Dana White Hints That UFC Is Holding Tito Ortiz Contract
Dana White has added his $0.02 to the already thick cloud of rumor and speculation around Tito Ortiz and who he'll be fighting for in the future. From an interview with USA Today's Sergio Non:
I read recently that Tito supposedly is negotiating with UFC again. If that's the case, how did that come about?
As part of his contract, he goes out and ... I don't know, something to do with his contract, but he's still got his foot in the door with his contract. As part of our business practice in this crazy world these days, we — let me think how I can word this to you.
Take your time.
Yeah, probably going to have to.
I always say, we make this thing look a lot easier than it really is, and we're definitely not going to make it easy for anybody else. We're going to make things tough for other people.
It sounds like you're saying basically you have certain negotiation rights with Tito.
Yup, and I'm going take them.
This is why I get angry with White, Zuffa and the UFC. They've got a pattern of manipulating their (already grossly one-sided) contracts to force fighters to sit out long periods of time before they can leave the promotion.
They did it to Arlovski, Brandon Vera (who broke down and resigned with them), and now Tito.
Sure business is business, but being a dick is being a dick and this is a straight-up dick move on Dana's part. If they honestly want to resign Tito then more power to them, but if they're just using lawyers and clauses in the contract to keep Tito on the bench, that's a lame thing to do.
Fighters have very short windows in which to achieve their career goals, it's unethical in my opinion to force them to sit out months or even years.
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Ha
Thats beautiful. Bad mouth your boss and your going to get screwed with, just like the rest of us.
by The_Vig on Aug 28, 2008 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Except
in most other jobs you can just quit. Your boss can’t tell you that you can’t work for another year or so.
by mythbuster on Aug 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In many jobs your boss can tell you who you can’t work for. There are folks at Microsoft that can quit any time as long as they don’t go to work for a competitor. This is no different. Nobody is stopping Tito from working at McDonald’s.
Still a dick move, but not without precedent.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
I had to change fields because of a non-compete I signed with a previous company. After I left it would have been impossible for me to do the exact same thing for the exact same type of company, so I had to change my focus.
I’m not saying this is a good thing. I’m just saying that it happens in other jobs as well.
And a lot of times being a good businessman means being a complete dick.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 28, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is why we don’t see Brent in porno anymore.
A weary nation weeps for you, Mr. Brookhouse.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you brought up non-compete contracts, it happens ALL the time, which can basically force you into another field, as by the time the term runs out your skills are outdated or you’re in the poorhouse. Think before you rant.
by LiuLang on Aug 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one's coming to BloodyElbow
to look at a blank screen while we’re thinking. Ranting = readers.
This is a blog not a master’s thesis.
by Kid Nate on Aug 28, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, really? Man, I’ve been totally misrepresenting this site…
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t begin to describe my level of disillusionment.
by Richard Wade on Aug 28, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry guys
someone had to tell you sometime.
by Kid Nate on Aug 28, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still get class credit, right?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, Nate. We’ll get over it eventually.
by Richard Wade on Aug 28, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The nc contracts you signed basically amount to nothing. I went through these battles in my market (s7 stocks/bonds) and you will win in court every day on this. No company can force you out of your trained profession and livelihood.
by Tommy7 on Aug 28, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you don’t have the time or means to pursue the litigation.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The laws seem pretty vague on this one, and my guess would be that UFC is dumping money into lawyers to keep this thing going as long as possible.
“…an individual cannot be barred from carrying out a trade in which he has been trained except to the extent that is necessary to protect the employer.”.
by mythbuster on Aug 28, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is a stretch, but it seems to me
that since the UFC owns likeness rights and such for all of their fighters, wouldn’t prohibiting those fighters from lending their likeness and reputation to a competitor fall under the ‘necessary to protect the employer’ outline?
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
I would imagine they are using anything they can.
by mythbuster on Aug 28, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This only benefits Tito in the long run, right?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Aug 28, 2008 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, it means I won’t see him as much for the next year or so, so he’ll be FAR less likely to get cock-punched I guess.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana/UFC strikes again...
No wonder Fedor and others won’t sign with UFC. I understand it from a business perspective, but talk about trying to ruin somebody’s career. If anybody deserves free agent rights it’s Tito. I’m not a fan of the guy, but if a somebody’s not happy where they’re at then let them go. Don’t dick them around.
by Akorn on Aug 28, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though Dana might not like Tito – he knows that Tito has a strong fan base and that he will bring attention any new organization. It makes sense what is going on – doesn’t make it right – but it makes sense.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Aug 28, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz signed the contract, so hes the idiot
by DJ Soma on Aug 28, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One of the many rules of life: everything’s negotiable. The deal he signed may have had some nasty clauses, but he could have gotten rid of them, had he been willing to give up on some of his desires.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about affliction negotiating with fighters already under contract?
