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UFC 88 Results

Rashad-ko-chuck_medium MAIN CARD:

Rashad Evans def. Chuck Liddell via KO - 1:51 of round 2

Rich Franklin def. Matt Hamill via TKO - 0:39 of round 3

Dan Henderson def. Rousimar Palhares via unanimous decision

Nate Marquardt def. Martin Kampmann via TKO - 1:21 of round 1

Dong Hyun Kim def. Matt Brown via split decision

UNDERCARD:

Kurt Pellegrino def. Thiago Tavares via unanimous decision.

Tim Boetsch def. Mike Patt via TKO - 2:03 of round 1.

Jason MacDonald def. Jason Lambert via submission - 1:20 of round 2.

Ryo Chonan def. Roan Carneiro via split decision.

Notes about the event:

It's all about Evans - I think people are missing a crucial factor of Evans' striking development. The notion that you're either born with KO power or you're not is grossly overstated. The truth is - and I've seen it in other fighters with my own eyes - is that often through hard work and repetition fighters learn to develop their power. The initial stages of learning involve the fundamentals like footwork, combinations, balance and more. But once fighters round the corner on those stumbling blocks, you'll see them cultivate their power. Evans is a clear example of that.

Beyond that, though, Evans' gameplan and quickness played a factor. But the speed of Evans isn't just his handspeed; it was also his ability to move and find the perfect range very quickly. He was mobile enough to put himself in range or readjust when he wasn't without sustaining damage. And when in range, he simply drew quicker than Liddell to flatten the Iceman. I don't think Liddell realized just how perfectly distanced Evans was when he threw the overhand right.

And Liddell's age is partly an issue. I don't think getting KO'd by that punch is evidence that he's too old to compete. But the truth is his body and chin don't have the powers of absorption that it used to. As Josh Barnett is keen on reminding us, fighters who live on their chin eventually suffer when others learn their game, they age or become too comfortable. Chuck is a clear example of that. He's too old to go back to the well of his existing talents without expecting others to eventually catch up. He paid the price for that dearly last night.

Star-divide

Other notes:

 - Franklin is reborn...sort of - beating Hamill is not small feat and to finish him with a well placed liver kick - a kick that itself was part of a fantastic gameplan given the intracacies of Hamill's stand up skills - is a true feat. The road ahead for Franklin is long and perilious, but he continues to press on. One cannot help but admire such fortitude and willingness to improve amidst the shark-infested waters of the UFC light heavyweight division.

- Marquardt vs. Henderson NOW - with Franklin out of the middleweight picture for now, this is a contender fight that needs to happen. True, Henderson's win over Palhares is his first in his last three, but insofar as forcing contenders (and former opponents of Silva who have lost) to settle the question of who gets the rematch, this fight is a no-brainer. If either of these fighters want to face Silva again and challenge for the strap, then they must face each other. If not now, very very soon.

- The UFC wins again - can you imagine what it would mean for the EliteXC is Shamrock were to KO Slice as Evans did Liddell? It would spell the instantaneous death of the already crumbling promotion. The UFC, on the other hand, has considerable upside to this. Yes, they lose a major PPV draw in Liddell vs. Griffin for the strap, but they gain more credibility for their reality show. Two winners of the reality show - after collectively defeating Rampage, Shogun and Liddell - will challenge for the marquee title in the entire sport of MMA. Aside from Evans' brutal punch, who saw that coming?

Beyond that, though, allowing the truly best fighters to ascend through the ranks even when they aren't the most marketable is a long term principle that will pay dividends in the end. This is how you not only ensure your product is viable, but this is how you ensure - over the long run - which fighters deserve promotion and marketing. It's dangerous to put efforts behind a facade or false notion of what's actually there. This is MMA and eventually you will be exposed. It's better to know who can carry water in the cage and who can't. And while Liddell's stock took a hit, the truth is he has delivered an enormous amount for the UFC. And he's 38. He can't be expected to be the face of the UFC forever. They need to develop and groom the next generation of talent even if that causes short term hick ups.

- Atlanta's fans are disgusting - I grew up in Atlanta and have not returned for obvious reasons. In fact, last night was my 10 year high school reunion in Atlanta and I still didn't want to attend. Jingoistic fans who caterwaul buffoonish "USA" yelps need to be executed on site. A love of nation and support for the home team is never wrong. But that is expressed through support of Brown, not support of some phony notion of nationalistic obligation.

And by the way, there's nothing controversial about Kim's win. NOTHING. Take that to the bank and cash it because it will be true forever.

