Snapshot of the Day: Holli Griggs' Cadillac Escalade Courtesy Rampage Jackson
by Nick Thomas on Aug 8, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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Huntington Beach resident Holli Griggs' Cadillac Escalade was damaged by Quinton "Rampage" Jackson during the fighter's tear through local streets last month:
Tests due back in a week or two will hopefully pinpoint the cause. "Right now we're in a wait-and-see mode," Darren Aitken, attorney for Griggs said.
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That is such a non-event. Cars are designed to crumple like that at the slightest impact. This would lead me to believe the miscarriage is from something other than the vehicle impact. Pretty bad form to speculate on something so serious so I’ll shut up.
If you had a monster truck
Side swipping you and you were pregnant, I doubt you’d see this as a non-issue.
Hey retard – why don’t use find a willing participant, get married, get pregnant, and then experience a miscarriage. After this let me know why toll it takes on your wife and relationship. Then consider how you would react if days before the miscarriage, some idiot driving a monster truck with his picture on the side of it sideswipes your pregnant wife while running from the police. My guess is that you would be a little upset but I’m sure that would all be put to rest once you found out that it was a former UFC champion who cracks funny jokes. Yesh! Thank goodness that’s all cleared up. It would have been much worse had it been some run of the mill citizen recklessly driving a monster truck. And also, thank goodness he’s not crazy and was only temporarily crazy because he was engaging in some religious ritual in which he fasts and does not sleep for a few days. I guess you’re right. Nothing to see here. Glad to hear Rampage is getting back in there soon.
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I work in insurance
Cars are designed to buckle in like that to spread the impact across the car away from the driver. Just judging by this one picture, the damage would have to be much more severe to affect the driver.
Actually
It’s well-documented that stress from the mother without physical damage can affect the health of the fetus.
Hey I’m just going by what I have learned by 6 years in the industry with claims on impacts. Anything else, I have no opinion on.
Also Luke, fetuses generally don’t wait around for a while before they decide to miscarry. Having been through a couple, I’ve read a bit about it. There’s generally some sort of cause and effect and age, how many miscarriages you’ve had before and a million other things can be contributing factors. If she had been in the accident, went straight to the hospital and miscarried, we’d be having a different talk.
I read that she was checked out and cleared afterwords. If there were worries, I’m sure she would have been ordered to bed rest. The whole incident could have been a lot worse than it was and I’m glad Rampage is seemingly better. I’m sure he has learned his lesson and will be paying for his mistake legally and financially. At any rate, let’s stop being interwebz expertz and wait for all the facts and let the legal and civil system work it out!
Fair enough
But a traumatic event is in the eye of beholder. If she experienced clinical trauma and had extended periods of high distress, then there could very well be a causal link.
Either way, my point simply is that this automatic jump to “what a whore. the damage isn’t that bad” is neither medically nor morally sound.
And the larger point is that Rampage goes from hitting three cars LITERALLY delirious evading arrest and gets thrown in the poke with officers who arrest him with guns drawn…TO….being jovial and saying “my bad”? Where are Rampage’s lawyers? What on earth is he doing making any statement? Even if there’s ZERO causal relationship to this woman’s injury, to absolve Rampage of any blame for endangering himself or others is absurd. Somebody could really have gotten hurt. More importantly, this is the SECOND time he’s had a delirious episode from exhaustion and fasting. Perhaps he should exercise a little more responsibility in his personal life as to not put himself in these situations.
I think Quinton is being represented by Zuffa’s lawyers. If you notice he is not saying anything about the miscarriage, Dana is saying stupid stuff but Quinton has made it clear he can’t say anything.
I agree in general with everything you’re saying. Rampage is definitely to blame for going on these fucking stupid fasts that caused this. His decisions that made him delirious were reckless, but people going around and acting like he’s an intentional baby killer or something are pressing this way too far.
