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Why WAMMA Won't Work

"Big" John McCarthy explains:

First, if a titleholder from the UFC fights either in the UFC or in another promotion and loses to a fighter not under contract to the UFC, then the UFC just devalued itself and its championship belt. They will not have control of the person who is now considered the top fighter in the world and their belt will be viewed by many people as just another promotional belt instead of the belt that signifies the best fighter in the world at that weight class. People will realize that maybe not all of the greatest fighters in the world fight for the UFC, but that there are other promotions out there that have very good fighters who can fight as good or better than the more popular fighters under contract to Zuffa.

None of this helps the UFC so you can see why they will not be jumping on the WAMMA bandwagon. I can't blame Zuffa at all for looking at this the way it does. They have worked very hard to get where they are. They have their matchmaker in Joe Silva who sets up the matches that Dana White, the president of the UFC, wants to promote. They are a very successful self-contained promotion that has no outside influences telling them what to do. Why would they want to let someone in that can now influence their promotion in anyway?

This is the problem that confronts Dave Szade and Michael Lynch, the chief executive officer and chief operating officer, respectively, of WAMMA. They have a pretty good idea, and I want to see the best fighters in the world fighting each other no matter what promotion they are signed to. Politics and money have a huge influence over all of the combative sports and since that is not going to change, it is going to take a "hell freezing over" moment or a shift in the political power of the sport before you see the UFC and WAMMA working together.

McCarthy is actually describing why the UFC won't join WAMMA, but the truth is there need to be rivals to the UFC or at least moderate competitors of a lesser scale who are willing to work together for WAMMA to gain any traction. That, it seems, is not so easy to pull off. Entities that have tried to go head to head with the UFC are new, suffering or dead (BodogFIGHT, IFL, the Pro Elite federation; too early to tell with Affliction). But the other point of note is that if any rival to the UFC was able to gain some momentum, their incentives to join and work with WAMMA would be begin to resemble the UFCs as aforementioned. WAMMA won't admit that this is their aim, but they are trying to realign the power positioning of the MMA landscape for rival organizations in a quest for legitimacy. They will reply that WAMMA wants to work with the UFC, but WAMMA aim's are antithetical to much of what the UFC is trying to accomplish. The UFC knows they don't have a monopoly on talent and the MMA fans and general public are unaware of many talented competitors in other promotions. To legitimize WAMMA is to legitimize the UFC's competition in a way co-promotion could only hope to do.

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IT'S OVER BOYS !!!

Sure the UFC is the biggest org that Wamma needs to make it legit but even other orgs like Dreams and WVR are not on board with Wamma eather. I don’t see any orgs in Japan ever coming on board eather. I actually hope Wamma does fail because I don’t want MMA to end up like Boxing.What stops another group coming in saying there belt is the best. It will be like boxing where you have about 6 belts after awhile all claming they have the #1 fighter all saying they are the best. Also any thing that Bill Goldberg is a part of is a joke when it comes to MAA LOL Like Bill Goldberg loves to say – WAMMA IT’S OVER BOYS !!!!!

by Shocbomb on Aug 18, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So… let me get this straight.

Wamma thinks it’s the solution to crowning the best in each weight class…

OK so just for arguments sake lets say it does become main stream – which it wont – but lets just say their goal is achieved.

Who’s to say another entity wouldnt be set up with their own ranking system and their belt?

ever heard of the wba, wbc, etc… in boxing?

You see what I am saying… Wamma is a ruse and a farce.

by mmalogic on Aug 18, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Their answer to “what stops someone from setting up their own…” question is that since they were around first people should look at them as the only “true” sanctioning body. Which is weak at best.

I’ve said this so many times but it is worth saying again. There is no danger of MMA becoming “like boxing” in that the power structure is entirely different. The promotion based model of MMA rests the power with the organizations…not with these independent sanctioning bodies. And there is no way we’re going to see that relinquished any time soon.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 18, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I largely agree. The UFC and WEC seem to me to be set up more like team sports are in America with the organization being bigger than any singular fighter. The fighters aren’t built up over years with records inflated by fighting lower caliber opponents. The Zuffa cards aren’t top heavy as Luke likes to point out. There are main events, but the other main card fights contain top fighters. Like the NFL, NASCAR, the NBA, and MLB, Zuffa has storylines with a number of players. I think opening MMA to co-promotion and rulings by super-organizational bodies will introduce gridlock which will lead to a pissed off fan base. One organization with control over its stable of fighters is able to make most fights happen within their realm of control. How would you like to have to negotiate every single title bout with Fedor and his crew?

WAMMA is not a factor, and probably won’t become a factor, in my opinion.

by Cannon Jacques on Aug 18, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

some of these business models you have to just look at and say “you’re dead at hello”

by mmalogic on Aug 18, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

imo, all WAMMA does, is reinforce how much UFC controls the sport.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 18, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that is right at all...

I mean…how can you say that they’re not relevant and aren’t important compared to the current landscape of the sport. All they need are the promotions that matter to take them seriously so that they aren’t such a huge waste of…oh…nevermind

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wamma just re-did their rankings too.

by Nick Thomas on Aug 18, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How does Robbie Lawler or Werdum move down? That’s strange.

by Tonley on Aug 18, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only does Lawler win a fight and move down, but Dan Henderson moves up despite not fighting.

by Lynchman on Aug 18, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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