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Will Takanori Gomi Ever Matter Again?

2794776124_44d4a58a68_mediumTo no one's surprise Takanori Gomi pulled out a win against Seung Hwan Bang but it certainly didn't impress Daniel Herbertson of Sherdog:

All three judges saw the fight for Gomi, but Bang had clearly showed that he is one of the hottest up-and-comers in Asia. Gomi looked less than impressive in the bout, and if his opponent had better gas and low kick defense, the decision might have gone against him.

And the Sengoku lightweight tournament which is designed to create a big-time challenger for Gomi is doing a better job of killing stars than making them. Case in point, Rodrigo Damm. Here's how Jordan Breen described him before his bout with journeyman spoiler Eiji Mitsuoka:

A Brazilian jiu-jitsu world champion with a few Brazilian national wrestling titles tossed in for good measure, Damm is a serious grappler who has put those skills to good use in his young career.

Coming off an improbable KO win over YouTube legend Jorge Masvidal, Damm was favored and poised for a Jacare style breakout if he beat Mitsuoka in impressive style. Instead, Damm got sloppy and got himself slugged, stunned and choked out. Mitsuoka is a bad man, you have to be to earn a win (even a split-decision) win over DREAM champ Joachim Hansen, but he's not going to be a star anytime soon.

Same thing happened to IFL champ Ryan Schultz. After his classic beat down of golden boy Chris Horodecki and a grinding win over the IFL's other lightweight hype Deividas Taurosevicius, Schulz was primed to pull an Eddie Alvarez with a breakout performance in the WVR tournament. Instead, Schultz fought stupid and got himself KO'd by CageForce champ Mizuto Hirota.

Ok, so maybe I'm being too negative. Hirota, riding a 4 fight KO streak could be a star in the making. And Satoru Kitaoka -- training partner of fellow submission kings Shinya Aoki and Masakazu Imanari --is looking pretty sharp after his 31 second finish of Matt Hughes' protege Clay French. But nevertheless, with no US television exposure and no non-Japanese fighters advancing, the Sengoku tournament is not going to match DREAM for star-making and Takanori Gomi won't be #1 in the world ever again.

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There is an intangible benefit in fighting in the UFC…

and that benefit is keeping your skills sharp.

Nothing like mostly competing against top competition to keep your game in tune.

Conversely how much of a detriment is it to a fighters career not competing at this level?

by mmalogic on Aug 24, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the DREAM tourny

was UFC level. No doubt. Aoki, JZ, Alvarez, Hansen — they could all walk into the UFC and hang with Sherk, Griffin, Florian, Huerta, no problem. I don’t think anyone in DREAM could hang with Penn, but I think the top 4 DREAM guys would beat the top 4 UFC guys on most days.
The WVR tourny is just one step below the UFC. Not at all bad. But I agree with your point, Gomi should be fighting the Penns, Aokis, JZ’s and Alvarez’, not the Bangs.

by Kid Nate on Aug 24, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have to agree…

dreams lightweight division is very competitive and comprable to UFC’s… and if you’d add gomi in their that would be one sick org vs org gang bang.

JZ will probably end up in the UFC though… along with alvarez once elite reaches their next stage in evolution: vapor.

by mmalogic on Aug 24, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you guys kiddin' me?!!

I like Aoki, I loved Royce, I love BJJ. But that’s what these guys are — BJJ practitioners. They are not rounded MMA competitors, and for that reason, they would get murdered in the UFC. You can include Gomi to that list. These guys don’t have cardio, they don’t cut to make weight, Aoki has no chin – no stand up – no chance! Gomi may have stand up, but he sure as hell didn’t show it. Huerta would beat Gomi, let alone the top of the UFC division.

Please, someone tell me why these japanese fighters are gettin this kinda free pass to the top of the rankings.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Aug 25, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You honestly think Aoki would have ‘no chance’ in the UFC, even after beating JZ?

by idefinecagefighter on Aug 25, 2008 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would not be a serious contender. He should not be 3 in the world.

Of course he could win a fight. The UFC could protect him and get him to 3-0. That’s not the ufc style and i don’t see him getting past 3-0 in the UFC unless he changed. Add some muscle mass, work on his stand up, work on his conditioning. It’s not going to be as easy to take ufc guys down. Do you wanna jump guard with clay guida, joe stevenson, tyson griffin on you?

