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Rashad Evans Addresses Race in MMA

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I'm largely done with the talking about issue again given the firestorm it caused, but since Evans was asked about his assessments of the prevalence and impact of race and racism in MMA I felt obligated to post about it.

Chad Dukes of 106.7 WJFK attended UFC 88 in Atlanta and in this interview with Evans asked if he believed racism or racial preference played a role in who MMA fans (it must be assumed - quite rightly - Dukes felt most fans were white) root for or support.

I must say I find Evans' answer very respectable. Without identifying specific occurrences but without denying its omnipresence, Evans simply remarked racial bias exists at virtually every angle of American society. However, the only real solution for success is to ignore it, work through it and persevere. It's the attitude of acknowledgment without acknowledgment.

If you weren't a fan before, that statement alone should do the trick. Listen to the whole interview here.

Chad Dukes (pictured at right above) is one half of the "Big O & Dukes" show on 106.7 WJFK in Washington, D.C. Their show airs weekdays from 10am to 3pm.

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  The majority of fans in America is young white males. I might be wrong but, that is what i see and come across from work, gym and walking around the local mall. The prodominence of MMA fighters is whilte males in the U.S. Now that MMA is slowly becoming mainstream you will start to see more ethnic backgorunds becoming envolved. America is a melting pot so its only a matter of time before MMA becomes diverse as the rest of society.
   That is why you had Dana trying to push Huerta (BTW I think is over-rated) to open a the market to attract hipsanics. Dana’s only motivation by doing this is over course the all mighty dollar. Which i find nothing wrong with.
   The reason people are upset or should I say white males are upset at Rashad is because he beat their once great Icon in brutal fashion.
   Just as Jackie Robinson in baseball and other minorities in other sports or at work they will endure the racism of white males. They will try to tear down any of their acheivements becuase of jealousy or whatever motive they have or plain igonrance through hate.
   White males are afraid of seeing African-Americans taking over “their” sport. Just as in Football, Baseball and Basketball. Look at Tiger Woods when he won the Masters racism was again envolved. Instead of celebrateing his victory we are talking race and fried chicken.
   lets put racism aside and in the end I say may the best fighter win.

BTW I dont even like Rashad as a fighter…War WANDY!!!

by SouthEast619 on Sep 18, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You = Racist.

by mythbuster on Sep 18, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on man, this is not the 50’s, do not generalize MMA fans or people in general based on the ignorent actions of people in the past. Your statements (misspellings and all) indicate you have some issues that maybe you need to work on. I am a major sports fan who loves Jackie Robinson, Tiger Woods & a ton of athletes who are all different ethnicities. We are all aware of what happened in the past, but that does not mean everyone still feels that way. You need to get past all of that and be your own person, not blaming everything on racists.

by dnevil001 on Sep 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You flame him and mock his misspelling, then drop this jewel on us all?!?

“ignorent”

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 18, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes Corky,

I mocked him for misspelling nearly every word in his ridiculous racist post. I misspelled one. Do you believe that all whites hate black people too?

by dnevil001 on Sep 18, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flame on...Flame on

For the record, I made no mention of my thoughts on racism in MMA. Perhaps you missed that while proofreading my flawless post?

What’s next? You’re going to drop a “Your momma” flame on me?

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 18, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No,

you are a flawless poster, congratulations flamer. What does drop a flame on me mean anyway? You are upset with me “flaming” him so it seems that you agree with him.

by dnevil001 on Sep 18, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen up, idiot!

I’m not upset with you calling him out one bit. It just doesn’t look good when you’re going off on someone for horrible spelling when you can’t spell either!

I think there’s a saying out there…“Pot calling a kettle…” how does that end again?!?

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 18, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going off on him? I made one comment about his spelling and I misspelled one word. If that is what you need to be able to come here and post so you think you will be clever, then more power to you. You seemed to get really upset that I called you a flamer, settle down buddy!

by dnevil001 on Sep 19, 2008 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well…

1. Different ethnicities have always been involved in MMA. But maybe I’m forgetting who started the UFC…
2. Comparing Jackie Robinson to Rashad Evans. What.
3. I’d love to see cited sources proving that white people universally are “afraid” of black athletes who are good.
4. I’d also love to see sources where fried chicken is the main topic of a Tiger Woods article.
And lastly, what’s with the formatting? Is this copied from something else that has tabs?

by Simco on Sep 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seriously don’t know about the Tiger Woods fried chicken & collard greens fiasco?

