UFC 93 Live Results and Commentary
by Kid Nate on Jan 17, 2009 7:34 PM EST
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Be sure and join me at 3pm ET for live blogging of UFC 93. Bloody Elbow will, as always, be the place to come for fun, intelligent and reasonably civil commentary on the action.
Will Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson be such a barn burner that it will refute those who claimed this wasn't a fight worthy of headlining a PPV?
Will Mark Coleman show the doubters that he's still a force to be reckoned with in MMA? Will Mauricio "Shogun" Rua come back from knee surgery and reclaim the form that had many regarding him as the world's best light heavyweight for almost two years running?
Ok, here we go, the broadcast has begun. Remember, no spoiling the preliminary fights if you've peeked at those results.
Chris Lytle vs Marcus Davis -- Davis bounds out to "Jump Around", draped in the Irish flag. Lytle looks confident. The Dublin crowd seems quite pumped. Big cheer for Davis. Never seen this ref before. Here we go. Lytle scores early with punches and has Davis stunned but Davis recovers. They do some hockey fighting in the cneter of the ring. Davis landing uppercuts. Lytle throwing high kicks. Davis countering on a Lytle charge. Davis tags with a left hand counter. Leg kicks from Lytle. Will be hard to score. Not sure what the football chant is. Davis throws Lytle down off a caught kick, doesn't follow him down. Lytle tags him with a right. Davis drops Lytle, but back to their feet. Lytle lands a knee, a teep. The get mutal collar ties and trade hockey punches. Lylte ends with a flurry. Very hard to score, I'll go with a 10-9 for Davis based on the drop. Good round but not epic. Round 2. Lytle coming forward. Lytle charges in and Davis covers and then flees. Davis drops him with a liver kick. Ref stands them back up. Lytle coming forward, Davis countering, circling away. Lytle is trying to corner Davis. Davis lands an elbow to the face, another body kick. Davis dodges some looping hooks and lands a jab. Exchange of punches in the clinch. Lytle is missing with bombs but Davis' counters are not landing clean either. Davis eats a straight right, lands a left. An uppercut lands as they hockey fight. Very tough to score. I'd say Lytle landed more hard shots but I'm giving it to Davis off the kick that dropped Lytle. 10-9 Marcus. Lytle's down on my score card. Round 3. They open with a hug, then exchange blows. Davis catches another kick. Lytle trying to protect his right flank. Davis lands ANOTHER kick there. Lytle is open for a right to the head. Lytle winging bombs. Davis lands a knee. I'd like to see someone go for the kill. Lylte's right eye is swelling. Lytle lands a body shot, Davis answers with a kick/knee combo. They're trading against the cage. Davis' face is marked up. Trading to the end. Good fight not great. Could go either way. I'm going with Marcus Davis 29-28. Davis takes a split decision. Likely to be fight of the night.
Alan Belcher vs Denis Kang Kang waits in the Octagon as Belcher comes out to Johnny Cash. Rich Clementi in his corner. They're erroneously displaying the French flag on Kang's stat card. Annoying! Belcher has his hands LOW to start. Kang's landing to the head. Kang with a double leg takedown to Belcher's guard. Kang gets to 1/2 guard. Kang cradles Belcher's head, passes, Belcher turns. Kang gets side control but Belcher reattains guard. Belcher kicks Kang off, back to standing. Kang landing with head shots. Kang with another double leg to Belcher's guard. We're heading to a 10-8 round at this rate. Kang not landing anything from Belcher's guard. Kang goes for an anaconda after flirting with a d'arce choke now working a kimura. Belcher escapes. Elbows from side control, knees to the body. Kang all the way in his first UFC round. Round 2. Kang landing early, Belcher presses him against the cage, Kang tries a trip sweep, Belcher escapes. Back to the center of the cage. Another double leg by Kang. Belcher gets butterfly guard. Kang to 1/2 guard, Belcher working for a sweep, can't get it. Kang has him cradled. Kang working towards side guard. Can't pass, does some GnP. Belcher back to guard. Miragliotta stands them back up. Belcher throwing kicks. Kang bouncing, breathing heavy, moving away. Kang goes for a double, Belcher pulls guard with a guillotine! Kang taps out! Amazing! Alan Belcher by guillotine submission. Kang disappoints again.
