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Tito Ortiz: The Barry Bonds of MMA?

Steve Cofield makes the argument:

Barry Bonds is desperate to get back on the baseball field. So much so that his $15-18 million asking price is now down to the major league minimum. His agent Jeff Borris told Ryen Russillo of ESPNRadio that Bonds would play this year for the minimum salary. Borris said, "What other option does he have?"

Is fighter Tito Ortiz going to face a similar fate in the MMA world? This is not to say Ortiz has been involved in a drug scandal like Bonds but the slugger is out of baseball as much for his attitude as the steroid mess. Ortiz may be developing the reputation that he's a guy who is impossible to work with.

Cofield also brings up recent remarks by Affliction COO Michael D. Cohen about Tito's asking price being "more than ANY league could afford." 

Tito has clearly wildly over-estimated his current market value. I expect the UFC will re-sign a sadder but wiser Tito when it's all said and done.

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Has there been any indication of what Tito’s asking for? I’m guessing it would be in the multi-millions per fight, which he probably could have gotten if he hadn’t been tied up with that last fight on his UFC contract and had been able to jump on the Affliction gravy train early.

by Chris Nelson on Aug 20, 2008 12:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I might be wrong but I think he was getting $900,000 under his Zuffa contract ? If he thinks he is worth more then that he is mistaken in my eyes. There is no way a hurting up and coming company like affliction or Elite XC can afford to give him that type of loot but he wants way more then that now. I think it was rumored he was asking for something like a cool 2 million a fight now when he was talking to Elite and Affliction. Come on now Tito lets get real !!!!

by Shocbomb on Aug 20, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The bigger problem...

is that he can’t be put in against many top level fighters without losing anymore. And he is only a loss or two away from being unable to interest casuals…even given his “gift of gab” or whatever. And if he loses the ability to attract people to watch him fight…then he isn’t worth anywhere near the money he wants.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He probably got a number from Randy, 6-10 million per fight. Maybe Tito & Randy should get together and start a company. They both seem to think they have all the answers and all the draw a company can need. I bet Tito would say he’s doing this for the fans as well.

by Tommy7 on Aug 20, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fighters may end up getting

$5million-ish per title fight in the future, but it won’t be the near future, and it won’t be with this collection of promotions.

The UFC is the only organization that can realistically afford those kinds of payouts, and since that’s the case, there’s literally no reason for them to do so. MMA has a long ways to go with things like merchandise tie-ins before the revenue will exist to support the types of paydays boxing has.

Besides, I may be naive, but I think a long-term beauty of our sport is that unlike boxing, we enjoy multiple excellent fights per card. I’m actually disappointed when I only get two or three entertaining fights in MMA, whereas in boxing I’m pleasantly surprised when the main event delivers, and if there’s any value whatsoever on the undercard, I’m thrilled (I still remember Cley Bay vs. Etienne!).

I think that these factors make it almost impossible for promotions/organizations such as Zuffa to rationalize making huge payouts to these guys any time soon. Entertainment isn’t the only value, of course, and we want legitimacy in our ‘titles,’ but ultimately it comes down to why the promotions make their money. You need a few recognizable stars for the casual fans, but I don’t think that means you cut them in for half of the PPV take.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 20, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is why I wrote about Tito Ortiz needing to make the move to HW.

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Aug 20, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The cash cow that was MMA and new start up orgs over paying for names is going to stop real soon. In my opinion the fighters pay scale in the near future is going to go start climbing down or stay at the level it is at now ? It has to there is just no way new up start Orgs and existing organizations can keep paying these fighters what they want with out putting themselfs in the Red.New Organizations will see what over paying for fighters has done to other orgs in the past. I think you are already seeing the market for fighter pay going down now with Tito taking so long to get signed and Affliction cutting back on fighters and pay for there second card. Even the UFC uses there take it or leave it stance alot more lately when it comes to contract talks.

by Shocbomb on Aug 20, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Cuban should buy EliteXC

and give them $50mil capital infusion. That’s about the only way I can see that there will be a free market dynamic in MMA near-term. UFC just owns the whole thing right now.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 20, 2008 1:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Cuban was smart enough to say “no” at hello.

by mmalogic on Aug 20, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Cuban doesn’t like MMA that much.