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 18, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the link

[url=http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=12464]Fuzzy Zoeller

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 18, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 18, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason I am having issues posting the link.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 18, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more try - Link on Tiger Woods fried chicken fiasco.....

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=12464

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 18, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Chad Dukes = Samwise Gangee and/or Rudy

by mythbuster on Sep 18, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is this? Only about blacks then? Because fans love Wanderlei, Shogun, Gomi, CroCop, ect. Fans also love Rampage, Crazy Horse ect and they’re black. There are just more Americans and whites in the sport. Could it be because the UFC is based in the US? And alot of camps are in middle America? I bet I can name over 50 non-caucasians that fans love or loved. I hate when people cry the race card just because the fans don’t like him.

by Tommy7 on Sep 18, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think in all this search to figure out why Rashad is getting so much grief over his victory over Liddell, people have forgotten the obvious answer.

Rashad has been perceived as a blanket. People hate blankets, even if they stop acting like blankets.

Koscheck still gets a ton of hate, and he’s been exciting for about a year now.

by Michaelthebox on Sep 18, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great point. It’s hard to unmake that first impression.

by Richard Wade on Sep 18, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree completely with Rashads statement, I think the mma world is a pretty accepting one, at least in my region. There are always exceptions of course.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Sep 18, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate Rashad because he beat Chuck?

Come on! I am white, love MMA, love Chuck and I could care less about Rashad & really do not even think about him or his color. What I do think is that Chuck is done, but if he faced “Suga” in his prime that fight would have been over in the first round. Just the color of his skin does not make the majority of MMA fans not like him. I think, just like with a lot of fighters, people have their favorites & those that they hate. I like Chuck & Rampage and their ethnicity does not concern me one bit, as it does not for most MMA fans I would suspect. Lets not make this a racism in America forum.

by dnevil001 on Sep 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Psst..Rashad..fans hate you because you do just enough to win, your highlight reel KO of Chuck was an anomoly. Ok?

by lbk on Sep 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

He could be the palest “whitey” in all of MMA and fans would still dislike him.

by dnevil001 on Sep 18, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pfffft!!

Fans never hate white fighters. Just ask Tim Sylvia.

by mythbuster on Sep 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

That poor bastard might be the most hated fighter in the sport.

by Richard Wade on Sep 18, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s been my experience that white people love to see a black male/female that can dominate in any sport. I think that is why Kimbo is so famous right now, he is not famous b/c all the black people in our country are his adoring fans. Black people are not only the minority in this country (around 10% of the population) but in the realm of the mma fans.

White people in general love to be entertained by Black people who excel in what they do.

Just for the record I am not racist at all, I am a bi-racial American, born & raised in Louisiana.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 18, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

your comment comes across a bit strange.

 Particularly this line “White people in general love to be entertained by Black people who excel in what they do”

You make it seem so racist. Love to be entertained? Yes. By anyone that is talented. I don’t tend to discriminate by skin color when it comes to entertainment. My standard tends to be: Is that entertaining? No? ok change the channel. Etc..

I hope that’s the way the majority of people think no matter their skin color.

by lbk on Sep 18, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So tell me why are so many white people excited over Kimbo Slice?

Why were so many white people keeping their eyes fixed on Tiger Woods? Why is it that the majority of Oprah’s fans are white women?

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Sep 18, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fans like kimbo because his background is interesting and he’s generated a fanbase from his youtube vids. Plus he’s huge and looks sorta crazy and people like that. Plus he seems from his interviews that he’s a nice guy.

However there are plenty of white folks that think he sucks and that he’s a hyped up tomato can.

by monkeyfightclub on Sep 18, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because the majority of people in the US are white? If you throw racial bias out the window, the majority of fans of any athlete or personality in the US will be white.

by Michaelthebox on Sep 18, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your definition of racism is too narrow. It’s, clearly, entirely possible that white people find interest in Kimbo, Oprah and Tiger for racist reasons. Racism isn’t just about “hating” – it’s about every attatching of value in anyway related to “race”. Like saying: Blacks are so much more gifted rhythmically than whites. <—— racist statement.

