BloodyElbow.com Exclusive: UFC Fort Bragg "Fight for the Troops" Event Not Yet Approved by U.S. Army
According to military sources speaking exclusively to BloodyElbow.com, the Department of the Army has not yet approved the Ultimate Fighting Championship event titled, "Fight for the Troops" set to take place in Fort Bragg, NC on December 10th. It is not clear whether official command at Fort Bragg has approved the event either.
UFC President Dana White said on live national television during the broadcast of UFC Fight Night 15 that the event would take place at Fort Bragg and would send proceeds to the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund. The UFC has staged an event on a military base. On December 13th, 2006 the UFC held UFC Fight Night 7 at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego, California.
The extent to which the negotiations have taken place or if/whether there are any stumbling blocks is not yet known. However, it seems premature of the UFC to announce this event and the location without having finalized contractual plans to host the event on military grounds. The event page for "Fight for the Troops" on UFC.com does not list Fort Bragg or any other venue as hosting the event.
UPDATE: A Spike TV press release further states the event will be at Fort Bragg without the Department of the Army actually agreeing to the deal.
I'm not suggesting the event won't go off. It probably will, but it's very poor form to announce it when military officials are stating the deal is not done.
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Exclusive! This isn’t news worthy. You know for a fact they will get it approved. “Military sources speaking exclusively to” LOL. Come on now.
by MrNiceGuyMMA on Sep 24, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Having a bad day or something? At any rate, it probably has to do with UFC having assurances from people at the top without actually confirming everything with the people at Fort Bragg first. And that probably pisses the people at Fort Bragg off that they weren’t fully consulted, so they take a hard nosed stance. See it happen all the time. It would be very surprising, to say the least, for this event not to go off.
by LiuLang on Sep 24, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not having a bad day, but I’m also not going to tolerate unadulterated assholes on my site telling me what is and what isn’t scoops in poor form.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes... but banning him?
This is the Internet! His comments are perfectly normal for a blog… Who gets hurt with a little cynicism once in a while?
by cyph on Sep 24, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I’m not suggesting the event won’t go off. It probably will, but it’s very poor form to announce it when military officials are stating the deal is not done.”
The story is newsworthy, but you opinion isn’t. Putting them both in the same post doesn’t make this site all that much different than any other gossip blog. If you want it to be a news story don’t write it like an editorial and blow up others opinions of your topic.
MMANiceGuy does also have a point related directly to “The Story”. The way it’s written it could be some new recruits send you a text on the bus ride to Basic Training. On the other hand, even if your source was the Commander-in-Chief himself doesn’t necessarily mean that at some level someone gave the go ahead at some level. The abundance of Iraqi WMD does prove that the top brass can be wrong sometimes.
Luke, my exclusive source for this post is of the opinion is that this whole article was out of sorts and thus quite funny, but don’t take him to seriously cause he conversates in the third person and homemade words. From your track record Luke I’ll trust your sources of the facts over mine most any day, but your opinions and your grandiose language had my source chuckling. The ban hammer response certainly brought out the full out Guffaw!
This post purposely written in poor form.
by natyong on Sep 24, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be shocked...
if it didn’t come off exactly as it was announced. That being said, I’m more shocked that it was announced at all without being set in stone.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 24, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What Brent said. It seems rather unprofessional on the UFC’s part. (Imagine that, Dana White, unprofessional…)
by Chris Nelson on Sep 24, 2008 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying it was professional, but …
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 24, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, I got no quarrels with Dana White (he’s from Boston after all), just not a fan of his business practices at times
by Chris Nelson on Sep 24, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, he should model himself more like that upstanding Tom Atencio guy. I’m just throwing this out there. But, don’t you think that there’s a possibility that the UFC asked their military contacts in this venture if it was okay to announce it on national TV, even though the deal wasn’t fully completed? If they were sure the deal was going to get done, that doesn’t seem unreasonable.
by LiuLang on Sep 24, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call military command in DC and Fort Bragg and see how pleased they are if you don’t believe me. Ask to speak to anyone in public affairs.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did I say I didn’t believe you? I’m just saying that isn’t it POSSIBLE, that this is a miss communication? The military is like any other huge company/corporation, sometimes the left hand doesn’t talk to the right hand. I just doubt UFC announced this without talking to SOMEONE first. It could be this someone had no right saying anything. All I’m saying
by LiuLang on Sep 24, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Anderson Silva is going to retire. That turns out to be nothing as well.
by jamiecoy on Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His manager said he plans to retire at 35. And he’s 33. I’d say that’s something.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 24, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me see if I understand this
Other sites break exclusives about the most mindless shit card updates, but when I break that the military actually hasn’t agreed to the UFC’s publicly stated plans that’s nothing? And when I say military, I mean the Department of the Army – the highest level of organization. That’s nothing? Really?