Dirty fights get dirty…
by mmalogic on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s have Dana White fight Donald Trump. I’d pay to see Trump get beat up.
by mythbuster on Aug 28, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d pay to see both of them bludgeoned. Where’s that on the fall line-up? Hello? Fox?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito is a restricted free agent.
UFC basically has the right to match any offer, and if they do Ortiz stays.
I’m not sure if this is just Tito’s contract (he did have a unique one) or all Zuffa contracted fighters across the board.
by ghettoiam on Aug 28, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What goes around..
Tito did this to himself. Dana and the UFC have the power, everybody knows it. Tito ran his mouth and now Dana is getting even by making things difficult for him. I’m all for fighter’s rights, but in this case Tito is finding out that payback is a bitch.
by JimmyTheSaint on Aug 28, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to dispute any of that.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kid,
I am guessing you have problems with the IFL and other companies as well?
Did Pride piss you off as well?
Because both of those companies used no compete clauses.
The Yokoi fight was supposed to be Page’s final Pride fight, but the no complete clause was so long that he came back to fight Yoon. He needed the money and had no choice.
My guess is that Dana is talking about the UFC’s right to match any offer for a period of time.
Tito has negotiated with other companies, I know this for a fact.
Tito has also not come even CLOSE to terms with anyone. Elite, AFL and Afflliction, none of them would agree to his terms. Tito shot his mouth off that Affliciton was giving him all that he wanted, only to have them reject his offer.
The UFC is not preventing Tito from working, unlike Pride with Rampage.
Zuffa has, I think, a 30 day window to match, or decline to match, any offer.
They had it with AA and declined to match Affliction’s offer. They did not wait 30 days, they read the offer and turned it down almost immediately.
Tito is not working because he has not come to terms with anyone. This is just like the last time he left the UFC, he could not get anyone to give hiim what he wanted.
Don’t attack somebody when you don’t know all of the details.
One more thing: Vera was not forced to sit out for almost a year, a chuck of that was him fighting with his former manager.
by Lynchman on Aug 28, 2008 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was often disgusted with PRIDE
and their downfall due to gangster links most of all.
PRIDE’s worst habit IMO was the constant mismatches/freak shows, late bookings, moving fighters up and down in weight seemingly at random.
Sure they put on great great fights but in the end brought themselves down. That’s unforgivable.
Zuffa I’m a huge fan of but if they do something I don’t think is cool I’m going to call them on it.
They benched Arlovski for almost a year before his contract was up and then undercarded him against Jake O’Brien. They booked Tito against Machida for similar malicious reasons.
Vera created many of his own problems, but I still didn’t like the way they dicked him around. I don’t like the way they screw fighters who only have one fight left on their contract.
The problems with Randy were karma for the Vera situation IMO.
by Kid Nate on Aug 28, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree with any of your larger points – but it’s hard to be too upset by Tito/Lyoto unless you’re Tito. Lyoto needed to fight a name opponent to increase his standing among the fans, and Tito wasn’t up to fighting anybody higher up in the rankings – heck, fighting Machida was above his level.
What’s the alternative? Have Tito fight somebody you’re sure he can beat?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was something poetic about that triangle attempt
at the end of the fight with Machida. I’m not sure exactly how to put it, but it would have been ridiculously dramatic if he’d been able to pull it off…the consequences would have changed the landscape of the LHW division quite a bit, too.
You’re right, that Tito was simply outclassed by Machida. No question in my mind, anyways. But that’s what makes MMA so much fun, the potential that literally anything can happen during the course of a match, including having a guy who never submits anyone securing a complex submission on a top-notch BJJ guy.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’m a huge Machida mark but I was rooting for Tito to pull off that triangle at the end, it was sooo close to being a classic comeback, especially for a layNpray guy to win by triangle off his back.
by Kid Nate on Aug 28, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot just how close that was. I do remember yelling like a pop-warner football dad when I saw it.
by Heenan on Aug 28, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not talking about Pride’s bookings, I am talking about the fact that they often had no compete clauses, something the UFC generally does not have.
The UFC held off on booking AA until the end of his contract, but once his deal was up, he went elsewhere.
The UFC did not have a clause that made AA sit around, doing nothing, for six months. Pride did that to Rampage.
I don’t disagree with you on the AA situation, but this is not that. You are attacking Zuffa for having the right to match offers?? That is a clause that damn near every other company uses.
Tito is not being forced to sit out, you are flat out wrong on that.
