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Will ProElite Survive?

Fronted by Chris Nelson

Speculation regarding ProElite's future has definitely increased following the cancellations of their September 20 EliteXC card and a Cage Rage Contenders event in the UK. Couple these with a sudden ballooning of the company's stock price and some interesting news regarding financing in their latest SEC filing, and you have an atmosphere favorable to conjecture. Sam Caplan attempts to cut through the fog in a recent article:

So for now, EliteXC is not in danger of suddenly going out of business. According to their SEC filings, it appears they have enough capital on hand to get them through the year. Will they be able to go out and land major free agents such as Tito Ortiz? Most certainly not. Can they afford Frank Shamrock’s six-figure guarantee and book him for a show? I have my doubts. No matter how you want to spin it, the promotion is underfunded, as it came well short of its goals for executing a raise. The $3 million it did raise several months ago is believed to be nothing more than a loan from corporate partner SHOWTIME. The fact that the company was not able to attract new major outside investors following the strong numbers that its May 31 show did on CBS is a major cause for concern.

The word is that the $3 million which ProElite is currently seeking is once again coming from CBS/Showtime. That should get them through the October 4 event; what happens after that is unclear. Much of the organization's future is dependent upon the success on the next CBS event. Caplan elaborates:

We already know the Oct. 4 show will have a stronger lineup from a marquee name standpoint than 7/26 but will it be enough? May 31 got a great number because all of the planets were aligned perfectly. There wasn’t much competition for the 18-34 demographic and they had months to promote the show to a targeted demographic during events such as the NCAA tournament. But you know the UFC will counter-program the Oct. 4 show again and EliteXC could be going up against both college football and the Major League Baseball playoffs that night. Also, how much promotional resources can CBS devote to “Saturday Night Fights” in August and September when it has to promote its new fall lineup?

There’s also the curiosity element to factor in. A lot of people tuned in on May 31 just to see what all the buzz about MMA was and exactly who this Kimbo Slice guy was. A lot of new fans were created while a lot of people will never tune in again. The first telecast of mixed martial arts in prime-time network television history was a big marketing hook that can never be used again.

If the Oct. 4 show does not hit it out of the park in all facets then CBS will not be the corporate savior some expect them to be. And without their support, I do not see how ProElite can survive. If EliteXC folds, I don’t think that will be good for fighters or the fans (competition brings the best out of everyone) but this is how I see things breaking down. If something doesn’t change and change soon, we could be living in a UFC-only world by next summer. Having four major national promotions compete for the same nut might not be the best thing for the growth of the sport. However, I am not sure having one major national promotion is good for the sport either.

Caplan shares some of my own concerns about EliteXC's ability to replicate the promotion's ratings success in May. There is going to be more competition this time, namely college football. Football season will be in high gear by October, and college football will, no doubt, be airing during the EliteXC event. When you're talking about appealing to casual fans, you have to assume that many of these same people are also football fans. Everyone knows the kind of hold football has on the American sports scene.

We also don't know how big of a factor curiosity played in the May event's ratings.  Those ratings certainly didn't translate into big numbers for the July event. Granted, the July show wasn't executed very well from a marketing standpoint. It would have still been better to have achieved more carryover from May. Then, there is an excellent chance that Dana White and company will continue to play to counter-programming game. The strategy has been successful, thus far. Why stop?

I don't share Caplan's concern about UFC domination, however. I can't predict the future, so I can't very well predict what the MMA landscape will look like if ProElite does go out of business. What I do know is that ProElite's potential demise doesn't necessarily mean the end of competition in the MMA business. ProElite isn't exactly a well oiled machine. A better, more streamlined company may succeed them. A company that starts small and is more concerned with developing young talent would be a more surefire recipe for success, in my estimation, than the ProElite or Affliction models. For the time being, ProElite isn't dead, but their survival is directly related to what happens on October 4, 2008.

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I appreciate you guys giving me a chance to express my opinions. BE is the best MMA site around, by far.

by Cannon Jacques on Aug 17, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice Summary Canon J

by LiuLang on Aug 17, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes BE is the most sophisticated there is in the MMA world… in terms of analysis and discussion.

The second show also will be affected by a backlash resulting from the first show and I’m not talking about the fans…

Im talking about the main stream media.

They took alot of heat for showcasing what turned out to be a journeyman (front cover of si, espn time, etc…) and it showed with the love they showed to the july show.

You can’t burn your bridges in the media as this isnt the wwe.

They missed a big opportunity riding the “first time on primetime” novelty with making it about slice.

short term gain, long term pain.

as for proelites survival they have less than a 5% chance…

Everyone keeps saying… well the UFC wasnt successful until they lost 40m -

Yeah but I doubt the ufc had 12m plus in executive payroll…

by mmalogic on Aug 17, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quote from the ProElite Request for late filing.