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Aug 25, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do if I’m Shinya Aoki.

by FRANKIE on Aug 25, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I love watching Aoki work the mat, but he doesn’t have the physical strength or striking ability to contend in the UFC. Maybe if he trained more seriously in his strength training and muay thai before deciding to move overseas for a while. I’d love to see an influx of Japanese lightweight stars into the UFC, but there’s a number of reasons it couldn’t work. One, I think they largely wouldn’t do as well as expected. And two, American MMA fans just don’t get behind asian fighters. I love Okami, but I don’t know many people that would say that. It’s difficult (or perhaps not enough effort has been made in the past) to market asian and Japanese fighters in American MMA. Sad but true.

by Blackout612 on Aug 25, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because

These fighters have spent years fighting in LW divisions establishing themselves when the UFC didn’t have a LW division. It’s unfortunate, but I agree with you about Aoki and Gomi. I love Aoki, but I think he’d be in tough against top UFC LW’s.

by LiuLang on Aug 25, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make it sound like Aoki’s recent fights in DREAM haven’t included Bu Kyung Jun and Nagata.

by George Lucas on Aug 25, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt that fighting in the UFC keeps you at an elite level if you are indeed an elite fighter to begin with. Other than that, the UFC style of matchmaking truly seperates the men from the boys.

I think saying that Gomi will never be #1 in the world again is harsh. Do I think BJ would beat him? Yes. Do I think guy like Alvarez, Florian, Hansen, and Sherk would have a good chance to take down the Fireball Kid? Yes. But as we’ve seen time and time again, top fighters routinely fall off the horse only to get back on and become stronger then ever. I’m not entirely sure what Gomi’s contract is with WVR but what if, when it’s up, Gomi jumps over to the UFC or DREAM. All he would need is a one or two wins against top opponents for people to start claiming he’s the top guy again.

My main argument here is that people need to stop writing guys off after they have one or two uninspired performances. Yes, the true top P4P kings like Silva, GSP, Fedor, and Penn have literally dismantle top competition time and time again but I’m sure someone will come along and take one of them out on a bad night eventually. I personally don’t see Gomi regaining his top status but anything can happen in this sport.

by dropkick101 on Aug 24, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

psychologically gomi reminds me of cro cop… ton of talent but weakest point is the mind.

Zuffa is lacking the best heavyweight in the world…

In every other weight class zuffa has the best

And I believe Fedor will be hard to beat… the same way penn, gsp, silva dominate their weight class this guy would if he would just consistently fight.

Only the next level of talent will take these guys out… And I don’t see that crop anytime soon.

by mmalogic on Aug 24, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW. Zuffa has the best heavyweight. Actually, the top two heavy weights.

1. Brock Lesnar
2. Randy Couture
Brock Lesnar is gonna prove to be the best hw for a long time. Unless, of course, they restructure the weight limits. Do you realize that lesnar has nearly a 50 pound advantage on fedor at fight time.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Aug 25, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You are a very funny man.

by FRANKIE on Aug 25, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"BJ Penn has literally dismantled top competition time and time again"-- can you say "hyperbole"

Penn dismantled Stevenson — ok. But we’re gonna see that again this November… it’s really not a big deal. (who else has he dismantled in the last 3 years?)

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Aug 25, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pulver's a featherweight & Sherk was out to prove he wasn't a boring fighter.

btw. Lauzon ‘dismantled’ pulver, but who cares. Penn’s win over sherk was not real impressive, wasn’t dismantling.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Aug 25, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think thats an overly pessimistic assessment. Gomi vs. Pang ended up being a pretty great fight, to me the story of the fight was Gomi’s experience helping him take over the later rounds, he was more deliberate about picking his spots than the “old” Gomi, but he still managed to keep Pang at a distance for most of the fight and score points. And as for the tourney, they have four decent Japanese fighters in the semis. How can WVR complain about that?

by smoogy on Aug 24, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about his performance

I’m talking about the promotion he’s fighting for. They won’t be able to get him the caliber of opponent he needs to make a claim to be the #1 lightweight in the world.

by Kid Nate on Aug 24, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

very true Nate I don’t see WVR being able to bring in any LW’s even in the top15 maybe 20 for Gomi to fight in the hear future they are all locked up with the UFC and Dreams. And Dreams will not and have said they will not co promote with WVR. Bolth orgs are pretty big rivals in Japan.

by Shocbomb on Aug 24, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gomi didn’t look spectacular last night but I do think it’s a bit premature to say he’ll never matter again. He’s still a relatively young dude who just seems bored with the competition he’s facing, even if it’s by design.

He needs a big fight to get him revved up. He didn’t even know he was facing the winner of the GP.