We have all read Affliction’s comments about Tito, he wants more than they are wiling to pay.
So knowing all of this, why are you attacking the UFC? It upsets you that the UFC can match any offer? How is this preventing Tito for working? How is Dana being a dick in this case?
If Tito agrees to anyone’s deal, he will be working within 30 days. What about this pisses you off?
Tito is not working because he wants the biggest deal in the history of MMA. Nobody has offered him that.
by Lynchman on Aug 28, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to me it's not clear
what exactly Dana is referring to, other than that they’re using clauses in the contract to “make it harder for someone else” to sign Tito.
All I know is what Dana said, and that just hit me the wrong way.
by Kid Nate on Aug 28, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m disappointed in you Nate. At the bottom of it all it’s not about loving mma. How are they benching Tito? What org has offered Tito a contract he’ll accept? Trumps kid even said that Tito is nuts and wants way too much money. No one but the UFC can afford Tito and that’s what Dana is eluding to. Why havn’t we heard cry baby Tito if he isn’t allowed to go make money? Someone or something is being unethical to Ortiz? First thought is aww, poor baby. Second is if it was true he’d be screaming to high heaven. I think if there is a clause, Tito is being real tight lip with it, and I doubt it’s due to a gag order. It simply benifits him. Go out and find the best offer you can and come tell us what it is. Remember as well they already offered Tito a contract before the Machida fight and he denied it because it wasn’t enough, it was sure to be millions. Tito is greedy and stupid, let’s blame Dana, Zuffa and the UFC for that too.
by Tommy7 on Aug 28, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a misconception about the relationship between fighters and promotions.
Or maybe it’s just disdain for the current system, but for whatever reason, so many people seem to despise Dana & Co for these tactics because they seem to think this is a professional sport, with systems and functional components similar to Football, Soccer, Baseball or Basketball. This may sound inaccurate, but I can’t come up with a better explanation right now: MMA is not a professional sport, not yet anyways.
Currently, MMA is a professional athletic event which is organized, developed, marketed and promoted by solo companies like Zuffa. Zuffa has employees, some of these employees are low-profile, behind-the-scenes people like most of us on this blog. Others are high-profile, front-and-center types such as the Ring Girls and fighters. But they’re ALL employees of the company. There is no autonomy or independence for these people in the current system. There are no third-parties who determine much of anything as it relates to the way the UFC conducts itself internally. About the only interaction UFC has with the outside world is when it goes up against another state sanctioning body. The rest of it is internal.
Basically, the setup is a lot more like the WWE than the NFL or MLB. That will almost certainly change during the next decade, but for today, it is what it is. The Undertaker is an employee of WWE, and they have an enormous investment into his image and career, and it would be absolutely criminal for them to be denied the opportunity to retain his services for fair market value. That’s what it sounds like Tito’s going through right now.
I’m sure I’ve said some stuff people will disagree with here, but the point is pretty clear: the current MMA world doesn’t allow for MLB/NFL-esque contract terms. The pieces to support that structure simply don’t exist today.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
…this guy hit the nail on the head.
by dmayeda on Aug 28, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think this means he is benching him, rather using his rights to match any offer.
by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BINGO!!!
It seems everyone is taking this way out of context.. Im wondering if people aren’t reading this article right or they just simply dont understand exactly what Dana had said because all i got from that article was that he wasnt going to make it easy for Zuffa’s Competitors to ink a deal with Ortiz without Zuffa getting a chance to make competing offers look like monopoly money (no pun intended)
by montiel3 on Aug 28, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually did not take Dana’s words as the author did. I really don’t think thats even what he was saying from what I read but even if that is what he ment and they are holding Tito out for as long as they can with legal issues it just makes perfect sence.Most all people who have a BIG powerful Business that are number #1 in there field and market place are Dicks and cut throats thats not new News eather. The UFC knows that they are doing and are great at doing it and this has showed for years now why change now. When it comes to making $$$$ in big business there is little to no morality involved !!! Its something you just have to learn to get use to.
by Shocbomb on Aug 28, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I'll quibble with is what I perceive as misdirection concerning amorality.
Big Business entities are filled with highly qualified, powerful specialists who are exceedingly good at what they do (think Alan Shore from Boston Legal, or the geeksquad from any of the CSI series). These people make their entire living on making sure their area is flawless, and are always ready to deal death to enemies of The Company. So when a team of Zuffa lawyers draft a fighter contract, they’ve done everything they legally can do to ensure The Company is provided for. Fighters hire agents and lawyers of their own, to better understand the contract and decide if it’s acceptable to them (in rare cases, the fighters actually get to make minor alterations to the contract, depending on their acumen and positional leverage). It’s a mismatch, yes, but if the fighters sign the contract then they have to live with the consequences, as detailed in section VI, paragraph C..
