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Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Shinya Aoki's Next Level Grappling

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I was pretty confident that the FiELD Dynamite! show would produce something worthy of a Judo Chop and sure enough Shinya Aoki came through.

As the gif to the right begins with both fighters standing and Aoki behind Alavarez with his arms wrapped around Eddie's waist.

Alvarez responds with a nice judo takedown -- I'm going to call it Harai Makikomi but please correct me in the comments. The announcers called it Harai Goshi.

Alvarez lands in side control and quickly takes mount attempts to get mount but Shinya gets his right knee between Eddie's legs and messes things up. In 99% of fights, that's the move we'd be discussing cause it's pretty bad ass.

From there Aoki immediately wraps up Alvarez' right leg and when Alvarez stands up, Aoki spins around and immediately achieves total control of Alvarez' right leg and the heel hook finish is imminent.

Amazing stuff. Has anyone seen this technique described in a video or book? Is this something I'd find in one of the Eddie Bravo books?

UPDATE: As Jordan Breen Points out in the comments, Alvarez never got full mount. Shinya gets his right knee up high between Alvarez' legs and was working for half-guard. Eddie made the fatal decision to stand up, thereby giving up his leg.

Gif by smoogy. Couple more in the extended entry.

About the name of this feature: I chose Judo Chop because it’s an utter misnomer that is sometimes used by poorly informed MMA commentators during fights. It’s also from the Austin Powers movie. I chose it because it reflects my own lack of expertise and what this column is: my stumbling along in the dark trying to get a handle on the technical aspects of the fights. The techniques featured here will sometimes involve judo but not always. Sorry if that's confusing.

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Here's the rest of the heel hook and the tap out.  Alvarez does what he can to escape, rolling with the hold and attempting to control Aoki's right leg. But it's not enough Gif by smoogy.

From this angle, I'm not 100% satisfied that its a heel hook as I can't see the crook of Aoki's elbow which should have Alvarez' heel "hooked" so that when he twists it puts unbearable (and dangerous) pressure on the opponent's knee. To get a better look at a heel hook check out this post.

Here's Wikipedia on heel hooks:

A heel hook is a leg lock affecting multiple joints, and is applied by transversely twisting the foot either medially or laterally. The torsional force puts severe torque on the ankle, which in turn transfers torque to the knee. The heel hook is generally considered to be a very dangerous leg lock, with a high rate of injury, especially to ligaments in the knee. It was subsequently banned in many combat sports featuring other leg locks such as Brazilian jiu-jitsu[2] and Sambo[3]. The heel hook is however an allowed technique in some submission wrestling and mixed martial arts competitions.

There are several variations of heel hooks, with the most typical being performed by placing the legs around a leg of an opponent, and holding the opponent's foot in the armpit on the same side. The legs are used to control the movement of the opponent's body while the opponent's foot is twisted by holding the heel with the forearm, and using the whole body to generate a twisting motion, hence creating severe medial torque on the ankle. A similar heel hook can be performed by holding the opponent's foot in the opposite armpit, and twisting it laterally; a move which is referred to as an inverted, reverse or inside heel hook.

Its possible this is an achilles lock -- description from Wikipedia:

An achilles lock (also called an achilles hold or achilles squeeze) is a compression lock that involves pressing the achilles tendon into the back of the ankle or lower leg. It is typically performed by wedging a forearm, especially a bony part of it, into the achilles tendon, while leveraging the foot and the leg over the forearm serving as a fulcrum. This causes severe pressure on the achilles tendon, and often also results in an ankle lock, since the ankle is being used as a point of leverage. Similarly, some ankle locks also cause a compression lock on the achilles tendon, and hence the term "achilles lock" is often also used to describe such ankle locks.

I'm going with heel hook but don't feel 100% satisfied from the angle.

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It’s not really one technique that gives them control of Alvarez’s leg. When he gets thrown, he attempts to block the mount attempt and retain half guard with his far leg, but Alvarez, rather than getting sucked into half, or trying to push over the leg and initiate a scramble, stands up. Also, it’s a heel hook.

by Jordan Breen on Jan 1, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ah yeah, I couldn’t see that Shinya had his knee up so high from that angle.

by Kid Nate on Jan 1, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go Breen.

Did you know we are in high demand, Laura?

by Eugene Schelfaut on Jan 1, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

jbreen, if you have a copy of that guy phoning into the 92 post-show you need to come on IRC and send it to me. I died laughing

by smoogy on Jan 1, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That shit was incredible.

by Rundownloser on Jan 1, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit...