Jeremy Horn vs Rousimar Palhares Did Goldberg just say that Palhares' loss to Dan Henderson was a rematch? Palhares has two hard to spell names and a long hard to spell nickname. I'm cutting and pasting "Toquinho" into my browser now. Micheal Bisping draws boos from the Irish crowd. Feeling out process in the center of the ring. Toquinho throws a hook and turns it into a trip. Horn in butterfly guard. Toquinho gets his back quicly. One hook in, hammerfists landing. Move to side control, back to to back, now Horn gets full guard! Nicely played Gumby. Toquinho drops for a leg lock, Horn escapes. Horn goes for a triangle. Toquinho escapes. Back to their feet, Toquinho gets a trip. To 1/2 guard, lots of transitions, Toquinho gets Horn's back, is beating Gumby. Horn rolls for a knee, Toquinho grabs the fence. Back to the ground, Toquinho goes for a leg, fails. Round ends with Palhares on Horn's back, Horn turtled up, eating shots. 10-9 Palhares. Round 2. Palhares lands a right, moves to a single leg, turns it into a slamming takedown to 1/2 guard. Horn almost sweeps, no dice. Toquinho gets his back again, more hammerfists. This is weak match-making IMO. Horn is eating shots, tries to stand, Palhares fights it off, Horn gets a single to top position. Horn gets mount! Arm triangle attempt. Toquinho escapes. Well played by Horn. Toquinho sweeps to escape mount. Back to the feet. Toquinho shoots, gets stuffed eats a rich and a kick. Horn lands a left hook. Throws a kick and gets taken down. Toquinho in Horn's guard. Toquinho might be gassing. Horn goes for a triangle, than an omaplata. Toquinho escapes, back to 1/2 guard. Toquinho landing shots. Bell rings, Toquinho helps Horn up in a sign of respect for his game performance. I'd call it a 10-10 round due to the momentum shift and the hard shots landed standing by Horn. Toquinho was working toward a 10-8 round early on but lost his lead. Round 3 Spilled a beer there on the laptop but we're ok! Whew. Was discussing Edith's shady past. Toquinho in Horn's guard after some early scrambles. Horn goes for a triangle. Toquinho gets away and gets Horn's back. More hammerfists. Horn battles to standup, back to the ground, back to guard. Crowd is booing the ground game. Rogan is calling for a standup. Ref stands them back up. Horn pawing with jabs. Lands a high kick. Toquinho stuffs a shot, gets to Horn's 1/2 guard. Crowd boos as we head to a decision. I call it 30-28 for Palhares. Some nice take downs from Toquinho in the highlights. The judges say it was a unanimous 30-27 decision for Palhares.
Thomas Egan vs John Hathaway One from the undercard. Hathaway stuffs a whizzer and gets on top. Egan almost fights to his feet, but Hathaway gets him back down. Hathaway dominant on the ground but Egan almost gets up. Hathaway trips him down. Hathaway with ground and pound but a game Egan gets back up. Egan's only in his fourth pro fight. Has the crowd at his back -- he's the Irishman against an Englishman in Dublin so its expected. Hathaway gets him down again, more scrambling, Hathaway starts landing elbows, Egan gives up the mount, takes a beating before the ref stops it. The crowd boos a victorious Hathaway. John Hathaway by TKO in round 1.
Mark Coleman vs Mauricio Shogun Rua Coleman comes out to AC/DC. Shogun was rocking some sort of House music. Advantage Coleman despite looking like a wizened Smeagel/Golem. Brandon Lee Hinkle and Phil Baroni in Coleman's corner -- Hammer House in full effect! Ninja backing his brother. Shogun avoids eye contact in the intro. Coleman lands a takedown but eats a knee coming in. Coleman landing some ground and pound. Shogun rolls for a knee, Coleman escapes but Shogun gets to his feet. Coleman gets another takedown quickly. Crowd chanting Shogun. Guess they don't like AC/DC. Shogun working a takedown. Shogun gets it. Coleman on his back. Shogun passes to side control quickly. No blows landed yet. Coleman's feet on the cage. Coleman gets to his feet. They're trading. Coleman is gassed. Eating leg kicks but answering with punches. Shogun with knees. Coleman shoots, fails. Coleman gives up his back but revests to get on top. Shogun back to his feet. Both men look tired. Shogun drops him with a big right hand. Coleman works back to his feet, Shogun gets the thai plum and is working knees as the round ends. 10-9 Rua. Phil Baroni's corner advice is completely delusional. Round 2. Shogun feeding Coleman leg kicks. Coleman landing jabs. Shogun with some big punches. Coleman shoots and gets a doubleleg. Shogun back to his feet, taking no damage on the ground. Shogun with a takedown, Coleman flips him over, back to their feet. Thai plum. They trade jabs. Coleman with an uppercut. Shogun with a combination of punches. Coleman survives the thai plum again. Shogun is gassed too. They're clinching, both tired. Shogun with knees from the plum. Coleman with a takedown. They stand and Coleman staggers Shogun with a punch. Coleman gets a takedown. Shogun with an omaplata with a minute left. Shogun landing punches to Coleman's face and looking at the clock. They're stalemated with Shogun landing shots as the bell rings. Round 3 Round 3 Baroni is telling Coleman he's going to "fucking win dude". Coleman lands a jab and a body punch. Shogun gets the plum again. Coleman shoots, Shogun working for a kimura but falls to guard. Coleman to 1/2 guard, landing elbows. Shogun trying to sweep him, now working for a heel hook. Coleman escapes, puts Shogun down again. Has Rua's back, landing punches. Shogun gets back up, thows a knee to the face of a downed Coleman. Gets a warning. The knee was to the body! Bad call ref. Shogun forces Coleman to the fence and lands a flurry of shots. The ref stops it. Coleman is upset with the call. That was a brutal series of shots at the end. The uppercut was textbook. Mauricio Shogun Rua by TKO. I don't think Rua will be a force in the division anytime soon.
