UFC 88: Breakthrough Staff Predictions
BloodyElbow.com UFC 88: Breakthrough Staff Predictions
Nate Wilcox: The only question in my mind about this fight is whether or not Chuck Liddell is going to start showing his age. The Chuck Liddell that beat Randy Couture and Tito twice each would KO Evans in 2 rounds tops. Until I see evidence that Chuck is losing more than a step, I'm going to stick with the Iceman. Liddell by KO.
Brent Brookhouse: It's been said by pretty much everyone but Rashad is the kind of guy that Chuck usually feasts on. I don't trust the Liddell we've seen since the
Michael Rome: I'm always concerned now when Chuck fights, but I think he'll win here. Every time they hype Rashad we hear we're going to see a new, aggressive striker. It never happens. Rashad isn't that hard to hit, he got hit by Bisping and Tito. Chuck via TKO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: This match is tailor made for Chuck to set him up for a title shot. Unless he starts to show his age, Chuck Liddell by KO.
Rich Franklin vs. Matt Hamill
Nate Wilcox: The pointlessness of this fight makes it hard for me to think clearly.
Brent Brookhouse: I don't trust Hamill's gas at all, especially not against a guy like Rich who will make him work. Even more, I don't like the way Hamill seems to react when he takes punishment and Rich is going to hit him enough that we'll see if he is reacting any better these days. The upset wouldn't shock me, but I don't see it happening. Rich Franklin by TKO round 3.
Michael Rome: I like Hamill, but he is being overrated after his last two fights. His head movement is still terrible, and he throws flat footed, which will be a big problem against Rich Franklin. I suspect he may win a round with takedowns, but Rich is too good to lose via lay and pray. Franklin via TKO, round 3.
Mike Fagan: I think Hamill still has too many flaws and growing pains to beat someone as good as
Dan Henderson vs. Rousimar Palhares
Nate Wilcox:
Brent Brookhouse: Dan really needs to win and look great doing it. A loss here would put Dan at 0-3 in the octagon which just isn't good enough to stick around. Palhares is anything but an easy fight for Henderson and anyone who gets out of the first round against Rousimar without tapping out to a submission has to feel like they're doing something right. I'm going to go with the experience and desperation here but don't be shocked to see Hendo take his third straight loss. Dan Henderson by close decision.
Michael Rome: Too early for Palhares, I think he is going to get smoked. I don't see him taking Dan down, and he's nowhere near Dan's class standing. Henderson via TKO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: If Rousimar had more size, I'd feel more uncomfortable about this pick.
Karo Parisyan vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Nate Wilcox: Karo's back is up against the wall. Yoshida is on the fast track. The stakes couldn't be higher. Both guys are Judo-based fighters. Karo is promising that THIS TIME he's actually trained for the fight, but we'll see Saturday. As much as I want to pick Karo, I'm going to with the evidence of their recent fights -- Karo hasn't looked really good since beating Josh Burkman in May 2007. Yoshida on the other hand has been on a tear -- including against top competitors like Akira Kikuchi. Yoshida by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: I really don't like Karo's lack of finishing ability, the longer you stay in a fight with someone who can finish you off the more chances you are giving them to do so. Karo also doesn't have the advantage of being much more familiar with fighting in a cage so he loses an edge there. Yoshida by decision.
Michael Rome: This is really a hard pick. Karo has lost a lot of luster of late, and he's looked flat, but I think he'll come out looking better here. That being said, the way he underestimated the threat from Yoshida on Luke's show makes me think upset. Yoshida via TKO, round 2.
Mike Fagan: I'm big on Yoshida. I'm not big on Parisyan. Zenko should be able to hold off Karo's judo. Yoshida by TKO.
Nathan Marquardt vs. Martin Kampmann
Nate Wilcox: I think Marquardt will prove that Kampmann is a paper tiger. Kampmann is very well rounded, but the most impressive name on his win list is Thales Leites and he didn't really beat Leites so much as out last him once he got gassed. Kampmann doesn't have the power to KO Nate nor can he win on the ground. I expect Marquardt to win a dominating 3 round decision.
Brent Brookhouse: The biggest problem here is that Kampmann is a very good striker without a lot of power. So Nate doesn't have to be overly cautious in the striking game, which will allow him to close distance, use his wrestling to get the takedown and punish Kampmann from the top position. Nate Marquardt by TKO round 2.
Michael Rome: Nate routinely lets me down, but I think he will power his way to a decision here, hopefully with another piledriver. Mardquardt via decision.
Mike Fagan: Marquardt by TKO.
UNDERCARD:
Kurt Pellegrino vs. Thiago Tavares
Nate Wilcox: This is nearly a loser-leave-town match. Both of these guys have flirted with contention, both are coming off losses. I'm going with Tavares, I think he's the blue chip prospect and will have learned a great deal from his KO loss to Matt Wiman. Tavares by submission.