“Seeing the belt for the first time yesterday, I found out that if I won I would fight against the winner of the tournament," Gomi commented. "So I realized that it was a fight I couldn’t lose. It was a source of motivation. Until now I was wondering how the tournament worked.”

by Chris Nelson on Aug 24, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't saying

Gomi won’t matter again because of his performance. I’m saying as long as he’s facing 3rd tier competition (DREAM 1st tier, UFC 2nd tier, WVR 3rd tier), he’ll never have a chance to prove he’s #1 again.

by Kid Nate on Aug 24, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m saying as long as he’s facing 3rd tier competition (DREAM 1st tier, UFC 2nd tier, WVR 3rd tier), he’ll never have a chance to prove he’s #1 again.

I’d have to agree with this part. You have to fight top competition on a consistent basis to be considered top competition (case in point, Fedor). While I loved the show, the type of talent in Dream and UFC are pretty elite. Particularly Dream with its breakout performances. That LW Tournament was awesome to say the least.

by pud333 on Aug 24, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word.

There’s gonna come a time when Gomi will have to decide between the comfort and $crill that comes with fighting in Japan, or making at least a temporary shift to the States to firm up his legacy.

by Chris Nelson on Aug 24, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True enough. There’s money, and then there’s building a legacy. They don’t always go hand in hand, and Gomi is gonna have to take some risks.

by pud333 on Aug 24, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you’re telling me Mitsuoka and Kitaoka are 3rd tier, I may have to sic Jordan Breen on you

by smoogy on Aug 25, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

what I said — and i was very clear about it — is that the WVR lightweight division is the 3rd best, hence 3rd tier. But neither Mitsuoka nor Kitaoka are top 10 fighters.

by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2008 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sengoku is the 3rd best show for lightweights, hence Gomi’s potential opponents are 3rd tier? Thats a pretty odd way of looking at it. So does that mean Jamie Varner is fighting 4th tier competition and KJ Noons is the 5th tier champion?

by smoogy on Aug 25, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good catch

I should’ve said “as long as he’s fighting for a 3rd tier promotion.”

by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know maybe its just me but I’ve never been impressed with Gomi. I dont get the hype. I could see at least 8 people in the ufc division that would beat him. So he’s never mattered to me. I just see alot of holes in his game granted Im not denying his toughness and his ok boxing skills. I just think if hes been in the ufc the past yrs he doenst get the wins or the hype.

by mlzybaby on Aug 24, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hype?

Gomi has been fighting for ten years. Hype is for fighters with barely any experience. Hype is what most of the UFC fighter are. It is just you. By the way what season of TUF got you in to Ultamate Fighting?

by Hookem325 on Aug 24, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shamrock has been fighting for longer than that...

Almost every single fight he’s been in was hype. By the way, was that your favorite season of TUF (shamrock vs. ortiz)?

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Aug 25, 2008 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overall, I was pretty underwhelmed by Schultz and Damm. Schultz sat back when I thought he should be pushing the pace. Even his corner was screaming at him to go for it. He seemed hesitant at times and late on the trigger. Damm was swinging like he was in a highschool fight. He had his chin forward, his hands low as he pressed forwards. Before I could think to myself that it would only be a matter of time before he got hit with a good shot, he did, and he went down.

by pud333 on Aug 24, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Schultz blew it

He could’ve won that fight if he’d pressed into the clinch and turned it into a dirty boxing match, then gotten a takedown but he seemed to think he could just swing for the fences and take the fight by KO. Didn’t do his research on his opponent.

by Kid Nate on Aug 24, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re being ridiculous. He got KO’ed going for a takedown, shortly after his previous takedown attempt fell outside the ring, and after two rounds of winning the stand up exchanges- and not by “swinging for the fences”, but by landing 1-2 combinations over and over again and resetting himself each time.

by George Lucas on Aug 25, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gomi's Future in dout !!!!

I have been thinking this About Gomi ever sence he signed with WVR. I just can’t SEE WVR brining in any top 10 or even top 15 LW’s for him to fight in near future Dream will not co-promote with them.Like is or not Gmoi is going to be stuck fighting who ever WVR can bring in. And so far sure 2 tuff good LW’s but not not top10 buy any stretch and thatsthe type of fighters that Gomi needs to be fighting, Looking back on it Gomi’s managment should of took the offers they got from bolth Dreams and the UFC instead of taking the little bit of extra $$$. Fighting in WVR againt the type of fighters he is fighting agaisnt could cost him $$$ and popularity down the road !!!!

by Shocbomb on Aug 24, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fighting in the WVR is the smartest thing he could have done!