The comment you responded to is actually dead on.

by ununkvadrium on Sep 18, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW. I hear people say, here and elsewhere, that nationalism is a completely different thing than racism, and absolutely OK. Don’t kid yourselves. Nationalism attaches value based on fictive qualities the same as racism does. As a matter of fact, it’s the conceptual breeding ground for racism.

by ununkvadrium on Sep 18, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think nationalism is bad,

then you don’t understand basic human interaction.

Racism is only bad because we all live together (meaning peoples of varying genetic/ethnic background) in most countries, and should consider ourselves one group (nationally) and disregard the less important differences (racism) in order to unify and work together for our common good. If races were segregated along national borders, instead of intermingled like in the USA, it would be nationalism, and therefore acceptable. I’m sorry, there is simply no argument which can be made that will convince me that pride in your country and the supported accomplishments of your countrymen is a bad thing. None.

Next you’ll be telling us all that sexism is bad, because you shouldn’t label people based on their physiology. I mean, it’s not like a 6’3" 200lb man is more qualified for a job like, oh, construction than a 5’2" 105lb woman. It’s a total straw man, and a waste of time.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 18, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I understand it all right. I just don’t think it’s good simply because it’s “the way it’s always been done”. That type of argument is bound for some unpleasant conclusions.

And you’re actually saying that it’s ok to scream obscenities at a black dude from Brazil, just not any black man from the US. Very nice…

Sexism is probably even more a volatile subject than racism. I’m not very manly, even by semi-traditional standards, but I have been doing my fair share of construction work. Perhaps every woman isn’t best suited for that type of job for the same reasons I’m not, but that would be because of a lack of physical power, not the lack of a penis.

by ununkvadrium on Sep 19, 2008 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you completely ignore my points.

This is why this subject is so terrible for blogs :(

I am not going to go point-by-point in an effort to refute your mis-characterizations, but I will say categorically that yelling obscenities at a black man from Brazil is acceptable as long as it fits the following criteria:

A) All people in Brazil are black
B) Your group has a worthy beef with Brazilians (they use corn for ethanol, so the cost of my KFC meal went up! DAMN THEM!!)
C) Said obscenities are not racially based, since this would completely miss the point.

As for sexism, I guess I’ll engage (against my better judgment, since doing so almost certainly prolongs this conversation in a counter-productive direction) on that one. The argument you present is based on exceptions, rather than rules. We all know there are small/weak men who work construction (I’m not calling you feminine, for the record. I’d be more direct, if that were the case, which this clearly isn’t). We also know there are manly women who work construction. But the vast majority of women are ill-suited to most of the tasks required of a productive construction worker. Yes, yes, yes there are tasks which don’t require Brock Lesnar. We’re not going to focus on the exceptions, we’re going to stick to the rule, and the rule says that without a minimum of the average male physique at their disposal, construction workers will not be able to compete, as a group, with those who do possess this minimum physique. Thus, the generalization is useful.

I don’t get why people get so incensed at these little bits of logic. It really baffles me. I understand that people want to be unique, and allowed to pursue their individual dreams as they wish, but I don’t get the absolutely vitriolic tone of their ‘defensive’ rants. This is a valid topic to discuss. Treat it with respect, not snark.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 19, 2008 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok. I get your point on the nationalism issue now. You still acknowledge differences between individuals based on factors like race though, namely ones one has no power over, and in this case it’s place of birth.

It’s the same mechanisms at work in racism, nationalism as well as in sexism. That’s what I’m saying.

My main point is not that there aren’t differences between men and women. Rather it is that the attatchment of value to these facts is fundamentally arbitrary. That is how gender is constructed, something completely different than sex.

by ununkvadrium on Sep 19, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, btw, on closer reading – what?

I’m “incensed”? No, my friend, that was unfair… You also reacted with instant fire. And continued to do so, I might say. How am I not treating the topic with respect, as opposed to you? I am very emotional about these issues, yes, but you seem to be every bit as emotional as I am. So don’t give me the “I’m baffled” routine.