Dan Henderson vs Rich Franklin Here's the main event. I'm very stoked for this one. Some quick flurries on the feet. Henderson slips. Henderson gets a takedown. Has Franklin up against the cage. Pounding Rich Franklin! They're back to their feet. Franklin landing kicks to the body. Henderson goes for a collar tie to do some dirty boxing. Franklin gets away. Franklin with a superman punch, a leg kick. Franklin with a combination of punches. Hendson lands a right uppercut. Time winding down. Henderson with a below the belt kick. They tie up. Henderson is breathing heavy.I'd give it to Henderson 10-9 based on the takedown and the beating administered there. Franklin bleeding from a headbutt. Round 2 They're exchanging early. Henderson connecting with some punches and kicks. Henderson goes to tie up, Franklin counters with a knee and a punch. Franklin escapes the clinch. Henderson lunging with punches, Franklin evades. Franklin with a body kick. They clinch. Henderson gets the takedown. Franklin in guard. Some scrambling, no advantage gained. Franklin rolling for an arm bar fails, back to full guard. Henderson gets 1/2 guard, has Franklin cradled. Landing no shots but controlling position. Dan with an elbow. 10-9 Henderson. Round 3 Franklin with kicks and hooks. Lands a straight left. Henderson tries to get a takedown, fails, tries again and succeeds. In Franklin's guard. Franklin escapes! Gets Henderson's back is laying on some ground and pound. Henderson stands up. Franklin pushing him against the cage. Henderson looks tired. Back to their feet. Two minutes left. Franklin stalking. Landing body kicks. Franklin pushing Henderson to the cage. Henderson working for grips. Fraklin with knees and foot stomps. Back to standing. Franklin socring with punches and kicks. Henderson slips off a kick. Henderson hurts Franklin with a brutal eye poke. Damn. Looks accidental. Long time out. They hug. Back to it. Henderson winging rights. Bell rings. I'd give that one to Rich. My final score -- Dan Henderson 29-28. Let's see what the judges say. Two judges agree. Split decision victory for Dan Henderson.
That's it folks. We'll follow up with commentary and analysis and full results this evening.
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Man...
as odd as it is…I’m actually going to miss liveblogging tonight’s show. I’ve got a family issue that I need to take care of so I won’t be able to check out the show live tonight. I can’t wait to get back into the swing of MMA things next week.
Have fun with the liveblog crowd Nate. They’re a buncha damn animals.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 17, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions
Weak.
Shogun has always been wild. It always appears that he is under-conditioned but he puts on a pace higher than any one else at LHW and nobody can keep up with it, barely him. He’s always been kind of sloppy but never over-rated. I have no doubts you will see that one day. Saying he’s not a contender is something I would expect from Kevin Iole but not here.
by KneeToTheFace on Jan 17, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oh you...
Following me to a different thread to comment on my thoughts from a prediction article…and trashing what I said…and then being proven so positively wrong.
He A) gassed, B) did not take out a 44 year old man who was gassed about a minute and a half into the fight until about 20 seconds from the end of the fight, and C) was getting dominated for the majority of the third round by said tired ass 44 year old.
Yes, that…that pretty much cements that he is not a contender right now and that a lot of people ARE (or I guess I should say WERE) overrating him.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
darnit
I hate thes Euro shows in the afternoon, I always work until 9pm on Saturdays, Now I gotta actually do some work the whole night and stay off of BE!
all you gotta do is...
I'm staying home for this one
and by staying home, I mean watch illegally.
A lot of cards turn out better then what they look like on paper but I’m looking forward for the upcoming 2 weeks rather then this one.
Overseas PPV’s need to be on television as I can’t imagine going to a bar at 3pm….
You can’t imagine going to a bar at 3? Jesus, I feel like a degenerate.
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 17, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
What about the west coast?
Heading to bar at noon must be fun.
Done it many times
Try a good Brit pub – you can get breakfast, (if you call what the Brits eat food), and beer at the same time. I like Bangers and Mash myself so its a good deal.
Gimme 1 Round!
Everyone has been taking a shit on this card from comments I read on other sites and unnamed forums filled with morons, but usually the best fights are the ones that do not have any hype, because people are not expecting to see anything.
When the fight has ridiculous hype, people will say “Meh, it wasn’t as good as I thought it would be.” I have a feeling this card is going to kick ass and I am looking forward to it.
P.S- Did they use a picture of Coleman from 2002 for the poster? Does not look like him at all anymore.
The problem
is this card has bad timing more then anything. I’m saving my money for next week and the week after that.
It’s true that when a card has lower expectations, it surprises people but still, how many people are actually going to pay for this card?
Guy who just played TF2 for 4 hours reporting in.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Nice!
I can do GOW for about 4-5 hours (usually all-nighters) straight, myself.
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Never would have pegged you as a GOW fan. ;-)
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
TF2 is the best.
I play in the game under the same name I post on here with.
Spy is my fav class by far.
Steam or Live?
I play PC, Mouse is the best for FPS’s
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Damn right, I'll add you on steam
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
10% odds this fight is actually a stand up brawl.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Great pace for round 1
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Man, if Davis csan last another 5 this could be a crazy finish.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Davis's knees should give him 2 rounds
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
More effective striking
I had it 29-28 for Lytle based on aggression but Davis did land better shots so I’m cool with 29-28 Davis.
It seems like Rogan/Goldie were so gung ho for this to be the best fight ever that they missed the fact that this was a mediocre fight
It might be the same
guy brawling running at the other guy while the other guy counters and picks him apart.
Just on a higher level of course.
...
i need to know if Christ Lytle’s contract gives him a win bonus… cause if it doesnt.. i call bullshit on the crap he does. why even have a black belt?
retarded.
Lytle should have taken it to the ground after about 60 seconds of Rd 2 when it was clear Davis was quicker and fresher. He stayed on the feet, and lost (IMO) because of their agreement. Winning was less important than a sloppy lunging slugfest.
Congrats!
Yeah, I just don’t get not doing everything you can to win. It’s hard for me to accept that.
by jebushchrist on Jan 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Taking it to the ground and submitting a guy makes you a pussy?
I guess Fedor is a huge pussy then.
by jebushchrist on Jan 17, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
The slugfest didn't really happen
I thought it would be more of a brawl than it was. A lil bit disappointed.
Can Shogun beat Coleman?
I love Shogun – but I have to agree with Kid Nate – no one benefited from Pride Rules more than he did. If Coleman isn’t an entirely spent force he could beat Shogun via GnP alone.
I think that's underselling shogun, he has legit skills, he just isn't a top 3-5 LHW.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Shogun will beat Coleman
Not so much that Shogun is top of the world or whatever, but Coleman is really really old, and hasn’t fought in 2 years. He’s no Couture.
Unless Shogun’s injury resurfaces, he should win by some sort of leglock submission.
Belcher has no answer for Kang's position control
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Oh shit, I see what you mean. No, not really.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Can we now admit that UFC fighters are just plain better? Kang couldn’t even beat a B level UFC fighter.
Nobody with a brain thinks that
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I don’t think that anybody has been calling Kang elite for a little while now.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
As good as he is on the ground, he frequently makes mistakes. He almost got triangled earlier.
Belvher Vs. Silva bahahahahahahahahahaha
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
cyph you realize that
Kang hasn’t been a top fighter in Japan for a while right.
To be fair
He hasn’t been the same since his fiancee passed away. I guess his heart is just not in it anymore.
Commit suicide right before the finals of the MW grand prix. He’s 4-4 since it happened.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Or rather, she overdosed on pain meds. I forget if it was suicide or not.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Just for anyone who didn’t see my clarification, she OD’d on pain meds, not sure if it was suicide or not, my memory is kind of hazy.
Regardless, damned shitty story.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah belcher by sub....
who would’ve guessed that?
the shoot was unnecessary as it was close to the end of the round too
It's not even that he makes mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes
He just makes the same mistakes over and over. If Belcher was Mousasi, he would’ve caught the same triangle he did the tourney like, 3 or 4 times over.
Palhares in round 1
I seriously think if he perfects a good double leg he could beat AS
You know I almost did it too.
But for some reason I went with the crowd, believed Belcher was the bigger choke player and look where it got me.
At least I didn’t bet much.
Dammit... I knew Kang would beat Belcher on his feet too...
Mousasi I can understand subbing him but come on Denis Belcher got you on the ground?
Gimme 1 Round!
Of course he was outboxing Mousasi too
Denis has anti Andy Wang syndrome, he has gotta be the most skilled dude on his feet that insists on grappling
Gimme 1 Round!
That probably means that winner of Machida/Silva for a title shot. I never thought that they’d set that fight up.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Goldberg said it would be upcoming. Forget whic event
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Well, that shows what the UFC thinks of Wand...
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Toquino looks like he's aged a lot since his last fight.
That’s really weird…
That’s a weird fight to put together. So is Evans going to sit out for awhile or is winner of Lyoto-Silva going to get the title shot
God UFC's entrance music sucks
I wonder if they get kickbacks from shitty bands like Linkin Park to play their shit for like every other guy
Gimme 1 Round!
they're building the rashad rampage fight with the camp beef with jardine after he gets hl reel KOed
But who knows. Jardine is inconsistent, but when he’s on he’s pretty good. His spastic fighting style might just put rampage off, especially if he uses leg kicks like forrest did.
The rumor re: Evans/Rampage is that both were being offered a ton to fight on short notice. I’m guessing Rashad told them he decided against it and Jardine jumped in. Doubt it makes a difference in terms of who gets next dibs. What is interesting is that Rashad’s change to being a counter puncher makes me think Jardine will beat him.
I think the fighter chooses their own entrance music
What music would you enter too?
Something by Aretha Franklin or Ottis Redding. Just to switch it up.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Sitting on the Dock of the Bay FUCK YEAR!!!
by Tonley on Jan 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be incredible.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jan 17, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
UFC only allows certain music
Its rare when they let a fighter pick his own music. Monson and Diamond were exceptions to the rule
Gimme 1 Round!
I read it somewhere
like only a week or two ago. It was either a fighter interview or a Dana interview
Gimme 1 Round!