Please.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your source has said this, no offical word from the Army folks. This story reminds me of the “bleeding vegas dry” story. Much like that story it has the “even though it will sell out” and “not suggesting the event won’t go off. It probably will”. It’s an effort to make a news item without there being an news. We have no idea who your source is and being that this is an MMA site I doubt there are many other stories here that have come from this same source that have proven true before.
by jamiecoy on Sep 24, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
… there are many other choices for your mma reading if this one bothers you so much.
by Kierkegaard on Sep 24, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wait for most to report Dave Meltzer’s news items of the day.
by jamiecoy on Sep 24, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MY SOURCE IS THE ARMY AND ARMY PERSONNEL DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE MATTER. Is that good enough?
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re an idiot. This source has nothing to do with any other story ever published on this site.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my point. For all we know it’s just some guy you know who works at that base who heard a rumor. There is no cred to the source. But like Fox News it already doesn’t matter. If if we find out next week that when Dana made the annoucement that it was all signed and ready to go the “fact” will be listed as one of Dana’s bad business practices.
by jamiecoy on Sep 24, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are insufferable
How dumb are you? You know what? Pretty dumb. To think – as a former member of the military myself – that I’m going to talk to some random donkey in the military as my source is beyond ludicrous. I keep trying to tell you: I went right to the direct chain of command on this one.
I urge you: call public affairs at Fort Bragg or in DC to confirm. They’ll be happy to do so.
I’m done with you. You’ve got some moronic axe to grind and I can’t figure out why. I would never have rolled with the story if I hadn’t crossed my t’s and dotted my i’s. It’s legit and if that’s not enough for you, I don’t care.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now now, no need to get personal
I’m a huge fan of this site and your journalism in particular, but you can’t be so thin-skinned about criticism and banning and insulting the audience is no way to build a community.
by thetakeover on Sep 24, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rarely ban folks, but it took a lot of work to get this information and to anyone with half a brain it clearly matters. I don’t need people reading this site who are a) too dumb to realize that and b) make insulting comments as a consequence.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is really surprising. If the deal wasn’t signed and done they why announce it so early? Especially when they’re not at a lack of shows in October to announce the event at? Seems like they jumped the shark on this one.
I have no doubt that the military will gladly host the show, why wouldn’t they… but to announce it before all the i’s were dotted and t’s crossed seems pretty unprofessional and silly considering they had lots of time and other events to hype the show up.
by pr0cs on Sep 24, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Dana has a bit of a complex where he wants to announce something “big” at every show he can…especially shows on Spike. So he figured “we’ll get it done” and went ahead with it. Which is just not that smart in my book.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 24, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet you just did the same thing in regards to Dana. You assume he assumed.
by jamiecoy on Sep 24, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I don’t think anyone who has been around this site for very long would think I’m a Dana Hater, in fact I am often cited as being too easy on the UFC and White. I was very clear that this was my thought not fact. You’re a pitbull with no radar man…biting any hand you see with no regard for its intention.
You’re acting like I said something as though it was fact. I simply said that I THINK that he want to announce stuff at every event.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 24, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What frustrating comments.
Why would people even argue over this?
It’s a news item, interesting to some, might not be to others, but it’s still a news item. If you dont find it interesting read one of the many other posts.
And yeah, this is slightly weird. I would have thought Zuffa had learned not to announce stuff before they had secured it.
by SamCupitt on Sep 24, 2008 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If there's ONE group in this entire world you don't want to piss off,
it’s the US Army. Actually, the Navy is probably first on that list, what with those aircraft carrier thingies..
Dana is running this thing so hard and so fast that problems like these are inevitable. I would guess Dana’s leash has already been shortened a bit on these things, so who knows if this is just a potentially ill-conceived maneuver, or a power struggle inside Zuffa. Probably the former, but with personalities like Dana’s, the latter can never be discounted without some consideration.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Sep 24, 2008 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/fallenheroes/press_room/item.php?id=55
The Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund website also has the same press release.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 24, 2008 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That press release makes it sound more and more like it was stated earlier that the left hand is not talking to the right at the Army.
by pr0cs on Sep 24, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good on the UFC for raising money for a new Walter Reed
The proceeds from the gate of one NFL game would probably build ten of these damn things (or at least make Walter Reed the PALACE it should be). Sure, Dana’s only doing it for publicity and to hype a less-than-stellar card, but if the road to hell is paved with good intentions, maybe the opposite can hold true.
