Five Crucial Moves for EliteXC
EliteXC "Heat" on October 4 is arguably the most important live show in American MMA's short history. If the show bombs, and CBS ends the deal, EliteXC will die, and so will the rest of the UFC's competition. If it does a huge rating, and CBS buys the promotion, the UFC will have its first real competition in the form of a gigantic and powerful network.
Everybody knows how many mistakes the people at Pro Elite have made. There is no reason to go over them again. However, I have five recommendations for people in charge of the company going forward that I believe will help them survive if they are able to get past next Saturday.
1) Establish narratives for fights: This is one of the most important things the UFC does, and it seems like nobody else gets it. The fight between Kimbo Slice and Ken Shamrock is the best example. Currently, there is no narrative, unless you count people questioning whether the fight should happen as a narrative. The story here writes itself: Old legend comes back to take down the outsider that is an embarrassment to his sport. Ken Shamrock is amazing at promotion, and if they hammered this for 7 days they would give the media something to bite on. Instead we have Slice making a fool of himself on PTI. I could go on and on, but I think that gets this point across.
2) Fire Jared Shaw: This man is one of the last remaining artifacts of the regime that ran this hopeful company into the ground. He knows virtually nothing about the sport, has no impressive business background to speak of, has not pulled off a single major promotional feat, and embarrasses himself, Pro Elite, and CBS every time he speaks. Don't even get me started on the way he was yelling at the referee to stand Kimbo and Thompson up. Can you imagine if Dana or Lorenzo did that in a Chuck fight?
3) Separate Gina Carano and Kimbo Slice: For better or worse, these are your stars right now. Putting them on the same show will regularly result in a show that does well followed by a ratings disaster. They should never be on the same show.
4) Only match your stars against potential future stars: Both Gina Carano and Kimbo Slice are fragile stars, Slice more so than Gina. Either one could lose, and when they do, Pro Elite better hope that another star is created in the process. What in the world do you do with Kelly Kobald if she beats Gina Carano? It's a no-win fight. If you want to set up an easy fight for your star to win, make sure it's actually an easy fight. Hopefully the conclusion is flowing from this, but I'll put it in bold just incase: Do not book Kimbo Slice vs. Brett Rogers.
5) Work with Mark Cuban to get weekly television on HD Net: The biggest problem for EliteXC is they can't get any momentum. Even after a successful show like the one in May, there isn't any followup. They don't have weekly recap shows or a reality show to keep fans in the mix until their next big show, and as a result any new fans created simply fall into the UFC funnel. Since they probably won't get a weekly showtime series anytime soon, they should sign a deal with HD Net to do a weekly show that includes interviews, highlights, and fights from all the various promotions they bought for no reason. Most people haven't seen these fights, so they would be fresh, and in between fights they could have segments heating up their next shows. They could even steal M-1's idea and do "Fighting Kimbo," in which a bunch of angry old fighters that hate what Kimbo is doing to the sport compete for the chance to fight him.
Of course, if the show bombs this Saturday and everything ends, then all this is for nothing. But I think Shamrock and Kimbo are big enough names that it will do well, so the important thing is what to do going forward. If they could execute all five ideas above, a future on PPV isn't completely out of the question.
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Do not book Kimbo Slice vs. Brett Rogers.
Disagree completely. Booking this fight would be great for EliteXC. This fight has a great narrative. I’m sick of Kimbo fighting cans and oldsters. Let’s have a real fight.
I’m sure you do, but seeing as the goal of the promotion should be to actually stay in business as opposed to pleasing Sherdog, running that fight would be brutally stupid.
by Michael Rome on Sep 26, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You're basically asking them to fix fights
Or at least pick fights with a winner in mind. This isn’t pro wrestling, and God willing it won’t turn into boxing – this is MMA, where fans want the best to fight the best as they know that is the only way to determine the best. The UFC can be the first truly intercontinental sports entity with roots in the US – once its dispatches of these pathetic excuses for competitors.