Nah, they allow fighters to pick their own music, as long as its reasonably effective as a walk in song. Thats why you won’t hear any jewel. Among other reasons.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
No... I remember now it was a Dana interview -
He wants music that gets you “pumped to watch a fight” stupid. Which means Linkin Park every time. I wonder if he’d let Hellboy come out to Slayer.
Gimme 1 Round!
He let Cro Cop come out to Wild Boys. Nog comes out to Stones. Fighters have plenty of leeway as long as the song doesn’t totally fucking suck.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Crocop has come out to Wildboys his whole career dude
He’s not gonna tell Mirko no on that
Gimme 1 Round!
This is obviously incorrect
unless you’re saying only stars choose their own music:
BJ Penn – Own music for sure
Forrest Griffin – own music for sure
Crocrop – own music for sure
the list goes on
Well, I don’t think that Dong Hyun Kim got to play the music he wanted to. I remember Dana making fun of it on a vlog.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Griffen comes out to uptempo music anyways.
Crocop has ALWAYS come out to the same song. I don’t remember what BJ comes out to. I’m not just making this up this is from Dana’s own mouth
Gimme 1 Round!
Yeah, but you’re interpreting it to mean they can only come out to Linkin Park, which is laughably wrong.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
My point is people can't come out to original shit
Monson coming out to Imagine was rare as shit
Gimme 1 Round!
They can come out to stuff as long as it doesn’t totally fucking suck. That gives a lot of leeway.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'll find that interview and post it in a fanpost for you
then you can say you’re wrong
Gimme 1 Round!
You do that. Unlike some other people on here, I’ll actually admit if I am.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'll do it later tonight...
I’m on a wireless card with bad reception – I have barely enough bandwidth to watch. Its been fuckin up constantly
Gimme 1 Round!
BJ Penn
comes out to the hawaiin island chillout type music
And Forrest Griffin comes out to that Irish/Scottish stuff….
Griffen comes out to dropkick murphys
or flogging molly can’t remember which band its by – its uptempo though. Dana wants “fight music” only
Gimme 1 Round!
Rampage by rape
If Rampage trains right and fights right he should be able to destroy Jardine.
Ask Vera and Liddell about Jardine’s chin sometime.
by George Lucas on Jan 18, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
10-8 Palhares
Complete domination
that's not always true - see liddell jardine.
Jardine has good leg kicks, and rampage has shown that he doesn’t deal with those well. Not saying Jardine will win but it’s no blowout.
Yeah striking
isn’t as fun as grappling to watch.
i will say this
that logan bitch is HATIN on that edith chick. its like the little tits are jealous of the bigger tits. hot chicks may be hot, but damn are they stupid bitches
look at logan
everytime edith sits down, logan looks at her like she is shitting in her cereal. damn i hate katy bitches. they should have never put her in there.
exactly
his grappling is great and his ground control was completely dominating but he just isn’t as dangerous as he should be given his skill level
Generalizaion Alert
Difference between training in an American camp and in Brazil.
In the US they emphasize cardio and conditioning. Brazil emphasizes skill. Palhares has the skill so he should join a US camp and train his gas tank.
by rainmaker6 on Jan 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeh....
it’s a bit of a failure if he just gets beat down like that…
Seems to generally be the case with Irish fighters. If the US fight scene is a 10, and the British scene a 5, the Irish scene is like a -3.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
honestly...
I think there are loads of guys in the smaller shows who would easily take that Irish kid
Is anyone watching this for free online? Where can I do that…
As I crawled out the window with my shadow on the spoon
dancing on the roof, shooting holes in the moon
Random Question
Is the cast list for TUF 9 out yet?
just ask someone
privately
sorry, my bad. me = technologically un-inclined, and i forgot this was airing in the afternoon so my ppv won’t let me order it late.
As I crawled out the window with my shadow on the spoon
dancing on the roof, shooting holes in the moon
by SoulSuckinJerk on Jan 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd tell you but
I’d be breaking the law
by poundnground on Jan 17, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
It’ll will be on unless Coleman cut himself in the back over money and they’re just not gonna tell us.
Petruzelli in 6 seconds
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Just on another note...
WHY KANG WHY DID YOU GRAPPLE WHEN YOU WERE KICKING BELCHERS ASS. ANTI ANDY WANG AGGHHHHHH
Gimme 1 Round!
Because he was supposed to be superior on the ground too.
He just frequently makes mistakes. He is a Black Belt for shit’s sake.
I know he is which makes it even more bizarre...
But he’s great on his feet. He was outstriking Mousasi standing for Christ’s sake then followed him down and got subbed. I think Akiyama made him gunshy standing.
Gimme 1 Round!
So, swkirrl, how does Shogun’s gay club music fit in with your “Linkin Park” theory of walk-in music selection requirements?
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, Shogun didn’t want to come into it. He wanted to come into Avril Lavigne.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Shogun is not bald
This spells trouble.
Bald fighters dominate in the UFC. 4/5 champions right now are bald.
Do you guys think this will have an effect on the outcome of this fight?