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he will never be the star that Liddell is.

Rashad will never reach the status of chuck it just won’t happen and you cna hold me to it. His next fight will be boring like most of his matches.

by quike31 on Sep 7, 2008 9:55 AM EDT   0 recs

I dont think any LHW will be the star Chuck is, at least not for a while.

Chuck dominated in a good division, but the lhws are so evenly matched and deep now, i don’t see anyone holding the belt for an extended period.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 7, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed,

and more than just the depth, I’d say the LHW class of the UFC has really stepped up the chameleon approach more than any other group in the UFC right now. These guys are changing their approaches based on the matchup, more than any other group right now. And for that reason, I don’t see anyone maintaining the title for three years or anything silly.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 7, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

boring?

It would take any fighter a while to reach the status of Chuck Lidell. However, I don’t think the Evans vs Salmon fight was boring at all. The guy is undefeated, quick hands and a great wrestler! Though I am quite bias being a huge Evans fan from T.U.F. show I have seen some really boring fights and I can’t really say that Evans’ fights rank in the top ten most boring. Evans now has 2 of the most viscious KO’s in UFC history. Boring? I think not.

by Warhand on Sep 7, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

- Stun Gun has some serious gas tank issues, but the judges still made the right call despite what the crowd would have us believe. He took it in that third round.

- Never been a huge fan of Jason MacDonald’s attitude but it’s always good to see a fighter rebound quick off a hard-fought loss like he had to Maia last month. On the other hand, that’s gotta be the end of the line for Lambert…

- Tim Boetsch is no joke. I could watch that guy beat up scrubs on every PPV. Jeet Kune Do, baby!

by Chris Nelson on Sep 7, 2008 10:17 AM EDT   0 recs

I love Boetsch!

That guy’s probably a full notch below anyone in the title picture right now, but man is he entertaining to watch!

Good to see Bruce Lee’s style in the mix somewhere in modern MMA. In a way, he was an MMA pioneer. He just didn’t understand the importance of the ground game. I should clarify: either he didn’t understand the importance of it, or he simply omitted it from all of his material.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 7, 2008 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

- Stun Gun has some serious gas tank issues, but the judges still made the right call despite what the crowd would have us believe. He took it in that third round.

I agree. Not sure how Rogan could say so openly that he had Brown winning the decision. I had the ‘stun gun’ winning rd 1 and 3, fairly easily actually.

Of course, I was judging by Rogans criteria last PPV (offense gets the pts over defense) and not his criteria this PPV (Brown controlled the fight defensively). Oops on Rogan.

by mythbuster on Sep 7, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I had Brown winning Round 1 the first time I watched it, but I was admittedly distracted. I haven’t watched it again yet.

by Richard on Sep 7, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You’ve got to give Rashad credit. He had a good gameplan. He used his quickness and athleticism, and eventually found the range with a devastating, well placed strike. It was more than Chuck just getting caught. I don’t know what Evans will show in his next match, but I think Dana sent a message that the way he fought will be rewarded with a title shot.

by Cannon Jacques on Sep 7, 2008 10:19 AM EDT   0 recs

I think the message is:

Rise to the occasion when presented with an opportunity, perform in an entertaining fashion (preferably with a big-time finish), and you’ll be rewarded puh-lenty.

Dana’s running a fairly straight meritocracy, really. It’s just not based solely on W/L, but entertainment value.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 7, 2008 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

The fight game lends itself to more subjective decisions than other sports, and I think Dana and company strike a fair balance between entertainment value and achievements in terms of wins and losses.

by Cannon Jacques on Sep 7, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

meritocracy

That’s the key, and it’s why EliteXC failed.

by thetakeover on Sep 7, 2008 10:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, Zuffa has learned its lessons and now follow the motto of:

“let the cream rise to the top and promote from their” This limits UFC’s liability in brand value.

where as elite xc is doing the opposite with trying to fabricate the cream.

by mmalogic on Sep 7, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

While you’re right about EliteXC, remember that Brock Lesnar is getting a title shot.

by FRANKIE on Sep 8, 2008 5:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Sun has some great pictures up…





by Chris Nelson on Sep 7, 2008 10:38 AM EDT   0 recs

Power...

Fighters are either born with power or without. BUT, technique is key to maximizing the power that you have. Learning to generate punching power through your whole body, turning your punches over, keeping them short…etc are all key. Rashad’s technique has gotten so much better which in turn has turned into an increased striking power game.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 7, 2008 10:50 AM EDT   0 recs

Scouts talk about the same thing with baseball hitters.