A year or so ago, I got in a car accident when I did something reckless. I was hungry and decided to take a bite of the sandwich i had on the way home, didnt see the person brake in front of me, and hit her from behind with a small amount of force because my brakes didn’t completely stop me in time. She was completely fine, and we paid to fix the car, but I was thinking last night, if that woman had been pregnant, I could have caused a miscarriage. Thankfully it was not the case, but if it had would I be a significantly worse person than I am today. I don’t think so, and I think people are going way too far in acting like Rampage committed the worst sin ever.
“I read that she was checked out and cleared afterwords.”.......feel free to provide a source on that….the stuff i have read indicates the opposite…
http://dailypilot.com/articles/2008/08/01/topstory/dpt-jacksonfolo080208.txt
Griggs was unavailable for comment Friday. Her fiance, Bill Krebs, said doctors were immediately concerned when they noticed a significant loss of fluid in Griggs’ womb after the accident. Days before the crash, the couple had visited the doctor for an ultrasound, and Griggs was told she "had enough fluid for three babies," Krebs said. She was pregnant with a boy.
Griggs was sent to Hoag Memorial Hospital Presbyterian after the accident, CHP officials said. Krebs said he and Griggs were then sent to pregnancy specialists at Kaiser Permanente Hospital in Anaheim, where doctors noticed the problem.
Mike Goldberg on robnashville:
"His analysis is so analytical"
by robnashville on Aug 9, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I work in collision repair,
and as you should know, you have a quarter, liftgate, bumper, mirror and two doors that are going to need to be replaced. As well as a quarter glass and probably a good amount of frame time. While I agree with you on the issue of the car being desinged for impact to be spread among the car, look at that front door, the entire door is buckled over the intrusion beam. Now I know technicians and insurance reps never see eye to eye, but you can’t deny that was a large impact. I hope the best for Rampage and I know everyone makes mistakes, but he might get it stuck to him on this one.
Given the fact that it was two weeks after the incident…and she hadn’t had any reported problems during that two week span…and the way miscarriages naturally occur more often with women her age…I doubt they have much there…however, he will pay dearly with a civil suit.
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They still have to prove with a preponderance of the evidence. In my mind, it’s really difficult to prove that there was a causal link between the accident and miscarriage. There’s hardly any evidence linking the accident with the miscarriage two weeks later, and plenty of evidence to prove otherwise.
“and she hadn’t had any reported problems during that two week span”
that’s not true…..if you are gonna make a statement like that you need the facts to back it up…..from the initial story reporting her miscarriage
http://dailypilot.com/articles/2008/08/01/topstory/dpt-jacksonfolo080208.txt
Griggs was unavailable for comment Friday. Her fiance, Bill Krebs, said doctors were immediately concerned when they noticed a significant loss of fluid in Griggs’ womb after the accident. Days before the crash, the couple had visited the doctor for an ultrasound, and Griggs was told she "had enough fluid for three babies," Krebs said. She was pregnant with a boy.
Griggs was sent to Hoag Memorial Hospital Presbyterian after the accident, CHP officials said. Krebs said he and Griggs were then sent to pregnancy specialists at Kaiser Permanente Hospital in Anaheim, where doctors noticed the problem.
Mike Goldberg on robnashville:
"His analysis is so analytical"
by robnashville on Aug 9, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, to be fair though that is a report significantly after the accident with a timeline being supplied by the husband.
The thing that makes me skeptical is that it looks like the DA’s are not buying it. They haven’t changed the hit and run to a felony charge, and they seemed to discount her incident and have said no injuries.
by Michael Rome on Aug 9, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
much like everyone else on this thread i know fuck all about miscarriage’s and have the good sense to say nothing…..I wish dana white had the good sense, class, common sense to just say ” no fucking comment” rather than babbling shit like this:
"That one is out there like, ‘He hit her and she lost her baby,’ " White said. "It was a week later. He knocked her mirror off her car. Rampage said, and he’ll tell you when you talk to him, ‘I care about everybody. I care about all life. I would never hurt anybody.’
Mike Goldberg on robnashville:
"His analysis is so analytical"
Fella’s, I have worked plenty of minor-impact collisions. This does not not meet the parameters of the same. If you hired VMAR to do an impact analysis on the accident, it had plenty of velocity to cause at very minimum, a soft tissue injury. Also, if the bags deployed (impact on the rear bumper), it would most definitely cause trama.