On the other hand, he is wearing the short shorts
Short shorts vs lack of baldness.
UFC fighters learned about Baldness being good
After Kimo vs Royce
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Jan 17, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That would go for Coleman too, I suppose.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
So Long as Rua doesn't make like Kang
Whupping Colemans ass around the ring for the first round and half then decide he wants to wrestle him the rest of the match… He should be alright
Gimme 1 Round!
Rua doesn't have your chin Baroni.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Coleman gassed after 45 seconds of the fight. If Shogun is able to get a double leg against him, this is over.
Dude is too old. Couture is a serious outlier, and time is probably catching up to him too.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Baroni, he sure is hurt
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
How the hell did Rua just get taken down?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
It looks like Mir's first fight after the motor accident
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Chute Box Steroid Mystique = Gone
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
UFC doesn't test for EPO either
which is what Shogun would have been using for his stamina. He was never muscular in PRIDE either. So he obviously wasn’t cheating over there or he would still be using EPO over here.
Gimme 1 Round!
It's like Mickey Rourke from the wrestler is fighting Zombie Shogun
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
That’s what folks were saying about his fight.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Roids...for sure
Shogun….needs to go to ATT or something to train. Or AKA……
Build his cardio. Tree stump should go with him
F*** those brrazilians have to learn how to train conditioning
Yeh Shogun should go to the US to train
He does have decent talent….but he has shitty shitty training
Friend says
He might train here in Toronto (Toronto BJJ)
I just want Coleman to win for the lulz
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
long layoff
having a knee injury myself, cardio is one big problem…not sure if he’ll ever be the same though
6 or 8 months back from the knee injury
That being said he cardio should still be better than it was. For all the roids comments UFC doesn’t test for EPO which is what he would be taking for stamina numbskulls
Gimme 1 Round!
You can test for completely whacked out
H&H levels, as well as MCV and MCH to determine the hematological status of a person, but the problem is that you have to do these at regular, full hydration to get accurate readings on the H&H. EPO just helps your bone marrow shit out more RBC’s, and if you do it at a specific time pre-fight, then the telltale signs do exist to be monitored. It’s not 100, but if a guy’s walking around with stable electrolytes and a hematocrit of 55-60, it’s a huge red flag, Add to that the higher % of developing RBC’s and you’ve got a relatively accurate method for detecting EPO abuse.
The reason labwork can help differentiate between high altitude training and EPO use is because generally speaking, the EPO therapy leaves behind small signatures in the blood chemistry, like the aforementioned MCV and MCH.
Of course, you need to get a stable baseline for each fighter, which they would be loathe to allow for obvious reasons.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Reference to future fighters
do not start your own gym at the ‘peak’ of your career.
See Gomi, Takanori and Rua, Shogun
I can imagine the UFC lawyers running to look at their contracts to see if they can cut them after a draw.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Idea:
Change Watch Kalib Run to Watch Shogun Suck
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Shogun needs to go to greg jackson or Matt Hume
He has lots of potential but this was a really really terrible effort
full of fail
Shogun
on this performance – would lose to more than half of the 205ers in the UFC
I hate it most
when fighters gas….
If you’re a pro getting paid at that level you should be training hard enough so you can fight for 15 minutes.
On another note, every time a guy who used to fight in Japan sucks in the Octagon, it makes it less likely we’ll ever see guys like Overeem and Fedor in the UFC.
But Fedor can beat guys like Sylvia, who was legit here.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Sure, he CAN. But Fedor’s value lies in his ability to do so every single fight. One fight doesn’t prove anything.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Especially since Sylvia’s chin is paper in the first minute.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
After he subs Arlovski it won't be a factor :P
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Rampage became a star in the UFC, he was good-not great in Japan. Its the stars from Japan that the UFC will hesitate to pay big money.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Rampage became a star in Japan. He never would have been co-headlining WFA without rising from obscurity there. He ended up looking totally lost after the second Silva loss though and didn’t recover until the war with Lindland.
Ok, let me rephrase. Rampage was not an elite fighter in Japan, not the way he is now.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but he did not become a star in Japan. He signed to a reasonable contract with the UFC then became a star.
But to bring Overeem over, they’ll have to pay him like a star at the outset. That takes a hit every time a former star in Japan looks bad in the UFC.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
I agree with your point. I don’t think this Pride vs UFC thing should really be brought up anymore.
But in terms of economics – yeh I would say that it probably isn’t worth Dana’s time to bring in Overeem. The likelihood is that he’s roiding.
Obviously Shogun didn’t know the lack of roiding would make such a big difference.
Are you really that dumb dude?
Shogun was never muscular in PRIDE – People take EPO for stamina. The UFC doesn’t test for EPO
Gimme 1 Round!
Not that defense again. The UFC doesn’t test for anything. The athletic commissions do. There is obviously a difference in performance between Japan and the US/UFC. Stop defending it already.
Agreed.
But I don’t know if roids have anything to do with the horrible gas tank. This guy could go for days and clearly he was amped up on something…EPO, methamphetamines or something.
