Kenny Florian Accusing Roger Huerta of Greasing Up

by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2008 3:04 PM EDT in News Comment 41 comments

He doesn't quite come out and say it but he certainly implies that something fishy was going on. From the Fight Card radio show:

To be honest he was really slippery and I don’t mean that like technically-wise, he was really slippery. I don’t know, I don’t want to speculate and say that something was used or whatever but he was just hard to hang on to and that was from all the positions. Even when I had him in like a headlock or a guillotine everything was just really slippery. When I get the position, when I get mount, when I get back-mount, I’ve fought and I’ve wrestled some of the best guys on the ground from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and submission wrestling to MMA and when I get those positions you’re not getting out and Roger was able to get out. It was pretty slippery so I was a little surprised. Just the first time I was mounted on him and he gave his back I was a little suspicious, I knew something was up. Who knows, all I know is I’m good at keeping those positions and I know the difference between sweat and something else and it felt like something else but who knows. (Jokingly) Maybe it’s Albolene left over from the day before from the weight cut!

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I don’t like the wish-washy nature of his comments. Say it or don’t. If he’s confident in that belief, he should accuse him outright. If he doesn’t know what he was feeling and his mind might be playing tricks on him because of how confident he is in his abilities, then keep it to yourself. Not defending Huerta, but I feel that you can’t ride the fence on something as serious as that.

by Blackout612 on Aug 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sometime you just gotta throw it out there. I think he is playing it safe. He might state it more strongly if say Alberto Crane comes out to support his claim, but make no bones about it, this is an accusation.

by szucconi on Aug 22, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he accused Huerta right after the fight, most of you guys would be condemning him for giving excuses for not finishing Huerta and being a bad winner. He won in dominating fashion so there’s no reason to say this two weeks later unless it’s true.

Personally, I thought Huerta was done in the first round when Kenny mounted him. I couldn’t believe it when he escaped. I believe Florian.

by cyph on Aug 22, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Believe what?

Maybe you missed the argument I made. He’s not clear in his accusation. You believe that he’s not sure what he felt? That’s insubstantial.

by Blackout612 on Aug 22, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well maybe he is not confident? That’s why it sounds wishy-washy.

by zeroword on Aug 23, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For what is is worth…….Didnt Huerta get a decision OVERTURNED against him when he fought Guillard a whiles back?? I am pretty sure it was for the same reason-Guillard won the fight, then Huerta said something along the lines of what Ken just said, that he(Guillard was slippery, etc, etc)

Someone help me out. I am not 100% sure of the facts. I am pretty sure of the relevant information above

by fightfan on Aug 22, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe you are correct

by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So...

Why would he do that himself?

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 22, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with Blackout…also, why wait 2 weeks before you mention something like this?

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by Tha Realness on Aug 22, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

… and what is gained by doing it all, especially all wishy-washy like that, when you won the fight. It’s not like there’s a reason to minimize having lost by making allegations or something.

by Kierkegaard on Aug 22, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what has me agreeing

If he won, he has little-or-nothing to gain from this. But if he thinks this guy was scared about his contract and wanted to get the title shot, or he thinks the guy might be cheating in general, wouldn’t he be a punk for not bringing this discussion in to the public domain? The delay of a week or two ~~as well as sounding fishy~~ suggests it wasn’t easy to come out like this, and his language also suggests how hard it might be to bring something like this up.

I don’t think its the best way to do it, but he’s prolly caught up in the emotion of the situation. Indignation and moral outrage generally cause poor reactions in people who actually want a positive outcome.

by asa on Aug 22, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually there is alot to gain from this if it is true… and I doubt florian would even imply it unless he 100% believed it to be true.

What would happen to the sport if everyone started doing this? There is alot to be gained for outing it because less people would try it.

by mmalogic on Aug 22, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the point he’s making is that Florian stands to gain nothing from making this accusation if it is untrue.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 22, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I couldn’t “finish my fight” so yeah, he cheated. What an arse! What is wrong with him? Also, hes ben having somewhat of a snotty attitude on MMA Live. Douche.

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 22, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree 100%...