I missed it…if no one has the audio I need an explanation of what happened.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 1, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sherdog’s play-by-play called the throw a harai-goshi.

by Rundownloser on Jan 1, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I looked at that but to me at least half of the harai-goshi is the turn. If your opponent already has your back is it the same throw. But I’m sure the commenter knows more than I do. That’s the point of the Judo Chop — learning!

by Kid Nate on Jan 1, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell if I know. The difference between a hip throw and a side sacrifice throw is beyond me. I just like osoto-gari.

by Rundownloser on Jan 1, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is alvarez bbj belt?

by dbcb on Jan 1, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Alverez went for the mount at the exact time Aoki threw his knee up to guard the mount. At this time I think Alverez probably thought “I don’t want to be in this guy’s guard” so he quickly tried to stand out of it which gave him more control of his leg.

Aoki looked a little silly trying to follow Eddie around on his ass.

by Dooda on Jan 1, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As far as butt scoots go though it was pretty aggressive. And I bet he has several ways to get the takedown from there if Eddie got close enough.

by Kid Nate on Jan 1, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My dog does it when he’s got hangers on after pooping in my front yard. It’s shameful but she does it right in front of me as if it’s completely normal. Aoki probably watched videos or has a similar dog.

by Dooda on Jan 2, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Goshi

I’d call it a harai goshi, the difference is that the Harai Makikomi is a sacrifice throw and the goshi isn’t. the way eddie came up on top make me lean towards the harai goshi.

As for the eddie bravo thing, i don’t think thats a technique in his books. Its pretty basic he sucked his knee up into the middle to guard from mount. and wrapped his other leg around his opponents to go for heel hook. Anderson Silva kinda did the same againt lutter but he didnt go for a heel hook and he wrapped his leg around the outside rather than throw his knee up in the middle like aoki

by TannerMatthews on Jan 1, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, Alvarez was holding Aoki's head so it wasn't Makikomi more like a no gi Harai Goshi.

As for the mount escape, that is pretty basic. When you attempt to mount from side control, you have to lift your hips. So the trailing leg is always in danger of being caught in half guard, or in this case a leg lock. Mike Fowler used this technique a lot to foil competitors who were too eager to pass to mount.

I think it is a heel hook but I could be wrong – the angle sucks. Just a small point, YOU DO NOT have to have the heel in the crook of your elbow. You can put it in the palm of your hand if you like and some people think that makes the hold even tighter.

by zeroword on Jan 1, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

personally i'd say makikomi but i'm no expert.

the way i understood it was: makikomi you dont support your own weight after the throw. harai goshi you are meant ot be standing after the throw is completed.
but most people in judo would have been so excited about the ippon nobody would be too fused about the throw’s name.

great breakdown of the fight though.

by Ronnie Liddle on Jan 2, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Finishing the throw standing is not the difference in the technique.

Here are some competitive judo clips with Harai Goshi where they fall at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA0tCh7MMlQ

Harai Makkikomi is really a combination of Harai Goshi and Soto Makkikomi. You do a Harai Goshi and then you perform Soto Makkikomi (wraparound) after the throw is accomplished. You can tell a Harai Makkikomi is done when you land with your opponents arm wrapped in your armpit like in the below technique:

http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/sotomakikomi.htm

So if you throw him to the right, his right arm will be under your right armpit and vice-versa. That DID NOT happen in Alvarez’s throw so it was most definitely just a Harai Goshi.

by zeroword on Jan 2, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my bad.

so if the throwers arm is wrapped around the recievers head it’s still harari goshi?

by Ronnie Liddle on Jan 2, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Basically.

However, if the throw ends with his arm wrapped around his opponents arm its makkikomi.

by zeroword on Jan 2, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks! great clarification

by Kid Nate on Jan 2, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s reallyyyyyy fun to watch..i’d love to see if his style would still work in the ufc where i dont think those pants are allowed. haha.

http://weoweoweo.deviantart.com/

by Anton Tabuena on Jan 1, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Its definitely not an eddie bravo move

the position aoki used is called the “snake guard” i’ve also heard it called the “jackal.” damian maia uses it a lot and has some instructionals about it.

by dmidell on Jan 1, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very cool!

Thanks for the info. Let me know if you have links to the instructionals.

by Kid Nate on Jan 1, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Post!

I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.

by mma_dude on Jan 1, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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