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Is Violence the Backbone of the NFL? More Importantly, What's Wrong With Violence Anyway?

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The Washington Post is running a special feature titled, "How Much of the NFL's Appeal is Violence?" where they ask a panel of journalists, writers and commentators to weign in on the very issue raised in the aforementioned question. The responses mostly seem to admit there is a complicit acknowledgement that violence is part of the game and so long as that violence is "contained" (what that containment looks like is never fully define), then there shouldn't be any further question. This response exemplified that viewpoint quite nicely:

Roger Goodell, the current commissioner, was right to send a memo to players and coaches this week threatening severe penalties for anything that happens on the field that poses an injury risk to a player. The league was right to suspend Buccaneers cornerback Elbert Mack for a game for his helmet-to-helmet hit on Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan during an interception return in a game last weekend. The game should be made as safe as possible for players. But it never will be completely safe as long as it's about blocking and tackling. And that, whether the participants or fans are willing to admit it or not, is part of the reason why people find it so compelling to watch. There's no two-hand-touch football league out there pulling in $3.7 billion a year in national TV revenues, is there?

Quite right, although some find that both true and repulsive. In fact, they go so far as to accuse the NFL in cultivating violence and generally depravity as part of their revenue generating business model:

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Don't show me your words, show me your budget, and I'll tell you what you hold most dear. And as long as the NFL's propaganda wing, NFL Films, shows you every brutal takedown in super slo-mo, from nine different angles, and glorifies brutes like Chuck Bednarik, we'll know what this league is all about. (In such ways has Sammie White, a darn good receiver in his day, been reduced in history to caricature, the guy who got his helmet popped off by the Raiders' Jack Tatum in Super Bowl XII.)

The actuary tables for NFL players are horrifying. The men who play this game die much younger, on average, than most other groups of men. But out of sight, out of mind. Goodell knows that while the players are in full view, they have to be considered modern gladiators, impervious to normal levels of pain and fatigue.

Then there's gambling, but that's not today's topic. Suffice it to say, if the Roman Empire had had a morning line, we'd all still be wearing togas.

For anyone who has kept up with the image evolution and battle for legitimacy that MMA wages in the mainstream press, the reference to ancient Rome should sound very familiar and equally hackneyed. I'd describe it as intellectually lazy, but that seems more than obvious.

It's interesting to watch other contact or combat sports grapple with issues of violence in their respective sports. It's also noteworthy to see how the commentators or insiders of those sports answer the question of the role of violence in their games. What's notable is that violence, on it's best day, is viewed as a necessary evil or regrettable but marketable. I certainly don't pretend to speak for everyone when I say this, but what's wrong with violence?

I will openly admit this: I like violence. I find it awakens me from the routine process of my day. I find it thrilling. I find it addictive.

I fail to understand why others in the press or media simply cannot admit this. It is beyond disingenuous and political to suggest that what we are willing to tolerate any sport that has violence in spite of the violence in the sport. 

And the fact is, there's nothing wrong with liking violence. I have no evolutionary biological credentials, but suffice it say that all of the expectations of proper human development and responsible citizenry I exhibit. The notion that those who are attracted to violence are they themselves prone to violence (generally of the illegal variety) or are drawn to violence to satisfy some deeper psychological issue is nonsense. Fans may not acknowledge the allure of violence, but the allure is real. And the healthy lives carried out by ordinary sports fans is evidence of the grossly overblown alarm bells rung with those who view violence as reprehensible and destructive in all its forms.

To be sure, there are limits to violence. Constraints on violence, as hard as they can be to define in principle, are critical. Violence overwraught over time defies our sense of what's appropriate and necessary. The evolution of our sport towards further regulation is evidence of such transformation.

In fact, it is the constraint on violence that makes violence so acceptable and appealing: the dilution of extreme danger to digestible thrill is hard to ignore. And that combination of violence-protected-by-safety is the essence of many forms of entertainment. We love the anti-physics of rollercoasters, but we want to know they won't derail. We love the intoxication and buzz of alcohol, but we need the limits of biological consumption to fully appreciate's its application.

All are free to disagree or offer their own sentiments, but I would be curious to hear anyone a fan of MMA or the NFL say they don't actually enjoy violence. It is perfectly enjoyable, exciting and all too human. I am, as a fan of violence, no aberration, no island. I like violence and I'm betting you do, too.