Now this is treating you with respect. Speaking straight rather than using rhetorical figures to make you look out of control, as you did to me. Well look at that, I just did. Feels worse, doesn’t it?

by ununkvadrium on Sep 19, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again, you take an opportunity to attack me

when I did nothing of the like. I made a generalization of people who get up in arms over this issue, and you decided that I was directing it to you. Your call, but I’ll say again: If I were saying it to you, I’d be more direct. For example, if I wanted to say “Your posts reek of vomit and your words are crafted in the same method as bile,” I would have typed and posted “Your posts reek of vomit and your words are crafted in the same method as bile.” I did not do so.

And I appreciate the 9th grade lesson on gender identification. It’s actually a fairly interesting point the first time a person learns it, so I guess that lends to the overall topic of bias for many people on this blog, as I assume at least some of them are unfamiliar with the notion of gender vs. sex. But my point still stands and you’ve said nothing directed towards my point. I’ve addressed some of yours directly, and you’ve decided not to reciprocate.

It’s ok, I don’t get upset about it. I never do get upset when engaging in an intellectual debate, which is clearly what this is supposed to be, not an emotional outlet for people to bring their feelings to the surface.

And if you think I was somehow unfair in my previous posts, then I really don’t know what to say. I’m tempted to apologize, but I’m sure that you’d take that to mean something I don’t intend, so I won’t.

As for feeling worse? Not at all. I don’t really feel enlightened, or that anything valuable has been brought into the conversation, so I guess I’ll end my own participation in this ST at this time.

I always appreciate it when people do their best to keep a level head about issues like this, and for what it’s worth, I think you’ve probably given it everything you’ve got. I’m not condescending (again, I’d be more direct if that were the case) you here, I’m honestly saying that I appreciate anyone and everyone who engages intellectually on this and other subjects, rather than letting their own subjective opinions and feelings get in the way of furthering knowledge for themselves and those around them.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for clarifying your honest intentions. That really means alot to me. I’m also glad that you didn’t take to hardly on my emotional response, at least not to the point that it had any impact on your intellectual honesty. Thanks.

I also want to apologize for trying to educate you when you already have been educated in the diffrences between gender and sex. My bad for thinking that everyone who has would realize that gender is what’s relevant to matters of sexist discrimination. But, this you already know.

No! You don’t have to apologize. Really! It’s me who should. And I’ll do it again. I’m sorry.

And, lastly, I want to thank you for bearing with me even if I haven’t been properly enlightening throughout this debate. Your effort put in on trying to enlighten me has not gone unnoticed, though. Again, it must be me, because I don’t really feel enlightened either. But, this is how it goes sometimes…

by ununkvadrium on Sep 20, 2008 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you really trying to say that white fans only watch Tiger Woods because he is Black? Do you not think that any athlete who is as dominant as Woods would be followed by any true sports fan? Kimbo is interesting because a lot of people have seen him destroying people in those backyard brawls on Youtube. If he was White and doing the same thing people would have the same level of interest.

by dnevil001 on Sep 19, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t we all just get along.

I really think the reason why Liddell was so loved and Evans so booed was because of their history. Liddell rarely took his opponents to decision and when he did it was often an epic fight (Silva). Evans was known for decisions and his last few bouts were duds for the most part.

And for people booing the “stun gun”, there are always fan favorites, Brown going into the fight had a huge following due to TUF and the fight was close enough that it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary to feel that Brown won (esp if you were biased towards him in the first place). Couple that with the fact that Kim couldn’t relay his thoughts on the fight well (via translator) and you have a recipe for booing. I think a lot of it comes from education about what a fighter goes through and what is considered a good exciting fight. It’s gotten a lot better in my opinion and with time we’ll see more informed/knowledgeable fans.

by pr0cs on Sep 18, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree,

people like Chuck because of his history in the sport, not a dang thing to do with race. People booed Evans because of his history & because he beat a fan favorite, this type of thing happens in every sport. When an opposing teams player hits a home run in your ballpark you do not cheer him, you boo. As for me, I was only pissed at Chuck as I think in his prime he would have ended that fight in the first round. I know walking away is hard to do, but it is just as hard for fans to watch their heroes laying on the canvas because they do not have the speed to catch guys any longer.

by dnevil001 on Sep 18, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure what I think about the booing of Rashad after he beat Chuck. Sure I bet there were some rednecks who wanted to see the white guy win. But like many have said before, Chuck is/was a fan favorite, and they wanted to see him KO Rashad.

