Brett Rogers/Team Bison Fire Shots at Kimbo Slice, Ken Shamrock
by Luke Thomas on Aug 27, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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It's not clear who penned the memo, but I suspect Rogers at a minimum proof read the piece or at least gave it the thumbs up. Either way, it's a purposefully incendiary message that I suspect will only heat up the battle between Slice and Rogers; something that can be utilized should an EliteXC PPV ever come to fruition. Notable quote:
As for Oct 4th; that was our spot. Shamrock with his name and giant ego butted in line to get a slice of Kevin. At 103 years of age Ken usurped our rightful place against the YouTube champ. Our sincerest hope is that Ken whips Kimbo and then we can finally euthanize the "World’s Most Dangerous Man" and relegate him to some MMA dinosaur exhibit. Maybe taxidermy him and Severn and place them on a rotating pedestal where they can endless circle each other.
If Ken proves to be more sham then rock and Fergi beats him, then the Slice hype grows even greater. Dude is already more myth then Sasquatch, Chupacabra and a fucking unicorn combined. Kevin is the black Yeti.
Caught between a Shamrock and a hard place, Kevin has chosen the old over the new; the past over the future. But Fergi… the hard place is coming. By putting us off, making us wait will only make matters worse. There is nothing business about it anymore. Kimbo made it a point to go frontin’ to our boys at Big Black. But that street thug B.S. might work well with the fan bois and the Internet dorks who think your street cred means something; but Son… Brett comes from Cabrini Green; the worst 12 blocks of America. Compared to that your street is Sesame Street. So you can say it is very personal between Brett and Fergi. So go ahead and make us wait while you fight Tank and Shamrock. Hell, why not fight Hackney, Harold Howard, Fred Ettish and the rest of Jurassic MMA? And while your shuckin’ and duckin’ we will be hustlin’ and muscilin’ and when the bell finally tolls the only real question left is … do you wake up looking at canvas or arena lights?
EliteXC should actually be thankful that Brett Rogers is willing to create enough drama around this situation without their help. If Kimbo is going to eventually lose to Rogers as the Rogers camp predicts, it's better to do so to a heated and known enemy than a anonymous yet talented opponent. I don't think the same heat will carry over should Shamrock win, but Rogers' bonus shots at Shamrock certainly can't hurt.
The only question is what sort of post-fight antics can we expect should Slice win and Rogers enter the cage for the post-fight interview? If it's as bad as the Noons vs. Diaz dust up, I'll live. If it turns into something as violent as the Source Awards, I will have quite a bit to say.
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daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn...
i agree with the general feeling that brett is one bad (shut yo’ mouth) and i sincerely hope that others are taking notes.
fantastic. just fantastic.
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I think he deserves his shot against Kimbo. I think he can beat Kimbo. I think he should stfu. It’s not like Kimbo refused Brett to fight Shamrock. He fights whom EXC gives him to fight. Plus why fight some tough nobody when he can fight a hall of fame’r and probably win fairly easy. Roger’s day will come, just take care of business till it does. I get a strong impression that Rogers has watched Rocky 3 a few too many times. He’s not calling out the world champ and he’s not Mr. T.
It’s not like Kimbo refused Brett to fight Shamrock. He fights whom EXC gives him to fight.
I still find it really hard to believe that Kimbo and his management have absolutely no say in who he fights. I know it’s really up to EXC to make the calls, but I can’t imagine for the life of me that Kimbo couldn’t get a match with Rogers if he expressed any interest at all to EXC in doing that, instead of trying to kick Shamrock’s cane out from under him instead. I could be totally wrong … I just don’t buy it.
Plus why fight some tough nobody when he can fight a hall of fame’r and probably win fairly easy.
This is really where I think Kimbo gets too much of a pass. He’ll come out and say on the one hand that he’s still learning, working hard, trying to do it the right way. Then he’ll come out and call out guys like Liddell or Rogers — Rogers called him out before and Kimbo said, point blank, that it would be the next fight he’d take. But then when it comes time to actually schedule the fights, he doesn’t say a word about wanting to fight this “tough guy” who has publicly called him out repeatedly. I don’t think Kimbo should be allowed to have it both ways and say that he wants to fight Rogers but then not say a word when they put a can up in front of him instead.
Again, that’s just me.