If Dana White did what you suggest to keep his stars involved in compelling storylines, you’d rip him a new asshole. Say what you want about Randy v Brock, they didn’t pick the fight because they knew Randy would win.
by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Funny fact: The Ultimate Fighter, seasons 3, 5, 6, and 8 were all set up with one person specifically expected to win the blowoff match.
I assume that doesn't excuse EliteXC doing it, right?
by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course not. But it seems silly to single them out for a practice that is done across the board. Making fights where the winner is expected isn’t “pro wrestling”, its merely an effect of logical matchmaking. You don’t create top prospects by throwing them in the deep end every single time because you’ll break their confidence and probably ruin their body, nor do you go out and force your super popular champion to fight unpopular bad style matchups for them.
But isn't that exactly what Randy/Brock is?
Randy loses to big strong wrestlers. Brock is a big strong wrestler. And Liddel/Evans might have been set up to reward Chuck with a title shot, but Evans is/was undefeated and certainly much more accomplished than Brett fucking Rogers. Kimbo-Shamrock.. .that would’ve been like… well, Liddell-Shamrock. A fucking joke.
by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy is the past, Brock is the future
Brock is already a huge draw for the UFC, if he beats Randy and becomes champ he will be an even bigger draw.
If Randy wins, he has another few huge draw in him.
The UFC wins either way.
Randy is the past, Brock is the future
Them, dear sir, is fightin words.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Get ready for PPV price increases
And kiss the free show on spike goodbye. If you think Dana will do anything for the fan he doesnt have to. Your crazy.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
The first free Spike show from the UK was in April 2007 when there was no real competition to speak of.
There are tons of incentives to keep putting on free shows besides the competition. It’s more complicated than you make it sound.
by Michael Rome on Sep 26, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They were trying to build Bisping and tap into the English market. Every show there since has been a PPV in Europe (although 1 show was free in the US)
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
without any other mma org Zuffa still compete’s on “entertainment” value… so there is no shortage of incentive.
The UFC routinely books fights with a winner in mind. See: Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans. It didn’t work out, but if you don’t think they intentionally booked Chuck against a wrestler that looked weak standing in the past, you’re delusional. UFC 80, 81, 83, 84, 85, 87, and 88 all had main attractions with a goal of one guy winning.
This is different because it's not even close
Those two fighters belonged in the same ring with each other. Now, if EXC wanted to treat Kimbo like he is – an untested fighter with no amateur credentials but a lot of upside and power – then they could excuse Thompson and (now) Shamrock instead of Rogers. BUT, they say he’s got the ‘best striking in MMA’s HW division’ and is ‘undefeated.’ Can’t have it both ways, assholes.
by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Having a favorite in mind and putting people in sure-thing fights are two different things. And strangely, you’re arguing for the worse of the too.
Once again Michael Rome wants MMA to be pro wrestling. Surprise, surprise.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
But also remember that there are no “sure-thing” fights in MMA (e.g. GSP v. Serra 1).
And in his original argument he’s not saying to only book Kimbo in “sure-thing” fights, but that his opponent should also be a decent draw in his own right or a burgeoning star. In so much as that person could become EXC’s next big draw (hypothetically speaking), allowing them to continue to grow as a promotion (where they would be transitioning from being carried by Kimbo to using him as a large stepping stone to jump on the next mythical unbeatable bad-ass hype-train bandwagon).
Personally I think EXC is doomed to fail (even if they followed all of Rome’s guidelines) because they built so much of their product around this (false) invincibility aura they manufactured for Kimbo, but that’s my humble opinion.
I just realized what’s bothering me about a while about this whole line of reasoning: Putting Gina and Kimbo together in this argument like this is just ridiculous. You know?
What they have in common is star power. Everything else is different.
- Gina is, depending on who you ask, at worst top 20 among female fighters, and at best top 5. Kimbo is… top 100 among heavyweights?