Brent Brookhouse: Pellegrino is getting shafted in the odds a bit here as I don't think he has any business being at +300, but he is certainly the dog. Both guys need a good showing coming off of losses so we could see some explosiveness here. Tavares should have the tools to get this done but I threw a little bit of money on Kurt as he is a very live dog. Thiago Tavares by decision.
Michael Rome: Clearly this should be on the main card. I expect a really fun match on the ground, but I think Tavares is better then Pellegrino, and really needs this win. Tavares via submission, round 2.
Mike Fagan: Tavares by submission.
Jason Lambert vs. Jason MacDonald
Nate Wilcox: This is an interesting match-up. Both of these guys are good on the ground, Lambert with the GnP, MacDonald with the submissions. Will be interesting to see if Lambert has problems adjusting to the weight loss. I'm going with MacDonald by submission. The guy is just too quick on the ground for Lambert.
Brent Brookhouse: Lambert's striking technique tends to be SO bad but MacDonald probably isn't the guy to exploit it. He can exploit the fact that he is the better fighter though. MacDonald by submission round 1.
Michael Rome: Jason Macdonald has shown me that he is just not a smart fighter of late. I expect that he will be overwhelmed by Lambert's wrestling at 185, but it's not like Lambert is a genius either. This is really tough, but I'm picking Lambert via decision.
Mike Fagan: MacDonald by submission.
Roan Carneiro vs. Ryo Chonan
Nate Wilcox: This is another head scratcher. These guys have fought before, Chonan won via a cut. I would pick Carneiro but he looked so bad in his last fight. Chonan by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Carneiro is a bit too inconsistant for my tastes, not that we always see the same Chonan showing up every fight either. It's a coin flip fight here but I'm going to take Chonan by decision.
Michael Rome: Carneiro via submission, round 2.
Mike Fagan: Chonan by TKO.
Dong Hyun Kim vs. Matt Brown
Nate Wilcox: Kim is being fed Matt Brown so he can rack up another impressive win
on Korean TV. They have big plans for international expansion and Dong Hyun Kim could be the leader of that invasion. Kim by TKO.
Brent Brookhouse: I really like Matt Brown, he seems like a guy who just "is who he is" and is happy with that. Unfortunately who he is, is not a dynamic enough fighter to beat the very tough Kim. Unless he can catch Kim with a home run punch Kim is going to beat him badly. Kim by TKO round 1.
Michael Rome: This is another that could be very exciting. Dong is a league above though and is gonna hurt Matt Brown. Dong via KO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: Kim by TKO.
Mike Patt vs. Tim Boetsch
Nate Wilcox: Boetsch by beat down in 1.
Brent Brookhouse: I absolutely love the way Boetsch fights. He is just a bully who punishes people. He made some mistakes in the Hamill fight which are troubling but I don't think that Patt is the kind of guy who has fought at the level where he can take advantage of those same mistakes. Tim Boetsch by TKO round 2.
Michael Rome: Boetsch via TKO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: Boetsch by TKO.
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Wow, have you guys ever agreed on every fight outcome for the main card before?
by Day Man on Sep 5, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Sadly, I agree as well, lol. That can’t possibly be a good sign, lol!
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Sep 5, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Whenever that happens something is up, but none of us are able to pinpoint it.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 5, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured it was some display of solidarity
that I wasn’t ‘getting.’ Good to know it’s just Twilight Zone material.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Sep 5, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But hey, if things don’t go as planned it means the card was exciting, and I can always get down with an exciting card.
by Day Man on Sep 5, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palhares submits Henderson
Calling it now.
by KneeToTheFace on Sep 5, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally!
No saying that’s gonna happen, but finally someone picks an upset!
by mythbuster on Sep 5, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yoshida over Karo would be a very big upset; so would Pellegrino
by Luke Thomas on Sep 5, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that Yoshida over Karo is supposed to be a big upset. But not only do all of you guys pick Yoshida to win, but the general consensus everywhere I’ve read today has predicted Yoshida to win. Kind of feel likes an upset that’s not really an upset, you know?
I hope Yoshida makes Karo look like a fool — never been a fan of Karo, at all.
by Kierkegaard on Sep 5, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yoshida/Parisyan Cancelled
Karo got scared at the last moment and broke his own back. This UFC just went down a notch.
by cyph on Sep 5, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was Thiago Silva’s back you heard breaking.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 5, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking forward to this fight
and watching Karo lose. I wonder what this will mean for him in the long run.
by LiuLang on Sep 5, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karo read here then withdraw because 5 men thinks that Yoshida will win.
by Anty57 on Sep 5, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the main card my picks are the exact opposite of theirs. These are the most unimaginative predictions I have ever seen. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
1. Liddel will get taken down for three rounds. (Unanimous decision for Evans)
2. Franklin will get taken down for three rounds. (Unanimous decision for Hammil)
3. Henderson will get submitted. (Submision by armbar in Round 1)
4. Kampman will neutralize the ground attack of marquardt. (Kampman by KO in round 2)
Now these are picks by a guy with a sack.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Sep 5, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with 1, 2, and 4. I just don’t see Hendo getting submitted again.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Sep 5, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez, I’m totally off. Number 3 is the one I think could actually happen.
by Day Man on Sep 5, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you mean by imaginative
is bad picks? Who cares how they chose their picks, they made them and they will either be right or wrong.
by LiuLang on Sep 5, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An imagination is what you need to disagree with the odds makers. If you simply go with the odds then either you are convinced the odds are good or you have no imagination. The fact that each of them chose the same, lead me to believe there is a serious lack of imagination — especially since these are close, well crafted match-ups.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Sep 5, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that they based their respective picks off of what the odds makers are saying? Doesn’t it seem much more likely (and reasonably) that they based their picks off of their own MMA knowledge (e.g. what they’ve seen either fighter do against various different opponents throughout their careers).