I just thought a blog post lauding the UFC would go well with (another) story shitting on it. If this doesn’t come off, then that sucks, but I’m sure it won’t be for want of the UFC trying to make it happen, and if military brass shuts it down, I’d like to know why. If putting it out there to apply pressure for them to say ‘yes’ is ‘unprofessional’, so fucking be it.
by subo on Sep 24, 2008 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Dana’s only doing it for publicity and to hype a less-than-stellar card
and right there is what makes this a dangerous story
How Dana can be trying to hype a card they didn’t even have planned yet is beyond me
by jamiecoy on Sep 24, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just spoke with someone at the Fort Bragg Public Affairs office
and they said they they are waiting for approval form the Department of Army to hold this event.
by LiuLang on Sep 24, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I guess that means the brass at Bragg want it. Still waiting on HQ to give it the green light.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way
It’s a damn good scoop and I never had a problem with you reporting it as such. I’m just wondering what the cause of it is. You think it’s just a miss communication or something more severe that might affect the card going off?
by LiuLang on Sep 24, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t know what the cause is. I have no information on that end, so I can’t speculate.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
I’m not here to dump on the import of the story or your journalistic methodology, Luke – I just have a hypersensitive reaction to people I think dump on the UFC because they think they’re supposed to. You’re not one of ’em, are you?
by subo on Sep 24, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way. I’m as prone to error as anyone else, but I do my best to call them like I see ’em.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 24, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, 43 comments about this?
How bout we all that Luke is arrogant and kind of antagonistic, but that this news release isn’t very inflammatory?
by Michaelthebox on Sep 24, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
A lot of conflict in this comment thread….
by Tonley on Sep 24, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Must be the change of seasons.
People seem to be pissy all over the place today.
by mythbuster on Sep 24, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I find the tone of this thread truly bizarre. Man, Dana is such a dick, putting on an event called FIGHT FOR THE TROOPS. So what if he announced it prematurely? We’re here to discuss MMA, not military etiquette. It’s a noble cause and that should be given some regard, rather than calling Dana a poor business man. Even if he did bust his nut too early, isn’t this a great thing to be enthusiastic about??
by Blackout612 on Sep 24, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious...
You don’t announce a deal before the deal is done. That is a basic rule of business. Yes, it is a noble cause…but to simply say “because it was a noble cause you should forget all basic business rules” is ignorant. He could have easily announced it as “we’re trying to put together the final details on an event which would benefit…” rather than saying it was a done deal.
Sure…he caused the Great Depression…but damned if Herbert Hoover didn’t mean well…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 24, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're comparing this to the Great Depression?
Talk about ignorant..
by Blackout612 on Sep 24, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoover certainly contributed to the Great Depression, but to say that he caused it is a bit of an exaggeration.
by Richard Wade on Sep 24, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Great Depression? is that what happened when Rampage slammed Arona? Was it over when Arona slipped on the triangle! Was it over when the German’s bombed Pearl Harbor! No it just ushered in Pearl Harbor.
Seriously, I love how were all business geniuses. No one I know that does business only works according to the contracts they have in hand…well maybe Tom Attencio and that hasn’t worked out all that well for him yet. Okay, no one consistently successful I know only does business on sure things. If it’s a sure thing than someone already else took the chance on it and made the money.
By the way brentbookhouse what are your basic rules of business (from a curious business major)? I very geekily googled “basic rules or business” and I got mostly unrelated stuff to business rules. On the other hand there were a couple of rules that could apply to today’s MMA such as: (1) Build a product the public wants and (2) Buying an established enterprise may be more costly, but less risky, than starting a new one.
Just for you info of my full geekery I wasted my time looking at about the first 15 search returns.
by natyong on Sep 25, 2008 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone and their brother harpooned Monte Cox when it was revealed all M-1 Global had to keep Fedor around was nothing more than a letter saying that eventually they’d commit. They trotted him out and announced grandiose plans only to fall flat on their face.
I don’t want that to happen to the UFC. I want this event to go through. But when I learned they hadn’t even secured the rights to hold this event from the Department of the Army and had already announced it, my eyebrows raised. So did the eyebrows of some of the brass at Fort Bragg.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 25, 2008 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t a member or visitor here at BE when the M-1 Global melt down happen, but I was certainly a big fan at the time. I don’t remember a huge fluctuation in Monte Cox stock when it happened. I personally had a much greater respect of Monte after the fact. He saved a lot of people a lot of money in the end because they weren’t willing to make full investments needed to develop a successful MMA company. As a fan I was certainly unhappy about the failure, but I couldn’t blame in on Monte Cox. I don’t remember a lot of others really blaming Monte Cox then either. The thing about taking chances is that the potential for failure is essential to these decision. I couldn’t and can’t disrespect him for taking that chance.
I definitely think this is a newsworthy scoop. thank you for that by the way. All the discussion here related to the actual story certainly confirms our sentiment. I just learned that I can’t get by life pleasing everybody. If you want to succeed your going to have make promises and goals your not for sure that you can keep. I find the newsworthiness of the story in Dana MIGHT have burned some bridges in the Military.
I found a lot of comments Dana had towards Fedor and his camp newsworthy in that I believe they ultimately had a huge effect in the MMA landscape. Couture’s exit, formation of Affliction, prevalence HDnet Fights, just to name a few.
by natyong on Sep 25, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"harpooned Monte Cox"
I see what you did there.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 25, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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