He’s a hero, a legend, #2 in the world rankings, and he probably makes more than any other Japanese fighter. All of that is gonna disappear once he starts fighting tier 1 competition. He’ll have plenty of time to prove me wrong in the future.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Aug 25, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

I think the guy deserves a little more respect, unless maybe one of you is actually BJ Penn.

Does one of the final PRIDE champs matter? More than some bloggers and blog commenters, I’ll bet. Oh, he didn’t blow right through a tough as hell opponent. Oh, there are a few other top guys that can probably beat him. He’s nothing! He’s done!

A little freaking respect for the fighters that train hard and go all out for the sport and the art we love, please. Even if a guy isn’t top of the top you can’t say he doesn’t matter.

by lotuschoke on Aug 25, 2008 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about his performance

I’m talking about his promotion. Unless Gomi gets into DREAM or the UFC he won’t face the caliber of competition that will allow him to make a case for himself as the best in the world.

by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2008 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% Right

100% right please let me know people what top 15 maybe even 20 LW WVR can bring in thats not signed ?. Pretty much not one I can think of of the top of my head, As long as Gomi is with WVR these are the tyep of fights he will see !!!!! Hey there solid LW fighters the last 2 fights Gomi had but far from being the top 20 of the LW devision. He really should be in Dream’s ???? God Forbig he losses a fight to one of these LW up and comers or journeymen is will kill is reputation and ranking. In my opinion GOMI is playing with fire and its a no win situation if he wins he is sapose to if he losses his stock is hurt BAD. I hope WVR trys to bring in Nick Diaz in the future thats a big fight Fans want to see again.

by Shocbomb on Aug 25, 2008 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention...

that PRIDE has been gone long enough that simply having been a champion at the end of their run isn’t important in the current landscape.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 25, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schultz “fought stupid and got himself KO’ed”??

Wow, give me a goddamn break. That’s so disrespectful to both Schultz and Hirota, who fought a good, exciting and technically solid fight.

by George Lucas on Aug 25, 2008 1:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Gomi will “matter” that much in the US, without TV exposure. Even if he was fighting lower level competition, that exposure is a lot of what builds the popularity of fighters.

There is no doubt Gomi is a top level LW, but fighting guys that are unfamiliar to most US fans and not having dominating wins on TV, will certainly effect many fans opinions of him.

This is another big draw of the UFC, imo. They are consistently putting on shows, have a very high profile, have tons of media exposure and do a good job of promoting their fighters. Whether or not a person is a UFC fan, there is no question that they have a great platform for fighters to display themselves.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 25, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

except in Japan

The UFC has a very very low profile in Japan. For a top Japanese fighter signing with the UFC just makes NO sense — lower paydays, your fans won’t see you, fighting in the cage has a bad rep in Japan.

by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt. I was strictly referring to the view of american fans.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 25, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on man its not like you make it out to be at all the UFC is on TV in japan and MMA in a cage in Japan does pretty good ever heard of cage Force ? Alot of good fighters fight there and a few are in the UFC right now, Sure the fans would rather have there fighters fight at home but alot of fans in Japan actually want to see there fighters go to the U.S and succeed in the UFC.Almost Every top fighter in Japan was expressed interest in coming to the UFC. We are seeing it now with the lighter weights in Japan with some of the top fighters in Shooto and Deep coming over to fight in the WEC.

by Shocbomb on Aug 25, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shooto pays shit. Of course those guys would rather fight in the WEC. Gomi, on the other hand, is making a lot of money while fighting at home.

Why do American fans all seem to think that being a successful fighter has to mean being successful in the States?

by FRANKIE on Aug 25, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because we generally don’t care if someone is successful in another country.

by Richard Wade on Aug 25, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK !!!

And becasue it usally pays alot more-LOL-, No one is saying that first off and I guess all those Americans that Watch Dreams,WVR,and all other non american MMA just thihnk those fighters they are watching don’t matter right !!! PLease come on man hardly any one in America who knows there MMA thinks that its just people like you who like to stero type all American MMA fans who do ?

by Shocbomb on Aug 25, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gomi was not impressed with his own per-for-mance...
I was going to give him damages by not punching but kicking. I was almost down in the beginning of 2R because of kicking a lot in 1R. My opponent didn’t tackle me and aimed the counter punches. I saw a belt last night and I strongly felt that I didn’t want to lose. I personally wanted him to be more aggressive as a champion of DEEP. I think great performances by other lightweight fighters contributed SENGOKU to get more attention. I wish I could have an exciting fight yesterday. Don’t worry, I will definitely get a belt. I want my next fight in Nov and have a title match next year.

Sweet!

by Chris Nelson on Aug 25, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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