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Interesting topic

And my take on why people seem to struggle with their own curiousity towards the depravity of violence in sports is the issue of controled violence in sport or real world violence. The line is anorexic-thin between violence that is run under the guidelines of a sport and deemed acceptable, and violence in the real world that reminds us all of our inner demons and basest fundamental urges. Some people, non-violence fans, do not like to be reminded of our violent human tendancy. I believe it to be more of a control issue than anything else. Some people cannot let loose or lose control of their emotions. The same rush and release that brings us to violent sport pushes them away from it. I could go on, but i fear I am not making sense anymore. Just my two cents on the matter. Thanks for the article.

by Nick Travaglini on Sep 21, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It all made perfect sense to me.

Good observations. Most people simply don’t want to acknowledge the reality of their own humanity, and the humanity of our entire species. We are simple animals, with (relatively) high-functioning brains who can observe their environment in more ways than other types of animals. But we are still animals.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 21, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its about choice

If the participants in any “violent” activity are there volutarily I don’t see a proplem with it. Random violence is definitely a cause for concern and with kids luring other kids to locations where they are beaten and humiliated the age old question of whether sanctioned violence has contributed to these occurences must be asked and examined. Adolecents and late teen individuals do not have the same capacity and rationale as adults and when they see sanctioned violence they often assume that this behavior is acceptable across the board. As usual it is up to parents to educate there children as to the limits and boundaries of any activity. I think self control is the real issue here and adults need to show it. I am always proud when a player or fighter knows when to stop without being told.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Sep 21, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with violence, relative to sports. Boxing, mma, football, hockey, basketball, rugby, soccer,whatever. people tend to use only examples that suit their arguments, but the fact is, almost every sport involves violence to some degree.

The argument is injury, imo. Now you can have an injury doing anything…oww, my index finger! Seriously, the infliction and degree of injury is where the argument is.

Boxing—Many deaths, serious brain trauma, serious eye injury and so on.
Football—Many deaths, concussions, mental problems brought on by those concussions, spinal injury, joint problems and so on.
Basketball—joint injuries, anti-inflammatory induced internal organ problems, and ask Rudy Tomjanovich if there are ever devastating fights in basketball.
Baseball—death by flying objects, I know that sounds funny, but many little leaguers are forced to wear heart guards. coaches and fans have been killed or more commonly injured by flying debris. Brawls happen often.

Now compare those examples to regulated mma. I would guess that the number of serious injuries is not in line with those sports, I’m saying probably much lower. You don;t have the repeated head trauma of boxing, the repeated violent collisions of football, and so on.

It is all a matter of perspective, imo, and anyone that singles out mma for violence, actually has little knowledge of the sport. Is it violent? of course. Can any of the aforementioned type of injuries happen in mma? Absolutely. But I would say they happen at a lesser rate than most of the “mainstream” sports.

Look at recreational sports. Skiing/boarding, skateboarding, cycling/bmx, rock climbing, etc. I again believe, that percentage wise, mma is relatively safe.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 21, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't even need the risk of injury to cause outrage over violence

Lobbyists who speak out against violence in music, movies and video games don’t need risk of injury as an excuse. It’s merely the depiction of violence that corrupts in their minds and any scientific facts proving otherwise are ignored.

by zeroword on Sep 21, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recently, here in the Denver area, there was a high school age girl, who had her high school age boyfriend over to her house one afternoon, while her mother was at work. At home with her, was her younger sister, who was around 9 or 10 if I remember correctly. By the time the mother arrived home from work, the younger sister was beaten to death by the girl and her boyfriend. They were charged and the typical outrage toward the mother was brought out by the public and in the media. So what happened? The girl and her boyfriend said they wanted to try out some moves they used in the Mortal Kombat video game and that they had no idea it would kill the little girl. The justice system, public and media actually accepted this disgusting, BS, flimsy excuse and let the girl and the boyfriend off relatively easy. imo, the real crime here, is the willingness to lay blame like this and not hold the killers to the fullest punishment. Of course this is what happens when the system has an agenda like blaming video games, music or movies for actions like this.

Do I wish young kids didn’t have access to extremely violent content? Sure, but unfortunately violence exists in our everyday lives, whether it be the hallways of a school or the evening news. Holding anyone but the person responsible, only gives them a way out, which is exactly what happened here, imo. people are wise to this argument and are using it as an excuse whenevr they get caught.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 21, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, I think this is a little off topic from the original story, but…

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 21, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify

Only one of the two has been sentenced so far, the female, and she got 18 years in prison or six years in a youth facility (underaged offender). The boyfriend, who is thought to have commited the murder, hasn’t been sentenced yet (afaik).