- Gina is a striking specialist but really trains all areas of her game and is dangerous on the ground. Kimbo is… pathetic on the ground.
- Gina comes to MMA from a TMA, Muay Thai, where she excelled. Kimbo is… a street brawler with not a lot of technique.
- Gina is training with Randy Couture whose camp has had a great deal of success in recent years. Kimbo is…. with Bas, who trained… Mark Kerr.
- Gina has faced other top competition and come out looking more and more impressive after each fight. Kimbo is… still fighting cans.
- Gina is 26 and in the prime of her fighting career. Kimbo is… 34 and had better make some waves soon.
And Gina is much more likely to survive a loss than Kimbo, just because she’s so much cuter and people will, like it or not, treat her differently for being a woman.
(BTW: I like Kimbo, but I try to like him for who and what he is.)
So here’s my quesiton: is Kimbo a safe bet for them to be trying to build up?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Sep 26, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that people need to reread the article. You’ll find it’s intent is stating what EliteXC needs to do in the immediate future to survive. Placing Rogers against Slice is definitely not one of them. UFC can survive Chuck losing to Rashad, but there’s absolutely no upside and is potentially disastrous for EliteXC to have Slice lose. Which is why EliteXC is a terrible promotion that needs to protect terrible fighters like Slice
So what’s the motivation for wanting them to survive?
Oh, exactly.
When your business relies on gimmicks and tricking your customers, you’re not just doomed: you deserve to be doomed.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
please update your list
2A… Fire Jared Shaw
2B… Hire Michael Rome
So should elite xc do all this after they go out of business or….. after they go out of business?
Even if this show produces ratings at the probable high end they have no money to continue.
Elite as we know it is done – whether Showtime decides to bring it back in one form or another is a different story.
My estimates are this show will not beat it’s debut ratings.
by mmalogic on Sep 26, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is all a plan for the future if the show does well and CBS buys in. The only thing they can do this week is get Shamrock out there to hype this thing. I predict it beats the first show if the main event goes long (that was a big aspect of the first rating). Otherwise I think it will be close or a little lower.
by Michael Rome on Sep 26, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with 1, 2, 3, and 4….however, #5 doesn’t nothing for them…the only people that have HD Net are the hardcores…shit, I’m hardcore…and I DON’T have HD Net.
http://mma4real.net/
Definitely true for now, but look at how fast the channel has grown. Within a couple of years it will be in most households.
by Michael Rome on Sep 26, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends
If the Japanese MMA scene dies like everyone is predicting…there will not be much to watch on that channel…lol
http://mma4real.net/
by Tha Realness on Sep 26, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The Zach Arnolds of the world who have been predicting doom and gloom even admit that all this is just a preamble to another singular/competing set of promotions who will probably run most of the same venues with many of the same fighters.
But not anytime real soon. I have heard from a couple people now that AFL had all of its financing pulled, and has basically imploded. There aren’t going to be new MMA companies anytime real soon with major cash.
by Michael Rome on Sep 26, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Which will be a real shame. I have HDNet and I really have a hard time getting into some of the regional shows. The production value is weak and the matches are really low level. I would much rather be able to see Dream,EXC and UFC. I like that there are several Watchable MMA cards per month. All these promotions failing will sadly bring it to an end.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
The AFL ain’t a Japanese organization, Mike, and even Arnold (who this site basically links to for articles of that nature) says that he thinks the ’ol K-1 boss wants to take over the whole show out there.
As for the “End of History” argument in MMA, I’m seriously not interested in going over that again. When new MMA promotions stop being created or funded to try and garner market share, I’ll cede victory. Its never happened before and I doubt that if MMA continues to be successful for the Strikeforces and UFCs that it will suddenly stop.
The AFL went about as gently into that good night as possible.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael
Pro Elite signed a deal with FSN to show a Sunday Night MMA show, “Champions of Cage” that will start airing this Sunday night. This is your answer to how they can get momentum and start showcasing their product through other media.