Additionally, the similarity of picks across the board is not the norm it’s an aberration.
by Estrada on Sep 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These are tough fights to call & the odds makers are paid based on how well they can lay odds. So I’m sure each of these pundits pay attention to the odds makers. If they didn’t care about the odds then they wouldn’t be good pundits. If I lacked imagination I would go with the odds everytime. But, more to the point, if I was a pundit I would probably go out of my way to disagree with a fellow pundit or bookie or odds maker (when it is plausible). What makes this card so great is that every fight is close.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Sep 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
then you missed me picking Sylvia over Fedor, and Irvin over Silva, and a whole lot of other upsets. I don’t pick to make people think “wow…he has balls!” I pick based on WHO I think will WIN the FIGHT…
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 5, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... you really shouldn't brag about those horrible predictions.
In other words: No one should really care about what your prediction is? lol
I’m just kidding, but it sounds like you really believe that Marquardt will beat Kampmann (for example). All I’m saying is that if you believe that something is 50/50 it might behoof you, as a pundit, to take the road less traveled.
Maybe you agree with me, you just don’t think any of these fights are that close?
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Sep 5, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s hardly bragging. He’s just making the point that he doesn’t choose favorites just to choose them. In fact, Brent chooses who he thinks will win fights. He just sucks at picking main event winners apparently. :-P
by Richard Wade on Sep 5, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Behoof?
I’m pretty sure you mean “be hoff” — as in, “it might make you ultra cool and a wrinkly-dog magnet” …
Carry on. After pouring clorox in your eye sockets.
by Kierkegaard on Sep 5, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should feel ashamed. lol
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Sep 5, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the CIA finds this picture in my internet cache then I am coming after you.
by szucconi on Sep 6, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s disgusting.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Sep 6, 2008 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.. thanks
I really needed that first thing in the morning. :P
by mythbuster on Sep 6, 2008 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was your reason for picking Irvin, again? The only time I questioned picks here was when I felt like Shayna Baszler would submit Cyborg. That didn’t work out so well for me, or Shayna.
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 5, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the reason most people who picked Irvin did so based on the idea that he had a size advantage and has KO power.
by Richard Wade on Sep 5, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know looking back at it...
I just had a feeling that night. It was a bad, stupid feeling.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 5, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
If I had a nickle every time I had a “bad, stupid feeling,” I’d have a shitload of nickles.
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 5, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liddell by (T)KO round 1-2
Franklin by sub round 2
Think I’m gonna change my mind and go with Palhares sub round 2
I hate Nate so Martin by 1st round something
Tavares sub round 2
Mcdonald by sub round 1-2
Carneiro sub round 1-2
Kim by something
Tim by KO round 1
by Tommy7 on Sep 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally think Nate should change his nickname from Great to Snake, he is one dirty fighting dude. He always sneaks something dirty into the fight. Maybe he’ll go for a soccer kick or a head stomp in this fight.
by Tommy7 on Sep 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But Snake doesn’t rhyme with Nate.
by Richard Wade on Sep 5, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going against the grain...
Rashad wins by split decision. He frustrates Liddell by avoiding his power punches. With his improved striking skills he’s able to trade with Chuck and set up some takedowns. Liddell makes the mistake of not taking Rashad serious because he’s too laid-back and not an over-the-top personality like most of the people in the UFC. Liddell is too focused on getting a title shot and sees Rashad as a stepping stone. Rashad smartly realizes this is his chance to shock the world and rises to the occasion.
Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I love a spoiler. Besides, if this happened the comments after the match will be much more interesting. “Liddell is washed-up..” or “Man, didn’t think Rashad had it in him…” This should be a great fight.
by Akorn on Sep 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that there is a legit argument that Liddell is, in fact, washed-up
if he loses to Rashad. This is a fight that he absolutely must win if he wants to remain relevant. A loss to a guy like Rashad would literally derail him, and I don’t know how he could repair the damage. Especially with all the ‘His leg is 10000000%11!!" stuff they’ve been doing, so there’s not even that to fall back on.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Sep 6, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Liddel loses, especially by decision, ...
you’ll see all sorts of comments about how the ref, the judges, the doctors and the cage itself are corrupt and against Liddel. You know, same thing that happens whenever the more popular fighter loses.
by mythbuster on Sep 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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