I understand what you are trying to say, but you are missing the point of my posts.

Plenty of UFC fighters are juiced right now, they just know how to get by the tests and every once in a while one of them messes up and tests hot."

In the same post you say assuming Fighters in japan are using is "unfounded speculation"

So you stating that "plenty of fighters" in the UFC are juicing – where they actually test – is not unfounded speculation?

I am NOT saying that accusing an individual in the UFC is not also purely speculative. Again, I thought this point was obvious, but you seem intent on overlooking the point I am trying to make and instead taking everything I write as literally as possible. You know and I know that fighters in Pride juiced, but we can’t prove it. We also know fighters in the UFC have juiced, beyond the ones that have been caught, again we can’t prove it. Saying there is/was juicing in a promotion is a wholly different thing than accusing an individual who happened to fight in that promotion.

"Only a completely oblivious person would think that there are not a certain amount of UFC fighters using PEDs that haven’t been caught. Do you think every fighter that was caught was using for the first time?"

And then you said:

"despite how positive any fan may be that a fighter in Pride juiced, without a positive test or confession, it is purely speculation which may or may not be correct."

What is contradictory? All I am saying is that I am sure that there are UFC fighters who have used, but not been caught. If you don’t believe that, you ARE oblivious to the problem the PEDs are. Now, can I name them? Of course not. And I wouldn’t try or feel comfortable accusing an INDIVIDUAL of doing them, despite what I might think. This is just purely speculation, but I feel far more confident that I am right, than wrong. Same goes for Pride. We can’t name names, because we have no proof, thus making it speculation. But I feel pretty confident that we would be correct in saying there was PED use in Pride.

You say this issue needs to be dropped and we should just forget about it… why?

Don’t you care about the fighters and the sport?

Testing is for the fighters well being… If there is no testing the chances of you abusing and hurting yourself greatly increases because you don’t know how much the other guy is using so to get a competitive edge you want to make sure you’re doing even more.

The real abuse comes right before a fight where you take things that allow you to take more punishment… what do you think that does to your career and your post career livelihood?

You think that’s good for the sport? or for the fighters?

But this issue should be dropped and go away right… because you say so.

I really like the way you just make shit up and then try to present it as my opinion. You are so obsessed with trying to make a poster on an mma blog look foolish, that you are completely missing the point and misinterpreting what I am trying to say. One of my best friends died of complications from using this crap and, quite frankly, it is very offensive to me that you would come on here and try to act like you are the bottom line in all things mma and drug testing. I am glad the UFC is being proactive about drug testing, I wish more organizations would. I wish they would test every licensed fighter on a random basis throughout the year (the ACs). I wish that every user would get busted and punished. I think the horse that is PEDs needs to beaten on a regular basis, so we don;t have to have these discussions. The point I was trying to make, that I think we need to let go of to a degree, is the thought that every freaking fighter from Pride is juicing. It is used as an excuse for any change in appearance, any change in success levels and so on. ALL I am trying to say is, we need to get over the Pride was a juice-fest argument and concentrate on the promotions that are currently in business or may be someday.

You can reply if you want, i don’t give a crap. I’m through wasting time on someone who wants to read their views into my statements and misconstrue them for everyone on here. I am pretty sure I am not the only BE regular who is sick of your condescending posts. You certainly are entitled to your opinions, but don’t translate my opinions to fit your arguments. I am not telling anyone how to believe or not believe.