.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kang showing off that black belt.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great fight.
Too bad for Lytle.
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Belcher has no answer for Kang's position control
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL Kang. See you in Bellator, dogg.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think that stand-up was early?
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit, I see what you mean. No, not really.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant earlier in the round.
I guess my feed is a minute slower than everyone elses…
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kang always disappoints….pass the guard dude….
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can we now admit that UFC fighters are just plain better? Kang couldn’t even beat a B level UFC fighter.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He did an awesome job beating a Hero’s washout.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kang is supposedly elite. Belcher isn’t.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody with a brain thinks that
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that anybody has been calling Kang elite for a little while now.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kang lost only to the best fighters overseas. Here, he lost to Belcher…the guy that got whipped by Jason Day.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re about 2 years late with noticing he isn’t.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kang ----> Sengoku
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lol - can you not start that debate cyph...
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
As good as he is on the ground, he frequently makes mistakes. He almost got triangled earlier.
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh stupid mistakes
He’s like me at bjj but on a higher level….
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he a black belt?
So disappointing.
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Belvher Vs. Silva bahahahahahahahahahaha
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
cyph you realize that
Kang hasn’t been a top fighter in Japan for a while right.
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
He hasn’t been the same since his fiancee passed away. I guess his heart is just not in it anymore.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard about that...
damn…that has to suck
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Commit suicide right before the finals of the MW grand prix. He’s 4-4 since it happened.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's sad :<
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or rather, she overdosed on pain meds. I forget if it was suicide or not.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for anyone who didn’t see my clarification, she OD’d on pain meds, not sure if it was suicide or not, my memory is kind of hazy.
Regardless, damned shitty story.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DUDE
i am so bummed. Kang was doing real good too.
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah belcher by sub....
who would’ve guessed that?
the shoot was unnecessary as it was close to the end of the round too
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kang was dominating. He just got sloppy. Honestly, he looked a little tired to me. Belcher’s still not a “top dog.”
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 17, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's not even that he makes mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes
He just makes the same mistakes over and over. If Belcher was Mousasi, he would’ve caught the same triangle he did the tourney like, 3 or 4 times over.
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Palhares in round 1
I seriously think if he perfects a good double leg he could beat AS
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side I picked Belcher in the betting game.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You know I almost did it too.
But for some reason I went with the crowd, believed Belcher was the bigger choke player and look where it got me.
At least I didn’t bet much.
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Belcher has real problem with his striking defense. At one point he was pulling up is shorts right inside Kang’s range. what the hell
by yngjzy on Jan 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JACKSON VS. JARDINE?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dammit... I knew Kang would beat Belcher on his feet too...
Mousasi I can understand subbing him but come on Denis Belcher got you on the ground?
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WHY DENIS WHY
You could have just outboxed him for another round :(
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he was outboxing Mousasi too
Denis has anti Andy Wang syndrome, he has gotta be the most skilled dude on his feet that insists on grappling
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That probably means that winner of Machida/Silva for a title shot. I never thought that they’d set that fight up.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whats this jackson vs jardine talk? my feed went out
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Goldberg said it would be upcoming. Forget whic event
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They just announced the main event of 96 is Jackson vs Jardine in their rundown of events.
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
VOMITS
Sorry guys, I just threw up after learning this
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok what the hell just happened? Why are people spouting crazy shenanigans like Jackson vs Jardine?
by ricker2005 on Jan 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m so pissed right now. Why not Jackson vs Evans????
PORQUE?!
by ricker2005 on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that shows what the UFC thinks of Wand...
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toquino looks like he's aged a lot since his last fight.
That’s really weird…
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s a weird fight to put together. So is Evans going to sit out for awhile or is winner of Lyoto-Silva going to get the title shot
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lyoto plz.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s up with Palhares crying on his entrance walk?
by Scott Haber on Jan 17, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
God UFC's entrance music sucks
I wonder if they get kickbacks from shitty bands like Linkin Park to play their shit for like every other guy
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
they're building the rashad rampage fight with the camp beef with jardine after he gets hl reel KOed
But who knows. Jardine is inconsistent, but when he’s on he’s pretty good. His spastic fighting style might just put rampage off, especially if he uses leg kicks like forrest did.
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The rumor re: Evans/Rampage is that both were being offered a ton to fight on short notice. I’m guessing Rashad told them he decided against it and Jardine jumped in. Doubt it makes a difference in terms of who gets next dibs. What is interesting is that Rashad’s change to being a counter puncher makes me think Jardine will beat him.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Err, Rampage’s change to being a counter puncher.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean rampage in the last sentence right?