I guess roids are good for avoiding injury and letting you train harder. But he certainly didn’t really fit the mold of “roider”, even in PRIDE. Regardless, he looked quite muscular for this event and he fought like he was wearing a nose plug.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
ACL surgery twice
You guys need to realize that blowing out your ACL is a massively traumatic injury. Doing it twice back to back could easily be a career ender for Rua.
Exactly. I’m not interested in Pride vs. UFC either here, but the plain fact is that its become VERY risky to sign big names from Japan to big contracts in the UFC.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
it was an entertaining fight. but it was a sad sight to see at the same time. the first round was great
It was entartaining like MST3K
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Only on the undercard of a Fight Night.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no way they let that happen again. Maybe in like Sportfight or something, which is where they currently belong.
Is there any doubt though we will get Chuck/Shogun in Montreal? It sounds like a lock to me, Shogun is going down in the first round if Chuck has any power left.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
If there is one thing that is hard to overestimate, it is Liddell’s ability to lose to guys he should be able to beat.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
That’s true. There’s something about the way Shogun fights…hands down, chin out, wide strikes. If Chuck can’t knock him out he should stop fighting.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Chuck should stop fighting anyway
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
To be fair Coleman is strong as hell and the first round Shogun was trying to handle a fresh Coleman. He was trying to stuff coleman and trying to get back up or whatever. That takes a lot of energy. But you’d expect Shogun to be training to handle Coleman’s strength and expecting Shogun to be training to do so for 3 rounds.
He just needs to get his cardio and nutrition on track
before he starts thinking about fighting anyone who’s in the top 10 of the ufc right now
Franklin will win this
Hendo will want to keep it standing like he always does and he will get outboxed
Personally
I have no favorite in this fight. I like these 2 way too much to pick one. Whoever wins i hope its in good fashion.
Don’t worry, you already saw the premier fight on the card: Shogun/Coleman.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm willing to give Shogun another fight to get back into shape
2 knee surgeries and a year and half layoff its hard to look good in your first fight back
Gimme 1 Round!
No Gurgel?
Is Franklin working with Matt Hume full-time now? This is the first time I haven’t seen Gurgel in Rich’s corner.
Hume kicks ass
That guy really knows what he’s doing
I would prefer not to have Gurgel in my corner
Gurgel is in my Andy Wang book of talented morons.
he should take a leaf out of his own student's book
Dustin Hazelett is exciting everytime he fights….and he doesn’t brawl
Gurgel
is probably my least favourite fighter. All I ever hear is that he’s some bjj god but every fight he’s in ends up being like a sloppy barfight with shit striking.
Kang is the anti him - He tools everybody standing
Then he’s supposed to be good at BJJ takes people down and gets subbed
Gimme 1 Round!
I think I started regularly rooting for Rich right around when everyone started saying he sucked after Anderson beat him. I think most dudes would have crumbled up and quit after losses like that, but Franklin has shown a lot of heart coming back.
Now after I say this, watch him get Ko’d.
Yeah, its actually pretty funny. Those were two of the most vicious beatdowns ever, and other than those two fights, Franklin has systematically tooled everybody he’s fought in much the same way.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I love Rich Franklin
he’s a class act – trains hard and comes to fight everytime
He’s a great role model for MMA. Pity that he was born around the same time as Anderson Silva….
Uh Oh. Goldy mentions Cung Le. silly goldie you aren’t supposed to acknowledge anything outside the UFC
They mention him all the time. Frankly, I don’t get it.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Bisping
isn’t on the level of either of these guys….
I thought Evans looked like shit in that fight.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, just on his own terms. But that doesn’t mean Bisping isn’t a real fighter. I’d say he’s probably around 9-10 in the MW division right now, and a year between fights could result in a lot of improvement.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
That guy is an awful ref. Did you see him flying cold shoulder Gono twice? Insane.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I bet they bought off the officials.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Makes more sense for them if Hendo wins.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's what i was thinking, 2nd too.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I had Franklin winning 2 too.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Bought one judge? That’s a bad investment.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yay, salvaged myself in the betting game
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I had Davis over Lytle, so it wasn’t a total loss for me.
by Michaelthebox on Jan 17, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
As always..
It’s been fun guys! I’ve been here at work since 11:00a and haven’t payed attention to anyone. Gotta take my lunch and actually work when i get back! Later dudes!
I need to watch round 2 again. Felt like Franklin clearly won the standing 3 minutes, whereas Hendo did almost nothing besides retain position after the takedown.
Franklin couldn’t hurt Henderson though, and was very weary of exchanging with him. Frankin’s kickboxing is cleaner and more technical, for sure, but he couldn’t stop Hendo from moving forward and doing whatever he wanted. In this scoring system, Dan did enough to win
I think whether he hurt him or not remains a question, I have no doubt the body kicks did damage and he did repeatedly land jabs and a couple good straight lefts.
I definitely think he took round 1 with the big punch and good shots against the fence, but I thought that other refs would have stood them up for inactivity in round 2. I’m glad they didn’t, but whereas Rich undoubtedly won the first 3 minutes, the last 2 were almost even besides the takedown. I guess I just don’t give as much credit for top position as some judges do, I think Rich was as much of a threat as Dan for those 2 minutes.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I missed that announcement, but yeah, hard to get into that matchup. If Jardine wins, which is certainly possible, he obviously doesn’t get a title shot. It sounds like they just didn’t have any other viable options.