From what I can tell it’s just archived fights from other promotions and will do nothing to sustain momentum between shows.
by Michael Rome on Sep 27, 2008 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
In My expensive analysis the threat to Zuffa is not Affliction, elite xc or anyone else dumb enough to go head to head.
Back in the day when pride was the big dog Zuffa wasn’t stupid enough to step on their toes… until the kill strike.
The threat to Zuffa is not how much money a group can invest… it’s how long an entity can operate without losing money and how deeply it’s brand penetrates during this time.
You have to build a fan base which no one has been able to do yet… and if they do they have to do it in a way where the base doesn’t migrate to zuffa’s funnel as they do it… very tricky
The only probable threat to Zuffa and likely number 2 if one ever emerges will be HDnet.
Why? and How?
They are branding themselves very inexpensively by acquiring content cheaply instead of creating it themselves.
If the day comes when the channel and the content garners significant eyeballs then Cuban can mount an assault with his own in house promotion, in house content – with a good probability of success.
Every other organization is just investing money to build stars for Zuffa.
by mmalogic on Sep 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Really good analysis on Cuban. I think that is spot on and most likely his plan for entering the MMA game in the future.
I concur
That will be a probable plan of attack. I trust that Cuban will be in it to do what is right by the fans. He doesn’t need the money. He’d be the definition of a “best case scenerio”.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Cuban is still a businessman first.
He’s not going to jump in “for the good of the fan” unless if can make him money.
He dumped his website at the right time, he stopped promoting fights when he saw it wasn’t very profitable, and now he’s looking to buy the Cubs, not because he loves Chicago or the Cubs, but because he loves money.
It would be nice if he got back into the promoting, but don’t think he’ll have a “fans first” mentality, he’s going to be in it for the cash.
Disagree to a point
Sure he is a business man. He wants to make money just like everyone else. But Cuban has shown that he is FAR from greedy. The Dallas Mavericks have a top 3 payroll every year. When he bought them they were run by penny pinchers. He routinely takes loses and pays luxury taxes on them. He is buying the cubs because he is an IU grad and grew up a cubs fan. He doesnt have to rape the fans to run something he views as a success.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
It will never cease to amaze how some people that hate Zuffa will go out of their way to make it seem like others are some sort of knights in shining armor. Mark Cuban cares about being an incredibly successful businessman and making shit tons of money. If a venture was unprofitable or did not have prospects of making money in the future, he would kill it. When was the last time HDNet Fights had a show? Sure he’s doing something that he likes and believes in, but he’s also in it to make money and for the tax right offs.
I understand why they are handling Kimbo this way, feeding him guys he has a great shot of defeating without too much relative danger. They have made a huge investment in him, both marketing & otherwise. But it is not like they have a line of worldbeaters lining up to fight him. If it was not for Lesnar’s crazy size & athleticism, the UFC would more than likely be feeding him the same sort of competition. The problem is, if a large bjj guy can get it to the ground Fergie could be in major trouble & I am sure that Elite does not want a repeat of the Houston Alexander situation. Eventually they are going to be forced to book him against a major threat and then we can see how he has progressed or not. We as fans of course want to see him thrown in the deep end to see how he does, but if this was our company and we invested this much into him, we would probably milk him for as long as we could. Without him on a major card, who would people pay to see fight? IMO
I agree with pretty much everything Michael Rome wrote. Yes, some of the moves are not in the best interest of the sport, but that’s something everyone needs to learn to live with.
Booking fights and making moves that please people who post on this blog won’t pay the bills. Affliction ran a card that was lauded on the internet for its quality booking, yet the date for Affliction’s second show has already been pushed back, with no definite future date.
We can cry about freakshow match ups and protecting stars all we want, but if EliteXC is going to survive moves like that are its only option. It’d be nice to see another major promoter emerge, and it’s hard to compete with the UFC when your promotion is out of business.

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