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The UFC Heavyweight Picture— Suddenly Very Heavy

Fronted by Luke Thomas

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Some might consider calling Dana White a magician above and beyond the realm of flattery. But consider this: two months ago, with Sylvia’s departure, Lesnar’s loss to Mir and Couture’s gnashing teeth, the UFC’s once mighty heavyweight division appeared to be headed towards a dark age. Who could know that in such a short frame of time Sylvia’s departure would be considered addition by subtraction, Lesnar would dominate Herring (propelling him into relevance) and Couture would be hugging Dana White on his YouTube blog in a purple Kangol hat (with suddenly gleaming teeth, no less)? And what dark wizardry could bring a Couture vs. Lesnar super fight to the forefront of the MMA universe? It just so happens it’s the same magic that has thrown the entire (and suddenly formidable) UFC heavyweight division into a vortex. I intend to do my best to sort it all out, or at least to consider some of the very real possibilities.

Star-divide

The major debris in the clockwork revolves primarily around two factors:

 

A)    The Four Way Title Fight

And

B)    Fabricio; Lost in Space

 

A) The question has arisen (and will continue to, with increasing frustration); who is the real champion? And who will be the real champion after UFC 91 and UFC 92? Will Brock Lesnar truly be considered the legit champ in beating Randy Couture before Mir and Big Nog even face one another? In either circumstance, should Brock emerge victorious, there exists a concern. Minotauro was the man Brock had clearly been working towards and Mir is the one man that has defeated Brock. Lesnar could not be considered the true titleholder without facing and defeating the victor of that match. Then could Couture be considered the true champ in the case that he emerges victorious? My solution to this particular problem is to simply call it a four-man title tournament to decide the real champion. This could suitably deny Brock the championship without defeating Minotauro (should he himself emerge victorious). I understand the issues involving Minotauro being the interim champ and Couture perhaps insisting that he be considered the champion upon his return. But all of these gentlemen are very clear in the eventual objective; ‘why all the confusion?’ I say.

 

B) Poor Fabricio Werdum is essentially left out in the cold. I know that not everyone believes he was a clear next-in-line based on his accomplishments in the octagon to date, but it has been implied. Unfortunately for Werdum, he is a victim of the market outgrowing him. He’ll have to survive at least two more contending fights (by my logic) to get another title shot and it is quite likely that in that space he’ll face the likes of Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin and/or Cheick Kongo.

 

Beyond those questions, there are several other interesting match-ups to consider. Carwin and Gonzaga are being handed cans (Neil Wain at 89 and Josh Hendricks at 91, respectively) while Cheick was supposedly offered a fight with Lesnar and the aforementioned Werdum is in limbo. Velasquez, meanwhile, is reportedly unable to find an opponent— but in this new UFC Heavyweight landscape, should find someone anxious to prove they’re next (to next, to next) in line for a title shot. Could that suitor be Heath Herring, who may be fighting for his UFC life? And could a consequent possibility be Kongo vs. Werdum as a mathematic result? Lastly, what combination of losers in title fights A and B constitute a losers match-up? Brock vs. Mir, at least, would be sure fire.

 

And of course, no heavyweight conversation involving Couture would be complete without a nod to Fedor (who is reportedly also suddenly interested in facing Lesnar). Knowing full well that the UFC has made some loose vow to Randy that they would pursue a Fedor/Couture fight, the talk of Stary Oskol vs. America will not die down any day soon.

 

It’s an exciting and promising picture, to be sure. One could say Dana sold his soul, if it hadn’t been said so many times before.

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The UFC heavyweight division is beginning to look like any of their other divisions now. Before the Mir/Lesnar fight I would never have imagined that things could change so quickly.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Sep 4, 2008 6:31 AM EDT   0 recs

They need to feed Kongo to Velasquez since Lesnar is now fighting Couture.

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Sep 4, 2008 8:00 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Lesnar/Kongo made tons of sense, too. If Brock had dominated Kongo like he did Herring, it would have done quite a bit for his credibility. Velasquez would also benefit greatly from a victory over Kongo.

Of course Kongo would benefit by a win, too. I just don’t see it happening against great wrestlers like Velasquez or Lesnar.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 4, 2008 10:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My logic with Kongo facing Werdum

Is that Kongo clearly isn’t being handled gently after being offered the Lesnar fight. I really was taken aback at UFC 87 by how loudly he was cheered in his fight with Evenson. If he can string together some wins and develop some competence in his ground game (at least some defensive ability) he could become a star. Defeating Werdum would do wonders for that growing perception, while dually serving as a de-railer for Fabricio’s title hopes (which the UFC may now desire, since they don’t need Werdum to be a contender anymore and would probably like to take him out of contention discretely). All of which is moot with Cheick being out for an extended period of time. I really had no idea.

by Blackout612 on Sep 4, 2008 12:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the UFC's HW division can now be classified as

“an embarrassment of riches.” I honestly think it would be a good think for Verdum to succeed, since they’ve now got 3 wrestlers in the top 5 of this heap. Couture, Lesnar, and Velasquez are all great fighters, but none of them are incredible submission artists. Verdum, Nog and Mir are a good counter to that group, with Kongo and Gonzaga also in the picture, but certainly on the outside of the inner circle at this point.

Great, great division. I really am beginning to wonder if I’m fickle, since I didn’t feel like this was such a good division before Randy came back. Here’s a few thoughts on that..

There are lots of fighters in the HW division who need to prove themselves before they are considered to be serious title contenders. Velasquez, Lesnar, Carwin, Kongo and Verdum probably all fit into that description.. Gonzaga could work his way to another shot, but it’s tricky for him..it would take a few outstanding fights to catch up to the first five. So basically, we need a round of fights for this group before we can get a good feel for who moves where on the UFC HW ladder. Time we didn’t seem to have – until Randy returned.