At least there’s the interest stylistically of Jardine’s leg kicks against rampage’s seeming inability to defend them.
by Michael Rome on Jan 17, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Rampage can’t check leg kicks and Jardine can’t take a punch. And this will almost certainly be another cage kickboxing affair. Maybe its just my current frame of mind after watching that show, but these stylistic matchups based on huge, obvious flaws leave me wishing for something a bit more.
Back on 93, what the hell was that Egan vs. Hathaway fight about? I’m not trying to hate on either of them, but that is not the kind of fight that belongs on a supposedly world class PPV.
just read the commentary
not sorry i missed this event.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
You should be. Shogun/Coleman was hilarious.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Even as a big fan of the old Chute Boxe guys, I have to say Shogun looks awful right now. Sure he dominated Coleman, but he was supposed to…and he had him hurt several times and didnt go for a finish. He gassed BADLY again and while there was no way Coleman was going to finish him (he was even worse off) – he’s not going to get away with that against any top 10 guy.
Pride beats UFC in the MW division
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
in the LHW division.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
i'm confused
i missed the sarcasm…..right?
Cyph - msg for you.
I’m leaving my sig as is until Penn – GSP 2 because I’m so disgusted by Rua who I said would come back from injury looking like the “old Shogun” – is this the new, “old Vitor” for 2009?
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Just got back from watching the fights. I was one of those poeple who initially thought it was a weak card, but boy was I wrong. Pretty damn good card.
I thought Coleman should have been given at least 5 more seconds to survive given he survived given the way he kept hanging on for the whole fight.
I also thought the Hendo Franklin fight should have been a 5 round fight.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Jan 17, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions
agreed
that was a championship level matchup and there was no clear winner IMO. Sure I’d score it for Dan as a match, but as a FIGHT it was unresolved. I think Rich might have come back to win with two more rounds.
Breen’s got a good argument for Franklin winning the fight, though I’ll have to watch the fight again.
by Rundownloser on Jan 17, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see any main event non-title fight be 5 rounds.
Henderson’s performance has me a bit puzzled. I figured he might be on his way out but with that showing tonight I’m thinking he can still make waves.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Jan 17, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
2 “Fight of the Night” awards:
The first award for Fight of the Night went to “The Irish Hand Grenade” Marcus Davis and Chris “Lights Out” Lytle for a back and forth battle that saw the two welterweights go to war just as promised.
The 2nd Fight of the Night bonus were handed to former Pride middleweight Grand Prix winner, Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, and UFC Hall of Famer, Mark “The Hammer” Coleman, for their bout that ended in the third round after a back and forth affair throughout.
Submission of the Night was handed to Alan Belcher, who while a heavy underdog heading into his fight, caught veteran fighter Denis Kang with a guillotine towards the end of the 2nd round causing a tap out.
Denis Siver kicked off the night in Ireland with a bang as he knocked out Nate Mohr in his return bout after major knee surgery. The ending earned Siver the Knockout of the Night honor for UFC 93.
All of the fighters awarded bonuses for the event were given $40,000 for their efforts.
I'm going to go ahead and say it...
I really enjoyed Rua/Coleman. It was crazzy sloppy but it kept feeling more and more like Coleman MIGHT just be able to pull something off. I dunno…I just enjoyed it for some reason.
Lytle/Davis I didn’t dig because it felt as close to “scripted” as you can get from an MMA fight. To have the standing agreement that you’re not going to the ground and high five your awesomeness every time you stand up rather than fight on the ground? Not for me…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions
What a Chiken $hi* Hendo was
was it me or did it seam like he was scared of rich in the 2nd and 3rd round almost seamed as though he felt how strong he was and just wanted to stay away especially in the 3rd round for the last 37 seconds not kool then he had to finish it off with a 1/2" deep eye pock what kind of …. is that. oh well.
Coleman vs. Rua Fight was FIXED!
Guys,
I won’t read all of the 575 posts on here as that’s just insane. I’m sure there were many a good point and posts made about this event. However, that fight, the Coleman vs. Rua fight was FIXED!!
Rua carried the Old man for Three Looong Rounds when he could’ve put him away in the first!
To match Liddell up against Rua now explains how lame Chuck has become now that Rua is a “Safe” bet. I’m VERY uninterested in watching that fight.
Very disappointed in this card that Davis vs. Lytle was the FOTN winner as a result of how bad the other fights were. I truly enjoyed Davis vs. Lytle, but if that was the pinnacle of UFC 93, then that really displayed how bad the rest of the card was.
Jay K.
The crowd
Just a few points on the crowd from someone who was there;
Ole ole ole is basically sung by all irish crowds to get behind their ‘home’ competitor(s) at any event. Started out as just football but it’s basically used anywhere and everywhere now. Same thing with ‘the fields of athenry’.
Bisping drew mostly cheers from the crowd, not boos.
The crowd were mostly chanting Coleman, not Shogun – guess it’s just our accents?
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