Can't argue with that
but at some point Brett needs to focus on his next opponent and not concern himself so much with whatever Kimbo’s doing. He’s putting too much of himself into nonsense and what if the fight never happens? Who knows how long Elite will be around and he’s showing he loves to rock the boat. Kimbo isn’t afraid to lose in my opinion. My people actually knew him growing up and swear he knows no fear. That type of no fear means you could care less about an ass whipping. So at some point he understands that people like Bas & Elite trully know what’s better for his long term business career, remember it’s also better for theirs. Why throw that away so fast when you can fight a ex-UFC star get some more $ and build up time and if Rogers makes it, then so be it. Let the fight happen. But don’t jump at something just because you get called out. That’s silly and playing into the next mans fight plan before you ever enter the cage. At that point you’ve already lost. Let Rogers take a back seat, not get his way just because he can taunt and see how he takes stress. Also if Kimbo jumped at anyone who challenged him, he’d never get any rest and he’d still be just a street thug. I’m not a big Kimbo fan myself, (he is kinda bad for mma) but good business is just that.
One more thing. On the fact of if Kimbo has enough pull to demand a fight, probably. Then so does Elite. They Need him to fight a big name and pull in some dollars for the future of the company. What’s he gonna say, no I want Brett and who cares if the company goes under? Rogers will be around in 6 months. Let the battle of Mr. Rogers neighborhood happen then.
They're saving Slice vs Rogers for PPV
and I think its smart.
Let the heathen rage about Ken Shamrock, but I’m fine with that matchup.
Why would EXC waste this fight, when they should be saving it for their ppv?
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
Does it offend your sensibilities? Or are there simply too many big and colorful words to get your head around? I’m just stirring.
I wish more fighters were as good with the English language as Brett.
I don’t think Rogers wrote this himself. Although I suppose he could be referring to himself in the 3rd person, I think its MUCH more likely that one of his people wrote this.
Very Curious
I don’t mean to be rude, but why – in this instance- do you think his “people” wrote this for him? Are you referring to Team Bison? And if so, why?
No worries, yes I’m talking about Team Bison, I was mostly referring to these quotes:
“By putting us off, making us wait will only make matters worse.”
“Brett comes from Cabrini Green; the worst 12 blocks of America”
Its possible Brett Rogers could be referring to his team, but the use of “us” signifies that it is his team writing it and including him rather then the much less likely scenario of him saying they put “us” off rather then they put “me” off.
Also, as I stated above, the “Brett…” could be a 3rd person reference, but coupled with the above it seems to me that this was written by his team.
Hell no it doesn't offend my sensibilities that was my whole point.
I had no problem with what Brock did. I thought what Brock did was blown out of proportion and wouldn’t hurt the sport and would ultimately have a positive effect on the sport at the box office. Some people acted like what Brock did was a black eye for the sport though.
It’s just that so many people bashed Lesnar but this gets rave reviews as being great.
I personally don’t see the difference.
Why is this so fantastic and why was what Lesnar did so bad?
This is basically the same thing Lesnar did. What Brock did is smack talk but conveyed through physical movements such as pointing and laughing. To me this is pointing and laughing at Kimbo and Ken but conveyed through speech.
Common sense says that you think I am slow or something.
Pre-fight vs. Post-fight. You mean Pre-fight when Herring and his camp were smack talking and Post-fight when Lesnar was the one having the last laugh.
Pre-fight or Post-fight smack talk is smack talk. You can make all the excuses you want why one is O.k. and one isn’t but it is smack talk.
To me one wasn’t O.k. because it was Lesnar and the people doing the bashing don’t like him.
This case it is O.k. because Rogers isn’t hated by the masses and the people he is bashing are more often getting bashed by people for one reason or another anyway.
My point about this is it is a popularity contest. If your on the right side of the popularity contest then you don’t get bashed for questionable acts but if your on the wrong side then everybody bashes away.
Pre-fight vs. Post-fight. You mean Pre-fight when Herring and his camp were smack talking and Post-fight when Lesnar was the one having the last laugh.
Yes and no. Pre-fight as in before the fight. You were doing good, then you went and ruined it with the ‘rumor-mill as fact’ nonsense to try to justify something that happened at another time.
Pre-fight or Post-fight smack talk is smack talk. You can make all the excuses you want why one is O.k. and one isn’t but it is smack talk.
You inability to understand the difference between pre-fight hype and post-fight disrespect is your problem, my friend.
My point about this is it is a popularity contest. If your on the right side of the popularity contest then you don’t get bashed for questionable acts but if your on the wrong side then everybody bashes away.
If this is really as nuanced as you are capable of getting, than there’s no point in continuing this.
Rumor mill? When more than a handful of people verify the rumor it’s still a rumor? I’m pretty sure that in an interview Herring himself even admitted to it then recanted in another interview. So I didn’t ruin it apparently you just aren’t aware of the rumor actually being verified by Herring himself and other people.