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jardine will beat Rampage like Kang will beats Belcher.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m confused. Is this supposed to be a burn? Like, after I’ve run down Kang on every forum on the net for the last week?
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the fighter chooses their own entrance music
What music would you enter too?
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Something by Aretha Franklin or Ottis Redding. Just to switch it up.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sitting on the Dock of the Bay FUCK YEAR!!!
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be incredible.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jan 17, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would enter to,.....
Nyan Nyan. Look it up on the youtubes.
by IHateMMA on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UFC only allows certain music
Its rare when they let a fighter pick his own music. Monson and Diamond were exceptions to the rule
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any evidence to support that or is it just a guess?
by ricker2005 on Jan 17, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I read it somewhere
like only a week or two ago. It was either a fighter interview or a Dana interview
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously? I thought they let whatever music.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, they allow fighters to pick their own music, as long as its reasonably effective as a walk in song. Thats why you won’t hear any jewel. Among other reasons.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No... I remember now it was a Dana interview -
He wants music that gets you “pumped to watch a fight” stupid. Which means Linkin Park every time. I wonder if he’d let Hellboy come out to Slayer.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He let Cro Cop come out to Wild Boys. Nog comes out to Stones. Fighters have plenty of leeway as long as the song doesn’t totally fucking suck.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crocop has come out to Wildboys his whole career dude
He’s not gonna tell Mirko no on that
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is obviously incorrect
unless you’re saying only stars choose their own music:
BJ Penn – Own music for sure
Forrest Griffin – own music for sure
Crocrop – own music for sure
the list goes on
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don’t think that Dong Hyun Kim got to play the music he wanted to. I remember Dana making fun of it on a vlog.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s coz Kim wanted to come out to a remix of Bryan Fucking Adams. Dana was right to tell him no. Even if it would have been hilarious.
by SamCupitt on Jan 17, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffen comes out to uptempo music anyways.
Crocop has ALWAYS come out to the same song. I don’t remember what BJ comes out to. I’m not just making this up this is from Dana’s own mouth
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but you’re interpreting it to mean they can only come out to Linkin Park, which is laughably wrong.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is people can't come out to original shit
Monson coming out to Imagine was rare as shit
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Otis Redding would never get approved
As another guy said he wanted that song
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They can come out to stuff as long as it doesn’t totally fucking suck. That gives a lot of leeway.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll find that interview and post it in a fanpost for you
then you can say you’re wrong
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You do that. Unlike some other people on here, I’ll actually admit if I am.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do it later tonight...
I’m on a wireless card with bad reception – I have barely enough bandwidth to watch. Its been fuckin up constantly
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BJ Penn
comes out to the hawaiin island chillout type music
And Forrest Griffin comes out to that Irish/Scottish stuff….
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forrest comes out to dropkick murphy i think.
they are from Boston iirc
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffen comes out to dropkick murphys
or flogging molly can’t remember which band its by – its uptempo though. Dana wants “fight music” only
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Nate Mohr got to walk out to the SCISSOR SISTERS – I dont feel like dancing. The gayest song of all time for his UFC 79 bout with Manny Gamburyan.
by SamCupitt on Jan 17, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage by rape
If Rampage trains right and fights right he should be able to destroy Jardine.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Knockout power VS no chin = highlight reel.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Vera and Liddell about Jardine’s chin sometime.
by George Lucas on Jan 18, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Horn gets cut after this fight for sure.
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Definition of a 10-8
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Jeremy Horn isn’t competitive against someone superior in every aspect. I ,for one, am shocked.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's not always true - see liddell jardine.
Jardine has good leg kicks, and rampage has shown that he doesn’t deal with those well. Not saying Jardine will win but it’s no blowout.
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was a nice little Marcelo Garcia sweep by Horn.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow
Palhares is fucking strong. Dude is no joke.
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, does ANYBODY know why this is main card?
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HE'S A WARRIOR
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Horn had a good minute and Palhares is gassed. Too bad Horn is gassed too. Unless Palhares does something really, really stupid, he’s got this in the bag.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, this round turned out better than expected…
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So far Lytle David is the worst fight on the main card
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah striking
isn’t as fun as grappling to watch.
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Palhares/Horn turned out pretty nifty. I for one am glad that I got to see it.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Palhares lifts buffaloes for strength training
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great fight so far – Davis/Lytle fight was probably better for the casual fan though.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i will say this
that logan bitch is HATIN on that edith chick. its like the little tits are jealous of the bigger tits. hot chicks may be hot, but damn are they stupid bitches
by georgehouse on Jan 17, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
do elaborate on how you came up with that?