Nobody forced $1million/fight down Tito’s throat (or whatever he’s ended up making, I have no idea) for the last couple of years. But if he is further obligated, under the contract to which he agreed, then he needs to fulfill his obligation.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love that all your references come from TV shows
by Kid Nate on Aug 28, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could have brought up Steve Ballmer
or political masterminds like Dick Morris or Karl Rove, but I thought the TV characters were more appropriate examples, given the overly simplistic perspective I was providing.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Ballmer? Karl Rove? Who are they?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You actually had me checking my spelling on both, lol.
It’s late. Time for me to sleep, I think.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, this is great.
Tito is the one screwing himself. Sure the UFC contracts are slanted in their favor, nothing wrong with that.
So the UFC probably has the right to match an offer, but I am 100% positive Dana would love for some promotion to greatly overpay and get stuck with a ridiculous contract. This just makes it more likely to happen that way, just like in the NBA.
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Aug 28, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
100% Right
Like you say BJJDenver It happens all he time in sports almost with every big free agent on the market orhigh profile trade especially in baseball. The Red Sox and Yankees do it to one another time and time again. Your competition will offer more money or better trade bait then the other team just to drive up the market price and what the other team has to pay or give up in the end. Nothing worng with that at all its part of sports. Its like Bluffing in poker.
by Shocbomb on Aug 28, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If any of this is true...
we should all be way more annoyed at fighter’s management than we are at the UFC.
Also, if you signed a contract like this with a company, wouldn’t you be more political with your boss? I mean, seriously. I’d at least PRETEND to like the guy if they could string me up contractually.
Ergo, Tito is a moron.
by Jiiri on Aug 28, 2008 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I never argued with that
but he’s also managed to make several million dollars fighting for a promotion that he’s been on poor terms with for several years. Give the guy some credit.
Jenna’s no slouch either — she’s the only porn girl in almost 2 decades to become a household name and make a fortune. Talk about a tough business environment. It’s much easier to make it as a musician or fighter than as a porn performer.
by Kid Nate on Aug 28, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito pairing up with Jenna was probably the best move
he could have made for his career. That girl has major business chops, as Nate mentioned.
I’m still stunned that she was making $15million/year on her website during its peak. Talk about taking lemons and making lemonade.
Actually, I guess it’s more like taking lemons, making them watermelons, then squeezing whatever you can out of them before making the lemons magically reappear many years later.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
It’s more like taking a bunch of lemons and squeezing them into her mouth for like two decades straight.
by Blackout612 on Aug 28, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did the watermelons come from, then?
This is one heckuva magic trick…
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the UFC would match an offer, wouldn’t that also falsely inflate Tito’s stock a little? Seems like it helps Tito if anything.
by Tommy7 on Aug 28, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matching Clause?
This does not sound like a non-compete. Sounds like UFC has a right to match Tito’s other offers.
by Banned In DC on Aug 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito more than likely has some “no drama” language in his contract. This is what he is probably disputing.
Even HE has to know that he is way over-valued. The only stunning move I can remember him doing in the past 3 years is a failed triangle attempt.
by Heenan on Aug 28, 2008 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The rest of the USA interview....
Given what you guys said about each in the months leading up to his last fight, how realistic is to expect Tito to ever fight in UFC again?
Listen, me and Tito didn’t say anything worse than what we said before he came back and became a coach on The Ultimate Fighter. Tito and I do not like each other. We do not. It’s 100% real, we don’t like each other at all, but it doesn’t mean we haven’t done business together before.
So you have no problem putting aside personal feelings for business?
Sometimes. We did for a lot of years.
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Some of you have stated this….Dana is going to make it hard for the competitors to sign Tito…and not the other way around. Dana is inferring that the door open for Tito to come back. IMO, Tito will be back with the UFC. Despite all thats been said, Dana mentioned at the UFC 87 Q&A rant between he nd Crazy Corrie, that if Tito were to re-sign with the UFC, he’s negotiating with Lorenzo and not him. (Which we all knew to be the case anyways). If he didn’t want Tito back, he’d clearly state, he doesn’t ever want to see Tito back in the UFC…which he’s never gone on the record stating.
The UFC has a right to match any offer…the issues are just that, and when an offer is eventually proposed, the UFC/Zuffa has so many days to match it. I don’t believe Elite XC nor Affliction have submitted an actual offer. Just discussion of terms. With Affliction being the closest negotiator…the requested terms are just not worth it for them.
