Quote of the Day: Tito Ortiz on Juanito Ibarra

by Kid Nate on Sep 8, 2008 10:22 AM EDT in News

"Let me explain this to you because it really pisses me off that Ibarra has done what he has done, he is a thief. I have been running training camps for seven years up in Big Bear California and the most that my camp has cost a fighter to attend is $35,000. Ibarra was charging Jackson $65,000 to go to Big Bear. I don't understand that!! He was being very disrespectful and taking advantage of ‘Rampage’. Including travel, training partners, food and lodging, the most ever was $35,000, maybe if you flew in more trainers...$40K. Where did that extra money go that Ibarra was charging? ‘Rampage’ is really pissed and he feels betrayed that he was taken advantage of and I couldn't agree more with him. I don't care if Juanito reads this or hears about it anywhere, he already knows that he is blackballed. I don't care who you are; fighters work very hard for the money they earn and I feel slighted for even knowing Juanito."

-- Tito Ortiz talking to Punch Drunk Gamer.

HT Five Ounces of Pain

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Hey Nate

There is already a fanpost on this. Looks like one of our BE members beat you to the punch.

by nitro on Sep 8, 2008 11:38 AM EDT 0 recs

We know

It was full of spelling and grammatical errors.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 8, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up 0 recs

How is he a thief? Because he charges more for his services than Mr Ortiz?

I know that there were rumors he was stealing from Rampage but unless Tito knows something we don’t I think he’s just running his mouth…

by starvin on Sep 8, 2008 11:46 AM EDT 0 recs

Is there a good reason for him to charge more.

Ibarra is a shitty MMA coach. Always has been. Is there a good reason for him to charge 20-30 grand more?

by zeroword on Sep 8, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

I dunno about that

He turned Jackson’s sloppy striking game around pretty thoroughly. But that’s only one part of the game.

by asa on Sep 8, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

You're completely missing the point

<a href=“http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http3A2F%2F”http://www.mmainsiders.com" target="_blank">www.mmainsiders.com2Fufc-news2FTito_Ortiz_Buys_Big_Bear_Estate_From_Oscar_De_La_Hoya.shtml&ei=fGbFSJLhPKXEeuC4nOkH&usg=AFQjCNEtF00eSajj6mYUB6KKO_2GMzQ6qg&sig2=pD-Geoki3tqo5w0K4zB6oQ" >Tito owns Big Bear. So when Juanito charges Rampage $65,000 for training at Big Bear it means he’s paying Tito $30,000 and taking the other $35,000 and putting it in his pocket for nothing.
This is a common tactic among thieving managers, padding invoices so that everything the fighter pays for is more expensive than it should be — although doubling the cost is way over the top!

by Kid Nate on Sep 8, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

Good point Nate

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 8, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

Is it just me or is there a completely different tone to that message from Tito? When he’s not grandstanding, he sounds a lot more honest.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Sep 8, 2008 12:53 PM EDT 0 recs

I’d have to agree, there was a completely different tone to that one. Not only does he sound more honest, but he sounds less like a jack-ass too.

by pud333 on Sep 8, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

Also, Rampage wanted a certain type of training with the mits and Ibarra didn’t procure it to save money…

Praiiiize the Loooord.

by mmalogic on Sep 8, 2008 1:51 PM EDT 0 recs

I just assume that many managers exploit their fighters. There are many decent management teams, but the power dynamic between managers and fighters is inherently unbalanced, as is the relationship between promoters and fighters.

This point is often overlooked when the discussion of a fighters’ rights is framed in terms of the battle between fighters and promotions. In fact there is widespread collusion between managers and promoters whereby both enrich themselves at the expense of the fighter. There is even a lot of overlap between the categories “promoter” and “manager” – for some fighters, they are one and the same.

A strong fighters union would protect fighters’ rights in the face of these entities that have the power and potential to exploit fighters and enshrine those rights in writing. It would contractually enforce a more balanced and transparent relationship between fighters and management, in addition to codifying the relationship between fighters and promotions.

by klown on Sep 8, 2008 9:44 PM EDT 0 recs