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
look at logan
everytime edith sits down, logan looks at her like she is shitting in her cereal. damn i hate katy bitches. they should have never put her in there.
by georgehouse on Jan 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She’s probably worried that Edith is going to spin around and knock her off her stool. And please dont tell me your complaining about potential strife in the Octagon Girls?
by SamCupitt on Jan 17, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can infer all of that from a 20 second walk around a cage?
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
his grappling is great and his ground control was completely dominating but he just isn’t as dangerous as he should be given his skill level
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta give Horn
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The respect between these two..
Reminds me of Silva/ Franklin
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aside from the side choke attempt from Horn, all Palhares. I imagine we may see Horn again too if he’s willing to fight cheaply enough.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even though he lost, pretty impressive performance by Horn.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Generalizaion Alert
Difference between training in an American camp and in Brazil.
In the US they emphasize cardio and conditioning. Brazil emphasizes skill. Palhares has the skill so he should join a US camp and train his gas tank.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
=-=
its not toquin HO
its tonquino. i mean there is an H in there but its silent
damnit Bruce
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hand injury
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
take it you don’t look at the prelim results lol
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Had Egan ever grappled in his life? He was helpless in there. It looked like a KOTC opener.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
does anyone have a feeling that egan is a bit too green to be in the UFC?
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone thinks that
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they were desperate to have an Irishman on the card.
by Kid Nate on Jan 17, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeh....
it’s a bit of a failure if he just gets beat down like that…
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he only got in because the card is in ireland.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to generally be the case with Irish fighters. If the US fight scene is a 10, and the British scene a 5, the Irish scene is like a -3.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best Irish fighter is a guy from Boston who probably can’t spell “Gaelic”.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly...
I think there are loads of guys in the smaller shows who would easily take that Irish kid
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone watching this for free online? Where can I do that…
As I crawled out the window with my shadow on the spoon
dancing on the roof, shooting holes in the moon
by SoulSuckinJerk on Jan 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's called google
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Not the time and place dude
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Random Question
Is the cast list for TUF 9 out yet?
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, my bad. me = technologically un-inclined, and i forgot this was airing in the afternoon so my ppv won’t let me order it late.
As I crawled out the window with my shadow on the spoon
dancing on the roof, shooting holes in the moon
by SoulSuckinJerk on Jan 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what happened
so far nothing for me…
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd tell you but
I’d be breaking the law
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no i mean they said franklin/hendo was up next… kinda confused me for a second.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll will be on unless Coleman cut himself in the back over money and they’re just not gonna tell us.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Petruzelli in 6 seconds
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the execution starts now. I wonder if Coleman would scream like Randleman instead of tapping?
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just on another note...
WHY KANG WHY DID YOU GRAPPLE WHEN YOU WERE KICKING BELCHERS ASS. ANTI ANDY WANG AGGHHHHHH
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because he was supposed to be superior on the ground too.
He just frequently makes mistakes. He is a Black Belt for shit’s sake.
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know he is which makes it even more bizarre...
But he’s great on his feet. He was outstriking Mousasi standing for Christ’s sake then followed him down and got subbed. I think Akiyama made him gunshy standing.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully rua trained for this fight and he doesn’t look like shit like he did against griffin
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He couldn't train against Griffen
He shredded his knee a month + before the fight
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rua taking a hint from Wanderlei and coming out to gay club music
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Shogun drops E before the bout.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This makes Sandstorm sound like Slayer.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Though it does explain his shorts.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Where is Hellboy with Angel of Death
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, swkirrl, how does Shogun’s gay club music fit in with your “Linkin Park” theory of walk-in music selection requirements?
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Shogun didn’t want to come into it. He wanted to come into Avril Lavigne.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun is not bald
This spells trouble.
Bald fighters dominate in the UFC. 4/5 champions right now are bald.
Do you guys think this will have an effect on the outcome of this fight?
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Frank Trigg was destined to be champion eventually then.
What is your take on the two bald forces of BJ Penn and GSP colliding? Will they generate so much power that they both will spontaneously grow a full head of hair?
by DirtyML on Jan 17, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WAR SHOGUN
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, he is wearing the short shorts
Short shorts vs lack of baldness.
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
UFC fighters learned about Baldness being good
After Kimo vs Royce
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Awesome memory there. Rec’d.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 18, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at Baroni. This will be the closest he gets to being back in the UFC
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. He just needs UFC to run Italy and look for guys that would appeal to that market. It worked for that Egan kid, right?