So while I agree that people have forever been looking for scapegoats (dungeons and dragons, rock music, pro wrestling, video games, etc etc etc etc) I don’t recall that in this case, or any, has the media, the public, or the justice system fallen for it.

And while I don’t think video games should be banned any more than I think rock music, or wrestling, should be – I do think there does come a time when you have to acknowledge that we have a very violent society and doing nothing won’t help.

by mythbuster on Sep 21, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work.

I did acknowledge that young kids shouldn’t have access to some of this stuff, however, if you are a teenager and not mentally challenged, using this excuse is freakin’ ridiculous. imo, and remember it’s just that, 6 years in a juvenile facility for a heinous act like this is very light. Damn, even if she served the prison term, that would be getting off easy. I think our societ is far to lenient, even on myself, from everything from traffic tickets on up. I know, if my punishments when I was younger, would have been a bit more harsh, I would have learned my lesson much quicker.

I don’t like the use of violence in games/tv/movies or explicit lyrics in music, to be used just for the sake of it, but sometimes it is relevant. I can’t decide what those times are, so i believe the artists/creators should take some responsibility to keep it to an acceptable level. Of course I also believe the parents need to take some responsibility as well and monitor their kids, not just sit them in front of a tv/computer and let them have at it. We do live in violent society and we can’t filter everything from our kids, but we can limit it and not let them be so desensitized.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 21, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

imo, and remember it’s just that, 6 years in a juvenile facility for a heinous act like this is very light. Damn, even if she served the prison term, that would be getting off easy.

Thats the justice system tho, not the video game excuse. 18 years is actually not far fetched. I knew two guys who killed someone during a robbery. One got 18-life, the other 21-life. But really now we’re getting into Punishment vs Rehabilitation which is way far beyond this discussion :)

In any case, I think we can agree that in addition to parents actually parenting (when possible), that there is a big difference between consenting adults playing a violent sport and hopefully showing respect and sportsmanship, and the random violence that gets blamed on these things.

by mythbuster on Sep 21, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right on.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 21, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"the fact is, almost every sport involves violence to some degree."

Curling?

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Sep 21, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haven’t you ever seen a curling melee?? You don’t want to take a broom across the thigh, that much I can tell you for sure!

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 21, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I often get to defend MMA from prejudice, since here in Sweden not many people know what the deal is. MMA is mainly understood as some form of ‘unsportsmanlike’ boxing where you’re “actually allowed to beat on downed opponents!”. The most common misconception, according to me, is that “MMA is about violence, period.” The same goes for boxing, although people aren’t generally as afraid of it since they know more about it.

Now, there seems to be a discrepancy in the use of the word. I, as it happens, always make the point that MMA isn’t more violent than any other sport, since ‘violence’ for me means malicious intent where the ultimate goal of ones actions is to inflict harm for harms sake. And that I enjoy MMA for the same reason I enjoy (real) football – the skill element.

A tackle on a football field can thus be just as violent as an elbow in a gnp attack, since it’s about what intentions are behind it that makes it ‘violence’ or not.

So I don’t feel that violence is a part of MMA. When people claim there are violent elements or that the foundation is violence I just repeat the point above. It’s simulated combat, not violence. Because that for me is the specific emotion that can make a guy beat another to death because he told him he shouldn’t urinate in public, or something. And that is always ugly, wether in a hockey rink, on the street or in a cage fight.

by ununkvadrium on Sep 21, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great insight.

Violence is a term that means different things to different people. Obviously, someone engaging another non-consenting party in a violent manner is appalling and disgusting. Violence within the realm of professional sport should be viewed quite differently, in my opinion. All competitors should be willing and informed , and thus should be allowed to participate without being disparaged. Likewise, fans should be allowed to enjoy these sports in the same way.

I totally agree that a significant number of people enjoy violence to some degree. If this weren’t the case, we wouldn’t have four Die Hard flicks. It’s what people demand. Demand isn’t generally defeated with with more regulation. MMA is much better off out in the open, where it can be scrutinized fairly, than buried underground. It’s fine that MMA and other “violent” sports aren’t enjoyed by all. It’s really okay for people to have different tastes. The important thing is that discussions on topics such as these be conducted in an educated and informed manner. This post – and subsequent comments – is a perfect example of how to do it right.

by Cannon Jacques on Sep 21, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All I know is Wipeout is the best show on TV.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 22, 2008 7:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

Have to wait til next season for more tho.

by mythbuster on Sep 22, 2008 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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