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Aug 20, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget about Cuban. He can’t figure out what he wants to do with his money. He has already moved on and is trying to start up a new football league. He is a spoiled rcih guy with too many toys. MMA doesn’t need that.

by MusicCityBeatdown on Aug 20, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed about Cuban,

my point wasn’t that I actually thought he’d be interested. It’s just there aren’t any other paths for an organization to compete with the UFC for MMA dominance at this time. Someone with really deep pockets has to come in and dedicate a significant portion of their value towards making MMA mainstream, while simultaneously taking on the biggest kid on the block.

My point was semi-sarcastic in my previous post. There’s just no way anyone can compete with the UFC today.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 20, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol the Bonds/Ortiz comparison is pretty retarded. I think maybe Cofield got absorbed by the UFC spin machine.

Regardless of who he ends up with, Ortiz will still be making more than 99 percent of his peers because he is still a bigger draw than them.

by smoogy on Aug 20, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly, as most people have stated, UFC is the best place for Tito. And i think the UFC could really promote the bad blood between Dana and Tito.

I also like the thought of Tito at HW, in any promotion.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 20, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About the bad blood...

Are you serious!? Did you not watch the 2 hour episode on Spike TV where Tito and Dana were supposed to box for 3, 3 minute rounds?? The episode where Tito totally bitched out? And the weigh-ins at the Rashad Evans fight, where Tito wore a shirt stating DANA IS MY BITCH??

After the Evans, fight which came to a draw, he stated, “if you aint cheatin, you aint trying”…..(about his point deduction over grabbing the fence to avoid a slam)

I’m SO over Tito Ortiz, and Dana White said in the Spike TV special, “I’m out of the Tito Ortiz business…”

Dana wont go back on his word, he wont pay him the outrageousness that Tito wants and even the NSAC wont sanction another fight because Tito did not show.

On a final note, the UFC has always been about MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. In MMA there is always bad blood and it does make it interesting. However, the bottom line is the Muay Thai, Boxing, Kick Boxing, Wrestling, Jui Jitsui and how each individual fighter puts it all together; not about the trash talking.

by Annie83 on Aug 21, 2008 8:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much does Jena pay him?

by Eugene Schelfaut on Aug 20, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you know that her ClubJenna website

made like $15mil/year profit during its peak?

Say what you want about her, she’s as shrewd a businessperson as you’ll ever see.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 20, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean, the whole cast?

That was awfully patriotic of her…assuming she’s Greek, that is.

She was pretty much the centralizing figure for porn in the nineties, and she was able reap the rewards before the industry decentralized due to the internet. She’s mouthy, and really annoying, and good God what happened to her face? But she’s really savvy and if she/her team are advising Tito, I’d guess they’ve got a good plan in place.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since Tito says he is doing this for all the other fighters why doesnt he fight on the cheap for elite xc or affliction?

The only way any org can challenge the UFC is if the fighters forgo pay to make it happen….

Oh wait they want respect… ah thats right.

by mmalogic on Aug 20, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is funny to see that play out time and again

in any labor vs. management dispute. I’m an RN, and freakin’ nurse’s unions are absolutely horrible about this. I’ve never joined any unions, and I refuse to pay dues simply because all this garbage is two-faced.

You either want the industry to thrive, in which case you take it in the shorts, or you want to line your own pockets, in which case you bend management over as far as you can. A guy like Tito actually COULD do quite well for himself if he did one of those heavily-publicized “$1 contract” gimmicks. Make it $1/fight guaranteed, and pile on the royalties..heck, make it $5/ppv buy or something similar, whatever it takes.

Now THAT would be good for the sport, and for Tito. The personal publicity ALONE would be worth the ‘pay-cut.’

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 20, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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