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roid User parade!
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coleman almost started a brawl with Stitch!
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He probably tripped over something in the back again.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Shogun weighed in at 14.6 stone
he must be in shape
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
im nervous for Rua. Pride guys havent been doing to well
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coleman is a PRIDE guy too. Maybe a black hole will develop and take them both in?
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well to be fair he was in the UFC first.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would go for Coleman too, I suppose.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Long as Rua doesn't make like Kang
Whupping Colemans ass around the ring for the first round and half then decide he wants to wrestle him the rest of the match… He should be alright
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rua doesn't have your chin Baroni.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Adrenaline from the layoff
Shogun is getting comfy now
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coleman gassed after 45 seconds of the fight. If Shogun is able to get a double leg against him, this is over.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dude is too old. Couture is a serious outlier, and time is probably catching up to him too.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just about over. the ref was a millisecond from stepping in
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WOW Rua is seriously tired. butColeman is even more tired
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This fight was a joke from the time it was announced. Coleman’s lucky they didn’t stop that in round 1. Now he’s gonna get the chance to end up like Teligman.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coleman may die.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Baroni, he sure is hurt
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
whether or not either of these fighters were better in pride to to roids/other drugs, we can conclusively say that baroni is on crack
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I hear, this is a shitty, lazy fighter against a shitty old fighter. Sad.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shogun looked slow in the first and slower in the second. Almost as bad as he looked vs Griffin
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How the hell did Rua just get taken down?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A friend of mine just asked: “Who is this Shogun character and why am I supposed to care?”
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And quite honestly that a good question right about now.
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Something similar about how he was and how Shogun is now
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why am I thinking about Frank Mir right now?
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like Mir's first fight after the motor accident
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it me or..
Does Shogun look sloppy?
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shogun is so gassed, it's pathetic,
Need roids now!
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else think that if Shogun passes out here, his UFC career is over?
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yep. he’s looked terrible in both his fights so far
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
an omoplata would save this fight for shogun in my eyes
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chute Box Steroid Mystique = Gone
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
UFC doesn't test for EPO either
which is what Shogun would have been using for his stamina. He was never muscular in PRIDE either. So he obviously wasn’t cheating over there or he would still be using EPO over here.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coleman has fought most of this bout like a corpse, and amazingly, Shogun’s career still looks buried.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and this is far and away the funniest commentary on a fight, between here and fightlinker, i have ever seen.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's like Mickey Rourke from the wrestler is fighting Zombie Shogun
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looked like an uppercut to the crotch.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It might take a while for Shogun to get his cardio back
He’ll look better next fight
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s what folks were saying about his fight.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how can anyone have shogun in the top 10 after this? damn…
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Top 15
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They had Henderson at #15 last meta rankings, and CHUCK LIDDELL at #5.
Trust me Shogun will be in the top 3.
by DirtyML on Jan 17, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baroni’s commentary is the only redeeming thing about this fight.
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Roids...for sure
Shogun….needs to go to ATT or something to train. Or AKA……
Build his cardio. Tree stump should go with him
F*** those brrazilians have to learn how to train conditioning
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Artist Formerly Known As Shogun needs to fight Paulo Filho in a ‘zombie leaves town’ match.
by jebushchrist on Jan 17, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shogun Vs. Wand?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I hope they cut both. Neither guy is worth a damn at this point.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeh Shogun should go to the US to train
He does have decent talent….but he has shitty shitty training
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Friend says
He might train here in Toronto (Toronto BJJ)
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just want Coleman to win for the lulz
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think we can all agree that shogun/vera is the possible dream matchup of 2009
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Comedy of errors
Shogun already used up his injury excuse last time. What would he use this time?
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
long layoff
having a knee injury myself, cardio is one big problem…not sure if he’ll ever be the same though
by achengy on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
6 or 8 months back from the knee injury
That being said he cardio should still be better than it was. For all the roids comments UFC doesn’t test for EPO which is what he would be taking for stamina numbskulls
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can test for completely whacked out
H&H levels, as well as MCV and MCH to determine the hematological status of a person, but the problem is that you have to do these at regular, full hydration to get accurate readings on the H&H. EPO just helps your bone marrow shit out more RBC’s, and if you do it at a specific time pre-fight, then the telltale signs do exist to be monitored. It’s not 100, but if a guy’s walking around with stable electrolytes and a hematocrit of 55-60, it’s a huge red flag, Add to that the higher % of developing RBC’s and you’ve got a relatively accurate method for detecting EPO abuse.