Pre-fight smack talk helps promote the upcoming fight. Post-fight smack talk helps promote that fighters next fight just the same. Lesnar’s post-fight reaction to Herring’s pre-fight smack talk ultimately will have the same effect for Lesnar’s next fight that Rogers smack talk will have for his next fight. They are both disrespectful if you want to go that route. You just choose to justify one and not the other.
That is your comments and you want to question if that is as nuanced as I am capable of getting.
Does it make you feel good about yourself talking to down to me like I’m some kind of idiot?
Rumor mill? When more than a handful of people verify the rumor it’s still a rumor? I’m pretty sure that in an interview Herring himself even admitted to it then recanted in another interview.
No, that was because of a faulty article (no offense Chris). It was established, by those of us that read the article, that the only thing he contradicted himself about was whether or not he had heard that coming out first or second was an issue, and even then it could have not been a contradiction if we whittled it down further. He’s always denied the pre-fight smack talk. Anyway, the point is that people who wanted to believe something came away from the article believing what they wanted rather than what the article proved (or rather, didn’t prove).
Does it make you feel good about yourself talking to down to me like I’m some kind of idiot?
No, actually I felt bad. It came over much ruder than it should have and I am sorry about that. No excuses, I was in a bad mood and let it out :(
That said, it still doesn’t make sense. Pre-Fight hype vs Post-fight disrespect. You love Brock, I get that, which is how an article about Brett Rogers vs. Kimbo Slice became some kind of pro- and/or anti-Lesnar thing to you. If Rogers and Slice fought next week, and Rogers did the same thing Lesnar did after winning, I would be the first person to call him a huge dick. It’s about consistency.
I didn’t take it personally I just thought maybe you were a dick and couldn’t help yourself. : )
Yes I am a Lesnar nut hugger. But for me the consistency is treating smack talk as smack talk. It’s all disrespectful. To me there is no consistency when one is O.k. and one is not. I know, I know there is other factors and circumstances that play into each one but to me it’s not consistent. That is what I wanted to point out. Maybe my nut hugging for Lesnar didn’t allow me to articulate that in the best possible way but people overwhelming seem to be in favor of this and overwhelming not in favor of what Lesnar did. I don’t see that as consistent. But again I’m rational enough to realize that I’m a nut hugger and that can cloud ones mind by allowing me to ignore some of the circumstances around Brock’s antics such it being after he had a total one-sided beat down of Herring and no extra smack talk was probably needed.
Antics are antics.
It really doesn’t matter when they happen, in most people’s opinion (at least as far as my interactions with humanity have indicated). There’s something honorable about being gracious in victory, but that doesn’t automatically doom a person who gloats over their fallen victim’s corpse to automatically being dishonorable. We’re all impressed when GSP and Fitch sing Kum Ba Ya at center-ring after their brawl, but that’s an exception, not the rule.
What Tito did with the “I just fucked your ass” shirt (I think it was him..) was crass, without class and not a gracious gesture. But he won the fight, and nothing he did was illegal or harmful to his opponent physically. I hate to bring that last part up, but it seems like it bears repeating. These guys are entertainers, as well as world-class athletic competitors. As long as there’s no true harm being done, I think most people won’t rebel at the idea of a guy being a jerk post-fight.
I enjoy both Brock’s post-fight antics and Team Bison’s material. It all adds to the impact of the fight, like it or not.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
huh...
I think you need to lighten up a bit. There isn’t a sport in the world where you don’t see a little smack talk. This idea that somehow MMA needs to be above human nature is absurd.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 27, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They worked “usurped” and “fucking unicorn” into the same memo. You’ve got to respect that. If nothing else, it’s an amusing piece of work.
It was fairly high-brow,
and a hilarious read. Well-constructed..someone stayed up all night on that one, I’d imagine. I’m glad they did!
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 28, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a shop next to my office that makes custom t-shirts. First thing tomorrow I am getting one that says “KEVIN IS THE BLACK YETI.”
Can I get a t-shirt with Brock Lesnar’s chest tattoo?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Aug 28, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
You know...
as much of a shameless Lesnar fan as I am…that tattoo pisses me off because A) it looks horrible and B) when I get into an argument regarding him and someone brings up the tattoo I got nothing to say back to them…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 28, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Wearing the t-shirt should say enough.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Aug 28, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as smack talk goes...
This is some great stuff, way above average. This adds mor fuel to the fire; when this fight happens, it’s going to be explosive. As far as Rogers goes, of course he sees beating Kimbo as a quick path to the top. But to the top of what? EXC’s heavyweight division isn’t really all that impressive, and Rogers isn’t good enough to make too much of an impact anywhere else. He’s basically just a younger version of Kimbo.
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