With Randy’s return, it basically takes the first five guys in my previous paragraph and gives them each a fight to further themselves. Even Lesnar falls into this category, since a loss to Randy might actually improve his status as a contender, depending on how he performs. But Velasquez, Verdum, Carwin and Kongo (before he needed surgery, anyways) all get a chance to improve their stock, while Randy’s doing his best rendition of David vs. Goliath, and this Title Orgy commences. By the time this thing is done, we’ll have accomplished a couple major points.

1. Fill the HW development gap between now and the end of TUF 8
2. Give the younger HW’s an additional round of fights to establish themselves as contenders
3. Add another marquee name to the HW roster
4. Create a ridiculously high-profile match between superstars Lesnar and Couture which might actually have a sport-wide impact, especially if Lesnar wins

So I guess the reason that Randy changes the landscape is because it widens the whole pyramid out, from top to bottom. Before, the UFC had one legendary, top-shelf fighter in Nogueira. Now they have two, with a handful of younger stars trying to burst on the scene, and enough time to achieve their entry.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 4, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn’t Kongo hurt? I thought I read that somewhere? If he isn’t then he should face Velasquez.

by pr0cs on Sep 4, 2008 10:27 AM EDT   0 recs

Gentlemen.....

Kongo is out for an indefinite period, he is having a pre-existing shoulder injury operated on soon. That is the reason he turned down the Lesnar fight to begin with. That and he would have probably lost.

I think Werdum is 1 fight away. IF he wins at UFC 90, he could theoretically sit tight till the spring when the dust settles and be the first challenger to the winner of this mini-tourny. Although a matchup against Valasquez is very intriguing.

by Nick Travaglini on Sep 4, 2008 10:30 AM EDT   0 recs

I must be dense.

I didn’t know Kongo had a condition, nor that he was having an operation which would prohibit him from competition.

I thought he was straight ducking Lesnar.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 4, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Werdum

The one benefit for him, if he can survive long enough for it to materialize, is that his HW title match just got a lot bigger than it was last week.

The Werdum vs Nog/Mir winner match would not have generated much interest from your average fan, they would definitely need a big LHW match up or some other title match on that card for it to be a successful card.

The momentum from this Four Way Title Fight (I like that description) will carry into the Werdum fight, and it is now a lot bigger, even if it ends up being against Nog or Mir.

by Phildo on Sep 4, 2008 10:31 AM EDT   0 recs

I agree.

I think that when Werdum does get the shot at the title, it will simultaneously give him a shot at relevance with UFC fans that don’t know or aren’t excited about him at this point. Couture really adds legitimacy to the HW title picture among no-hardcore fans. I also really believe that Werdum may only be one fight away from a title shot.

by Cannon Jacques on Sep 4, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

With all these talented up-and-coming fighters in the HW division,

all Verdum has to do is defeat one of them in splendid fashion and he’ll make himself relevant.

That’s the thing about BJJ guys, though…if they pull an impressive sub early in the match, it just isn’t as satisfying to the non-hardcore fans. Heck, I’m hardcore and it just isn’t as satisfying to me! Watching Nog get his face beat in, then somehow pulling it out at the eleventh hour is incredibly entertaining. But watching a really smooth BJJ guy work his craft quickly and efficiently just isn’t as satisfying for most people.

Not saying it’s fair, but it does appear to be true.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 4, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My sole reason for thinking Werdum will need two fights

Timing. He needs to be relevant in some way when his shot arises. Either he rots away now and doesn’t fight for another three months to make it time out just right, or he takes a fight by 91 and has to take another before he sees his shot.

by Blackout612 on Sep 4, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who considers losing Sylvia addition by subtraction

other than Dana White? Last time I check he is still a consensus top 10 heavyweight.

by smoogy on Sep 4, 2008 2:40 PM EDT   0 recs

I would consider losing Sylvia addition by subtraction.

Mostly because he’s extremely unlikely to improve from this point on, and the UFC has quite a few guys who have realistic upsides beyond that of Sylvia. Watching these guys develop is a big part of the reason we pay attention to these fights. Clear the way for Verdum/Velasquez/Carwin/Kongo/Lesnar, and at least one of those guys will surpass anything Sylvia’s been able to put together, and you might even see two of them do that.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 4, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do. But then again, I’ve always hated Tim Sylvia and cringed at the thought that he was actually holding a title in the first place. The thought of never having to watch him again or hear about him wearing his belt to bed with him or to the grocery store, etc., is a HUGE addition in my mind. But that’s just me being a Sylvia hater.

Oh, and he might still be a consensus top 10 heavyweight, but I’m not sure how much longer that will last. He’s going to have to actually beat somebody decent outside the UFC to maintain that status ….

by Kierkegaard on Sep 4, 2008 3:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Come on, now! His fight with Fedor was awesome to watch.

Probably the most interesting of Tim’s career.

by Heenan on Sep 4, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do, but I just can’t stand watching Tim fight any more.

by Richard on Sep 4, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I fourth the sentiment.

by Blackout612 on Sep 4, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I never had much of an opinion on Silvia other than he always looked funny to me when he was fighting. Personally, I think we’ve seen Silvia’s peak come and go. He isn’t going to improve as a fighter any more than he already is, as far as I see it. Yes, he was champ twice, and he’s currently considered a top ten heavyweight. but give it a year and he’ll be out of the picture I figure.

by pud333 on Sep 4, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

great article, blackout.

by Ronnie Liddle on Sep 4, 2008 7:23 PM EDT   0 recs

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