The reason labwork can help differentiate between high altitude training and EPO use is because generally speaking, the EPO therapy leaves behind small signatures in the blood chemistry, like the aforementioned MCV and MCH.
Of course, you need to get a stable baseline for each fighter, which they would be loathe to allow for obvious reasons.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 18, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reference to future fighters
do not start your own gym at the ‘peak’ of your career.
See Gomi, Takanori and Rua, Shogun
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who’s winning this fight at this point. I cant even tell
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL knee on the ground. If they take a point, this ends a draw.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can imagine the UFC lawyers running to look at their contracts to see if they can cut them after a draw.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And there goes Mark. Oh, what a disaster.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Idea:
Change Watch Kalib Run to Watch Shogun Suck
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shogun needs to go to greg jackson or Matt Hume
He has lots of potential but this was a really really terrible effort
full of fail
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coleman disputes the stoppage! I smell a rubber match!
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Goldberg: “Wow! What a Fight!” Uhh, kinda….
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Front runner for Godawful Fight of the Year
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shogun is going to have big problems if he can’t perform at a higher level than this.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shogun
on this performance – would lose to more than half of the 205ers in the UFC
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it most
when fighters gas….
If you’re a pro getting paid at that level you should be training hard enough so you can fight for 15 minutes.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On another note, every time a guy who used to fight in Japan sucks in the Octagon, it makes it less likely we’ll ever see guys like Overeem and Fedor in the UFC.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But Fedor can beat guys like Sylvia, who was legit here.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he CAN. But Fedor’s value lies in his ability to do so every single fight. One fight doesn’t prove anything.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since Sylvia’s chin is paper in the first minute.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After he subs Arlovski it won't be a factor :P
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pls don't forget that Anderson Silva used to fight in Japan.....
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that Rampage guy. He’s been sorta successful.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage became a star in the UFC, he was good-not great in Japan. Its the stars from Japan that the UFC will hesitate to pay big money.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage became a star in Japan. He never would have been co-headlining WFA without rising from obscurity there. He ended up looking totally lost after the second Silva loss though and didn’t recover until the war with Lindland.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, let me rephrase. Rampage was not an elite fighter in Japan, not the way he is now.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but he did not become a star in Japan. He signed to a reasonable contract with the UFC then became a star.
But to bring Overeem over, they’ll have to pay him like a star at the outset. That takes a hit every time a former star in Japan looks bad in the UFC.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I agree with your point. I don’t think this Pride vs UFC thing should really be brought up anymore.
But in terms of economics – yeh I would say that it probably isn’t worth Dana’s time to bring in Overeem. The likelihood is that he’s roiding.
Obviously Shogun didn’t know the lack of roiding would make such a big difference.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really that dumb dude?
Shogun was never muscular in PRIDE – People take EPO for stamina. The UFC doesn’t test for EPO
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that defense again. The UFC doesn’t test for anything. The athletic commissions do. There is obviously a difference in performance between Japan and the US/UFC. Stop defending it already.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
But I don’t know if roids have anything to do with the horrible gas tank. This guy could go for days and clearly he was amped up on something…EPO, methamphetamines or something.
I guess roids are good for avoiding injury and letting you train harder. But he certainly didn’t really fit the mold of “roider”, even in PRIDE. Regardless, he looked quite muscular for this event and he fought like he was wearing a nose plug.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Jan 17, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ACL surgery twice
You guys need to realize that blowing out your ACL is a massively traumatic injury. Doing it twice back to back could easily be a career ender for Rua.
by Kid Nate on Jan 17, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I’m not interested in Pride vs. UFC either here, but the plain fact is that its become VERY risky to sign big names from Japan to big contracts in the UFC.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God, Shogun looked BAD. Chuck is going to get the easiest gift KO of his career.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it was an entertaining fight. but it was a sad sight to see at the same time. the first round was great
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It was entartaining like MST3K
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I'm 100% now"
Uh… that’s not something you want to admit to.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So can we all agree Shogun’s boxing was uglier than Lytle’s?
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coleman: “Let’s do it again!”
Please God no…
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Only on the undercard of a Fight Night.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no way they let that happen again. Maybe in like Sportfight or something, which is where they currently belong.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any doubt though we will get Chuck/Shogun in Montreal? It sounds like a lock to me, Shogun is going down in the first round if Chuck has any power left.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Shogun decides he needs another 7 months off, its very possible. That fight is interesting but not really for the right reasons.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If there is one thing that is hard to overestimate, it is Liddell’s ability to lose to guys he should be able to beat.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true. There’s something about the way Shogun fights…hands down, chin out, wide strikes. If Chuck can’t knock him out he should stop fighting.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck should stop fighting anyway
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I think Chuck is the best at beating the guys he is suppose to beat. Evans was a surprise, but he waited till that fight to show the world he had punch and stand up game.