Tito will be back.
by Gregory Kim on Aug 28, 2008 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW that is quite a quote. They are bringing him back.
by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing that would
upset me in their treatment of Tito is if they are using the “matching offer” clause and in the end he signs with them again because he can not sign anywhere else…and then they leave him sitting on the bench. THAT would be out of line.
Right now I don’t see any problem with what Zuffa is doing.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 28, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see that really happening given the Lorenzo’s level of involvment in the past with Tito and now on the executive decision making level. Too, if they were to shelve Tito (after a re-signing), they’d be screwing themselves given the fact he is still an above average draw…regardless of his win/loss record the past 2 years. It’s about the bottom line.
Aside from the bottom line and despite Dana and Tito’s differences, Lorenzo is still friends with both. I think he still see’s value in Tito and the potential match-ups…
by Gregory Kim on Aug 28, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Brent
Although I wouldn’t care if they sat him on the bench….lolol.
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by Tha Realness on Aug 28, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally think there’s action left for him in the UFC. Who in the world of mma wouldn’t want to see a Wand vs Tito rematch? I’d pay for that as a main event.
by Tommy7 on Aug 28, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is definitely action. I brought it up in another thread, but they should bring him back to fight Anderson Silva at 205. A win launches Tito’s career again as a star, if Silva wins via KO he is a made man.
by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a good match up for about two minutes. Liddell is too artful a striker, I can’t imagine what Anderson would do. Yet the point of his value is still there for sure. Maybe not worth as much as Tito would like it to be, but there never the less. 2-3 loses in a row can square that right away though. That alone has value to Dana. I think all the Silvas’ can beat him: Wanderlei, Anderson & Thiago Silva. (could be the baddest name in mma next to Gracie and Nogueira which are actually family) Let him fight Sokoudjou or Rua, maybe Vera depending on his Jardine fight. Lots of ways to cash in on his name and hurt his name at the same time. Dana thinking 101?
by Tommy7 on Aug 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You made an excellent case
for bringing him in as a source of revenue, rather than on the idea that he’s a legit LHW competitor. He just isn’t any more, not in this organization. But fights like A. Silva, Machida (he’s already fought him, but the matchup is a classic example of how Tito could be deployed), Vera and others are perfect opportunities to trade off his name recognition.
At this point, that’s what Tito is. Name recognition for past deeds. I hate to say it, but really, he’s moving in the direction of where Ken Shamrock’s career is right now. He’s nowhere NEAR the actual POINT Shamrock has reached, but the same phenomenon applies.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone here ever signed an employment contract?
Because I have, and here’s how it works, assuming it’s a legitimate business: Your employer gives it to you, you hire a lawyer to vet it, and negotiate some of the points. Then, if both parties think the conditions are reasonable, they sign. If not, they don’t sign.
I’ve signed contracts, and they are NEVER perfect, and usually not completely fair. But you know what, I signed them because they were good enough for me at the time. And I honored what I signed, and lived with some of the negative consequences.
Tito willingly signed a contract and by all appearances has made a nice chunk of change along the way. So let’s not cry when the terms of that contract are being enforced.
by John Matrix on Aug 28, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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That said, it would be smart to keep Tito because he is a legitimate PPV draw and could serve as an effective gatekeeper (not that there’s any shortage of those) for the LHW division. In addition, Tito is brilliant at pumping up fights which could help build the notoriety of up and coming LHW fighters.
by John Matrix on Aug 28, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to see him rematch Rashad, Lyoto, and Wandy.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Aug 28, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have a GIF of the Ortiz/Silva fight? That would be awesome with all the running away – it was quite comical.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Aug 28, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So anyway.. I'm pretty confused by the anger and sympathizing
He’s clearly referring to the UFC’s ability to match, which has no bearing on his pursuit of a new deal elsewhere. Sometimes I think people try to hard to hate on Dana..
by Blackout612 on Aug 28, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In Business and as a Fighter ,Tito has shown what not to do..lets just appreciate that
Think of it as you-
A young aggressive and physicaly overbearing mass begins to dismantle the much touted Lions Den. Ken Shamrock is in his glory days as a survivor of the limited rule organization that has just been bought. you were cocky then………………………………………………….why not be cocky now (where my money at?)
you have to look at the difference. Back then he was eager to make a name. and!!! to talk about low pay….top fighters were getting per fight purse not the 6.5 million Dana gave to Tito when he refused to take fights with Chuck and real fighters after he came wimpering back last time.
He truly has not had a decent win in any memorable fight in a long time….. and I dont think any of us can forget how Machida made him look like a WEC amateur.
A short window for an MMA fighter, true… Reminder…..Randy Couture had his UFC debut at 33.
by Crazy Power on Aug 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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