"Even if the Company successfully closes on such financing, it expects to report

in its Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q that its capital resources are sufficient

only until the end of the year, and only if the Company makes significant

reductions in operations and expenditures. The Company is also actively seeking

additional financing beyond the $3.0 million to enable the Company to execute

its operating plans without significant reductions in operations, but there is

no assurance as to whether any such financing will be available on reasonable

terms or at all."

by Brian@CageSideLive on Aug 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Usually when the guys that started the company leave that means they’ve milked the teet dry…

by mmalogic on Aug 17, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m very pessimistic about their chances to survive, which sucks because I tend to enjoy almost all of their shows. I think the more interesting thing now will be where the talent disperses to in 2009 when this thing likely comes to an end. The UFC will be interested in Slice, Shields, Lawler, Silva, Rogers, Noons, and Diaz. Slice and Shields are probably the two they’d make the most effort to get, Dana will want to kill Slice off and get a million buys from a fight with Chuck.

The importance of the Oct. 4 show can’t be overstated, which is again why I think it’s dumb not to try to do the bigger Carano match. I think the idea of PPV in 2009 just seems ridiculous right now.

by Michael Rome on Aug 17, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s like rearranging the chairs on the titanic…

Right now everybody is looking to pillage whatever is left.

The trajectory of the company didn’t change from 6 months ago… there still going out of business.

the only thing that has changed are more people actually seeing the futility of the situation.

With a flawed strategy changing tactics is meaningless. Larking realized this at the end of his tenure.

Whoever left at proelite that’s still sincere is probably looking for the october 4th show to be successful enough to get them the resources needed for a ppv.

And this PPV is the “HEX” in their lifespan… let’s see if they can actually do it before they die.

There is a number “23” in mma and it usually looks like this:

sign a tv deal with fsn, make a “hex” type of announcement, cancel shows, vehemently deny any trouble and paint a new a brighter future then sell desk chairs and computers on craigs list.

Pride went through this stage, then ifl, and now proelite.

by mmalogic on Aug 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Besides spending way beyond their means, the most disturbing part of this story, in my opinion, is EliteXC’s inability to capitalize on their first CBS show. They had a unique opportunity in being the first live MMA event on network TV. Shaw put too much emphasis on Kimbo instead of using his popularity to introduce casual fans to more established fighters. I’m not sure how the overly cautious reffing affected the casual fans, but most around here weren’t thrilled with it. I’m not saying that EXC was responsible for the stoppages, but the perception is there. Then, they go and do a pretty good show in July that they don’t market. It was a popular failure. While the first event looked to be on steroids, the July show looked to be depleted of energy.

I feel like they had a chance, but they didn’t capitalize. The odds have to be pretty slim that ProElite as we know it continues much past Oct. 4.

by Cannon Jacques on Aug 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ProElite as it is/was could never have survived. I think you’ll see shows that are not making money go by the wayside (prime example: Cage Rage), a guy like Trebilcock will probably be allowed to promote again, perhaps even under his old KOTC banner (or he’ll simply continue to run GC as the alternative to it), and the roster will be knocked down to a much more manageable level of athletes while becoming more or less the property of the TV networks they run. The only way that doesn’t happen is if people don’t tune in to see Kimbo Slice again, and I kinda doubt that happening.

by D.Capitated on Aug 18, 2008 10:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there much question, that CBS will end up owning EXC? What becomes of it at that point should be interesting.

Nice write up!

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 18, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For what it’s worth, my opinion is that not much becomes of it unless they do phenomenal ratings on Oct. 4. I can’t see that CBS would want anything to do with a struggling MMA promotion that can’t pull significant numbers in the 18-34 male demographic. I guess whatever is valuable would be sold off, and the fighters would disperse. I don’t think ProElite has positive cash flow on its own. Without financing from CBS, they’d probably be done.

by Cannon Jacques on Aug 18, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed. I was thinking along the lines of CBS ends up owning it and then shuts it down or sells it of to some bigger mma promotion like…

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 18, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even if it is successful, it would be stupid at this point to continue spending money at the same rate or to continue operating so many organizations. If it comes at or close to the prior ratings (and its hilarious to hear people who talk about Brock Lesnar being a draw but that Kimbo was "exposed"), CBS will want aspects of it to continue onward. There may only be 20-30 fighters under contract at most, and perhaps less than that. Afterall, anyone else will be interchangable.

by D.Capitated on Aug 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree that it’s ridiculous to run ProElite as it has been run. I don’t think they’ll have a choice, they just don’t look to have much of anything going revenue wise. They’ll certainly need to slim down if they remain a going concern. I don’t think CBS is going to put much more into the business unless they get pretty good results Oct. 4. I just don’t see CBS carrying on with a shell MMA promotion. You can put Gina and Kimbo on there several times a year, but people are eventually going to get tired of that. It won’t be good if one or both of them loses, either. I just don’t believe a female fighter and an unproven fighter will be enough to keep viewers interested in the product. I’m not optimistic that the upcoming event will get the ratings it needs given the competition in the fall. The way they threw together the July show doesn’t give me much confidence in their ability and/or will to make EXC on CBS successful.

by Cannon Jacques on Aug 18, 2008 9:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not hard at all to think what will happen if its not bringing in ratings or a profit they will eather sell it back to showtime to just to showtime shows or if they can’t sell it just kill it off !!! They should be able to sell it though to the UFC or back to showtime If no one is interested in buying the whole org as one unit they will auction off the fighter contracts that carry over to another org. And if that was the case other orgs could bid on fighters contracts. Kind of like the old pride contrats that did not carry over to Zuffa.

by Shocbomb on Aug 18, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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