You put Chuck in the cage against an opponent without a solid punch and Chuck wins like clock work.
by bignerd on Jan 18, 2009 4:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair Coleman is strong as hell and the first round Shogun was trying to handle a fresh Coleman. He was trying to stuff coleman and trying to get back up or whatever. That takes a lot of energy. But you’d expect Shogun to be training to handle Coleman’s strength and expecting Shogun to be training to do so for 3 rounds.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that being said in the first round Shogun looked to be slow and as someone said earlier the knees he was throwing in the first look to have very little behind them.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC should consider starting a seniors division.
by Dropkick434 on Jan 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i want to see that little irish kid fight coleman
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lets watch
Some guys with good cardio!!
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He just needs to get his cardio and nutrition on track
before he starts thinking about fighting anyone who’s in the top 10 of the ufc right now
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Franklin will win this
Hendo will want to keep it standing like he always does and he will get outboxed
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I have no favorite in this fight. I like these 2 way too much to pick one. Whoever wins i hope its in good fashion.
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WAR HENDOOOOOOOO
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this fight needs to rule to get the smell of suck out of the air
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
GODDAMN MY WIRELESS CARD
It keeps dropping the stream
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, you already saw the premier fight on the card: Shogun/Coleman.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to give Shogun another fight to get back into shape
2 knee surgeries and a year and half layoff its hard to look good in your first fight back
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He looked very average when he was fresh in the first and some of the second
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the fight ends within the distance it will be Hendo who wins. Bu Franklin will win a decision.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s the most horrible looking walk out shirt ever
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Gurgel?
Is Franklin working with Matt Hume full-time now? This is the first time I haven’t seen Gurgel in Rich’s corner.
by Scott Haber on Jan 17, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For an event nobody was willing to pay for his has been a very entertaining day of fights.
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hume kicks ass
That guy really knows what he’s doing
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer not to have Gurgel in my corner
Gurgel is in my Andy Wang book of talented morons.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he should take a leaf out of his own student's book
Dustin Hazelett is exciting everytime he fights….and he doesn’t brawl
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gurgel + Baroni + Hamill’s cornerman that told him to “get fuckin’ nasty” = best corner team ever.
by Scott Haber on Jan 17, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of hated to pick against Hendo here, but that will probably be good for him given how well I’m doing thus far.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 17, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
GODDAMMIT STREAM WORK
GRRRR
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gurgel
is probably my least favourite fighter. All I ever hear is that he’s some bjj god but every fight he’s in ends up being like a sloppy barfight with shit striking.
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kang is the anti him - He tools everybody standing
Then he’s supposed to be good at BJJ takes people down and gets subbed
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I started regularly rooting for Rich right around when everyone started saying he sucked after Anderson beat him. I think most dudes would have crumbled up and quit after losses like that, but Franklin has shown a lot of heart coming back.
Now after I say this, watch him get Ko’d.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, its actually pretty funny. Those were two of the most vicious beatdowns ever, and other than those two fights, Franklin has systematically tooled everybody he’s fought in much the same way.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Rich Franklin
he’s a class act – trains hard and comes to fight everytime
He’s a great role model for MMA. Pity that he was born around the same time as Anderson Silva….
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol @ people on Sherdog calling Rua “Slowgun”…
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Henderson with the high kick
WTF? dont remember ever seeing that from him
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uh Oh. Goldy mentions Cung Le. silly goldie you aren’t supposed to acknowledge anything outside the UFC
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They mention him all the time. Frankly, I don’t get it.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Henderson wins the round but barely. He controlled the first half and was close enough in the second half to justify getting the 10-9 imo.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
its funny how Franklin has a knack for taking the worst cosmetic damage
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hendo because of controlling the opening/ But it was really close
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OUCH CUT
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t they just let Henderson coach TUF, win or lose?
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 17, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah i am much more excited to see Franklin at 205
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 17, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Henderson clearly won the second IMO. Franklin isn’t really effective with anything but kicks to the body.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Second was close. Hendo didnt do anything on the ground but he did have control.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
His jabs are ok as well…but Henderson won the round purely because of the takedown and subsequent positional dominance.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bisping
isn’t on the level of either of these guys….