Proving preponderance of the evidence is less than “beyond a reasonable doubt”, and less than “clear and concise”.
Regardless IF it actually caused the miscarriage, it won’t be hard to atleast make a link. We wouldn’t be discussing the issue if there wasn’t the possibility.
Take the picture above, blow it up 10 times, and put it in front of 12, liberal jurors, and then tell them that the vehicle is built to collapse. I seriously doubt a Cali jury is going to buy that. Especially against the portrait the plaintiff atty is going to paint about “Rampage” Jackson.
Keep liberals out of this. I’ve been a juror before, and the defense will bring various different scenarios that could possibly cause the miscarriage. Then they will bring out contradicting evidence and then witnesses to paint the plaintiff as a liar or some shit. Then they will bring out experts to dispute the plaintiffs testimony and her evidence.
The conservative jurors may be more sympathetic to the pregnant woman (pro life and all). The liberal jurors will see that there’s plenty of doubt and find that the evidence is inconclusive and dismiss the case.
Oh yeah, vote Democrat!
The stories of sympathetic jurors giving out huge awards is far overstated. The facts about average recoveries and denials are out there, the idea that juries are so dumb and sympathetic and give money away easily is mythology.
I’d be shocked if there was no link at all. I also know it’s possible there isn’t one, and Quinton’s legal team can surely produce doctors and whatnot to claim there is no link. This will settle out of court.
by Michael Rome on Aug 8, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
*abstaining from a political discussion. I was simply making a comment on a stereotypical California Jury. I’m not making a political statement of any kind. I appreciate differing opinions on how our great country is managed, which is why our votes are counted equally, Cyph.
Dude, you used the word liberal. The only time that’s used to describe a person is when someone has a political soapbox.
We can bicker all day, but a court date and jurors will never be seen. I can assure you, through mediation, that the “defense” will be reminded of the risk constantly. I’ve been in several, similar mediations, and it is never good…. for either party.
Verdicts are still handed out every single day. Check the drudge report. My brother is a defense lawyer for BNSF railroad. They throw out monster cash all the time. I’m not saying she’s going to get a ridiculous amount of money, but Quinton will feel it.
I have 6 “bad-faith” suits pending from Rita in 05. All 6 of them will settle for a wad of cash, and it will never make the paper. I certainly wish I would know how much each settles for, as well as how much this case does.
He’ll feel it, I definitely agree with you there, but he’ll be okay. His contract is the kind that allows him to make quite a bit of money in PPV bonus for each fight, he probably will make upwards of a million dollars for the fight with Forrest. He owns homes in Big Bear and Irvine…he has assets, I think he will emerge from this okay as long as he never does anything this stupid again.
by Michael Rome on Aug 8, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what’s really going on with Rampage? Many years ago, while i was training excessively and taking all kinds of “supplements”, I went completely bonkers. I almost lost my job. I hear Rampage had to cut a whole lot of weight very quickly for his fight with Griffin. Add that to the stress of losing a big fight and some serious shots to the head…I really believe he could have been temporarily deranged. I’ve BEEN THERE. Don’t just write him off as an a-hole. Nothing he did makes any sense. Think about it. Would anyone in his right mind toss away such a promising career—a goldmine? From my own experience, I know that improper training can seriously f**k up your brain chemistry. I didn’t even know there was anything wrong with me until my boss asked for my keys. I’m praying for Rampage.
The height of Rampage’s truck causes alot of extra damage without extra speed being needed. Plus my wife went through a miscarriage about a year ago. There are many many things to cause them. All the way down to no reason at all. Oddly enough my wife had one 2-3 weeks after an accident she was in. Yet no connection could be made and she as well was cleared from the hospital after the accident. Stuff happens, it sucks but to pin point Rampage as the sure culprit seems a little ahead of itself.
all BS aside
If we were all sitting at a stop light minding our own business then your entire car gets rocked and swayed by a set of monster truck tires I think we’d be a little rattled.
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