Plus, lets be honest here, people at UFC shows love to boo. I never understood that.
Hell, people boo at all kinds of sporting events.

by monkeyfightclub on Sep 18, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ever been the Philadelphia?

I head it somewhere on TV, and it’s so true: They’d boo Jesus Christ for carrying the cross up the hill.

Never quite understood the need to be negative at a time like that.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 18, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s funny. Philadelphia was exactly what I was thinking of when I was talking about fans booing at sporting events.

Reminds me of what a TV or radio announcer said a while back during a Philadelphia Eagles game, something along the lines of:

“They’re not booing the play of the Eagles, they’re booing because they live in Philadelphia.”

But I digress.

"No one makes me bleed my own blood."

by monkeyfightclub! on Sep 19, 2008 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See what dumb shit gets you? More dumb shit. To give any creed to what Rashad said is just fu@king stupid. The only racist comment I’ve heard has come from Rashad’s mouth. Dumb begets dumb.

by Tommy7 on Sep 18, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you mean “credence” not “creed”.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 18, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right, I did. You know I don’t sit here and double check every little thing I write. Considering the 8’th grade was as far as I got in school, I do ok. Yet it makes sense that it’s you that corrects me.

by Tommy7 on Sep 18, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean by that? You like to start alot of shit with me. If you have a personal problem with me, let me know.

by Tommy7 on Sep 18, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t have a problem with you. I just don’t know why you’re oblivious when you CONSTANTLY make derogatory statements on this site that other people don’t respond positively to.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 18, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For example? Seems you and I are the only ones that have a beef. There are many writers on BE. Which ones, besides yourself, have I offended? I can go back and find the post where this started between us. Unless you’ve changed it of course. If I don’t agree with something you wrote, sorry. I know you consider yourself the end all be all of blog. Admittable you write better then I do. Grammer, punctuation and all that stuff. That doesn’t mean everything you write is law. It is your site though, so whatever. You can have the last word and whatever else you want.
I do believe that Rashad’s problems are his own. He is basically calling all white UFC fans racist. I for one am offended at that comment. For you to agree, is calling yourself a racist. I can write pages of reason why demographics show more of a slant in fans then race ever will. But I don’t care enough to respond that much about Rashads whining. It’s not his color keeping fans from liking him, period.
Your Mmmm hmmm was inflammatory and seemed to call me a liar. Like I’d waste my time to lie to you. You put a tremendous amount of worth in yourself huh?

by Tommy7 on Sep 18, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity, why do you continue to read and comment here?

by Richard Wade on Sep 18, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the writers and the bloggers are the best on the net. My only problem is Luke and his problem with me and my different opinions.

by Tommy7 on Sep 18, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look

Your opinions are fine. I don’t have a problem with them. I have a problem with your disparaging remarks and rudely dismissive attitude. Do you realize that running a site on a day to day basis forces your opinion into the open and therefore the counter opinion into the open as well? People disagree with me all the time. That’s how it goes and I’m fine with the process. All I ask is that they exercise a basic level of courtesy.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 18, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not going to throw anyone under the bus by name, but do you realize I’ve actually gotten emails from people asking me to ban you? I’m the one who resisted because I think you’re a valuable member of the community. If you’d tone down the rhetoric, there’d be no beef.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 18, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In what case did I say something for someone to email you? I know of only one person on this site that we truly dislike each other. Him and I have never spoken on this site though. Dude I don’t care enough. It’s your site so whatever. You won’t need to ban me.

by Tommy7 on Sep 18, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't take it personal

Luke doesn’t like anyone :)

by mythbuster on Sep 19, 2008 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luke has disagreements with people,

and these disagreements become heated, sometimes this is started by Luke and sometimes it’s started by whoever he’s disagreeing with. After awhile it becomes pretty weak hearing the same, boring vomit erupt from a new mouth (I’m using hyperbole here, in case you didn’t catch it) so the natural defense mechanism is to disengage. The easiest way to do that is make snippy remarks. We ALL do it. Luke does it less, as a percentage of his posts, than most of us do, but it ends up in the spotlight because of his position.