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Bisping won the fight against Evans. You’re selling him short.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Evans looked like shit in that fight.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…because he fought Bisping. Lets be fair here.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, just on his own terms. But that doesn’t mean Bisping isn’t a real fighter. I’d say he’s probably around 9-10 in the MW division right now, and a year between fights could result in a lot of improvement.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget a knock out.
Franklin should sub.
by zeroword on Jan 17, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hendo taking a page out of Kevin Burns’ playbook
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everybody seems to hate that right eye of Franklin.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan is a terrible ref. he’s supposed to get 5 minutes according to the rules
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That guy is an awful ref. Did you see him flying cold shoulder Gono twice? Insane.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t he the ref behind the scott smith/robbie lawler eye poke debacle?
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the doctor, not the ref. Dan was the ref who gave Kimbo the win over Thompson.
by mythbuster on Jan 18, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin is Zuffa’s golden boy. Watch him win.
by D.Capitated on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I bet they bought off the officials.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes more sense for them if Hendo wins.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
first round was pretty close franklin might get this
by cobracore on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's what i was thinking, 2nd too.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is one I wish were 5 rounds.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 17, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hendo will probably win but I thought Franklin won round 2. I know most here thought Hendo.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I had Franklin winning 2 too.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bought one judge? That’s a bad investment.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the judge really hates wrestling and like some MMA fans won’t award points unless some damage is done.
by bignerd on Jan 18, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One ref was blind as hell.scored it 30-27 for franklin? LOL
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yay, salvaged myself in the betting game
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I had Davis over Lytle, so it wasn’t a total loss for me.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo won legit, but honestly I don’t think he looked all that great. Hard to be down on Rich after this fight.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
His striking was poor. Only won on the takedowns.
Rich – can take most people at 205.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rich made a mistake initiating the clinch in the third round.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
30-27 Franklin!
Who let Stevie Wonder become a MMA judge?!
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bisping is all like ‘Looks like Im getting KOed’
by Discman2 on Jan 17, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Belcher gets submission of the night. Never thought that would occur.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was in disbelief myself, but throughout his career he’s had a few submissions, I think 4 or 5.
Including a toe hold!
by DirtyML on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo won convincingly. It was a real good fight overall.
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think Henderson looks considerably slower on his feet than he did in the past. Outside of good top control he showed very little after the first round.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
430+ Comments
Good Lord. I bet half of them were about Coleman/Rua.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As always..
It’s been fun guys! I’ve been here at work since 11:00a and haven’t payed attention to anyone. Gotta take my lunch and actually work when i get back! Later dudes!
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I need to watch round 2 again. Felt like Franklin clearly won the standing 3 minutes, whereas Hendo did almost nothing besides retain position after the takedown.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 6:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Franklin couldn’t hurt Henderson though, and was very weary of exchanging with him. Frankin’s kickboxing is cleaner and more technical, for sure, but he couldn’t stop Hendo from moving forward and doing whatever he wanted. In this scoring system, Dan did enough to win
by smoogy on Jan 17, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think whether he hurt him or not remains a question, I have no doubt the body kicks did damage and he did repeatedly land jabs and a couple good straight lefts.
I definitely think he took round 1 with the big punch and good shots against the fence, but I thought that other refs would have stood them up for inactivity in round 2. I’m glad they didn’t, but whereas Rich undoubtedly won the first 3 minutes, the last 2 were almost even besides the takedown. I guess I just don’t give as much credit for top position as some judges do, I think Rich was as much of a threat as Dan for those 2 minutes.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed that announcement, but yeah, hard to get into that matchup. If Jardine wins, which is certainly possible, he obviously doesn’t get a title shot. It sounds like they just didn’t have any other viable options.
by smoogy on Jan 17, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Chuck pulling out killed them.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least there’s the interest stylistically of Jardine’s leg kicks against rampage’s seeming inability to defend them.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage can’t check leg kicks and Jardine can’t take a punch. And this will almost certainly be another cage kickboxing affair. Maybe its just my current frame of mind after watching that show, but these stylistic matchups based on huge, obvious flaws leave me wishing for something a bit more.
Back on 93, what the hell was that Egan vs. Hathaway fight about? I’m not trying to hate on either of them, but that is not the kind of fight that belongs on a supposedly world class PPV.
by smoogy on Jan 17, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just read the commentary
not sorry i missed this event.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jan 17, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You should be. Shogun/Coleman was hilarious.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to those who had to pay for it probably.
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even as a big fan of the old Chute Boxe guys, I have to say Shogun looks awful right now. Sure he dominated Coleman, but he was supposed to…and he had him hurt several times and didnt go for a finish. He gassed BADLY again and while there was no way Coleman was going to finish him (he was even worse off) – he’s not going to get away with that against any top 10 guy.