It’s about physical talent, something like hitting a ball 450’ and being able to lay someone out with one punch. But bringing that talent to the fore, as you say, can be a long process. I sincerely hope Rashad’s power is here to stay, and that he incorporates it into his approach from now on.

If he does, I no longer fear a potential “Rashad Evans – Light Heavyweight Champion” scenario’s ability to take the sport down a notch. I’m afraid Machida still would hurt the sport as of today, but Rashad doesn’t, as long as he is who we saw at 88.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 7, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what now machida is not good enough?

His fighting style is not always fun to watch but his ability is the same caliber of rashad to say the least. That is why he should have faced him before fight Griffin for the title.

by quike31 on Sep 7, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just curious...

Whats the diffence between the way Rashad fought and the way Machida fights? I believe they both fight elusively, with quick bursts of offense. Not sure why you would say one hurts the sport and the other doesn’t.

by mythbuster on Sep 7, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe the difference is the vicious knock out.

by Richard on Sep 7, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The ends actually do justify the means

when it comes to fights. I think most people will agree with that statement.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 7, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you Luke

The Atlanta fans were the worst crowd in a while. Booing every lull in action and the lame USA chants. And Kim did clearly win that fight.

by LiuLang on Sep 7, 2008 11:57 AM EDT   0 recs

Indeed. I watched the fight under sub-optimal conditions in a loud and raucous Hooters, but sometimes I like NOT hearing the fans in the arena and not hearing Mike and Joe. After the Kim match, we all agreed that he won (and I made two dozen “Dong” jokes) and were surprised to hear that there was ANY controversy there.

What the hell was that style anyway? Watching him climb over Matt Brown, it looked like the guy doing monkey style from Bloodsport. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Sep 7, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was a little ashamed for humanity.

I felt terrible while watching racist fans in Georgia booing Dong Hyun Kim while he was being gracious to them and not quite knowing why they were booing.

by Carpal on Sep 7, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would have called it a draw before i gave it to Kim, when he did take brown to the ground he didn’t do any damage besides the grazing elbow that fortunately for kim cut brown. but the attempts in the first round by Kim to take brown down didn’t work .

by quike31 on Sep 7, 2008 12:02 PM EDT   0 recs

I have always liked Chuck.. but I never realized how many people are on his jock so bad. Everyone seems mad about this fight, like Chuck got robbed. Chuck’s dumbass should have had his hands up(he never does). He should have also been counter punching which is a strength of his. Like I said I have always liked Chuck but I’m not surprised he got knocked out at all. Rashad took advantage of it.

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by Rob Dib on Sep 7, 2008 12:46 PM EDT   1 recs

Greg has awesome gameplans. Back up, back up, lure Chuck into coming after you trying to catch you and when he’s committed, catch him. Rashad ran for several minutes then caught Chuck. I really can’t be mad, Chuck keeps getting out gamed. Last night was a bad one for him.

by Tommy7 on Sep 7, 2008 1:00 PM EDT   0 recs

possible match-ups at LHW

M. Rua vs L. Machida

C. Liddell vs R. Franklin

by klown on Sep 7, 2008 2:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Rashad didn't lose to Tito

I get really annoyed when people say this…if Tito would not have lost a point for grabbing the fence, he would of won the decision. How about, what would happen if Tito didnt grab the fence, Rashad would of nailed one the take downs and possibly score some points while the fight was on the ground. Even Greg Jackson said it in Kevin Iole’s column, that Tito grab the fence on more than one occasion, the most is prob 3 times. If he didn’t it would of been a different fight.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 7, 2008 2:43 PM EDT   0 recs

why are we just looking at the fighters?

Chuck is done, Matt Hughes is done, Sylvia is done, etc…

There is a clear correlation with finished fighters and the gyms they come from.

Hackleman is clearly over his head in todays landscape and Militech has become obsolete.

by mmalogic on Sep 7, 2008 2:53 PM EDT   0 recs

why are we just looking at the fighters?

Because they didn’t show Ariana enough?

(whatever her name is)

by mythbuster on Sep 7, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Passing of the guard

I actually think this is the passing of the guard from the “old” UFC to the new. The exception is Randy, who I think will face the same reality in his next fight or two (though he has proved people wrong again and again on this front).

by thetakeover on Sep 7, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Your title line

is symbolic, seeing as that was literally one of the maneuvers the MMA world learned to execute to bring the game up a notch years ago.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 7, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

At last, a clear perspective...