That, and some people simply MUST call out blog-writers. It’s like a sport or something.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 19, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I know is...

That I’m not a racist, that none of my white friends or co-workers are racist, and that the actual instances of racism I’ve witness myself are very few and far between. Sure, racism exists (in all cultures by the way, not just European and European-American) but either I live in some racism-free bubble, or racism isn’t nearly as prevalent as certain people make it out to be.

Not to engage in psychobabble, but I’m honestly suspicious of white people who seem to think all other white people are racists… projecting too much, maybe?

by MonsterTruck on Sep 19, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also...

Half of the current UFC champions are people of color (BJ, Anderson, Big Nog.) But yeah, the UFC audience (largely young white males) are all racist. I guess I’m extremely lucky for living in some sort of racism-free zone, because I just don’t see it in my personal, work, and social life.

Also, on a positive note, I’m seeing more and more new and exciting fighters emerge and I have no idea what “race” they are, nor do I care. Maybe the majority of MMA fans of do, but again, luckily for me, I’ve never met any of them.

by MonsterTruck on Sep 19, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I guess that settles it then, doesn’t it?

by Luke Thomas on Sep 19, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Setlles what?

by MonsterTruck on Sep 19, 2008 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I find it amusing how upset some white people get at other white people for acknowledging racism in our (U.S) society. I know, I know… You guys don’t see in color, and none of the people you know are racists…. But in the same manner in which you get upset at the insinuation that “all white fans are racist” (which I personally haven’t heard Rashad or Luke say), it’s not as if you can speak for all white people and say they aren’t racist. Racial undertones are prevalent in almost all facets of society, from obviously bias media, to sports that certain cultures historically excel at. I know a lot of white folks who don’t understand why the subject is so sensitive, and i also know that there are claims of reverse racism everytime this subject comes up… In the broad scheme of things racism is still very much alive, even if its not quite as blatant as a few decades past.

As a professional athlete I’m sure Rashad has dealt with some prejudies from atleast a few people including fans… ffor him to acknowledge it the way he did in this interview was a pretty cool way of dealing with it, imo,.

by Loot on Sep 19, 2008 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I’m not upset about it, and I’m definitely not speaking for all white people. Again, maybe racism is very much alive and well in contemporary American society, so I guess I should consider myself very fortunate that I don’t observe or encounter it nearly enough to make that claim myself.

And if you (the rhetorical/collective you) witness it regularly enough to assert that it’s a relevant bain on American society, please let me know where you live so I can never, ever move there.

by MonsterTruck on Sep 19, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Color me cynical...

but I find it very hard to believe that a guy named MonsterTruck has never witnessed, or heard, anything racist in his life. I’m not saying you’re lying, I’m just saying you’re probably lying.

And on that note, I don’t care.

by mythbuster on Sep 19, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve definitely witnessed racism, and I never claimed that I hadn’t.

by MonsterTruck on Sep 19, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is not that we (white people) do not believe that racism exists, the point is that every time a black athlete is disliked by fans it is not always about the color of that persons skin. Sometimes, the personality or behavior of that person is the reason why. I know that racism exists, but I believe it is unfair to use that as a crutch for the reason why a particular person is not beloved by all white fans.

by dnevil001 on Sep 19, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you guys are calling into question Rashad’s own experiences. To tell him he isn’t disliked because of his color, when you don’t know what he experiences on a daily basis, in his professional or personal life is unfair. You can’t make assumptions about how he is treated, nor can you assume that all of the people that dislike him are not racist. I’ve experienced racism on numerous levels in my average life, so on a larger stage, imo, it’s safe to presume that he may have as well. His opinion on this issue has probably been shaped by personal experience.

by Loot on Sep 19, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s also worth noting that unless someone actually tells you they don’t like you because of your color (or uses language that obviously suggests the same), you’re just assuming. If I were to apply for a job and get turned down, I could claim it was because I’m Irish or Polish or Catholic or whatever, but that doesn’t make it so.

by Richard Wade on Sep 19, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great, often overlooked point.

It’s easy to project reason onto others, but actually discovering their true motive is much different than simply ass-you-me-ing their intent.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 19, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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