Pride beats UFC in the MW division
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Jan 17, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
in the LHW division.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Jan 17, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm confused
i missed the sarcasm…..right?
by dugmouth on Jan 18, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cyph - msg for you.
I’m leaving my sig as is until Penn – GSP 2 because I’m so disgusted by Rua who I said would come back from injury looking like the “old Shogun” – is this the new, “old Vitor” for 2009?
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Jan 17, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m positive now that Roids powered Shogun in Pride.
by cyph on Jan 17, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from watching the fights. I was one of those poeple who initially thought it was a weak card, but boy was I wrong. Pretty damn good card.
I thought Coleman should have been given at least 5 more seconds to survive given he survived given the way he kept hanging on for the whole fight.
I also thought the Hendo Franklin fight should have been a 5 round fight.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Jan 17, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
that was a championship level matchup and there was no clear winner IMO. Sure I’d score it for Dan as a match, but as a FIGHT it was unresolved. I think Rich might have come back to win with two more rounds.
by Kid Nate on Jan 17, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Breen’s got a good argument for Franklin winning the fight, though I’ll have to watch the fight again.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see any main event non-title fight be 5 rounds.
Henderson’s performance has me a bit puzzled. I figured he might be on his way out but with that showing tonight I’m thinking he can still make waves.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Jan 17, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 “Fight of the Night” awards:
The first award for Fight of the Night went to “The Irish Hand Grenade” Marcus Davis and Chris “Lights Out” Lytle for a back and forth battle that saw the two welterweights go to war just as promised.
The 2nd Fight of the Night bonus were handed to former Pride middleweight Grand Prix winner, Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, and UFC Hall of Famer, Mark “The Hammer” Coleman, for their bout that ended in the third round after a back and forth affair throughout.
Submission of the Night was handed to Alan Belcher, who while a heavy underdog heading into his fight, caught veteran fighter Denis Kang with a guillotine towards the end of the 2nd round causing a tap out.
Denis Siver kicked off the night in Ireland with a bang as he knocked out Nate Mohr in his return bout after major knee surgery. The ending earned Siver the Knockout of the Night honor for UFC 93.
All of the fighters awarded bonuses for the event were given $40,000 for their efforts.
by Nick Thomas on Jan 17, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go ahead and say it...
I really enjoyed Rua/Coleman. It was crazzy sloppy but it kept feeling more and more like Coleman MIGHT just be able to pull something off. I dunno…I just enjoyed it for some reason.
Lytle/Davis I didn’t dig because it felt as close to “scripted” as you can get from an MMA fight. To have the standing agreement that you’re not going to the ground and high five your awesomeness every time you stand up rather than fight on the ground? Not for me…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Next time hand them boxing gloves and let them find a boxing or K-1 promotion to put on their fight. The standing agreement is embarrassing. GITFOOH
by bignerd on Jan 18, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a Chiken $hi* Hendo was
was it me or did it seam like he was scared of rich in the 2nd and 3rd round almost seamed as though he felt how strong he was and just wanted to stay away especially in the 3rd round for the last 37 seconds not kool then he had to finish it off with a 1/2" deep eye pock what kind of …. is that. oh well.
by jgye2002 on Jan 18, 2009 1:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coleman vs. Rua Fight was FIXED!
Guys,
I won’t read all of the 575 posts on here as that’s just insane. I’m sure there were many a good point and posts made about this event. However, that fight, the Coleman vs. Rua fight was FIXED!!
Rua carried the Old man for Three Looong Rounds when he could’ve put him away in the first!
To match Liddell up against Rua now explains how lame Chuck has become now that Rua is a “Safe” bet. I’m VERY uninterested in watching that fight.
Very disappointed in this card that Davis vs. Lytle was the FOTN winner as a result of how bad the other fights were. I truly enjoyed Davis vs. Lytle, but if that was the pinnacle of UFC 93, then that really displayed how bad the rest of the card was.
Jay K.
by JAYGK95 on Jan 18, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The crowd
Just a few points on the crowd from someone who was there;
Ole ole ole is basically sung by all irish crowds to get behind their ‘home’ competitor(s) at any event. Started out as just football but it’s basically used anywhere and everywhere now. Same thing with ‘the fields of athenry’.
Bisping drew mostly cheers from the crowd, not boos.
The crowd were mostly chanting Coleman, not Shogun – guess it’s just our accents?
by t-ha on Jan 19, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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