“Beyond that, though, allowing the truly best fighters to ascend through the ranks even when they aren’t the most marketable is a long term principle that will pay dividends in the end. This is how you not only ensure your product is viable, but this is how you ensure – over the long run – which fighters deserve promotion and marketing. It’s dangerous to put efforts behind a facade or false notion of what’s actually there.”

    Been waiting to hear someone say it, and couldn’t agree more. UFC is an invitation only tournament, but even in that limited format, the best must be allowed to rise to the top. Lyoto Machida comes to mind, as I’m seeing so many negative comments out there about his"running" style and how his fights are boring, but the guy does nothing but win. If Dana White has announced that Rashad Evans gets a shot at Griffin’s title, then Machida has to be first in line for the winner of that fight. Brock Lesnar also comes ro mind, as a ready made product who has been promoted before really establishing himself, but with the Herring victory and an upcoming match with Randy Couture, he has the opportunity to prove he’s for real.

by mu_shin on Sep 7, 2008 3:34 PM EDT   0 recs

This did it for me:

“Two winners of the reality show – after collectively defeating Rampage, Shogun and Liddell – will challenge for the marquee title in the entire sport of MMA. Aside from Evans’ brutal punch, who saw that coming?”

I now look forward to not only the title fight, but to the future of MMA. That’s how it feels. The modern era starts here, dammit!

by ununkvadrium on Sep 7, 2008 5:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Seriously

“Jingoistic fans who caterwaul buffoonish "USA” yelps need to be executed on site."

Is Bloody Elbow like the MMA site for elite, high academic level WASPS? You know some cool words, Luke.
But – que?

by ununkvadrium on Sep 7, 2008 5:09 PM EDT   0 recs

It was pretty weak

the way the crowd behaved. I would guess Georgia won’t be getting any UFC in the near future.

Behave however you want, because the UFC will respond however it wants in response.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 7, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard boos when there shouldn’t have been boos. That’s a bit distressing, but if you use fans behaving in an uninformed, stupid manner as criteria for execution, there will be dead bodies stacked from coast to coast. I’m sure certain places have fans that understand MMA better and behave in a less retarded fashion, but I think that’s far from the norm. Look at what people do when “their team” wins a championship. They turn over cars, set fires, and loot their own cities. It’s freaking stupid, but it happens. A lot of sports fans do stupid shit. I’m not weighing in on the fans of Atlanta, because I’ve only passed through the city, but I can’t see that their behavior was any more disgusting than what I’ve seen in other places. That’s not any kind of justification for their actions, however.

 I agree that the decision in the Kim fight was appropriate. It’s unfortunate that some people feel the need to diminish his accomplishment.

by Cannon Jacques on Sep 7, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Luke, you lost a lot of cool points by that USA comment.

While I agree that the fans in Atlanta use of tact was something similar to Stalin, your stance against a USA chant was something I would expect the same Stalin to say.

Not to mention your use of the word is painfully inaccurate. Or maybe you meant to use it as a pejorative towards the US?

Not only does it

by HoustonRaven on Sep 8, 2008 8:09 AM EDT   0 recs

Thanks, but no thanks

I served my country with six years in the Marine Corps. While I appreciate everyone’s support and criticism, I don’t need lectures on patriotism, it’s purpose, application and limits from anyone else.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 8, 2008 9:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The notion of nations itself

is very unclear. I’ve never heard a satisfactory explanation of what a “nation” is and, especially, how it’s supposed to confer qualities on individuals, making them of a certain “nationality”. I guess from a pragmatic standpoint the “nation” serves a purpose, but strictly philosophically speaking I doubt they exist.

Assuming they do exist – Luke has to be correct here. Otherwise it seems as if everyone should run about chanting “USA” all day long on pain of not being a patriot.

by ununkvadrium on Sep 8, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

imo, there is no place for chants like this, outside of the Olympics or World Cup type of events. Was Brown in there fighting for his country, lol? Hell no. He was fighting for the green, which is exactly as it should be. That said, in a slight defense of the fans, this is not uncommon in any country, so it isn’t just an American fans thing.

These guys are professionals doing a job. Chant Matt, Matt, Matt if you like, but I didn’t see team USA in the cage Saturday night.

Next time I see two people competing for a job promotion, and one is not American, I think I will follow them around and chant USA, lol.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 8, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Next time I see two people competing for a job promotion, and one is not American, I think I will follow them around and chant USA, lol.

lol!

by mythbuster on Sep 8, 2008 12:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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