I really wanted to Huerta to win this fight, but I respected the fact that Florian played a good strategy and pulled a win out. But after this, I’ve lost all respect for him and for his game. I have a feeling some people who actually rooted for “KenFlo” are waivering a bit right now…

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by funnytiger on Aug 22, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why would you lose respect for Kenny? He is stating what he experienced without accusing Roger. Can he prove that Roger lubed up? No, he cannot, that is why he made his statement the way he did.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Aug 22, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So why say anything...

if not to be just a douche bag? It stirs up a whole bunch of shit and puts Huerta’s record into question. Huerta is a good fighter and deserves better than this. I lose respect for Florian talking to the media and not to Huerta and his team first. Its a pretty dirty underhanded thing to do and it shows Florian’s true colors.

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by funnytiger on Aug 22, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Deserves better than what? Than someone saying he felt slippery?
Calm down and get a rational view point. Take into consideration that you love Huerta and realize you may be somewhat biased.

by Simco on Aug 22, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

because it's true?

by cyph on Aug 22, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just don’t get how you have all of a sudden lost respect for Kenny because of his statement.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Aug 22, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe - just maybe

Pointing out someone’s wrong-doing could get the proper authorities to look into it and find some sort of reliable answer one way or another?

I would think letting that person continue to do it to others would be the douche-y thing to do.

Just throwing that out there.

by asa on Aug 22, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, wavering because Florian someone is potentially greasing up. Makes a lot of sense, seeing as he won the fight and is obviously reluctant to say anything. Not like anybody but him and Huerta were in the ring, so I think he would have a pretty good idea.

I’m not saying that Huerta obviously did it or anything, but you have to look at what Florian could possibly gain out of this.

by LiuLang on Aug 22, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man

I wanna see what Huerta has to say about this…

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 22, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Slathered in Crisco?

Has there ever been a case of someone actually “greasing up” before a fight? I’ve never heard this allegation before, let alone heard of anyone actually busted for it.

by thetakeover on Aug 22, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Akiyama greased up against Sakuraba a couple years ago. Not sure if he ever came out and copped to it, but Saku protested and got the fight overturned to a NC.

by Chris Nelson on Aug 22, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup..

It’s not like it’s unheard of in MMA. Huerta did look a little “shiny” when he sweated in that fight.

by cyph on Aug 22, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Melvin Gulliard actually greased up in a match against Huerta himself, way back in the day.

by idefinecagefighter on Aug 22, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check out my above post. Huerta lost a fight to Melvin Guillard. Huerta pressed the issue that Guillard was “slippery” or hid body was “greased”……..Later the decision was OVERTURNED and hhuerta ended up getting the decision

by fightfan on Aug 22, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what does that mean? IMO it means he wouldn’t do it himself.

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 22, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember that Melvin Guillard was accused of greasing up before a fight as well.

I don’t see anything wrong with Kenny’s comments.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Aug 22, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Guillard got DQed for it.

by szucconi on Aug 22, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ahhhh, I knew I wasn’t making it up.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Aug 22, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you don’t want fighters to talk and speculate on stuff, maybe you shouldn’t ask them questions.

by The_Vig on Aug 22, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He’s speaking frankly about his thoughts on the fight. Thats the exact type of thing I want to hear from a fighter in an interview.

Also, everything he said were things that he knew to be true. He didn’t know for sure that Huerta was greasing so he can’t say “Huerta was greasing, no doubt about it” all the man can do is explain why the lockups felt different and his basis for that knowledge.

by Day Man on Aug 22, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Guess I shoudl read ALL coments before posting......SORRY :(

by fightfan on Aug 22, 2008 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't give a shit if Florian comes out and accuses Huerta of greasing up

My problem is with him not coming right out and saying it. If it’s a curious speculation, don’t say it publicly, call Dana. If he knows than say you know. That’s my issue. Not that he’s being a baby or something— that he’s being unclear.

by Blackout612 on Aug 22, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's the problem with it

If KenFlo suspected cheating, he should have brought it to the ref’s attention during the fight so it could be checked and verified or rebuffed. At this point, there’s no way to prove it either way, and Huerta is tainted with suspicion and unable to prove his innocence if he didn’t do it.

by thetakeover on Aug 23, 2008 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs